The Digitakt II has been released and it seems like a nice update, BUT…Elektron keeps making samplers without proper SLICE MODE. Why do they keep doing this? Any idea?
I can see them updating this to have proper slicing, when they are ready to discontinue the octatrack (or upgrade/replace it). The processor of the octa is close to 15 years old, so it’s probably going to be out of production soon. After just how much was added to the original digitakt over the past 7 years, I highly doubt they won’t add true slicing in a future update, along with tons of other features we haven’t even thought of yet.
I'm not buying a product based on what it might do in the future, especially in this age where literally every other machine offers this basic function at all price points. I also own an OT and what you're suggesting is the most piss-poor "reason" for withholding such a basic feature and I would be shocked if that small difference between the two devices is the reason for all this. Ridiculous if true
@@EVILJAMARRTo be clear, I am not advocating what they are doing is right (if that is the case), I’m just saying what is a very real possibility in this scenario. Hope I am wrong, and they introduce proper slicing within the first year or so. As is, the digitakt 2 is a fantastic upgrade to the original with everything that is currently included. I agree that noone should ever buy a product based on what “may” be added in the future.
@@na-dj6ob I think you reall don't understand slicing if you think that moving a slice point would require more processing than a fixed grid. it would be the same. the only overheads would occur at the time when you move the slice point, which would not be more intensive than changing the start or end point (the same process in fact) - which the DT happily handles.
I agree with you on the topic of proper sample slicing capabilities. In my opinion, it's the one feature that's keeping both Digitakt devices from being an elite sampler. They call it a "Drum Computer" in addition to a sampler, which is fine, but chopping up drum breaks is one of the most used aspects of modern sampling machines.
But we have always been able to p-lock the start point which accomplishes basically the same thing. For me at least, that has always been the more fun way to do it.
Its a very different workflow compared to having slices mapped out on keys and playing them…if that's what you are used to p-locking doesn't cut it. Nevertheless…I just ordered the DT2 :D
I feel like they likely will add a "proper" chopping mode. But literally i have never even had the urge to complain about that. You can chop with P locking so easily and its so fast and fun. While I agree with thinking it could be a good feature with detecting 0 point transients and all. I think a lot of folks just dont understand or fully take advantage of the power of this machine. Its honestly insane compared to other samplers even with its limitations. I just want a zoom on the main sample menu to dial in my plocks better
@smallcarrot6970 yep. You can select different start points on every step trigger on the sequencer. Not only that. You can easily automate almost every single parameter on this device on a per step basis. It is so powerful it has pretty much ruined my bar for other samplers. Whenever i see someone complaining it just tells me they aren't using it well or they only like to finger drum, which if you like to do that more just get something else. This box is about the incredible sequencer plus sampling. It might take a little bit more effort, but it is not hard at all.
Proper slice mode isn't even necessary. It would be cool but if you could snap to 0 db/transients when selecting start/end points. You could do some absolutely precise easy P-Locks and would improve the work flow immensely.
To manually slice, just set up a pattern where each step has the start and end locked how you want them, then resample the track. That’s what i’ve always done on digitakt, even on octatrack this is sometime faster than its audio editor
I thought polyphonic play back was the elephant? Midi tracks on the Digitakt 1 can do polyphony, why can't they get Digitakt 2 to play samples back with polyphony?
This was more of a deal breaker for me. I honestly can't believe it. This could have been the ultimate one box. Sample a mono synth in C and now you can play chords. I don't want the workarounds, I just want to play chords or more than one note without it choking out the last. No cross-fade either. I believe it's possible but they don't want to do it. I was surprised they didn't add poly to the Syntakt either. It really baffles me and I'm not seeing enough people being bothered by it tbh. So close to my dream instrument. Maybe a future update, BUT you buy it for what it is not what you hope it could be. Everything else is looking great on the D2, just not quite there for me which is a shame cus I love the workflow. Looks like I'm getting a deluge.
@@eweystewy Not just for the sample track, but even for the MIDI tracks! That's uber stupid to not be able to sequence chords on a MIDI tracks. Like if it would take much processing power.
if it did have proper slicing, how would you feel about digitakt II vs octatrack? like someone said below i imagine that they’ll introduce it via firmware update once they either retire octatrack or else release octatrack III. i agree with you that it’s not a good decision for them to withold this crucial feature because it’s so frustrating and so clearly something the machine is capable of, but therefore it must have been done on purpose, and the only reason i can imagine is to keep the octatrack valid for longer.
With proper slicing it would certainly be a closer contest between the two. Things being a bit quicker on the Digitakt is a big pro, as well as having Overbridge for implementing it into a DAW workflow, also having 16 MIDI CCs per track that can be renamed is huge. The Octatrack of course has Scenes, which is a super fun feature, also interesting MIDI facilities (although some with frustrating implementation) Also 16 stereo tracks DT vs. 8 stereo tracks OT MIDI mutes vs. Audio mutes Overall, IF the DT gets slicing…I'd go with the DT (even though you'd still be missing things) One thing that someone wrote on Elektronauts gives me hope though. The "slice" machine was renamed to "grid" machine…which makes me think there may be a proper slice mode in the works.
I don't see your logic. If they give DT adjustable slices then release OT2 then they'd be making a competitor to a new product. As it stands, how many OTs really sell now compared to what I reckon is a big rush for DT2? It makes more sense to add the chops if they ARENT releasing an OT2, surely? It's also worth asking if E have ever admitted that this is the reason for not adding it. Because there are a ton of people who accept this as fact. But is it anything more than speculation as to their motives? I wonder if anyone has attempted an interface layout for how chop adjustment would work ....
@@ukbloke28 i think maybe you misunderstood? what i think they want to do is release DTII now without proper slicing, and then in a few months or a year release OT3, and then when a few months later release slicing for DTII. if they were going to retire OT i think they’d just do it now and release DTII with slicing right away, what do you think their motive is?
I was watching some of the performances, and I realized with that many pads you could do drum samples on 1-8 and then split a single sample up through the other 8 pads if you wanted, just change the start/end on each pad.
No slice/loop and you can’t do chords on one single track? What are they thinking? I would get rid my maschine and MPC for this if it had these features.
The thing about Elektron devices is that they are way more than just their spec sheet on paper. Even then, they would be impressive though. 16 tracks in this tiny box? And yet theyre more than just their specs.
I really cannot back them up on that one. It is said to be part of the new RUST architecture they have developped so I am confused as to why they feel like they STILL have to limit the new digitakt this much. Come on, even the KO II from TE has manual slicing points, whats the catch? Not to mention some interesting decisions like no SD card, no FX track, no parameter slides (still last machine to receive them was the analog rytm in... 2014 which is 10 years ago. I am super happy for a great new instrument launch and a lot of happy customers but it is getting harder and harder for me to justify such premium pricing when it seems so much of the limitation is business/money oriented.
They just needed a quick buck from lack of sales. They could literally just kept updating firmwares from every existing machine but due to this is causing people to walk away from buying more (And also their bloated prices) since most of these machines still have bugs and crashes regardless how many updates they've given, or missing features that could have easily been implemented thru update, except maybe one or two things. Personally, I don't have a digitakt, so 2 wouldn't be an issue for me to buy it in the near future for a drum machine, but goddam Elektron are greedy as fuck. They just love abandoning their hardware and product all the way. That's all I've gotten from them so far. (COUGH CYCLES COUGH).
@@Javeton im not gonna lie. The way they treated their low entry products Line (the models) left a really Bad taste in my mouth. I do Hope they getting an update This year as they are so heavily outpaced by every single New groovebox releasing on similar Price range... The cycles is a cool little FM Monster that really needs more attention!
Not sure if you noticed, but everything in synth land has jumped in price over the years. Operating costs and wage increases for their employees will also factor into this. It's easy to just whine and complain and call foul on Elektron, but the reality is they make damn good products and deserve to make a profit. What exactly is wrong with that? If their products were overpriced, they wouldn't be selling and they wouldn't be putting out new products.
@@Javetonunless you work for elektron or have experience with coding their hardware, making assumptions about how easy it would be to do X or Y is just silly.
Wouldn’t a slice mode also potentially open up for the possibility to extract midi from the transient detection, save - and make a new sequence from it with samples of choice? I don’t know of any sampler that does this other than the Ableton audio to midi (which ironically is crap in spite of the powerful rhythm detection).
I work in product design and management. I think it’s very likely that this will be released in a firmware update. They have a totally new platform they can and will update for 7 years. They likely had to consider things like “should we prioritize more effects or more slicing” and made a short term decision to focus on other features because the slice grid is good enough for most use cases. I think it’s highly likely this will be one of the first additional machines.
Sounds like you have the same perspective as me. Subbed. I don’t think you mentioned 16 tracks, stereo sampling and new approach to kits vs patterns, but anyone who’s seen a different video about the DT2 will know this already
Haha, we also seem to have a very similar mixer :D Is that a Tascam 300 series in your picture? One thing that someone wrote on Elektronauts gives me hope though. The "slice" machine was renamed to "grid" machine…which makes me think there may be a proper slice mode in the works.
@@SONWU Yes, it’s an M-320! I don’t have it anymore though. A fine mixer, but wasn’t right for my needs/workflow. One of my favourite things was that I’d get inspired by just looking at it 😎
For me it was simple. The addition of the chorus effect alone made this unit worth it. I still have the Rytm MKII, A4 MKII and the Octa MKII but by putting the chorus in digitakt they effectively created their most self-contained instrument yet. It can take any role. Drums, beats, synth & sound design tool, scratchpad for ideas or create complete tracks. (yes the octa can too but sounds dated) The speed and logic of the sequencer on top of that for both internal and midi mayhem truly makes this a desert island machine. Only had mine for a few days now but it's a solid piece of kit. I for one don't miss the slicing since I'm perfectly fine with, and actually like, the grid machine. Had the octa for years and never ever bothered to manually slice things. Ever. But we all have different workflows. I'd rather have small incremental updates rather than a massive load of new stuff on a new release. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. They kept the digitakt true to its DNA and that's a good thing.
I really thought they’d add proper slicing with the digitakt II. It really makes no sense to not add it especially with the addition to the slice machine in the 1.5 update. Lazy chopping would be so cool to have on the digitakt
It's super simple to make your own quantised loops with a DAW and sample chains with equal spacing with (the free) Octachainer, that the lack of manual slicing really a moot point. And preparing your material ensures a quicker workflow. I have always prepared my samples in a DAW anyway, ever since I figured out Ableton Live, but I get why people who want to sample raw straight from a record might be disappointed. Then again, there's already the Octatrack for those people...
I do expect them to add proper slicing in a later release - they have a good track record of dropping big feature updates. Renaming the Slice machine from DT1 to Grid in DT2 hints at this I think. I imagine they would have had a minimum feature set for the launch and a target of before Superbooth to make and feature parity plus stereo, UI changes and added FX and filters was as far as they got in the time available. The UI work for slicing is pretty big (as per the OT with zooming, start, end, zero crossing snap etc). I'm going to try and hold off on the update until Slice and or Polyphony come along and see how strong my willpower is.
I've been on and off Swede hardware because I think they are pretty expensive most of the time but since I bumped into some teasers yesterday on X I've been more and more curious about this. Since this morning I've been watching video reviews and haven't realised this until your video... thanks for bringing this to my attention, I thought if 5 dollar iPad samplers do what you're missing this one would too :/
I completely agree. The ability to ZOOM on the start/end point is such an important feature I was REALLY expecting. I also think 4 FX would have been Even better , and an external FX Send ( thru the Headphone Jack for example) Would have really set this ahead of the Competition . I'm glad the DT2 has 16ch . 8ch was just too little, and I was already Missing a few FX even with 8ch , so 16 has me thinking twice before getting one . I'll get one eventually , might wait till the New toy rush cools down ; Let the Price drops a little. oh and Thank you for being honest . See too many reviews and nobody mentions this fundamental flaw THE DIGITAKT has .
I was honestly excited for the release, as i own both octatrack and digitakt 1. I will not be buying it, mostly because octatrack is still a better machine for my needs. Slicing (its ridiclous not to have slicing in 2024), 4 outs, 8 recordars, and a looper. I will thought sell my digitakt 1, as my octatrack found a perfect friend in sp404mk2.
@@SONWU The M:S was already a joke in 2019 and 5 years later its absolutely irrelevant when things like liven lofi-12 and KO II exist. It deserves some big firmware update that would fix a lot of its weird limitations bad UI/UX decisions (have you ever found a worse way to scroll through samples on a machine???). Im hoping that Elektron moving most of their line to the new architecture means they feel secured enough to update the models that have been collecting dust for years even regarding the most simple QoL features (even the 90 euros pocket operators have keyboard scales Elektron...).
Baffling. It's not like it's a multi-velocity layer sampler like the old big samplers. It's a beat making sampler more like an MPC. Slicing should be one of the most basic features.
Slicing is such a basic part of sample flipping. Chop samples and rearrange them on the fly just by hitting the pads. Parameter locking samples is not a workaround.
copied from manual: "A.2.5 GRID The Grid machine allows samples to be automatically sliced into similarly-sized segments (slices) and triggered individually. Press [SRC] to access this parameter page and to toggle between page 1 and page 2."can't indeed not find manual editing :(
The FX improvements are somewhat underwhelming to me- 1) effects are still not insert aka per track, the delay, reverb, and chorus are all sends (same as on Analog 4 and Digitone, 2) all the other effects are not new, they’re just classified as effects and presented on a single screen, instead of being scattered around the various sample pages. I suppose you could say some of the new filter models like comb are sort of effects. I’m also still a bit baffled by the lack of slicing, but here’s my tin foil theory for why it will definitely be included: Elektron changed the machine name from “slice” to “grid”, presumably because there will be a new slice machine in the future. I am thinking there will be a reasonable workaround, however: you can now add multiple different “presets” to a single track. You could easily make multiple preset copies of the same sample, and the adjust the start and end points of each version. Still not as elegant as Push/MPC sampling, when the end point of one slice automatically becomes the start of the next. I did pre-order one, not because I’m banking on any particular firmware update, but because I already adore the Digitakt for what it is, and I want to support the future of the product. Time stretching, stereo sampling, better midi features, kits, chorus all in the same form factor make me pretty happy.
Fully share this. The absence of proper slice mode is the sole reason why I don’t buy this (lucky me i have the money). BTW i am not buying the MPC One because of the touch screen. Both samplers would really complement nicely my sampler history, but these features (or lack of) are dealbreakers for me.
Coming from Akai MPC the list of features that I'm missing is so long that I don't even bother. I love the minimalistic approach of the Digitakt hardware, I'd give that a 10/10, the workflow is an acquired taste but I think it also deserves a 9/10, connectivity 8/10, but feature wise they astonish me every new product release with how little progress was made. If I may take a wild guess it's a byproduct of their support old gear with updates strategy. Which is probably eating up money, resources and staff that cuts away from the new features that can be implemented in the new product releases. I'm not saying that isn't a great strategy, it has worked wonders for their image. Where it is failing currently is on the innovative side of their product. I genuinely want to buy the Digitakt 2 but it doesn't outperform any of my other samplers. Not even my original MPC Live which is 7 years old now. It can do everything the Digitakt 2 does and far more plus it has a build in battery, more connectivity and if you ask around for a store that still has one, it would cost you 1/3 of the price of the Digitakt 2. People who swear by the Elektron workflow are obviously not gonna care. But to others like me it's so odd to see everyone so excited for a product that looks and works great, yet offers so little beside that to justify the purchase. Elektron has this clever way of showing stylish video's, where they show what can be done with their products and they'll add demo projects that will blow your socks off. That's how they get you, and that's probably how they'll get me one day. But for now the Digitakt 2 no matter how much I want to love it is a pass. I shall not be GAS-lighted (yet).
You can create perfect looped samples even on the original Digitakt. You just need to select amount of bars you resample/sample in the sample menu (if you resampling but using external in - you need to know bpm, ofc, or trim the sample before saving it).
Yeah but you can set a record trigger, so if you want to create a loop of high hats then you will have to compensate for the time during the downbeat. On the octatrack you can set a record trigger
i have no more set up since 6years now and this summer i am going to go back in to it and i was studying every thing and i am an elektron addict i had machinedrum mkII uw rytm analog4 octaMKII so story short i thought it was it for me 16tracks revamp ctrl all etc but after one day i still think an Rytm mkI and blackbox (used) will be a better option for almost the same price i will take a digitone a little bit latter to have a poly synt and to sequence four tracks of the BB but i reaaly like less is more so i am still thinkking DT2 and DN i am not sure at ALL
Hello buddy, I like the Elektron devices and the Digitakt. But I'm still waiting and really considering. We brides still have the Octatrack. and then we both end up in a quandary when Opz Field comes. Ultimately, everyone should be aware that it's not about the amount of equipment you own, but you can make really good music even with one small gear. I'm excited about the hype, but you can't make better music if you have the newest latest device. I'll do it like you and wait 👋😉👍
Hey! Oh yeah, too much gear can be very distracting… True, gotta save money for the OP-Z as well. So many decisions, so many unknowns :D Somehow I still want the DT2, or D2 but we shall see. One thing that someone wrote on Elektronauts gives me hope though. The "slice" machine was renamed to "grid" machine…which makes me think there may be a proper slice mode in the works.
Yeah, but it somehow doesn't make sense. It's like Mercedes saying, okay we made a great car in 1970… now we are just going to make worse cars, in order for us to still be able to sell the car from 1970!?
@@SONWU Yep the octatrack is still crazy good, but its old and the platform its based on is going defunct, so either they re-design the octa for a new platform or the move the functionality to the DT.
@@mauriziomauricone MK2 was released years ago. One of the designers said the OCTA platform is coming to an end because of chip shortage and a few other things, so a MK3 would have to be engineered from the ground up and completely new under the hood.
I feel like elektron is out of good ideas. This is a case of “but what if it was TWO digitakts” and some glaring omissions make it a weak upgrade for me. Dirtywave M8 still the best.
I guess the solution for manual slicing would be to adjust sample start and save each one as a preset in the preset pool? Now that the preset pool can be used as trig mode. But still no zooming on SRC page makes the manual slicing unnecessary tedious :-/
@@SONWU It does sort on name, I think? So when saving as new preset for each adjustment we can just add an index. Manual slicing like this would do it for me. But the lack of zooming makes it "impossible" on long samples. A request so many users have wanted since day 1. Look forward to all the upcoming user videos to see how people are using these new features.
internal battery, usb-c charging/midi/audio interface and lighter form factor would have been incredible... the rest can be addresed with a firmware upgrade.
@@robertsyrett1992 shouldn't have to do workarounds with an 1,000 USD sampler in 2024. Yes, we all know how to make it work, but you're missing the point
@@EVILJAMARR It's not really a workaround as much as a type of workflow. the "work around" is preparing sample chains in the DAW. But hopefully there will be a firmware update and this becomes a moot point.
Is that really a problem at all? Remember, you can always use P-Locks selecting sample start and end points for each trigger. Yes it's cumbersome, tedious and annoying. But how many restrictions (sample memory) had those old MPC's and that was never a reason not buy one. 😏
This is predominantly an issue for people that make hiphop and jungle, who are clearly vocal about it. But I'm not so sure a lot of the other users care so much ... who here makes other genres but wants the chops?
Something you could try, write out all the features of the digitakt, side chain compression, LFO's, p-locks, FX, etc. Just list everything out. Then when you go to get another sheet of paper cause you ran out of room, keep filling it out, then at the bottom write "this is a limited list". Lol. Every box cant be every other box. Digitakt aint the mpc or 404. Yes, wish it had manual slicing but i wish the mpc had LFO's, like real ones with destinations like the Akai force. Gotta evaluate it on your own needs and if manual slicing is what you need, guess you gotta go somewhere else, but everything else kinda move out of the "limited" territory.
I mean, you can multi sample on a single slice. Just save each voice as a separate preset and load them as a multi sample on a single voice... its not that complicated...
I know there are workarounds…but why have workarounds, if there could be an easier/quicker way? Would you still use the workarounds, if there was a quicker way?
@@QuanNguyen-ox7msThe OT is not the work of a single person and the feature base has already been created. Only a few adjustments would have to be made, perhaps a more intuitive software and some edges and corners that probably need a hardware update (because there are probably already some limitations with the current 15 year old hardware). You don't have to call it OT3, a completely new product in this direction wouldn't be a problem either. The main thing is a sampler in the format and e.g. with a native 128 step length, better effects, trig mute instead of audio mute And so on
Not pulling the trigger until they fix the slicing. Not to mention as the way it stands right now, you can’t slice and time stretch, it’s one or the other which is also super annoying. The other thing that would be highly desirable for me is at least 2 note polyphony per track so samples with reverb tails don’t get choked when the loop restarts. I just can’t imagine why this wouldn’t be possible. I’m not a programmer by any means but come on, there is polyphony on many samplers… cheaper ones at that. If they are holding back on proper slicing to protect the sales of a 15 year old legacy box (that they refuse to update, so that’s on them) has it, I’ll never buy another Elektron device again. I actually really want this. I think it’s a great update. FAR more of an update than any other MKII they’ve ever released, but they just continue to do dumb shit.
I somehow think slicing will come…otherwise it doesn't make sense why they renamed the slice machine. Probably saving it as an update to drive Christmas sales ;)
@@SONWUI think they will too but that just makes it even more uncool to not just release this feature at launch. I lost my respect for Elektron years ago. We saw a philosophy change the moment they released the model samples. They’ve been a different brand since. That’s why they lost their crucial parts of their team.
I produce music with lots of chord changes. Thats not something most/all elektron devices will do easily. Understandable if you are making one chord vamp EDM. Not sure if the II has addressed this.
A big part of the Elektron workflow is parameter locks per step. It’s insanely creative. But that means it’s not suited to multiple note events per step.
No polyphony per track is extremely disappointing, moreso than this. No cross-fade on samples either so clicks will still need workarounds. Why do they do this, it's so close to being everything I've ever wanted in 1 box. It's still amazing but it could have been next level incredible. Usb transfer speed in 2024 is a joke too. Lots of good here but still so many oversights to drop the big bucks on yet
Ngl I hate the mpc sequence workflow. It’s cool if you want to drum stuff live or make quantized beats but the micro timing adjustments and p locks are chefs kiss
Take away the powerful Elektron Sequencer (which I love) and focus solely on the sampling engine and the Digitakt II is pretty underwhelming when compared to other products in the same price range. I think Elektron are slowly moving into the Teenage Engineering space where you’re paying premium for the name alone… and sadly a lot of people are easily hoodwinked by this. I have 5 pieces of Elektron gear but they are starting to lose their lustre.
I thought that until I got the original DT. Having used most sequencers and samplers since 1990 the DT was a revelation. The workflow suits me perfectly. Sold my other gear and replaced it all with more Elektron boxes. Whatever floats your boat.
yeah at this point it's just ridiculous. im not going to buy one until they add it ... even if its the case that they plan it for an update, they at least need to be public about that and stop playing around. @Elektron - grand here waiting for when you add it. I'm NEVER going to buy an OT, not interested.
I was last night too watching the release! haha The amount of functionality they packed from release is mindblowing. Not sure how fast I will jump on it because of prices here in Japan but I covers all my issues with the DT, stereo, more storage, amount of sounds, 16 tracks,...
Yeah, the price is quite steep. If it had a slice mode, I wouldn't mind paying it at all, but like this it's a tough sell. I hope some features will come to the mk1…then I can just jump on one of those when the prices come down :D
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I can see them updating this to have proper slicing, when they are ready to discontinue the octatrack (or upgrade/replace it). The processor of the octa is close to 15 years old, so it’s probably going to be out of production soon. After just how much was added to the original digitakt over the past 7 years, I highly doubt they won’t add true slicing in a future update, along with tons of other features we haven’t even thought of yet.
I'm not buying a product based on what it might do in the future, especially in this age where literally every other machine offers this basic function at all price points. I also own an OT and what you're suggesting is the most piss-poor "reason" for withholding such a basic feature and I would be shocked if that small difference between the two devices is the reason for all this. Ridiculous if true
@@EVILJAMARRTo be clear, I am not advocating what they are doing is right (if that is the case), I’m just saying what is a very real possibility in this scenario. Hope I am wrong, and they introduce proper slicing within the first year or so. As is, the digitakt 2 is a fantastic upgrade to the original with everything that is currently included. I agree that noone should ever buy a product based on what “may” be added in the future.
but they could've added it to DT1 and chose not to. so why DT2?
@@ukbloke28 Maybe DT1 does not have the processing power necessary to handle slicing, that was up to Elektron's standards.
@@na-dj6ob I think you reall don't understand slicing if you think that moving a slice point would require more processing than a fixed grid. it would be the same. the only overheads would occur at the time when you move the slice point, which would not be more intensive than changing the start or end point (the same process in fact) - which the DT happily handles.
I agree with you on the topic of proper sample slicing capabilities. In my opinion, it's the one feature that's keeping both Digitakt devices from being an elite sampler. They call it a "Drum Computer" in addition to a sampler, which is fine, but chopping up drum breaks is one of the most used aspects of modern sampling machines.
Nah, lack of polyphony is worse.
Totally agree. Custom slices was a priority wish for me. I’m waiting for an update or considering other devices.
Just get an MPC Live II man. I have 5 Elektron boxes and I’ve stopped using my Octatrack since buying an MPC.
But we have always been able to p-lock the start point which accomplishes basically the same thing. For me at least, that has always been the more fun way to do it.
Its a very different workflow compared to having slices mapped out on keys and playing them…if that's what you are used to p-locking doesn't cut it. Nevertheless…I just ordered the DT2 :D
Thanks for sharing this other then all the youtubers that are not mention it
I feel like they likely will add a "proper" chopping mode. But literally i have never even had the urge to complain about that. You can chop with P locking so easily and its so fast and fun. While I agree with thinking it could be a good feature with detecting 0 point transients and all. I think a lot of folks just dont understand or fully take advantage of the power of this machine. Its honestly insane compared to other samplers even with its limitations. I just want a zoom on the main sample menu to dial in my plocks better
Exactly this. P-locking on a DT is very powerful.
so you can manuallly chop your sample at diffrent slices with a p lock on dif steps?
@@smallcarrot6970 Just lock the sample start parameter at any value you want.
@smallcarrot6970 yep. You can select different start points on every step trigger on the sequencer. Not only that. You can easily automate almost every single parameter on this device on a per step basis. It is so powerful it has pretty much ruined my bar for other samplers. Whenever i see someone complaining it just tells me they aren't using it well or they only like to finger drum, which if you like to do that more just get something else. This box is about the incredible sequencer plus sampling. It might take a little bit more effort, but it is not hard at all.
Honestly being able to snap to transients 0 cross mode when selecting the start/end times for P-Locking would be a killer work flow improvement.
A sure sign it's in the pipeline is that they renamed the slice machine from the original to "Grid." For me, I want ping-pong playback mode!
Proper slice mode isn't even necessary. It would be cool but if you could snap to 0 db/transients when selecting start/end points. You could do some absolutely precise easy P-Locks and would improve the work flow immensely.
To manually slice, just set up a pattern where each step has the start and end locked how you want them, then resample the track. That’s what i’ve always done on digitakt, even on octatrack this is sometime faster than its audio editor
I thought polyphonic play back was the elephant? Midi tracks on the Digitakt 1 can do polyphony, why can't they get Digitakt 2 to play samples back with polyphony?
This was something that blew my mind when I first got the EP-133 - it’s super fun for the polyphony
Yep and multi-sampling. It’s 2024 FFS!
This was more of a deal breaker for me. I honestly can't believe it. This could have been the ultimate one box. Sample a mono synth in C and now you can play chords. I don't want the workarounds, I just want to play chords or more than one note without it choking out the last. No cross-fade either. I believe it's possible but they don't want to do it. I was surprised they didn't add poly to the Syntakt either. It really baffles me and I'm not seeing enough people being bothered by it tbh. So close to my dream instrument. Maybe a future update, BUT you buy it for what it is not what you hope it could be. Everything else is looking great on the D2, just not quite there for me which is a shame cus I love the workflow. Looks like I'm getting a deluge.
@@eweystewy I bought an MPC Live II last year for this very reason. Haven’t looked back. Love it!
@@eweystewy Not just for the sample track, but even for the MIDI tracks! That's uber stupid to not be able to sequence chords on a MIDI tracks. Like if it would take much processing power.
if it did have proper slicing, how would you feel about digitakt II vs octatrack? like someone said below i imagine that they’ll introduce it via firmware update once they either retire octatrack or else release octatrack III. i agree with you that it’s not a good decision for them to withold this crucial feature because it’s so frustrating and so clearly something the machine is capable of, but therefore it must have been done on purpose, and the only reason i can imagine is to keep the octatrack valid for longer.
With proper slicing it would certainly be a closer contest between the two.
Things being a bit quicker on the Digitakt is a big pro, as well as having Overbridge for implementing it into a DAW workflow, also having 16 MIDI CCs per track that can be renamed is huge.
The Octatrack of course has Scenes, which is a super fun feature, also interesting MIDI facilities (although some with frustrating implementation)
Also 16 stereo tracks DT vs. 8 stereo tracks OT
MIDI mutes vs. Audio mutes
Overall, IF the DT gets slicing…I'd go with the DT (even though you'd still be missing things)
One thing that someone wrote on Elektronauts gives me hope though. The "slice" machine was renamed to "grid" machine…which makes me think there may be a proper slice mode in the works.
I don't see your logic. If they give DT adjustable slices then release OT2 then they'd be making a competitor to a new product. As it stands, how many OTs really sell now compared to what I reckon is a big rush for DT2?
It makes more sense to add the chops if they ARENT releasing an OT2, surely?
It's also worth asking if E have ever admitted that this is the reason for not adding it. Because there are a ton of people who accept this as fact. But is it anything more than speculation as to their motives? I wonder if anyone has attempted an interface layout for how chop adjustment would work ....
@@ukbloke28 i think maybe you misunderstood? what i think they want to do is release DTII now without proper slicing, and then in a few months or a year release OT3, and then when a few months later release slicing for DTII.
if they were going to retire OT i think they’d just do it now and release DTII with slicing right away,
what do you think their motive is?
I was watching some of the performances, and I realized with that many pads you could do drum samples on 1-8 and then split a single sample up through the other 8 pads if you wanted, just change the start/end on each pad.
No slice/loop and you can’t do chords on one single track? What are they thinking?
I would get rid my maschine and MPC for this if it had these features.
I am psyched about the DT2. I think its a massive improvement, overall.
The thing about Elektron devices is that they are way more than just their spec sheet on paper. Even then, they would be impressive though. 16 tracks in this tiny box? And yet theyre more than just their specs.
I really cannot back them up on that one. It is said to be part of the new RUST architecture they have developped so I am confused as to why they feel like they STILL have to limit the new digitakt this much. Come on, even the KO II from TE has manual slicing points, whats the catch? Not to mention some interesting decisions like no SD card, no FX track, no parameter slides (still last machine to receive them was the analog rytm in... 2014 which is 10 years ago. I am super happy for a great new instrument launch and a lot of happy customers but it is getting harder and harder for me to justify such premium pricing when it seems so much of the limitation is business/money oriented.
i think there is slides with portamento glissando.....no ?
They just needed a quick buck from lack of sales. They could literally just kept updating firmwares from every existing machine but due to this is causing people to walk away from buying more (And also their bloated prices) since most of these machines still have bugs and crashes regardless how many updates they've given, or missing features that could have easily been implemented thru update, except maybe one or two things. Personally, I don't have a digitakt, so 2 wouldn't be an issue for me to buy it in the near future for a drum machine, but goddam Elektron are greedy as fuck. They just love abandoning their hardware and product all the way. That's all I've gotten from them so far. (COUGH CYCLES COUGH).
@@Javeton im not gonna lie. The way they treated their low entry products Line (the models) left a really Bad taste in my mouth. I do Hope they getting an update This year as they are so heavily outpaced by every single New groovebox releasing on similar Price range... The cycles is a cool little FM Monster that really needs more attention!
Not sure if you noticed, but everything in synth land has jumped in price over the years. Operating costs and wage increases for their employees will also factor into this. It's easy to just whine and complain and call foul on Elektron, but the reality is they make damn good products and deserve to make a profit. What exactly is wrong with that? If their products were overpriced, they wouldn't be selling and they wouldn't be putting out new products.
@@Javetonunless you work for elektron or have experience with coding their hardware, making assumptions about how easy it would be to do X or Y is just silly.
Wouldn’t a slice mode also potentially open up for the possibility to extract midi from the transient detection, save - and make a new sequence from it with samples of choice? I don’t know of any sampler that does this other than the Ableton audio to midi (which ironically is crap in spite of the powerful rhythm detection).
I work in product design and management. I think it’s very likely that this will be released in a firmware update. They have a totally new platform they can and will update for 7 years. They likely had to consider things like “should we prioritize more effects or more slicing” and made a short term decision to focus on other features because the slice grid is good enough for most use cases. I think it’s highly likely this will be one of the first additional machines.
Sounds like you have the same perspective as me. Subbed. I don’t think you mentioned 16 tracks, stereo sampling and new approach to kits vs patterns, but anyone who’s seen a different video about the DT2 will know this already
You're still not allowed to buy one Ozzy 😋
@@AgentsofRush lol you cheek! Easy for you to say with all the gear you’ve got 😝
@@ozzy3ml lol :D I have said no to new hardware. Behaving myself. Enjoying cubase 13 pro at the moment can you believe.
Haha, we also seem to have a very similar mixer :D Is that a Tascam 300 series in your picture?
One thing that someone wrote on Elektronauts gives me hope though. The "slice" machine was renamed to "grid" machine…which makes me think there may be a proper slice mode in the works.
@@SONWU Yes, it’s an M-320! I don’t have it anymore though. A fine mixer, but wasn’t right for my needs/workflow. One of my favourite things was that I’d get inspired by just looking at it 😎
For me it was simple. The addition of the chorus effect alone made this unit worth it. I still have the Rytm MKII, A4 MKII and the Octa MKII but by putting the chorus in digitakt they effectively created their most self-contained instrument yet. It can take any role. Drums, beats, synth & sound design tool, scratchpad for ideas or create complete tracks. (yes the octa can too but sounds dated) The speed and logic of the sequencer on top of that for both internal and midi mayhem truly makes this a desert island machine. Only had mine for a few days now but it's a solid piece of kit.
I for one don't miss the slicing since I'm perfectly fine with, and actually like, the grid machine. Had the octa for years and never ever bothered to manually slice things. Ever. But we all have different workflows.
I'd rather have small incremental updates rather than a massive load of new stuff on a new release. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. They kept the digitakt true to its DNA and that's a good thing.
I really thought they’d add proper slicing with the digitakt II. It really makes no sense to not add it especially with the addition to the slice machine in the 1.5 update. Lazy chopping would be so cool to have on the digitakt
It's super simple to make your own quantised loops with a DAW and sample chains with equal spacing with (the free) Octachainer, that the lack of manual slicing really a moot point. And preparing your material ensures a quicker workflow. I have always prepared my samples in a DAW anyway, ever since I figured out Ableton Live, but I get why people who want to sample raw straight from a record might be disappointed. Then again, there's already the Octatrack for those people...
no sd card :(
I do expect them to add proper slicing in a later release - they have a good track record of dropping big feature updates. Renaming the Slice machine from DT1 to Grid in DT2 hints at this I think. I imagine they would have had a minimum feature set for the launch and a target of before Superbooth to make and feature parity plus stereo, UI changes and added FX and filters was as far as they got in the time available. The UI work for slicing is pretty big (as per the OT with zooming, start, end, zero crossing snap etc). I'm going to try and hold off on the update until Slice and or Polyphony come along and see how strong my willpower is.
I've been on and off Swede hardware because I think they are pretty expensive most of the time but since I bumped into some teasers yesterday on X I've been more and more curious about this. Since this morning I've been watching video reviews and haven't realised this until your video... thanks for bringing this to my attention, I thought if 5 dollar iPad samplers do what you're missing this one would too :/
As a long time DT user, chopping has never really been an issue as parameter locking start points (and any other parameter) is so quick and easy.
I completely agree. The ability to ZOOM on the start/end point is such an important feature I was REALLY expecting.
I also think 4 FX would have been Even better , and an external FX Send ( thru the Headphone Jack for example)
Would have really set this ahead of the Competition .
I'm glad the DT2 has 16ch . 8ch was just too little, and I was already Missing a few FX even with 8ch , so 16 has me thinking twice before getting one .
I'll get one eventually , might wait till the New toy rush cools down ; Let the Price drops a little.
oh and Thank you for being honest . See too many reviews and nobody mentions this fundamental flaw THE DIGITAKT has .
you can trigger 16 presets from the sound pool on a single track. this is more or less the functional equivalent
Yeah, but you'll have to go through saving each slice first…
....You mean a terrible replacement for tried and true sample chopping. Definitely not "functionally the same"
Functionally equivalent maybe but an absolute PITA in practice.
I was honestly excited for the release, as i own both octatrack and digitakt 1.
I will not be buying it, mostly because octatrack is still a better machine for my needs. Slicing (its ridiclous not to have slicing in 2024), 4 outs, 8 recordars, and a looper.
I will thought sell my digitakt 1, as my octatrack found a perfect friend in sp404mk2.
Introducing... The Elektron Octatakt!
You ever make any vids with the Model:Samples?
No, I sold it immediately…didn't like it.
@@SONWU lol damn
@@SONWU The M:S was already a joke in 2019 and 5 years later its absolutely irrelevant when things like liven lofi-12 and KO II exist. It deserves some big firmware update that would fix a lot of its weird limitations bad UI/UX decisions (have you ever found a worse way to scroll through samples on a machine???). Im hoping that Elektron moving most of their line to the new architecture means they feel secured enough to update the models that have been collecting dust for years even regarding the most simple QoL features (even the 90 euros pocket operators have keyboard scales Elektron...).
Man they need to update that lol but make it sample tho.
Seems like the OT is still the GOAT.
I thought the grid mode was essentially a slice mode?
Same reason I’m going to pass for now. I guess my Octatrack is still going to be the slice king
Yeah, it's too bad…I even want to like the Digitakt.
no manual slicing is the deal breaker for me
Imagine paying $1,000 for a sampler in 2024 that won't let you chop samples... Insane
@@EVILJAMARR at that price man, yeah
Baffling. It's not like it's a multi-velocity layer sampler like the old big samplers. It's a beat making sampler more like an MPC.
Slicing should be one of the most basic features.
While I agree, it's a real oversight. I imagine it will arrive in an update fairly soon. If not, well good luck competing with the new cheap mpcs. 👍
Same. Add slice mode and we have a deal.
Whats the point of slicing if you can just parameter lock start and end point
Which is Something unique to the Digitakt that other samplers don't do because they use slices
Playing around and experimenting with slices by tapping the buttons is the point!
@@SONWU Good point.
Func yes
Slicing is such a basic part of sample flipping. Chop samples and rearrange them on the fly just by hitting the pads. Parameter locking samples is not a workaround.
I honestly just wanna buy you a beer. Anywhere in Tokyo
copied from manual: "A.2.5 GRID
The Grid machine allows samples to be automatically sliced into similarly-sized segments (slices) and
triggered individually. Press [SRC] to access this parameter page and to toggle between page 1 and
page 2."can't indeed not find manual editing :(
Slice mode should work like cue points in traktor. Then you could do full on remixes in the box.
The FX improvements are somewhat underwhelming to me- 1) effects are still not insert aka per track, the delay, reverb, and chorus are all sends (same as on Analog 4 and Digitone, 2) all the other effects are not new, they’re just classified as effects and presented on a single screen, instead of being scattered around the various sample pages. I suppose you could say some of the new filter models like comb are sort of effects.
I’m also still a bit baffled by the lack of slicing, but here’s my tin foil theory for why it will definitely be included: Elektron changed the machine name from “slice” to “grid”, presumably because there will be a new slice machine in the future. I am thinking there will be a reasonable workaround, however: you can now add multiple different “presets” to a single track. You could easily make multiple preset copies of the same sample, and the adjust the start and end points of each version. Still not as elegant as Push/MPC sampling, when the end point of one slice automatically becomes the start of the next.
I did pre-order one, not because I’m banking on any particular firmware update, but because I already adore the Digitakt for what it is, and I want to support the future of the product. Time stretching, stereo sampling, better midi features, kits, chorus all in the same form factor make me pretty happy.
I agree with the performance mode not being as good as I expected. I was also dreaming of delay per channel as opposed to just being a send fx.
Fully share this. The absence of proper slice mode is the sole reason why I don’t buy this (lucky me i have the money). BTW i am not buying the MPC One because of the touch screen. Both samplers would really complement nicely my sampler history, but these features (or lack of) are dealbreakers for me.
Yup, I understand. I think they will update it with proper slicing…but we'll see
Slicing is Octatrack territory. No idea why anyone would expect the digitakt to have this.
Counterpoint: Because Digitakt is a sampler…most people expect samplers to be able to slice.
Coming from Akai MPC the list of features that I'm missing is so long that I don't even bother. I love the minimalistic approach of the Digitakt hardware, I'd give that a 10/10, the workflow is an acquired taste but I think it also deserves a 9/10, connectivity 8/10, but feature wise they astonish me every new product release with how little progress was made. If I may take a wild guess it's a byproduct of their support old gear with updates strategy. Which is probably eating up money, resources and staff that cuts away from the new features that can be implemented in the new product releases. I'm not saying that isn't a great strategy, it has worked wonders for their image. Where it is failing currently is on the innovative side of their product. I genuinely want to buy the Digitakt 2 but it doesn't outperform any of my other samplers. Not even my original MPC Live which is 7 years old now. It can do everything the Digitakt 2 does and far more plus it has a build in battery, more connectivity and if you ask around for a store that still has one, it would cost you 1/3 of the price of the Digitakt 2. People who swear by the Elektron workflow are obviously not gonna care. But to others like me it's so odd to see everyone so excited for a product that looks and works great, yet offers so little beside that to justify the purchase. Elektron has this clever way of showing stylish video's, where they show what can be done with their products and they'll add demo projects that will blow your socks off. That's how they get you, and that's probably how they'll get me one day. But for now the Digitakt 2 no matter how much I want to love it is a pass. I shall not be GAS-lighted (yet).
Once you get into the Elektron ‘workflow’ it’s hard to look at anything else. Parameter locking is so quick and easy it’s ridiculous. So creative.
It’s funny that when the digitakt came out you could buy them new for 500€ and now they charge double the price 😅
Inflation has hit pretty hard though.
@@SONWU I think it depends more on demand.
@@phelper4554 that too!
@@SONWU to nearly double the price? Nah, that's not inflation.
It’ll be in the update next year
No looper, to create perfect looped samples is the main reason for me to not buy it at this moment
You can create perfect looped samples even on the original Digitakt. You just need to select amount of bars you resample/sample in the sample menu (if you resampling but using external in - you need to know bpm, ofc, or trim the sample before saving it).
You have been able to use a Digitakt to create perfect loops since 1.50 firmware in 2023.
Yeah but you can set a record trigger, so if you want to create a loop of high hats then you will have to compensate for the time during the downbeat.
On the octatrack you can set a record trigger
i have no more set up since 6years now and this summer i am going to go back in to it and i was studying every thing and i am an elektron addict i had machinedrum mkII uw rytm analog4 octaMKII so story short i thought it was it for me 16tracks revamp ctrl all etc but after one day i still think an Rytm mkI and blackbox (used) will be a better option for almost the same price i will take a digitone a little bit latter to have a poly synt and to sequence four tracks of the BB but i reaaly like less is more so i am still thinkking DT2 and DN i am not sure at ALL
Hello buddy, I like the Elektron devices and the Digitakt. But I'm still waiting and really considering. We brides still have the Octatrack. and then we both end up in a quandary when Opz Field comes. Ultimately, everyone should be aware that it's not about the amount of equipment you own, but you can make really good music even with one small gear. I'm excited about the hype, but you can't make better music if you have the newest latest device. I'll do it like you and wait 👋😉👍
Hey!
Oh yeah, too much gear can be very distracting…
True, gotta save money for the OP-Z as well. So many decisions, so many unknowns :D
Somehow I still want the DT2, or D2 but we shall see. One thing that someone wrote on Elektronauts gives me hope though. The "slice" machine was renamed to "grid" machine…which makes me think there may be a proper slice mode in the works.
brides? when did you get married? and to what?
To make you buy the OT?
Yeah, but it somehow doesn't make sense.
It's like Mercedes saying, okay we made a great car in 1970…
now we are just going to make worse cars, in order for us to still be able to sell the car from 1970!?
@@SONWU Yep the octatrack is still crazy good, but its old and the platform its based on is going defunct, so either they re-design the octa for a new platform or the move the functionality to the DT.
I question the logic of that as a reason at this point. is it more than gossip that people take as fact?
Unless the OT MK2 is around the corner…….
@@mauriziomauricone MK2 was released years ago. One of the designers said the OCTA platform is coming to an end because of chip shortage and a few other things, so a MK3 would have to be engineered from the ground up and completely new under the hood.
Wanted to like it. Been thinking of getting a “modern” sampler and after all the releases the SP404MKii just keeps looking better and better…
a ton of people detest the SP workflow though. my mate just uses his as an FX box
The DT has so much more going for it. Parameter locking is insanely creative, quick and easy.
@@leftmono1016 I’ll second that. The big boy version is the machinedrum though. The plocking and in the fly possibilities with it are insane
I feel like elektron is out of good ideas. This is a case of “but what if it was TWO digitakts” and some glaring omissions make it a weak upgrade for me. Dirtywave M8 still the best.
dont see your point. they didn't claim it was a new idea. it's a solid upgrade of a much-loved product.
I totally agree with u!
I think manual slicing will be added later on. That's not something difficult but you know Elektron need to keep adding features to keep Digi 2 hot...
;) Yeah I think it'll be the first proper update…they probably rushed it a little, judging by some obvious features missing.
Slice mode is the only basic missing feature to make it complete.
Agreed…it's the thing keeping it from being THE hands-on sampler on the market.
I guess the solution for manual slicing would be to adjust sample start and save each one as a preset in the preset pool? Now that the preset pool can be used as trig mode. But still no zooming on SRC page makes the manual slicing unnecessary tedious :-/
yes, that's what I thought too…and then what about organizing within the preset pool?Probably tedious…might try it anyway :D
@@SONWU It does sort on name, I think? So when saving as new preset for each adjustment we can just add an index. Manual slicing like this would do it for me. But the lack of zooming makes it "impossible" on long samples. A request so many users have wanted since day 1. Look forward to all the upcoming user videos to see how people are using these new features.
no arp/midi arp, no internal battery, no polyphony Zzzzzzzz
internal battery, usb-c charging/midi/audio interface and lighter form factor would have been incredible... the rest can be addresed with a firmware upgrade.
That would harm the octatrack, and take away from the immediacy of the device which is the point
Yeah slicing is a big one
The mammoth: No Polyphony.
I agree. $1,000 for a sampler that doesn't let you manually slice up samples?! In 2024?! Criminal moves.
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With 16 audio track, probably pretty easy to load the same sample to a couple of them and set the start and end points.
@@robertsyrett1992 shouldn't have to do workarounds with an 1,000 USD sampler in 2024. Yes, we all know how to make it work, but you're missing the point
@@EVILJAMARR It's not really a workaround as much as a type of workflow. the "work around" is preparing sample chains in the DAW. But hopefully there will be a firmware update and this becomes a moot point.
Is that really a problem at all? Remember, you can always use P-Locks selecting sample start and end points for each trigger. Yes it's cumbersome, tedious and annoying. But how many restrictions (sample memory) had those old MPC's and that was never a reason not buy one. 😏
This is predominantly an issue for people that make hiphop and jungle, who are clearly vocal about it. But I'm not so sure a lot of the other users care so much ... who here makes other genres but wants the chops?
100% agree
🤜🤛
I don't own any Elektron gear, although they look really good. But you're telling me it's missing functionality the PO-33 has? lol
Yeah, you really gotta know what you are getting yourself into :D
New digitakt doesnt make sense...its premium sound with limited features. I dont get it.
Something you could try, write out all the features of the digitakt, side chain compression, LFO's, p-locks, FX, etc. Just list everything out. Then when you go to get another sheet of paper cause you ran out of room, keep filling it out, then at the bottom write "this is a limited list". Lol. Every box cant be every other box. Digitakt aint the mpc or 404. Yes, wish it had manual slicing but i wish the mpc had LFO's, like real ones with destinations like the Akai force. Gotta evaluate it on your own needs and if manual slicing is what you need, guess you gotta go somewhere else, but everything else kinda move out of the "limited" territory.
@@hasan7786they will never stop complaining
@@hasan7786 100%
I mean, you can multi sample on a single slice. Just save each voice as a separate preset and load them as a multi sample on a single voice... its not that complicated...
I know there are workarounds…but why have workarounds, if there could be an easier/quicker way? Would you still use the workarounds, if there was a quicker way?
It’s because the OT3 is coming out 😂
🪓 the octatrack, but i get it
save your money for the octatrack 3
I hope OT 3 is a thing for elektron
there will be no OT3 cause the guy who created it left Elektron already.
OT 2
@@QuanNguyen-ox7msThe OT is not the work of a single person and the feature base has already been created.
Only a few adjustments would have to be made, perhaps a more intuitive software and some edges and corners that probably need a hardware update (because there are probably already some limitations with the current 15 year old hardware).
You don't have to call it OT3, a completely new product in this direction wouldn't be a problem either.
The main thing is a sampler in the format and e.g. with a native 128 step length, better effects, trig mute instead of audio mute
And so on
@@leipzig1040 it would need to be significantly different to warrant a new name. otherwise it would be ridiculous.
Not pulling the trigger until they fix the slicing. Not to mention as the way it stands right now, you can’t slice and time stretch, it’s one or the other which is also super annoying. The other thing that would be highly desirable for me is at least 2 note polyphony per track so samples with reverb tails don’t get choked when the loop restarts. I just can’t imagine why this wouldn’t be possible. I’m not a programmer by any means but come on, there is polyphony on many samplers… cheaper ones at that.
If they are holding back on proper slicing to protect the sales of a 15 year old legacy box (that they refuse to update, so that’s on them) has it, I’ll never buy another Elektron device again.
I actually really want this. I think it’s a great update. FAR more of an update than any other MKII they’ve ever released, but they just continue to do dumb shit.
I somehow think slicing will come…otherwise it doesn't make sense why they renamed the slice machine.
Probably saving it as an update to drive Christmas sales ;)
@@SONWUI think they will too but that just makes it even more uncool to not just release this feature at launch. I lost my respect for Elektron years ago. We saw a philosophy change the moment they released the model samples. They’ve been a different brand since. That’s why they lost their crucial parts of their team.
"That’s why they lost their crucial parts of their team." - says who?
@@ukbloke28Says people. I’m not gonna out anyone on CZcams.
@@ryanhursh6322 flicks or it didnt happen
i did not know this.... seems very petty... how can a sampler not have manual slicing?? that's the basics.. will just stick with the SP404 MK2
I produce music with lots of chord changes. Thats not something most/all elektron devices will do easily. Understandable if you are making one chord vamp EDM. Not sure if the II has addressed this.
A big part of the Elektron workflow is parameter locks per step. It’s insanely creative.
But that means it’s not suited to multiple note events per step.
I was disappointed also
Koala sampler. Ipad. All good.
Totally sucks bro. Now i can get otII with shittier sound and crossfader or better sounding dtII with no slice mode. Perfect
Hahaha, well put
No polyphony per track is extremely disappointing, moreso than this. No cross-fade on samples either so clicks will still need workarounds. Why do they do this, it's so close to being everything I've ever wanted in 1 box. It's still amazing but it could have been next level incredible. Usb transfer speed in 2024 is a joke too. Lots of good here but still so many oversights to drop the big bucks on yet
MPC One undefeated
Ngl I hate the mpc sequence workflow. It’s cool if you want to drum stuff live or make quantized beats but the micro timing adjustments and p locks are chefs kiss
Take away the powerful Elektron Sequencer (which I love) and focus solely on the sampling engine and the Digitakt II is pretty underwhelming when compared to other products in the same price range. I think Elektron are slowly moving into the Teenage Engineering space where you’re paying premium for the name alone… and sadly a lot of people are easily hoodwinked by this. I have 5 pieces of Elektron gear but they are starting to lose their lustre.
Elektron is the most over hyped company.
I thought that until I got the original DT. Having used most sequencers and samplers since 1990 the DT was a revelation.
The workflow suits me perfectly. Sold my other gear and replaced it all with more Elektron boxes.
Whatever floats your boat.
yeah at this point it's just ridiculous. im not going to buy one until they add it ... even if its the case that they plan it for an update, they at least need to be public about that and stop playing around.
@Elektron - grand here waiting for when you add it. I'm NEVER going to buy an OT, not interested.
I was last night too watching the release! haha The amount of functionality they packed from release is mindblowing. Not sure how fast I will jump on it because of prices here in Japan but I covers all my issues with the DT, stereo, more storage, amount of sounds, 16 tracks,...
Yeah, the price is quite steep. If it had a slice mode, I wouldn't mind paying it at all, but like this it's a tough sell.
I hope some features will come to the mk1…then I can just jump on one of those when the prices come down :D