F1 vs Super Formula - How Do They Compare?
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- Formula One and Super Formula are two of the world’s fastest single seater racing championships. Super Formula is Japan’s top tier series whereas F1 is an international series governed by the FIA.
Watch this video for an in-depth comparison of both series!
Timestamps:
Intro - 00:00
Cars - 00:20
Parts Usage - 02:50
Overtaking Aids - 03:13
Circuits - 03:58
Race Weekend - 04:41
Tyres & Pitstops - 05:54
Championship & Points - 06:53
Teams - 08:15
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#F1 #SuperFormula - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I love Super Formula and can barley find videos on it. Thank You🙏
Check The Race channel. They are broadcasting it.
You can watch races on CZcams or red bull tv which is free as well
Red Bull TV has all of the broadcasts this season.
The Race has broadcasting rights to Super Formula and Super GT...bro u missed a lot this season....
Please do check out the race for super formula and super gt next season!
I wish Super Formula was a more global series. I understand that what F2 is for but Super Formula just seems to be a step up from that.
I was dreaming of that too, would better if it was a global race series
For me of you want that just follow f1, I like it being only in Japan, but they would have to change the name to like Formula Japan
@@VehicleValhalla Would also increase costs massively
sandman1347 That is a good point. It could then have a knock on effect on the teams willing to/able to participate, potentially reducing the level of competitiveness. On the other hand going global could increase interest from new teams. However, not sure how it would work with the similarity to F2. Interesting to think about!
How can it be a step up when F2 is 5 seconds a lap quicker than Super Formula at COTA?
Pierre Gasly and Michael Schumacher were pretty good at Super Formula in Japan before F1!
Yeah he did well - 2nd in the standings!
Vandoorne, too!
@Carl Johnson he only joined 1 Race Actually, while his brother ralf did a full season in Formula Nippon
@Luis Fernando Lopez czcams.com/video/DP2RE9SyhnM/video.html
@Luis Fernando Lopez Mick
“Drivers must pit at least 1 time during the race”
*Lance stroll has entered the chat*
Well technically he pitted during the red flag lol
Dicekey he didn’t deserve the podium
They dont have to pit, the rules just say they have to use 2 different tyres compound, not that they have to pit.
Learned it on one podcast this thurday when they talked about Stroll.
@@matthewmyatt2625 it was within the rules so it was deserved. They lucked in and got the reward for running the risk to not pit when everyone else did.
It's not really so different to a team holding out to pit later in case there's a safety car and taking advantage of that.
It's a bit naff yes, but you can't say it isn't deserved when it's totally within the rules, and that any of the other teams were open to do exactly the same thing in exactly the same way. They just chose to pit when they did.
If all the teams had done it, or if the red flag came before the pit stops happened and everyone changed tyres, is it still unfair?
They just got super lucky with the timing of the red flag, simple as that really.
PhoeniX-J-five that rule shouldn't exist though
Is kimi allowed his drink in super formula?
Unfortunately no
Super formula shouldn't be used as a junior series of F1. It should target to become Japan's Indy Car.
It isn't lol. Its full of pro drivers
Super formula is much more competitive than indycar imo. Chock full of insanely talented drivers.
@@blitz_mg5950 true
lolno
@@blitz_mg5950 Wrong.
Wow Super Formula sounds so interesting, because everyone has same chassis and tyres, so it's basically all about driver's skills!! 🙏
What if u care about exclusive car designs
Lucasart328 You can watch more than once racing series and appreciate both. I certainly love both F1 and Super Formula for different reasons
Same scheme in F3, F2, and pretty much every formula except for F1. Thats what make F1 unique.
But then again, the FiA doesn’t have F2 or GP2 series for decorations
SF is sometimes even more exciting than F1 these days and I enjoy so much watching SF races with great drivers including former/future F1 drivers.
I had no idea this series existed! Thanks for the info!
know a lot about f1 but not much about super formula! nice video man am really enjoying it! would be cool to see super formula vs indycar
Thanks mate! I will definitely add that to my list of future video ideas
@@VehicleValhalla Hey! I'm going to reply here since this thread mentions other racing series. I made an analysis on how fast each racing class is in comparison to each other and to F1 over on Reddit and would love to see that in a video form on CZcams. I don't/I can't make videos but I'd offer to you that data of lap times I've compiled and am compiling for this 2020 season to use in future videos like the IndyCar one. Message me on Reddit if you're interested, I'd be glad to put my analysis to a wider audience ;)
this is one of the posts: www.reddit.com/r/motorsports/comments/gr3rbo/how_lap_times_in_different_motorsports_compare_to/?context=3, I made several other with historic racing classes (prototypes and GT cars, currently I'm working on open-wheelers). I hope you're interested.
I like the way the quality of your content keeps improving, nice editing and good use of statistics and explaining them in a simple way for absolute dummies like me
😊
I didn't even know that refueling is no longer allowed in F1. Last time I watched, Schumi was still driving. The cars then roar so loud and the beauty of the sound when they passed by and scoring was awarded to the top 6 if i'm not mistaken...and it was Bridgestone vs Goodyear.
That’s quite some time ago now! With a wave of talented young drivers coming through and new regulations (2022) that should in theory allow for closer racing, I would definitely recommend watching F1 again :)
"The 4 manufacturers' power units are a lot more closely matched"
**Laughs in Ferrari**
Ferrari Masterplan confirmed
Is this an insult or applause?
And now laughs in Honda pulling out
@@GrEeCe_MnKy I think it's a reference on how bad the Ferrari engine is this year.
I thought I knew the comparisons but I learned loads in this vid! Thanks dude awesome vid!
Thanks man 🙏
This was such a great video, I’ve always wanted to know more about super formula! Thanks so much 🙌🏼
Love the videos mate 🙌🏽🙌🏽
yooo the timestamp things are so useful
Great stuff as always bud! Informative and well compared as always! Let's get you to that 2k mark 😊
Thanks for the support man! Shouldn’t be too long before you get to 1K too!
Also kept in suspense as to who the Mike’s sofa account is 😂
@@VehicleValhalla I know its the real burning question 😂
This was a proper education for me - loved it!
I had no clue what Super Formula was until I watched this video. So many interesting facts outlining the similarities and differences. Fantastic video man. 👏
Thanks - glad you found the video useful 😊
You can watch the complete 2019 season on you tube at the channel called THE RACE.
I think you will like it
Just watched the super formula finale at fuji yesterday. Real good stuff, very close racing.
Great video!
Thanks!
Great video, a comparison of F1 and Indycar would be cool.
Thanks! the script for that video has already begun!
F1 has a period of 4 hours where they can plan a max 2 hour race, is that the same for super formule??
0:43 Where did you find information about Nm?
Awesome video, I seen a post on Reddit about the pace of all Motorsport and SuperFormula is just amazing and so overlooked. Second quickest cars in all forms of motorsport, even above LMP1 cars and IndyCars. They should be tied with Indycar in terms of qualification for the Super License. IndyCar makes sense to be so high because even though according to that reddit post they are roughly 12-13% slower than F1 the math was taken from Indycar at COTA on a damp quali, they still are quicker just slightly over F2 and LMP1 cars. IndyCar aslo races on all forms of tracks, from circuits like COTA, To Superspeedways like Indy where they fly around 235mph(380kmh), then do street circuits like Long Beach or St. Pete, and then also do short 1 mile oval races too. They race everywhere and the car is insanley fast and a handful. But I feel strongly that SuperFormula should offer similar or even the same qualifactions as Indy.
Thanks! And yeah I agree with you: Super Formula should definitely receive more super licence points - it’s such a high level of competition!
@@VehicleValhalla The way I see it is that SF offers less points due to the season being so short. If they were to expand the series to more races per season I could see a reason to increase the SL points given, but with only 7-8 races a season it's just not enough experience to earn a full SL from, not to mention not as much of what can be learned in SF is directly translatable to F1 as it is in F2 where they race on the same circuits with the same tire manufacturer. Great video by the way 👍
Yeah that explains it well. Another reason could also be the FIA wanting to promote FIA sanctioned series, as is visible with the decline in Formula Renault on the feeder series ladder. Thanks for watching :)
This is the 1st I've ever heard about Super Formula but it won't be the last.😁
Just saw some of the 2020 race. Full length videos and fast cars. I’ll take it!
Super Formula or Formula Nippon as it was known before was founded in 1996. By that time Michael was already a 2 time world champion. The one driving and indeed winning was his younger brother Ralf in 1996.
Yes, Michael didn't race in Formula Nippon. But he *did* race in Japanese Formula 3000.
What is the song / music in the intro and outro? or at least the artist?
czcams.com/video/eP0sM3LF02A/video.html
"F1 is faster"
ferrari: hold my shitbox
I think Super Formula has the potential to become much bigger- perhaps an asian regional F2 kind of series. I'd like to see it expand beyond Japan, though not necessarily global.
Yeah that’s definitely a popular perspective and would be interesting to see! In my experience, opinion seems to be split 50/50, with some wanting the series to expand to perhaps to all of Asia, while others like the charm of just racing on local Japanese circuits!
Can you compare Super GT, GT350, GT500, and DTM?
That would make a great video - I will add that to my ideas list and should make it soon.
In the meantime you can check out my other series comparison:
Formula 1 vs Formula E:
czcams.com/video/M7NUDLPpYYU/video.html
Did the season start yet or is it still on hold due to the pandemic?
The season finally started almost 2 weeks ago with the revised calendar due to the pandemic. 2 weeks until the next race too :)
@@VehicleValhalla thank you :)
Do F1 vs LMP1!
Added to the list!
you should add the rear floor height. Motegi race last Sunday saw some car get stuck in grass and sand, rear tyre only digging deeper... It is very clear the height is lower than F1 cars, which F1 almost like the car pointed downward to the front. Super Formula is so flat. Other than that, those Super Formula rear wing are like rear bumper in a sedan car. While Formula 1 rear wing looks like attached to rear wheel, giving more clearance when they got into sand.
Have seen some races and it was fun for sure. F1 is what it is but for more racing there are many racing series that can provide more fun and challenge (too). F1/Nascar/WEC fan.
All I know about Nascar is those bitches drive in a circle/oval. Doesn't seem challenging to me
@@DaysofKnight Is not the track but the way they drive.
Great video - loadsss of stuff I didn't know about and given how low the Super Formula series is graded in the FIA ladder, surely the drivers don't get paid? Or do they get paid because it's the top tier of Japanese single-seaters?
To be honest I'm not quite sure! Looking at the variety of drivers and the status of the series both in Japan and internationally, I would take a guess and say that it's a bit of both as it can be in F1 with "pay drivers". For example, perhaps top tier established drivers such as Kobayashi would get paid, whereas drivers who are still on their journey up to F1, such as Vips would have to pay to enter, either out of their own pocket, or funded by sponsors/junior programmes. Thanks for stopping by :)
Vehicle Valhalla ahhh man I’ve been scouring forums trying to find out (because I’m actually a racer myself and I really wanted to know for my own sake haha) but I know that regardless, it would be an ABSOLUTE privilege to even spend a test session let alone an entire season or career in one of these! Thanks for the info though I really appreciate it 😁 and I’ll deffo stop by again for another informative vid like this!
_rodc11o_ Yeah mate I can’t even imagine how surreal the experience would be to drive one of these cars! What series do you race in?
Thanks again and good luck with your racing career!
Vehicle Valhalla I’ve had a long break out cos of education and not having enough money, but I plan to re-start with F1000 in a year or 2 - I appreciate the support though! Thank you 😄
Vehicle Valhalla I’ve just found out (after watching Round 1 at Twin Ring Motegi for this season) that Super Formula is indeed a paid-driver series 🙌🏽 it’s because it’s an independent series like IndyCar but it also comes with FIA perks like Super-Licence points 🥳
Super Formula is such a better watch considering it's effectively a spec race with that much talent behind the wheels; if you like racing you owe it to yourself to watch a couple races at least
I just hope that super formula series can expand even more,if they can't expand globally that's fine but i mean they can do just like Indycar, held street circuit, bring back tracks that they have been race before or at least more race on the same circuit
Liam Lawson, who will be competing in Super Formula this year, suffered a neck injury from the force of G-forces during a test run.
His cornering speed is such that even he, a top-level F2 driver until last year, suffers.
These are things that can only be done with a lightweight car.
What about driver salaries? IIRC Super Formula drivers get paid (except pay drivers)
complex aero on f1 is an understatement word
The ots aka mario kart system
Love it!!!!
There seems to be a conflict of intetest between FIA and their margins with the regulation of their series and not giving proper SL points to drivers competing in SF. It seems that they are nerfing people from getting SL points there and forcing them to go To F3 and F2.
Yeah it definitely seems to be one of the factors. Also visible with Formula Renault series receiving fewer SL points.
A good point mentioned by another viewer was that the lower SL points allocation for SF could partially be due to the fact that there are significantly fewer races. Looking at pre-covid in 2019, SF had a 7 race reason whereas F2 had 12 rounds with 24 races!
I’m surprised that the series only has 7 races, and only one race per meet weekend. Surely 2 to 3 races per weekend would make more sense? Perhaps if they made it slightly more international - say with race weekends in Australia, China, India and/or Indonesia for example would see the series elevated to the same super licence points allocations as F2 and Indycar. As an Australian, I’d like to see this formula used as our premier open wheeler category, with a few races doubling up on the international super formula championship.
Highly unlikely to leave Japan for couple reasons. As said in the video, the team budgets are likely to be in the range of only a few million dollars, given that they run a single chassis and engine choice, so its very accessible as a series for smaller local companies like Mugen and Tom's etc to run teams. Also, since most those companies are domestic market, they are really only concerned about exposure and marketing to Japanese consumers rather than international ones. So with small team budgets and backed by local companies, there's little to justify the large increase in logistics cost going international outside their consumer market and having to compete then with F1/2/3 for popularity. Its comfortable where it sits in its niche.
Of course, this means nothing to the drivers. It is a fantastic open wheel series, and drivers coming into it don't have to worry about landing on a team that can't afford to be competitive, since all the cars are identical. This means it's all about the driver which is why it attracts so much talent. Thats really the main attraction versus the intentional roster of iconic courses like F1 has.
Very well summarised, Michael!
@@RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts I ‘get’ all those points, but for starters, Australia has really struggled to have a premier open wheeler category for over 40 years. Super Formula would seem to be an ideal solution.
Secondly, an Asian Pacific series - incorporating a couple of the Japanese rounds and Australian rounds but adding some stand alone races in Macau, NZ and mainland China for example would be great.
Even if most - or all - the Japanese Super Formula teams chose not to race internationally, that doesn’t mean that the formula itself would not have more universal application. Especially given the budget caps to keep costs down, yet still allow top class open wheeler racing in 600bhp+ cars. In fact, one could make an argument for Super-formula to replace the cars in GP2 s well.
Lastly, the budget caps do not explain why racing is restricted to one race per round. In that regard Super Formula could take a lead out of GP2 racing.
Is there a video comparing f2 to super formula.
Don’t think there’s one that compares them line this. Although I have put F2 vs SF on my future videos list so stay tuned!
Super formula should be the top open wheel national racing series across the world .. Indy car should be a international championship across the world ..
Michael Schumacher has never raced in Super Formula/Formula Nippon/Japanese F3000. That was actually his brother Ralf who had been doing it
I'm an F1 fan but now I know a bit more about Super Formula, I shall be giving it a look in
Great to hear!
You can watch Super Formula on CZcams as well (and for free!) with English commentary.
Check out the channel "THE RACE".
You can watch races on CZcams or by using red bull tv
Motorsport tv for free. I've already seen the 1st race of 2020.
The SuperFormula points reward seems more appropriate
Fun fact in F1 most of the time the wet weather tyre is used to run behind the safety car until the track is far beyond its actual need.
Recently they've been a bit better but over the last decade those wets are basically safety car tyres.
I enjoyed your comparison but you got one thing wrong that I noticed. Formula 1 does not need to pit stop if they start on wet weather tires (intermediates or full wet) just FYI. Take care, -Eric 🏁
What about Formula Open?
who would win: Ferrari or a Super Formula?
Does Super Formula have power steering?
Yes, Electric Assist
So it's basically Japanese flavored indycar? Sound like fun!
No
S-Formula engines are a lot closer to 700bhp these days.
There are no 'official' numbers. The 2.0t engines are shared with SuperGT GT500 class. With fuel flow restrictions in GT500, it's often said they're about 650bhp currently.
The fuel restrictions are generally harder in SuperGT, nobody knows for sure what they are in Super Formula.
But it's not a coincidence that Nissan is an engine supplier in GT500, while even the historically Nissan teams in S-Formula have dropped them as a supplier.
In other words, the BoP in GT500 is keeping Nissan relevant, and the restrictions are less in Super Formula.
There is an engine limit on the season in S-F, and a grid penalty applied to the next race.
Happened twice last year.
Wow. It's criminalize how few super license points they get. The series is generally on par with Indy....currently id say ahead of it.
I wouldnt really compare to F1, which clearly has better machines and drivers. The pinnacle of motorsport.
Except mayve as entertainment, and where F1 could improve to have more interesting competition.
Sounds like a very good series.
It definitely is! Although with the new single tyre compound rule the season opener 2 weeks ago was quite a snooze fest if I’m honest
I would think that Super Formula drivers get less super license points since their season is only 7 races. They drive a high performance machine against tough competition, but have a shorter schedule
That’s actually a very good point - didn’t think of it when making the video! It takes a lot more skill to sustain a high level for a much longer calendar e.g F2. Also, the FIA has a history of favouring their own series that they want to promote when it comes to super licence points. For example, they gave Formula Renault championships far fewer points than the FIA certified equivalents, making them less attractive to potential racers.
Vehicle Valhalla Yeah it definitely makes sense that the FIA would do that to attract more drivers to their series. It’s not fair, it’s just business often times.
Make lmp1 great again, it should be just as fast if not faster than F1, Porsche did it with their unregulated 919 evo, we dont want the new slower hypercar series
With the downforce cut in 2020, super formula probably as Haas car right now. But super formula competition is a lot better than F1, FIA and F1 relly mess up the last regulation
A little correction to the Super Formula tyres.
They have 2 compounds (Soft&Medium) and they must use both compounds in a race.
That’s definitely what it used to be but I believe it has been changed for the 2020 season. Here is a link:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.motorsport.com/super-formula/news/rule-change-reaction-cassidy-kobayashi/4778235/amp/
Still good spot though - nice to see a good attention to detail!
@@VehicleValhalla
Oh ok
My rule knowledge was from the last season except the new point system. But ok who cares about the Mediums when you just used them 1 lap......i would to the same drive 99% on Soft and 1% on Medium
you lost me at four cylinders. its bad enough F1 cars now have only six.
I think there is something to admire about how today's I4 engines can produce power on par with those gas guzzling v8s and above. If you look at the Super GT series, GT500 class cars are all R35, NSX, and Supras, but they swap a turbo I4 that produce over 650 HP, and they lap the GT300 field with their v8s and v6s.
Thomas Chik But if that same engineering was put into a V8 naturally it’ll make more power.
I4 engine aren't bad,k24 can make 1000hp easy, toyota 2l corolla or camry found in formula d corolla hatchback had 1000hp but they tune it to 750hp and the new mustang i4 beats v6 mustang and camaros with a simple tune.
@@spiffytuber7515 they aren't looking for power. They're hsp is set by the rules of each championship. V6s and I4s are near as powerful, lighter, smaller, and useless fuel. Idk why people care abt cylinder count so much
xattuu You missed the point and with the same technology more cylinders= more power but also more weight, simple. It is still impressive a 2.0l 4 cylinder can make 500hp but a 5L V8 from Koenigsegg can make 1600hp. It’s hard to compare but it’s simple more cylinders=more power but more weight
Feeling in F1 is allowed
Super formula vs INDYCAR
Personally I think F1 would benefit from some of the limitations that create a winning spender rather than a winning driver/car. There are enough things in this world dominated by money alone, and knowing the likely outcome of the next F1 race sucks! They can still be the pinnacle of automotive R&D, just more reliant on talent than dollars. Just my humble opinion of course.
Fun fact, last year they had names for all the tire compounds:
Super Hard
Hard
Medium
Soft
Super Soft
Ultra Soft
Edited with an input from channel.
Hyper Soft
3 suppliers here pretty soon!
Unfortunately so :(
You should compare F1 to F1 V10 from the 2000s. Super formula can only be compared to F2 and indycar.
i started to watch super formula the other day but fell asleep. it wasnt the races fault i just take a lot of drugs
Send some plz
You wrong....drivers does NOT have to pit in F!....but it`s nearly impossible not to pit
To pick up the biggest critic point here:
I'm pretty sure the FIA does not give out point for the super license, depending on how good the series is, but on which series they want to promote. The FIA wants F2 to be like a second league for F1, so that basicly only the best drivers from F2 make it into the F1.
Both actually
Power units are equally matched in F1.... *Cries in ferrari*
Hahahaha. How in the short time of writing the script to now things have changed massively
*cries in spaghetti*
Super formula sounds a lot like a smaller INDYCAR but with 4 cylinder engines
I always think that sf(super formula) is smaller, lighter and less powerful, and indy is bulky, powerful and focused on straight speed.
Till now I've never known what super formula was.
Yeah I think it’s a very underrated series that deserves a lot more recognition
Id be interested in watching super formula but found it unwatchable because of the language barrier, if only they had some english commentators or even some english subtitles, that would go a long way.
The CZcams channel ‘The Race’ provides free super Formula races with English commentary :)
@@VehicleValhalla Thanks, i'll have a look.
IMO, comparison between F1 and Super Formula is not appropriate... F2 vs Super Formula would be a better comparison given historical SF lineage which is more aligned to old F2/F3000
You are right in saying that F2 will be a closer match. A lot of people have been requesting a comparison video so that will be uploaded on the channel soon! I made this video comparing with F1 because I thought it would be interesting to show how similar/different they are, as one is an international top tier, while the other is a domestic top tier series
I thought f super it's for grand champion winner like football world cup :(
So super formula is basically indycar in Japan, with no ovals?
Yes
I love Formula one ♥️
On road courses (for me real racing) F1 is the quickest, than Super Formula, than F2 and than IndyCar.
Super formula is sort of f2 not f1
The race can’t be 2 hours long
Megello: ill almost be scraping the surface a little bit
greeaaaaaaaattttttt
I love F1
Ngl for me formula 1 is good and i never here about super formula thx u for tell me
No problem!
Although F1 cars can technically rev to 15,000rpm, they never do because of other regulations like fuel usage and durability.
Yeah, most are limited to ~12,5k RPM
Dicekey barrelly even that
Super formula new spec car has 650hp, the 550 yas the older one. Most people seem to get that wrong on the comparisons.
That’s interesting. Could you point me towards a source on that one so I can leave a pinned comment correcting the issue. On the official Super Formula website it states 550ps and above.
@@VehicleValhalla they downplaying the horsepower on super formula website for safe psychological effects audience.
@@VehicleValhalla Sorry for the late answer.
Gran Turismo Sport added the super formula 2019 car and it rates 640 hp and the push to pass system. Also, seeing the pace of a super formula you can clearly see they have more than 550hp. They have same power as F2 car but more aero thats why the are faster on corners and a little slower on the straights. Also they have a shorter gear ratio for better acceleration. Dont know why they keep putting 550hp on the ir website.
Super fórmula vs f2
Super fórmula vs indycar
Super fórmula vs indy lights
Super fórmula vs hypercars
Super fórmula vs LMPs
Ideas noted for future videos!
Super Formula: F2 Chassis with Class 1 engines "Lets compare it to F1 not F2".
How can people survive with content like this?
Aside from DRS, F1 has an overtake button too
I like f1 more
I never heard of super formula one.(please don’t criticize)
Don’t worry about it mate. Always learning (and that’s what this video is for 😜)
F1 any day
F1.
Super Formula.
All teams have the same chassie, and it not focused on aerodynamics.. well, in my eye´s Super Formula is just another F2 and IndyCar class that is just boring to look at.
the combination of technology, development and driver skills is what´s making F1 the most fun to watch and follow. All other series that use standard cars and rely only on the driver skills and driver battle is boring. i hopped to see something else than a WallMart Formula series then i was looking for Super Formula information.
Super formula is the indycar of Japan.
In several aspects, yes
Who’s here from Gran Turismo?