@Philip Arvanitidis na actually clem is the loser cause she is pretty much useless in a fight now and is also 1 step ahead from dying (get it? step?), so no i wouldnt say that clem is not the loser in this
Lily is such a hypocrite in this conversation "It's not evil if you fight for what you love" then she says "Friends and love don't last." There's no reason to even try to shoot Lily, she deserves to fall victim to herself.
@@princessroxyvincenzo5602 Sure but that's only because she lived longer. But you are right, Larry at least didn't get others killed. It's true what they say, you either die a hero or live to be the villan.
BILCARTON lee’s bite hadn’t been cut off until hours after he had Been bit that’s why it didn’t work for him, Clem’s was about like Reggie’s from season 2 he got his arm cut off soon after he got bit so the virus didn’t have enough time to spread also with the massive cut on her leg the bite wasn’t able to effect her as fast
Or even better "Your dad would be ashamed of you!" "Gotta be just like your daddy, a piece of shit who nobody will mourn" "At least Lee died for something, your father died like the rat bastard he was!"
I don't think Clementine ever found that out. Lee nor the others told her that. Sure, she might be able to come to that conclusion, but there was never an instance that she was told that Ben screwed up.
@@Polomance862 It could depend on whether she was at Crawford to hear Ben confess or not. I usually just assume she knows...maybe Christa and Omid mentioned it during the long time they were with her
Agreed. That's the main thing I was a bit let down by I figured it'd be an epic final showdown with her if she were alive for Ep 4 but it's just one little scene and that's it.
@@BBTM951 ateast for me this episode was rushed also it was like other episodes whereas atleast I know that the final episode of season 2 was longer than this episode and that totally SUCKS
Da Duh Dingus I’d say it’s more Cutscene Incompetence. Clem’s a badass with a bow, but in this scene, she sucks balls at it. The raft isn’t moving fast enough to justify these misses.
That's what happens when you're in that situation, it's all justified, for what you love, etc. Until it all comes burning and crashing down, in this case literally.
I mean she is getting free ammo, plus she's the truth, she is wasting ammo with that awful aim. Stormtroopers could hit her--if anything. She's stating and throwing (common intelligence/forewarning her) comebacks. It's the most intelligent thing's she said
I wish Clem said something like "The only reason I'm letting you live is because whatever happens to you next will be worse than anything I'm capable of. You know it and I know it."
ckotherletters imagine saying something like “I’m only letting you live because that’s all your dad would’ve wanted. Shame he’d see you like this if he were still alive.”
where do u think all of those end up to when clementine picked items up? she doesnt have a backpack so im just assuming it all goes to where i think it goes. so she mustve got more arrows coming out of her...... yeah lol
@@mywigflewtoasia1300 It depends on what happened in your game. In the timeline where Louis lost his tongue I think she's very much hateable. In the timeline where she just brainwashed Violet, its not so bad. But I think its best to kill Lily period since she might come back.
Seeing Lilly's reactions to all the more savage lines is lowkey sad. Like she seems genuinely upset to have made Clementine an enemy. I actually kinda feel bad for her and I'm glad she's just riding off into the sunset.
I love how Lily is a foil to Clem. Clem found a home that she and AJ can be happy in, and it'll last as long as they work hard to keep it afloat. While Lily believed that nothing ever lasts and its doomed to fall apart, she'll probably be alone forever, sure she is surviving but she ain't living. I loved this finale so much, I'm seriously considering if this better than season 1.
Better than season 1? Are you serious? This season is terrible because the theme of the series is about survival. This season is so childist like "Home Alone" with some teenager kids defending their home, some teenager love story bullshit, the character development was terrible and the storyline was weak. Season 1 on the other hands was more mature, characters had to fight and struggled really hard to survive. Every single day in season 1 is about survival, conflicts within the group is the real threat and the constant attacks from the outsider, from the walkers make season 4 like a kid show. The character development in season 1 was thousand times better than this season, all of them were memorable and have their own personalities. And they ruined Lilly personality completely in this season.
@@blazefatal4848 I don't know man, it's probably one of the best written stories to come out in media in over the last 3 years or so. I'm personally fine with the setting and think the character development rhymes well with the first season but I think my main disagreement with you is holding Season 1 up on a pedestal in comparison to this game. Season 1 was good but wasn't a masterpiece. The "outsider" was shoehorned as a villain, and while it was interesting to hear a critical voice of in-game decisions, don't hold him up as an interesting antagonist. Episodes 1,2, and 5 were objectively good but 3-4 were incredibly tedious. Characters came and went, the only ones that had any meaningful development was Clementine and Kenny, possibly Ben and while it contained good ideas of its own, it sacrificed story in exchange for constant novelty. One of the reasons most people like 2nd episode in Season 1 the most is because you had a community to manage, time to learn and grow with them, and a place to go back to after dealing with the B.S. at the dairy farm. It was paced well. Season 4 is just as good if not better in that you really feel tied to a location, a community and the story flows incredibly well plus or minus a few areas. I'm sorry that you hated the fact that everyone involved are teens or younger as the main community, but I feel that's your main reason for hating the game. Season 1 was about train hopping to the coast (in some cases literally) as some retard or retards fuck up all your plans. It was good, but it felt more frustrating at times in comparison. I'd be interested in hearing how you think they ruined Lily's personality. Sure she changed, but she acted more or less how she did in the 1st season. Maybe you feel she should have been more loyal to Clem or less eager to shoot at her, but her behaviour was always kind of unstable and self-serving. Look back to the whole reason Carly or Doug got shot to begin with.
@@blazefatal4848 i agree that season 4 isnt better than season 1 but i dont think that season 4 was bad i think it was good because you can see clem taking lees place taking care of aj honestly season 4 and 1 were sad seasons
mmm, I wouldnt say this season is per se "better" than season 1. while I like the idea that Clementine is practically Lee's prodigy, it just doesn't deliver that gut wretching original story; it just doesn't feel right without Lee. I literally ugly cry every time I play it
In-Universe I feel like killing Lily IS the right thing to do. Sure, James will be mad, but Lily is petty and spiteful. She will just come back one day, with more troops.
I highly doubt it. As evil as she’s been this season there are still remnants of the old her deep down. When she recognizes Clementine in the woods, at the boarding school when she couldn’t shoot Clem and in this scene, you see it the most. She’s definitely not coming back to harm Clem in any way. Clem freakin spared her life it’s clear in this scene that it’s just over.
I said good luck, you may not like her but she’s from the original season, I try to keep them alive as much as I can. If you think about it, in my story Kenny and Lilly both lived, maybe they’ll run into each other😂😂😂
@@144phd8 No, Kenny can live. If you go into Wellington in season 2 there won't be a flashback of him dying in the crash in season 3 since you both parted ways.
@@144phd8 at the time of season 2 about 80% of players chose to go to Wellington with aj. After they found out Kenny was in season 3 they changed they're decisions so they could get kenny
I didn't even try to shoot her. Even after everything she did, revenge wasn't important. She was lost and alone and all it would have done is potentially mess up AJ. He was what was important, not revenge
I killed Lilly. Not because of james. I killed her for all the damage she done for everyone and for the harm she did at the school. I was debating whether or not Aj should kill her. But i killed her anyways. It was a hard choice to make though. On episode 4 james and clem actually fight and James got conflicted after hearing clem out. So he actually killed some walkers for her to help her and AJ escape. But overall at the End Aj is still a good kid and clem taught Aj that he should never like killing at all. So things kinda got resolved. The sad part is. In my game play Tenn got killed. But Louis and Violet both survived which i was happy about.
@@GabrielaHernandez-is4qq Yeah I preferred Violet and Louis but if AJ had killed Tenn I feel like he would always have a bit of a killer in his heart so sadly Violet died for me
@@GabrielaHernandez-is4qq Yeah it's so cool to know the decisions other people made and how differently they raised AJ. It's discussions like these that'll make me miss Telltale so much
Lilly is probably the most tragic character in the game. From the very beginning, she had a father she could always rely on, but later Kenny took that away from her. The worst thing is that Kenny didn't try to apologize to Lilly for killing Larry, but just said "I did what needed to be done" and that was it. Even Lee, if he helps Kenny, apologize to Lilly. From that moment on, Lilly became completely different, she began to distrust some members of the group and Kenny only made the situation worse by trying to become a leader again and leave the motel. After Lilly kills Carly/Doug, Lee can leave her on the road, devastated and betrayed by everyone. specially if she kills Doug by accident What she became in season 4 did not surprise me at all. Lilly is an example of how the apocalypse turns broken people into evil, simply because no one help her deal with trauma. Lee can kill Duck for Kenny, but no one did it for Lilly. Her father was killed not out of mercy, but because survival is important. And if you spare Lilly in the end, then she would be alone again. There's no way she's going back to the Delta. Lilly is definitely alive if you spare her. She adapted to the new world pretty quickly, but after losing her father and the group's attitude towards her, it took her in the wrong direction..
Lilly was a lost and broken woman. Maybe, like Clem and everyone else in the apocalypse, she went through a LOT of hell until she became a leader of the Delta. The apocalypse twisted her, and made her into a monster. She was a villain, but also a victim. I couldn't bring myself to kill her, even WITH those options. As much as I feel she deserved it, if anything, she deserves to live with this guilt. Like Negan in the show, she will hopefully finally realize the monster she became and hopefully redeem herself.
isolateddude She probably doesn’t since she is fighting for her community to survive. A community we haven’t exactly seen yet. She will do anything to make sure that it’s still standing. I wonder what that community is like if it’s making Lily want to defend it and turning Minerva into a monster who was seemingly a much better person before.
honestly i can't hate her, she's just a broken woman because of all the shit she's been through, before and after the apocalypse and that's just sad, i honestly hope she can find peace
I agreed, there are villains worst than Lily. Lily is a tragic villain who lost a dad, felt betrayed by one of her group members (Ben) who gave supplies to the bandits for "protection", and she became even more paranoid after she killed Carley/Doug in season 1. I hate how the developers rushed Lily character in season 4. I thought Clementine could either killed her or try to save Lily from herself, especially it would be nice to see if both Lily and James could survive if Clementine take the gun away from AJ's hands to help redeem Lily.
@@OrigamiRei951 Kinda like Abby from the last of us 2 when she lost her father and felt betrayed by her own friends as well for example like for killing Joel.
I let her escape to give her one last chance to redeem herself because she had nothing left. No army or anyone to protect her. It seemed it might’ve worked. I let her escape to let her fight her own demons and remember the humanity she had with the first group from S1. I understand why people don’t like Lilly but I like her because in my opinion, she was a good leader, a good friend to Lee and protected everybody in the first group back in season 1. However, I’ve started replaying it and it seems Kenny was a little bit of an asshole sometimes towards Lilly for no reason. Sure, he had a family to look out for but he was always an asshole to Lilly when she made good points about protecting everyone including his family. Especially when it comes survival. As I progressed on, if you tell the whole group the truth about your past (Lee’s crime), Lilly doesn’t turn on you at the RV after she kills either Carley or Doug. She says she forgives you and then tries to forgive Kenny after he killed her father. Basically, she’s not being a hypocrite but being honest that some people have blood on their hands as well as her own. It was fucked up how she killed Carley I can’t deny that but Carley shouldn’t have pushed her to the edge when Lilly was under stress being a leader as well as grieving for her father. Lilly did trust Carley until Ben came into the group. She didn’t hate her at all.
naaah not people doing the "she deserves a second chance, she wasn't that bad" sh1t, girls kill3d a lot of people who didn't even do anything to her. Kenny was an asshole too, but at least he didn't kill everyone who made him mad, unlike her (cof cof,,,, CARLEY).
@@obitoxshinobi8978 just like rapists who kill a large amount of children should get a “second chance”, don’t watch too much tv otherwise you won’t see the real world for what it is
Am I the only one who liked her? She was one of my favourite character in season 1 and I was really happy to see her in season 4 again even as a villain. Its sad there was no opportunity to bring her back into the family.
Lily's writing in Episode 3 was terrible, completely out of character and I have no idea what was going on with the writers. That being said, I'm grateful the writers came back to their senses and gave her a proper farewell scene for Episode 4. She's arguably got the most depth out of any Telltale TWD character and that's why she's my favorite.
I really hoped Lilly was going to be more than just an antagonist with her showing that she didnt want to hurt clem in Episode 2, but it’s like they ignored that in the following episodes. I still love Lilly’s character, she’s one of my favorites from the series. I wish she had a bigger role in this episode, but her ending is fitting. She leaves an abandons her people by herself, just like how she left with the RV in season one if you kept her with you.
Make me so sad to see Lilly like that. I loved her with my all heart and now she just broken. I always do good things with her in season 1 and this season too 'cause she still my favorite character :(. . .
at the first choice, Clem said that Lily is a coward for abandoning her people. Lily replied by saying that's something she learn from Lee. I wonder what would be her reply if we didn't abandon her in the first place 🤔
She says not to waste time and effort on friends love or family as they don't last and drag you down. Her fear consumed her and she refuses to face it. She rejects a redemption arc.
Her reply doesn't make any sense. Lee abandoned her because she was a psycho bitch that killed someone for no reason. Her people, on the other hand, were nothing but loyal to her even though she is a psycho and if anything, THEY should have abandoned HER. They didn't deserve to be abandoned like that. She can't compare herself to lee in this situation because these two situations were not similar circumstances whatsoever
Brice Morgan lee is a murderer too. Who isnt at this point? AJ is also a murderer. So is Clementine. But why is Kenny the bad one? I mean lee killed even before the zombies came about as well.
Unpopular opinion: Lily and Carver were my favorite two villain characters of the entire series, almost two of my favorites in general. Carver and Lily teach important lessons. Their intentions are strong willed and the kind of mindset you NEED in order to survive the apocalypse. They knew when to make sacrifices, how to fight for their people, and how to fight for a community. Yeah, maybe Carver was brutal, and Lily was a little heartless. But it's how you stay alive. Clem has made some heartless choices that have gotten her this far. She's done brutal things to keep her alive. These two antagonists are just some of the best. They aren't wrong, but they aren't good at all.
But Lilly sunk to the lowest of lows though. She’s even more evil than Carver. Kidnapping, manipulating, and torturing children and going as far as trying to kill them? She kinda makes Carver look like the good guy “almost” imo. Not implying at all that he’s actually a good guy of course but hopefully I got my point across.... As much as I didn’t wanna kill Lilly and wanted a redemption arc, she just truly deserved to die.
@@abovethelaw4417 definitely. I liked the views he had. as much as clem or the players didn't like it, his way of survival was a good strategy. they just kept messing up for themselves. All that was really asked was behave, and you'll be put in a job, have somewhere to sleep, and food to eat.
@@TheScoun16 I liked the way she thought tho. She only wanted to protect her people and her home. Kidnapping was wrong. But she had a good view on it. Kids are easier to get on your side because they need safety and food when they can't do it all alone. Just like Carver, she really was only asking them to do a job, and they are well fed and taken care of. Telltale was so good at writing villains that they made it seem as if she was all bad for just good intentions in a messed up version of the world.
ThePrinceOfXing Indeed....it truly is good to see that out of all of the pure evil she’s done, there are still remnants of her old self deep down at least. I was shocked at that part honestly 😮
Dreckiger Dan yeah and I understand that but she’s still evil. She’s definitely not how she was S1 and I understand why but she definitely became a evil version of herself
I’m honestly so sad they made Lily the villain (even though it makes sense in a way). She was my favorite in season one and I hoped we’d see her later on after she was gone in episode 3. Then she did return I was so happy and sad at the same time. She was just so tough, a decent leader, and kind of relatable to me in certain parts. That’s just me though.
Even James has a rough conflict with Clementine (when Lilly was killed), this is why I prefer killing Lilly, and I don't regret it. She has no chance of changing, and she will live the rest of her life full of hate and being mean. James, on the other hand, has some part that he can change.
But james dies either way, if he defends us from walkers, the walkers still follow us meaning James got bit and turned into a walker either way. James would also abandon us and would be hostile towards us
I’m honestly shocked they didn’t let one of the arrows kill her. You’d think that after Season 2 where you can shoot Kent AFTER he kills Jane, that the devs would let you kill as many original characters as you could.
@@Ugh718: True but after season 2 where everything is over with and the game still lets you kill Kenny, I figured the game developers would be jumping at the opportunity to kill Lily because they just want to remove all the original characters.
Clementine: “What was it that Lee said all those years ago? Oh yeah, you’re not coming with us...” Lilly: “But I’ll die Ou-“ *remembers the conversation* Clementine: *Scumbag smiles* “I don’t care.” Lily: *Triggered noises*
@Adina Maria they left the door open for a possible new series saying that Clementine group found another group and wanted to approach them, but Clem's story is over, she obviously can't do much anymore with just one leg so if there will be a sequel the new character will be AJ.
Da Duh Dingus What Lilly said about “nothing lasts, not friends, not love , not home “ is a fact in real life aswell because if u live long enough ur family,team,group etc will all die and u will be all alone
we really need a DLC for Lilly to find out what she does after she leaves here, maybe she shows regret and realizes all the terrible things she's done or if james is still alive for you then it's a DLC for James on what he does after leaving that cave since I believe it's confirmed he doesn't die in there
Everybody shitting on Lilly, but I actually feel bad for her. Seeing how hardened she got years after, makes you think what horrible shit she’s been through. A lone woman out there on her own. It’s sad she turned into a sociopath like this, I never really disliked her in the 1st season, in fact, I agreed in some things with her. Goodbye, Lilly. Like Clem said, “I hope you find peace”.
@@ArmenAdler Everyone's capable of killing:Physically(well except disabled people in like a wheelchair or whatever I guess...). Mentally is a WHOOOLE nother agenda however...
@@olivianystrom439 I legit have a crush on Violet. One of the very few times I was attached to a character that much. Probably of how cute and intimate she was and that she reminded me of myself.
I do. I see her as a tragic villain because I think she represents how the apocalypse can turn you into a monster even though before you were a caring person e.g the way she treated Clem in season 1. It’s why I let her live as I felt bad for her as she began to realise the evil she had done
I actually let her live in my playthrough. I don't even know why I just felt like I've seen so much Walking Dead at this point from the comics to the show to the game and everytime I see a villain and the things they do I want to kill them so bad but it ends up being the right thing to do to let them live. It's just a very mature and noble thing to do tbh and it might make Lily end up a better person because of it.
What if there's a 5th episode (DLC) where you play as javi on richmond and you meet lilly/james and recruit one of them?, there's a lot to exploit with twd universe, so many characters with unknown fates: mike,arvo,molly,christa.... and more
@@ajxx9987 Yes. The end of Clementine and everybody who took part in her story. If there was to be more TWD. It would be a separate thing, a re-boot. Like Life Is Strange 2... And LIS 2 is awful. I don't want there to be more. It will ruin the uniqueness of TWD.
I'm betting Arvo's dead, he betrays you if you don't take his medicine so you can bet he'll try to screw over Mike and Bonnie, that is if Kenny didn't shoot Arvo on the spot, which I feel like he would have.
Aidan Cavanagh they don’t have to continue her story there’s still AJ, James(if he doesn’t die in your play through), and lily(if she doesn’t die in your play through) or they could just have dlc’s about lily after she got kicked out of lee’s group or James when he was in that other group. I don’t think they will have a whole other game but they can still make short dlc’s to add to the story
Ashina Singh you’re a good person. I mean, I still don’t hate Lilly after all the things she’s done. We see that she has a good side too. That’s why I don’t hate her. I hope we’ll see her again in a DLC
"This apocalypse...it gets to you in the worst ways ever imagined! It breaks you and changes who you truly are for the worst! There is no place for innocence in this cursed world!"
"Where's the rest of your squad?" "OK, so basically we went on that recruiting raid you ordered us to go on, and got BTFO by a gang of (mostly) unarmed teenagers, who then blew up our ship and left everyone but me to be eaten alive by walkers. Will you please let me back in?"
If the ending was supposed to have Clem and AJ live in a good place for a long time and if Lily is possibility reconsidering her life choices, then she could lied to the Delta about what happened to the kids which could keep them safe.
Low-key was hoping for a salty comment about how much Lily loved leading people/something about Kenny and Lee Such as: 'Enjoy your followers of boxes, *insult here*' 'At least you don't have to worry about Kenny fighting for power with you' 'Sucks that you don't have Lee to fix everything when everything goes down-hill for you and your pose of boxes. Just don't complain about the best box when they lead the group to survival and kick you out of the pose because you do the complete opposite of helping them survive' Extra burn: 'Well none of those boxes are gonna kill/help you save Larry'
That woman has so much hate in her heart, it’s ridiculous. Like, does she not feel regret for killing Carly or Doug anymore? Does losing her father for the group to survive make her not care about other lives? Either way, it seems like letting her live is a better option.
I'm guessing she dies trying to get back to the Delta, or her people kill her when she got back. I think it's either of the two because of the option for her to die in the last episode
No matter what you do she will survive. Well I don't like these choices but I killed Lilly before and I don't regret. Clementine is right. She is a coward. She tried to be strong but she is just a litte girl. She should take an example from Lee and help someone but instead, she became a monster. She was a coward and babykiller. I'm glad AJ killed her.
Lilly become anti-hero to villain like I said screw her. If she would've cared for Clem, she wouldn't hurt her and not done some bad decisions but Lilly is lost after her father's death.
I remember she says *"Why would you start a battle you can't win?"* or something along the lines of pettiness towards Clem, but she's literally fighting teenagers i'm-
I let her live. After all the people that I've known from the beginning and second time. Lilly is the only one left (Christa is most likely dead) and unfortunately, despite all this chaos, I think Lilly still knows that Clem is the only thing that is keeping her from killing herself as well. So despite all this shit. Lilly I forgive you.
Lily isn't that bad of a person. You can tell by Clem's comments at the end that she is definitely hurt when Clem hoped she could find peace in her life. She had many chances to kill Clem but chose not to.
@@excykz1541 lily is a accurate representation of that kind of person in the world. She is a predator. Many everyday people are like lily but keep it repressed. It shows without good authority how cruel the lilies or jack become
dkblade27 BUT she cut Louis his tongue out and because of Lilly lose Violet/Louis his finger! (no hate) (Sorry for my bad English,I still learning in the school :D)
I don’t know why but i feel bad for Lily, i know she was a psychotic but i think she was like that because she always was alone and abuse by his father
Aww it's already the final season and there is still somethings I'm questioning. Like is Christa really dead!??? Or what happened to the javiet and his family, or will there ever be a season 5 of the walking dead. We will never know
And there are no answers to what happened to Arvo, Bonnie, or Mike, I wanted to see a showdown but I guess Telltale didn't care about ending some loose threads
For Javier during clem flashback of her After taking back AJ in the car she said "she wont going back to richmond because they are in warzone" so probably dead :P
Never mind the darkness Never mind the books red moon The NIGHT will be over soon! I have that song written on my poster of the walking dead.I loved this series so much😭
Desmond Warren I need a dlc for the characters that are still out there, arvos group, people from 400 days, Christa and Molly... i’m a curious person so this is so hard to handle for mexD
@@PolishGuy Maybe have Kenny and Lily only in the scenarios where they may still live. If you go into Wellington alone, Kenny would have to fend for himself, it's possible the Florida man can make it, and Lily's been hardened like never before, and with experience, she might actually make it out of there alive, leading up to a special one where all the pieces comes together, you might even get to pick whoever you want, or introduce a newcomer to take the player role. It's all hypothetical and we may never get this, but interesting to think about.
Satisfaction and a reference to the dairy farm in one line and action. If you saved your arrows till the third shot, you get to take the shot yourself, Clem yells “I’ve waited 8 years for this!” And nails Lilly with an arrow in the eye. But 🎵Plot ✨Armor🎵
Too bad Lee is dead. After finishing second season I regretted that earlier I was on the side of Kenny. But now I don't regret that I supported Kenny in the first season. Lilly is even worse than him. If Lee knew what monsters would become Lilly and Kenny, he would have killed them before to protect Clementine. The worst of it is that in this scene Clem repeated Lee's mistake. She let Lilly go
Really? I and many others think this was as good as Season 1. If not a bit better. It was so well done. Choices actually mattered. Characters were interesting. Story-line and the gameplay was obviously more advanced and just improved. I didn't find it disappointing at all.
Aidan Cavanagh Ok I’ll give you that choices somewhat close matter but this season felt super rushed and I was able to complete the game in a grand total time from episode 1-4 in half the time it took for me to play S1. I loved Lee and while I adore Clem I hate how AJ has this murdering spree that doesn’t make much sense at all not to mention he’s an asshat and doesn’t seem to care for Clem as much as Clem cared for Lee. S4 was great but as a finale I am disappointed and I think S1 is the best season. S4 I hoped to be better.
i remember i was so fucking angry with lilly when he stole the van, i promised myself that if i ever get a chance to kill lilly i'd do it in a heartbeat. but 3 seasons later when i finally have lilly at my mercy, i couldn't bring myself to kill her. i forgave her and even told her good luck. after seeing the character's fates at the credit screen and knowing what lilly feels after all that (regretful) i think i made the right choice.
Episode 2: "You'll die protecting him...."
Episode 4: *Clem gets bitten but still survives*
True
She wasn't wrong lol she would've died but AJ saved her.
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@Philip Arvanitidis na actually clem is the loser cause she is pretty much useless in a fight now and is also 1 step ahead from dying (get it? step?), so no i wouldnt say that clem is not the loser in this
*_well yes,but actually no_*
Clementine's shooting skill:
Walkers-Perfect
Bandits-Perfect
Lily- Dafuq clem??
Lucas Asuncion bandits-raiders
Lucas Asuncion raiders HELL NAH
Lily-storm trooper
Lily got the gift of plot armor
I think it's more like she couldn't kill her because although she was a dick she was one of Clem's first friends in thw new world
Lily is such a hypocrite in this conversation "It's not evil if you fight for what you love" then she says "Friends and love don't last." There's no reason to even try to shoot Lily, she deserves to fall victim to herself.
She's dead in my game and I don't regret. I hated her from the beginning and after everything she did, I think that she was worse than Larry.
@@princessroxyvincenzo5602 Larry was an open racist. If this wasn't a game, he would've called Lee a you know what.
@@EnderWarden I know but still think that Lilly was sooo worse. Larry was just an asshole and Lilly? She was a murder, babykiller and a monster.
@@princessroxyvincenzo5602 Sure but that's only because she lived longer. But you are right, Larry at least didn't get others killed. It's true what they say, you either die a hero or live to be the villan.
She loves herself!
Lee: dies when bite
Clem: bitten and lives
Lee:
Still not bitten
She survived because the blood was gushing out of her leg instead of rushing straight to her brain that’s why cutting her leg was successful
IReupZz So in conclusion...If Minerva never cut her leg as bad as she did ... Clem would have died.
Da'maree Merriweather yes thats how close of a call it was
BILCARTON lee’s bite hadn’t been cut off until hours after he had Been bit that’s why it didn’t work for him, Clem’s was about like Reggie’s from season 2 he got his arm cut off soon after he got bit so the virus didn’t have enough time to spread also with the massive cut on her leg the bite wasn’t able to effect her as fast
You know what would’ve pissed off Lily to make her shoot Clem?
“It was Ben all along”
hahahaha
Nah it would've been "what would your father think?"
Or even better
"Your dad would be ashamed of you!"
"Gotta be just like your daddy, a piece of shit who nobody will mourn"
"At least Lee died for something, your father died like the rat bastard he was!"
I don't think Clementine ever found that out. Lee nor the others told her that.
Sure, she might be able to come to that conclusion, but there was never an instance that she was told that Ben screwed up.
@@Polomance862 It could depend on whether she was at Crawford to hear Ben confess or not. I usually just assume she knows...maybe Christa and Omid mentioned it during the long time they were with her
Lilly's both outcomes were kinda anticlimactic for how big of an antagonist she was.
Yea like she is killed real fast and lefts the boat like nothing
Agreed. That's the main thing I was a bit let down by I figured it'd be an epic final showdown with her if she were alive for Ep 4 but it's just one little scene and that's it.
@@BBTM951 ateast for me this episode was rushed also it was like other episodes whereas atleast I know that the final episode of season 2 was longer than this episode and that totally SUCKS
DoinkyBoi
Yh but season 4 was way better than s2 because s2 was mostly trash episodes like ep 4 s2 especially
That's what Minnie was for
Should've renamed the video to "Clementine's Superior Stormtrooper Aim".
Da Duh Dingus I’d say it’s more Cutscene Incompetence.
Clem’s a badass with a bow, but in this scene, she sucks balls at it. The raft isn’t moving fast enough to justify these misses.
TacticianDaraen guessing your not an archer, it does make sense but the short version I’ll give u is the bow is to weak to hit that distance.
*s u p e r i o r*
nah, a stormtrooper wouldn't even hit the raft
You know shooting with a bow is way harder then shooting with a actual fire weapon lol
At the end of the video, Lilly really looks like she is starting to realise how bad she was.
Tombstone Myers yeah
That's what happens when you're in that situation, it's all justified, for what you love, etc. Until it all comes burning and crashing down, in this case literally.
H
Tombstone Myers and that’s why it’s better to let her live with it.
Too bad it didnt go anywhere xD
Lily is hella childish.
*clem shoots at her*
“Thanks, i needed the ammo!”
*shoots again*
“🎵 You’re wasting your arrows! 🎵 “
She's great x'D
LMAO
😂😂😂😂 best comment
I mean she is getting free ammo, plus she's the truth, she is wasting ammo with that awful aim. Stormtroopers could hit her--if anything. She's stating and throwing (common intelligence/forewarning her) comebacks. It's the most intelligent thing's she said
Like lots of adults irl
Clem should have reference a salt lick to Lily. Induce more salt
Then she would've insulted Lee (if you helped Kenny kill Larry) enraging Clementine.
isolateddude
But she did just technically insult lee by saying she learned about abandoning people from him
She can’t be compared to a salt lick if she is one.
@@Stuwie-uu3oe Ah crap, i forgot.
The real Lee Everett Like her father am I right Lee?
3:43 Clem: You're pathetic Lilly, I hope you can live with yourself
AJ: *I HOPE YOU GET BIT OUT THERE*
Aj is extra x'D
Aj is a savage
I love it when AJ says that lol
Aj gonna be ruthless when hes older
Huh, same to you kiddo!
Personally I think Clem saying "If I see you again I'll kill you" really hit Lilly hard man
3:33
You can truly hear the brokenness in her voice too!
TheScoun16 lilly contracted depression
Hope it did since we can't kill her
I wish Clem said something like "The only reason I'm letting you live is because whatever happens to you next will be worse than anything I'm capable of. You know it and I know it."
ckotherletters imagine saying something like “I’m only letting you live because that’s all your dad would’ve wanted. Shame he’d see you like this if he were still alive.”
Does Clem have like, infinite arrows? XD
Does Hershel have infinet shotgun bullets
she has infinity on her bow
where do u think all of those end up to when clementine picked items up? she doesnt have a backpack so im just assuming it all goes to where i think it goes. so she mustve got more arrows coming out of her...... yeah lol
Yes
When we grab stuff just know...all of us are equipped with an invisible backpack that never comes off.
**Clem shoots Lilly and misses**
Lee: “Dammit Clem!”
I mean, he teached her to use a gun, not bow.
Noone:
Lilly: SoMbOdY hAs bEeN sTeAliNg OUr SupPlieS
Wait wrong season
DDLC Protagonist I think it might be Ben.
😂😂👌🏽
Season 1 Ben did that
Kenny : *dropped the salt lick*
Wait wrong episode
@@killinglyre Lily: *BANG* shoot Carly oh wait wrong moment
As much as I hate Lily, I can't help but find her entertaining.
BlackWingedSeraph Ikr! She should have been more in this episode :/
Me too
Tbh, atleasr too me, she isn't even worth being mad at.
Lmao
@@mywigflewtoasia1300 It depends on what happened in your game. In the timeline where Louis lost his tongue I think she's very much hateable. In the timeline where she just brainwashed Violet, its not so bad. But I think its best to kill Lily period since she might come back.
@@BlackWingedSeraphX Nah, i think this is it. This is the end of the series.
Lilly: "You're wasting arrows".
Me: "You're wasting words".
Milan Saunders words cost nothing, arrows can cost survival.
Enough your clem with infinite arrows 😂
found it pretty cool that I kept Clementine and Lilly, 2 characters all the way from Season 1 Episode 1 still alive at the final episode.
There needs to be a Season 5
BlackWingedSeraph this’ the final Season, no point sadly
@@BlackWingedSeraphX No there definitely doesn't need to be.
BlackWingedSeraph telltale went bankrupt they can’t
AND GLEN no im jk
Hershel : I have infinite shotgun bullets!
Clem : Well, i have infinite arrows!
Minnie: i have infinite pistol ammo!
Darryl:
Ced Fish glen: I have infinite lives...wait
Seeing Lilly's reactions to all the more savage lines is lowkey sad. Like she seems genuinely upset to have made Clementine an enemy. I actually kinda feel bad for her and I'm glad she's just riding off into the sunset.
Same!!
The Marker i dont feel sad for her at all. Im really pissed u cant clem kill her.
I'm not sad about her, she's a monster. I only let her live because I didn't want aj to pull the trigger
She's brainwashing kids into becoming soldiers, and that doesn't count the rest of the shitty things she did before. She can go to hell.
She stabbed an unarmed man in the back just when he was trying to fix this situation and save lily
I love how Lily is a foil to Clem. Clem found a home that she and AJ can be happy in, and it'll last as long as they work hard to keep it afloat. While Lily believed that nothing ever lasts and its doomed to fall apart, she'll probably be alone forever, sure she is surviving but she ain't living. I loved this finale so much, I'm seriously considering if this better than season 1.
Better than season 1? Are you serious?
This season is terrible because the theme of the series is about survival. This season is so childist like "Home Alone" with some teenager kids defending their home, some teenager love story bullshit, the character development was terrible and the storyline was weak.
Season 1 on the other hands was more mature, characters had to fight and struggled really hard to survive. Every single day in season 1 is about survival, conflicts within the group is the real threat and the constant attacks from the outsider, from the walkers make season 4 like a kid show. The character development in season 1 was thousand times better than this season, all of them were memorable and have their own personalities. And they ruined Lilly personality completely in this season.
@@blazefatal4848 Then don't play it.
@@blazefatal4848 I don't know man, it's probably one of the best written stories to come out in media in over the last 3 years or so. I'm personally fine with the setting and think the character development rhymes well with the first season but I think my main disagreement with you is holding Season 1 up on a pedestal in comparison to this game.
Season 1 was good but wasn't a masterpiece. The "outsider" was shoehorned as a villain, and while it was interesting to hear a critical voice of in-game decisions, don't hold him up as an interesting antagonist. Episodes 1,2, and 5 were objectively good but 3-4 were incredibly tedious. Characters came and went, the only ones that had any meaningful development was Clementine and Kenny, possibly Ben and while it contained good ideas of its own, it sacrificed story in exchange for constant novelty. One of the reasons most people like 2nd episode in Season 1 the most is because you had a community to manage, time to learn and grow with them, and a place to go back to after dealing with the B.S. at the dairy farm. It was paced well.
Season 4 is just as good if not better in that you really feel tied to a location, a community and the story flows incredibly well plus or minus a few areas. I'm sorry that you hated the fact that everyone involved are teens or younger as the main community, but I feel that's your main reason for hating the game. Season 1 was about train hopping to the coast (in some cases literally) as some retard or retards fuck up all your plans. It was good, but it felt more frustrating at times in comparison.
I'd be interested in hearing how you think they ruined Lily's personality. Sure she changed, but she acted more or less how she did in the 1st season. Maybe you feel she should have been more loyal to Clem or less eager to shoot at her, but her behaviour was always kind of unstable and self-serving. Look back to the whole reason Carly or Doug got shot to begin with.
@@blazefatal4848 i agree that season 4 isnt better than season 1 but i dont think that season 4 was bad i think it was good because you can see clem taking lees place taking care of aj honestly season 4 and 1 were sad seasons
mmm, I wouldnt say this season is per se "better" than season 1. while I like the idea that Clementine is practically Lee's prodigy, it just doesn't deliver that gut wretching original story; it just doesn't feel right without Lee. I literally ugly cry every time I play it
In-Universe I feel like killing Lily IS the right thing to do. Sure, James will be mad, but Lily is petty and spiteful. She will just come back one day, with more troops.
She won't forget Clementine sparing her she won't go search for her anymore.
I highly doubt it. As evil as she’s been this season there are still remnants of the old her deep down. When she recognizes Clementine in the woods, at the boarding school when she couldn’t shoot Clem and in this scene, you see it the most. She’s definitely not coming back to harm Clem in any way. Clem freakin spared her life it’s clear in this scene that it’s just over.
its heavily implied that she gives up on the delta and survives alone
I don't think she'll come back. She probably won't even return to Delta, as she thinks they will lose the war without the soldiers they need.
she didn’t spare her life lmfao she jus couldn’t shoot her from that distance
Hey at least Lilly didn't try to steal AJ and walk away nor throw a punch at you in this episode
If she takes AJ she will probably get bitten by AJ again xD
Yeah, i didn't expect James to be like that.
Cuthulu Xd Honestly feel like that was some contrived conflict completely out of left field.
I said good luck, you may not like her but she’s from the original season, I try to keep them alive as much as I can.
If you think about it, in my story Kenny and Lilly both lived, maybe they’ll run into each other😂😂😂
how did kenny live tho?
Yeah it’s impossible for Kenny to survive 🤔
@@144phd8 No, Kenny can live. If you go into Wellington in season 2 there won't be a flashback of him dying in the crash in season 3 since you both parted ways.
edgy
Oh ok, ‘cause I chose to travel alongside Kenny and totally forgot about beef Wellington...
@@144phd8 at the time of season 2 about 80% of players chose to go to Wellington with aj. After they found out Kenny was in season 3 they changed they're decisions so they could get kenny
I didn't even try to shoot her. Even after everything she did, revenge wasn't important. She was lost and alone and all it would have done is potentially mess up AJ. He was what was important, not revenge
I killed Lilly. Not because of james. I killed her for all the damage she done for everyone and for the harm she did at the school. I was debating whether or not Aj should kill her. But i killed her anyways. It was a hard choice to make though. On episode 4 james and clem actually fight and James got conflicted after hearing clem out. So he actually killed some walkers for her to help her and AJ escape. But overall at the End Aj is still a good kid and clem taught Aj that he should never like killing at all. So things kinda got resolved. The sad part is. In my game play Tenn got killed. But Louis and Violet both survived which i was happy about.
@@GabrielaHernandez-is4qq Yeah I preferred Violet and Louis but if AJ had killed Tenn I feel like he would always have a bit of a killer in his heart so sadly Violet died for me
@@Pepsi_Man_Max I agree I felt horrible when Aj killed Tenn. I didn't know what to do. I was thinking that Aj is now turning into a killer.
@@GabrielaHernandez-is4qq Yeah it's so cool to know the decisions other people made and how differently they raised AJ. It's discussions like these that'll make me miss Telltale so much
AJ is the worst character ever, I would kill him if I could
3:46 AJ😂😂
🤣🤣
He's so annoying
Immagonko No he’s not
😂
Episode 2: Lilly - "You'll die protecting him..."
Episode 4: AJ protecting Clem from hundred walkers and saved her even after she gets bitten.
That's the one thing she didn't account for, while her and Clem were born into the apocalypse, AJ was born dead in the middle of it, no pun intended.
@@juanluis21monsanto98 Plot twist:Aj is secretly a walker lol
Lilly is probably the most tragic character in the game. From the very beginning, she had a father she could always rely on, but later Kenny took that away from her. The worst thing is that Kenny didn't try to apologize to Lilly for killing Larry, but just said "I did what needed to be done" and that was it. Even Lee, if he helps Kenny, apologize to Lilly. From that moment on, Lilly became completely different, she began to distrust some members of the group and Kenny only made the situation worse by trying to become a leader again and leave the motel. After Lilly kills Carly/Doug, Lee can leave her on the road, devastated and betrayed by everyone. specially if she kills Doug by accident
What she became in season 4 did not surprise me at all. Lilly is an example of how the apocalypse turns broken people into evil, simply because no one help her deal with trauma. Lee can kill Duck for Kenny, but no one did it for Lilly. Her father was killed not out of mercy, but because survival is important. And if you spare Lilly in the end, then she would be alone again. There's no way she's going back to the Delta. Lilly is definitely alive if you spare her. She adapted to the new world pretty quickly, but after losing her father and the group's attitude towards her, it took her in the wrong direction..
You summed her character up PERFECTLY
Professional reddit forum user right here
@@RandomZay2 Never used reddit. Just own thoughts, that's all.
I spare her not because I feel sad for her but to keep the promise to James won't be a killer and that ended bad
She’s still killed many innocent people so yeah I still she deserve to die she literally back stab James
Lilly was a lost and broken woman. Maybe, like Clem and everyone else in the apocalypse, she went through a LOT of hell until she became a leader of the Delta. The apocalypse twisted her, and made her into a monster. She was a villain, but also a victim. I couldn't bring myself to kill her, even WITH those options. As much as I feel she deserved it, if anything, she deserves to live with this guilt. Like Negan in the show, she will hopefully finally realize the monster she became and hopefully redeem herself.
She stabbed James and held Clementine at gunpoint afterwards, so i doubt she regrets anything. Fuck her.
isolateddude She probably doesn’t since she is fighting for her community to survive. A community we haven’t exactly seen yet. She will do anything to make sure that it’s still standing. I wonder what that community is like if it’s making Lily want to defend it and turning Minerva into a monster who was seemingly a much better person before.
Lilly was always a good character until Kenny had killed her father and after that she became mad.
suffer it was AJ, actually
Василий Шулик PREACH
I really need a dlc for Lilly, i have to find out what happened to her...
Tsumugi Shirogane Me too!
SPOILERS
hi Junko Enoshima the 53rd
@@Raptor-04 I'm a perfect reproduction!
Tsumugi Shirogane maybe she’ll meet Kenny if you don’t go with him.
Probably never
honestly i can't hate her, she's just a broken woman because of all the shit she's been through, before and after the apocalypse and that's just sad, i honestly hope she can find peace
I agreed, there are villains worst than Lily. Lily is a tragic villain who lost a dad, felt betrayed by one of her group members (Ben) who gave supplies to the bandits for "protection", and she became even more paranoid after she killed Carley/Doug in season 1. I hate how the developers rushed Lily character in season 4. I thought Clementine could either killed her or try to save Lily from herself, especially it would be nice to see if both Lily and James could survive if Clementine take the gun away from AJ's hands to help redeem Lily.
@@OrigamiRei951 Kinda like Abby from the last of us 2 when she lost her father and felt betrayed by her own friends as well for example like for killing Joel.
@@briyanapanton7437 it was Joel fault for killing innocent doctor lol
@@obitoxshinobi8978 that doctor wasn’t innocent,and newsflash he pulled a knife on Joel, He was going to kill an innocent child
@@obitoxshinobi8978 Innocent doctors don't try to kill children without telling them
I let her escape to give her one last chance to redeem herself because she had nothing left. No army or anyone to protect her. It seemed it might’ve worked. I let her escape to let her fight her own demons and remember the humanity she had with the first group from S1. I understand why people don’t like Lilly but I like her because in my opinion, she was a good leader, a good friend to Lee and protected everybody in the first group back in season 1. However, I’ve started replaying it and it seems Kenny was a little bit of an asshole sometimes towards Lilly for no reason. Sure, he had a family to look out for but he was always an asshole to Lilly when she made good points about protecting everyone including his family. Especially when it comes survival. As I progressed on, if you tell the whole group the truth about your past (Lee’s crime), Lilly doesn’t turn on you at the RV after she kills either Carley or Doug. She says she forgives you and then tries to forgive Kenny after he killed her father. Basically, she’s not being a hypocrite but being honest that some people have blood on their hands as well as her own. It was fucked up how she killed Carley I can’t deny that but Carley shouldn’t have pushed her to the edge when Lilly was under stress being a leader as well as grieving for her father. Lilly did trust Carley until Ben came into the group. She didn’t hate her at all.
Good choice I will do that too
people should get a second chance
naaah not people doing the "she deserves a second chance, she wasn't that bad" sh1t, girls kill3d a lot of people who didn't even do anything to her. Kenny was an asshole too, but at least he didn't kill everyone who made him mad, unlike her (cof cof,,,, CARLEY).
@@obitoxshinobi8978 not people who have killed multiple people just because tho
@@obitoxshinobi8978 just like rapists who kill a large amount of children should get a “second chance”, don’t watch too much tv otherwise you won’t see the real world for what it is
“Something I learned from Lee, when he left me on the road.” Oh you mean when he left you on the road after you murdered Carley/Doug?
Clem: Got bit but survives
*Lee will remember that*
Am I the only one who liked her? She was one of my favourite character in season 1 and I was really happy to see her in season 4 again even as a villain. Its sad there was no opportunity to bring her back into the family.
Lily's writing in Episode 3 was terrible, completely out of character and I have no idea what was going on with the writers. That being said, I'm grateful the writers came back to their senses and gave her a proper farewell scene for Episode 4. She's arguably got the most depth out of any Telltale TWD character and that's why she's my favorite.
@@ross4598 Well it has been many years since they last met and after her exile/self exile she probably grew jaded and even more evil.
I'm sorry but she cut off Louis' tongue and that was a bit too far
I really hoped Lilly was going to be more than just an antagonist with her showing that she didnt want to hurt clem in Episode 2, but it’s like they ignored that in the following episodes. I still love Lilly’s character, she’s one of my favorites from the series. I wish she had a bigger role in this episode, but her ending is fitting. She leaves an abandons her people by herself, just like how she left with the RV in season one if you kept her with you.
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Make me so sad to see Lilly like that. I loved her with my all heart and now she just broken.
I always do good things with her in season 1 and this season too 'cause she still my favorite character :(. . .
at the first choice, Clem said that Lily is a coward for abandoning her people. Lily replied by saying that's something she learn from Lee. I wonder what would be her reply if we didn't abandon her in the first place 🤔
She says not to waste time and effort on friends love or family as they don't last and drag you down. Her fear consumed her and she refuses to face it. She rejects a redemption arc.
Her reply doesn't make any sense. Lee abandoned her because she was a psycho bitch that killed someone for no reason. Her people, on the other hand, were nothing but loyal to her even though she is a psycho and if anything, THEY should have abandoned HER. They didn't deserve to be abandoned like that. She can't compare herself to lee in this situation because these two situations were not similar circumstances whatsoever
IIRC She steals the RV if you don't leave her so it doesn't matter
Manal Farraj don’t forget, Kenny is a f-ing murderer. He’s responsible for why you all think Lilly is “evil”
Brice Morgan lee is a murderer too. Who isnt at this point?
AJ is also a murderer. So is Clementine. But why is Kenny the bad one?
I mean lee killed even before the zombies came about as well.
Unpopular opinion: Lily and Carver were my favorite two villain characters of the entire series, almost two of my favorites in general. Carver and Lily teach important lessons. Their intentions are strong willed and the kind of mindset you NEED in order to survive the apocalypse. They knew when to make sacrifices, how to fight for their people, and how to fight for a community. Yeah, maybe Carver was brutal, and Lily was a little heartless. But it's how you stay alive. Clem has made some heartless choices that have gotten her this far. She's done brutal things to keep her alive. These two antagonists are just some of the best. They aren't wrong, but they aren't good at all.
You either die a hero (Lee and Kenny) or live long enough to see yourself become the villain (Lilly, Carver, etc.) in this world.
Carver was a better villain than Lilly
But Lilly sunk to the lowest of lows though. She’s even more evil than Carver. Kidnapping, manipulating, and torturing children and going as far as trying to kill them? She kinda makes Carver look like the good guy “almost” imo. Not implying at all that he’s actually a good guy of course but hopefully I got my point across....
As much as I didn’t wanna kill Lilly and wanted a redemption arc, she just truly deserved to die.
@@abovethelaw4417 definitely. I liked the views he had. as much as clem or the players didn't like it, his way of survival was a good strategy. they just kept messing up for themselves. All that was really asked was behave, and you'll be put in a job, have somewhere to sleep, and food to eat.
@@TheScoun16 I liked the way she thought tho. She only wanted to protect her people and her home. Kidnapping was wrong. But she had a good view on it. Kids are easier to get on your side because they need safety and food when they can't do it all alone. Just like Carver, she really was only asking them to do a job, and they are well fed and taken care of. Telltale was so good at writing villains that they made it seem as if she was all bad for just good intentions in a messed up version of the world.
AJ to Lilly: I hope you get bit out there!
Clem: *gets bit"
AJ: ...
Lilly's funny Insults
1:35
1:55
3:33
The last one is the best
how the hell are any of those insults
She sounds so hurt and broken by that last arrow shot... She really did love Clementine
ThePrinceOfXing
Indeed....it truly is good to see that out of all of the pure evil she’s done, there are still remnants of her old self deep down at least. I was shocked at that part honestly 😮
ThePrinceOfXing true 😭💔❤️
I think Lilly is Not evil. Just broken
Dreckiger Dan nah she’s evil. Cutting off Louis tongue, killing james even if we let her live and manipulating violet to turn against you.
@@shithead323 Yeah because she was taught to act like that at the Delta probably. The Member weren't exactly angels either
Dreckiger Dan I mean her dad was abusing her (Not defending her) so guess she didn’t care about what other people like her soldiers
Dreckiger Dan yeah and I understand that but she’s still evil. She’s definitely not how she was S1 and I understand why but she definitely became a evil version of herself
I liked lilly
I’m honestly so sad they made Lily the villain (even though it makes sense in a way). She was my favorite in season one and I hoped we’d see her later on after she was gone in episode 3. Then she did return I was so happy and sad at the same time. She was just so tough, a decent leader, and kind of relatable to me in certain parts. That’s just me though.
Even James has a rough conflict with Clementine (when Lilly was killed), this is why I prefer killing Lilly, and I don't regret it. She has no chance of changing, and she will live the rest of her life full of hate and being mean. James, on the other hand, has some part that he can change.
But james dies either way, if he defends us from walkers, the walkers still follow us meaning James got bit and turned into a walker either way. James would also abandon us and would be hostile towards us
@@Truly_Sithariif that was true he would’ve showed up as dead
I’m honestly shocked they didn’t let one of the arrows kill her. You’d think that after Season 2 where you can shoot Kent AFTER he kills Jane, that the devs would let you kill as many original characters as you could.
I mean you can still let aj kill her so James doesn't die so there's that atleast lol...
@@Ugh718: True but after season 2 where everything is over with and the game still lets you kill Kenny, I figured the game developers would be jumping at the opportunity to kill Lily because they just want to remove all the original characters.
Clementine: “What was it that Lee said all those years ago? Oh yeah, you’re not coming with us...”
Lilly: “But I’ll die Ou-“ *remembers the conversation*
Clementine: *Scumbag smiles* “I don’t care.”
Lily: *Triggered noises*
Lilly gonna return yet again if skybound decides to continue the games with AJ, then it’ll be 5 seasons in the making of her tormenting players.
@Adina Maria they left the door open for a possible new series saying that Clementine group found another group and wanted to approach them, but Clem's story is over, she obviously can't do much anymore with just one leg so if there will be a sequel the new character will be AJ.
@Adina Maria it hurts to see clem in one leg.
@Adina Maria atleast they could have done an ending where she saves her legs when I skipped to the end I was like WTH?
@@bhawnasingh5137 It's better than seeing her dead isn't it?
@@cuthuluxd5814 wellll you are right but they possibly did it to find an excuse to not continue the series with clem?
One of the best and most epic moments in all the twd series damn i love it
Shooting a bunch of arrows at a box? That's epic? ROFL!
Da Duh Dingus he/she meant the conversation, but you were probably joking anyway.
Da Duh Dingus
What Lilly said about “nothing lasts, not friends, not love , not home “ is a fact in real life aswell because if u live long enough ur family,team,group etc will all die and u will be all alone
one man army or betray you
@@bricemorgan6952 :(
"dont waste your arrows" lol she seems to have unlimited
we really need a DLC for Lilly to find out what she does after she leaves here, maybe she shows regret and realizes all the terrible things she's done or if james is still alive for you then it's a DLC for James on what he does after leaving that cave since I believe it's confirmed he doesn't die in there
She seems like she regrets what she did tbh.
@MaximumFlamezz Ha, she only felt "shamed" or "regretful" cause she got beaten by a group of kids.
suffer how’s feeling regretful funny?
When clem said to Lilly "I hope you can find peace with yourself." I bet Lilly felt sick to the stomach
Everybody shitting on Lilly, but I actually feel bad for her. Seeing how hardened she got years after, makes you think what horrible shit she’s been through. A lone woman out there on her own. It’s sad she turned into a sociopath like this, I never really disliked her in the 1st season, in fact, I agreed in some things with her. Goodbye, Lilly. Like Clem said, “I hope you find peace”.
This is why you feel bad for her in her past but you don't for her currently, you know alot of serial killers had tragic past to right?
@@sbcs2809 hahaha you talk as if you weren't capable of killing
@@ArmenAdler Everyone's capable of killing:Physically(well except disabled people in like a wheelchair or whatever I guess...).
Mentally is a WHOOOLE nother agenda however...
Ok so just me who after everything still likes Lilly?
I like her too
@@olivianystrom439 I legit have a crush on Violet. One of the very few times I was attached to a character that much. Probably of how cute and intimate she was and that she reminded me of myself.
Yes
I do. I see her as a tragic villain because I think she represents how the apocalypse can turn you into a monster even though before you were a caring person e.g the way she treated Clem in season 1. It’s why I let her live as I felt bad for her as she began to realise the evil she had done
peaches me
I actually let her live in my playthrough. I don't even know why I just felt like I've seen so much Walking Dead at this point from the comics to the show to the game and everytime I see a villain and the things they do I want to kill them so bad but it ends up being the right thing to do to let them live. It's just a very mature and noble thing to do tbh and it might make Lily end up a better person because of it.
only villain i spared was andy
What if there's a 5th episode (DLC) where you play as javi on richmond and you meet lilly/james and recruit one of them?, there's a lot to exploit with twd universe, so many characters with unknown fates: mike,arvo,molly,christa.... and more
They don't care about that. I realized this after how useless they made 400 days.
Not going to happen. This is the end of the series.
@@Kingdom850 they said it is the end of clementine, but not the end of TWD
@@ajxx9987 Yes. The end of Clementine and everybody who took part in her story. If there was to be more TWD. It would be a separate thing, a re-boot. Like Life Is Strange 2... And LIS 2 is awful. I don't want there to be more. It will ruin the uniqueness of TWD.
I'm betting Arvo's dead, he betrays you if you don't take his medicine so you can bet he'll try to screw over Mike and Bonnie, that is if Kenny didn't shoot Arvo on the spot, which I feel like he would have.
I loved their dynamic, such a good choice to bring lily back.
“ Lilly Won’t Forget That” Season 5 🤔 or maybe dlc 🤷♂️ who knows at this point
Chris Henry Probably not. Not unless Skybound decides to keep it going. I doubt they will but here's hoping.
A extra episode
Chris Henry they may do a dlc or at least I hope they do
Hope not. The series will go downhill otherwise. I don't want them to keep continuing her story. It's THE FINAL SEASON.
Aidan Cavanagh they don’t have to continue her story there’s still AJ, James(if he doesn’t die in your play through), and lily(if she doesn’t die in your play through) or they could just have dlc’s about lily after she got kicked out of lee’s group or James when he was in that other group. I don’t think they will have a whole other game but they can still make short dlc’s to add to the story
Why do I feel bad for all of them, dang it, SHE STABBED GAMES AND KILL3D CARLEY DAMMIT
James
Ashina Singh you’re a good person. I mean, I still don’t hate Lilly after all the things she’s done. We see that she has a good side too. That’s why I don’t hate her. I hope we’ll see her again in a DLC
@@emre_serin me too thank you dude
@@emre_serin Lilly was part of OLD GANG🔥🔥🔥
*_"GAMES"LMAO🤣🤣🤣_*
Lily is right it's not evil to fight for what you love Lily just wanna protect the place they call home but she just chose a bad approach.
"This apocalypse...it gets to you in the worst ways ever imagined! It breaks you and changes who you truly are for the worst! There is no place for innocence in this cursed world!"
It was disappointing not being able to kill Lily at the end, I kept shooting her in my playthrough
I chose the “good luck out there” option, and I’m actually glad I chose it
“ *thanks I’ll need the ammo* “
Keep the twd videos going Babyzone!
How’s Lilly going to explain this one to Delta
Tastyquicksand She isn’t going back to the Delta
"Where's the rest of your squad?"
"OK, so basically we went on that recruiting raid you ordered us to go on, and got BTFO by a gang of (mostly) unarmed teenagers, who then blew up our ship and left everyone but me to be eaten alive by walkers. Will you please let me back in?"
If the ending was supposed to have Clem and AJ live in a good place for a long time and if Lily is possibility reconsidering her life choices, then she could lied to the Delta about what happened to the kids which could keep them safe.
What if the raft Lilly was on collapses Half way through the river
@@abovethelaw4417 Then she'd get what she deserved and die like Luke
Clementine has an infinity enchantment on her bow.
“Thanks, I’ll need the ammo”
Lilly was such an insane character but goddamn that’s funny
I really wish we could have told Lilly about Kenny
Yeah, I thought she would've brought up Kenny but no the only people who are mentioned are Lee, Larry, Carley and Doug
I think this game gives no fucks to Kenny
@@superik408 There was an easter egg for him in episode 2
@@Kwjl i think i missed cuz well, it is a easter egg
Super Erik you have to choose to spend time with violet in episode two and you can connect the stars which makes it into Kenny
Low-key was hoping for a salty comment about how much Lily loved leading people/something about Kenny and Lee
Such as:
'Enjoy your followers of boxes, *insult here*'
'At least you don't have to worry about Kenny fighting for power with you'
'Sucks that you don't have Lee to fix everything when everything goes down-hill for you and your pose of boxes. Just don't complain about the best box when they lead the group to survival and kick you out of the pose because you do the complete opposite of helping them survive'
Extra burn:
'Well none of those boxes are gonna kill/help you save Larry'
Lee: cuts his arm off and still dies
Clem: AJ cuts her leg off and she lives
Lee: :|
2:57 Clem sounds so toxic when she is sarcastic.
That woman has so much hate in her heart, it’s ridiculous. Like, does she not feel regret for killing Carly or Doug anymore? Does losing her father for the group to survive make her not care about other lives?
Either way, it seems like letting her live is a better option.
Clem just can't aim when the plot calls for missed shots hell AJ could've hit her
Tbf you're right aj could've shot her with the gun I guess lol...
Wtf you missed one dialogue I was looking for... "running away again?"
you need to let her stay in RV in first season to say that.
I'm guessing she dies trying to get back to the Delta, or her people kill her when she got back. I think it's either of the two because of the option for her to die in the last episode
No matter what you do she will survive. Well I don't like these choices but I killed Lilly before and I don't regret. Clementine is right. She is a coward. She tried to be strong but she is just a litte girl. She should take an example from Lee and help someone but instead, she became a monster. She was a coward and babykiller. I'm glad AJ killed her.
Did you just quote Carly.
@@taquay Yes
It was her or James. Lilly deserved it.
@@andrewneilan4234 Definitely.
@BHowardify She killed Mitch.
Lilly become anti-hero to villain like I said screw her. If she would've cared for Clem, she wouldn't hurt her and not done some bad decisions but Lilly is lost after her father's death.
Clementine: I hope you can live with yourself
AJ:I hOpe YoU gEt bİt OuT tHeRe!
*_“iT wAs OnLy HaLf A cLiP!”_*
I remember she says *"Why would you start a battle you can't win?"* or something along the lines of pettiness towards Clem, but she's literally fighting teenagers i'm-
I let her live. After all the people that I've known from the beginning and second time. Lilly is the only one left (Christa is most likely dead) and unfortunately, despite all this chaos, I think Lilly still knows that Clem is the only thing that is keeping her from killing herself as well.
So despite all this shit. Lilly I forgive you.
and molly from season 1 .. i miss her😭💔 idk what happend to her
I don’t get why people think Christa survived you can literally hear her get pushed or kicked down and then shot
Starrigby yeah she died
Lily isn't that bad of a person. You can tell by Clem's comments at the end that she is definitely hurt when Clem hoped she could find peace in her life. She had many chances to kill Clem but chose not to.
Haha haha
"Chose not to" haven't you played the second episode, the part of the woods? If you don't move, she kills you lol
@@excykz1541 lily is a accurate representation of that kind of person in the world.
She is a predator.
Many everyday people are like lily but keep it repressed. It shows without good authority how cruel the lilies or jack become
dkblade27 BUT she cut Louis his tongue out and because of Lilly lose Violet/Louis his finger! (no hate) (Sorry for my bad English,I still learning in the school :D)
dkblade27 tru
Lily said the other people slow you down and you are better on your own but in reality she suffered from being to long alone.
“Nothing lasts… not the place you call home” well maybe if you didn’t kidnap people and make others want to destroy your home it would have 🤷🏻
I don’t know why but i feel bad for Lily, i know she was a psychotic but i think she was like that because she always was alone and abuse by his father
3:33 I’m dead 😂
I like how lilly is talking about ammo clementine cant run out of ammo
Brooo, I thought that was like divine intervention for Clem when she didn't hit the first two times.
Guess three times really is the charme.
I want a dlc with Lilly as protagonist.
Я тоже
Я думаю нет смысла её убивать, пусть живёт.
Aww it's already the final season and there is still somethings I'm questioning. Like is Christa really dead!??? Or what happened to the javiet and his family, or will there ever be a season 5 of the walking dead. We will never know
And there are no answers to what happened to Arvo, Bonnie, or Mike, I wanted to see a showdown but I guess Telltale didn't care about ending some loose threads
Sometimes there just have to be mystery's. Don't forget it's the zombie apocalypse. They would never find out what happened to everyone.
For Javier during clem flashback of her After taking back AJ in the car she said "she wont going back to richmond because they are in warzone" so probably dead :P
She died or committed suicide. She died at the start of season 2 or survived the attack and killed herself out of grief.
“Guess you’re basically back to square one, Lily. You know what else is basically square? The box Kenny dropped on your dad’s head”
*Lily won’t forget that*
Never see her again
Never mind the darkness
Never mind the books red moon
The NIGHT will be over soon!
I have that song written on my poster of the walking dead.I loved this series so much😭
Lee died, Kenny died, Clem loses her leg, Christa still MIA but the big a$$hole in the game named Lilly survives!
Desmond Warren I need a dlc for the characters that are still out there, arvos group, people from 400 days, Christa and Molly... i’m a curious person so this is so hard to handle for mexD
@@PolishGuy Maybe have Kenny and Lily only in the scenarios where they may still live. If you go into Wellington alone, Kenny would have to fend for himself, it's possible the Florida man can make it, and Lily's been hardened like never before, and with experience, she might actually make it out of there alive, leading up to a special one where all the pieces comes together, you might even get to pick whoever you want, or introduce a newcomer to take the player role. It's all hypothetical and we may never get this, but interesting to think about.
Satisfaction and a reference to the dairy farm in one line and action.
If you saved your arrows till the third shot, you get to take the shot yourself, Clem yells “I’ve waited 8 years for this!” And nails Lilly with an arrow in the eye.
But 🎵Plot ✨Armor🎵
Wait is that ACTUALLY what happens or not lol?
@@Ugh718 No it’s not what happens sadly. Just me fantisizing.
I was kinda hoping to see this war she was talking about
Too bad Lee is dead.
After finishing second season I regretted that earlier I was on the side of Kenny. But now I don't regret that I supported Kenny in the first season. Lilly is even worse than him. If Lee knew what monsters would become Lilly and Kenny, he would have killed them before to protect Clementine.
The worst of it is that in this scene Clem repeated Lee's mistake. She let Lilly go
Kenny never became a monster, only Lilly did.
Kenny sacrifised his life for Clementine and cared about her. Lee would be proud of him.
I just remembered that they didn't even make one final hallucination with Lee, wtf?
@Genghis Khan Kenny let Walter die and Alvin too in 2 episode. He left Clem with the walkers in 4 episode.
@Genghis Khan You don't remember. Beginning 4 episode, he left her.
So much disappointment for the final season, they better make a bonus dlc or episode 5. I thought the season would’ve felt more longer than this.
Really? I and many others think this was as good as Season 1. If not a bit better. It was so well done. Choices actually mattered. Characters were interesting. Story-line and the gameplay was obviously more advanced and just improved. I didn't find it disappointing at all.
I agree with you, this needed one more episode. Felt kinda rushed.
Aidan Cavanagh Ok I’ll give you that choices somewhat close matter but this season felt super rushed and I was able to complete the game in a grand total time from episode 1-4 in half the time it took for me to play S1. I loved Lee and while I adore Clem I hate how AJ has this murdering spree that doesn’t make much sense at all not to mention he’s an asshat and doesn’t seem to care for Clem as much as Clem cared for Lee. S4 was great but as a finale I am disappointed and I think S1 is the best season. S4 I hoped to be better.
i remember i was so fucking angry with lilly when he stole the van, i promised myself that if i ever get a chance to kill lilly i'd do it in a heartbeat.
but 3 seasons later when i finally have lilly at my mercy, i couldn't bring myself to kill her. i forgave her and even told her good luck. after seeing the character's fates at the credit screen and knowing what lilly feels after all that (regretful) i think i made the right choice.
I forgive you Lilly.