STRING SPOKES for Bike Wheels?
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- čas přidán 28. 12. 2022
- Rope spokes... spaghetti spokes... string spokes... Nope spokes? Let's see how these Berd fabric spokes handle proper DH mountain biking with a heavy rider.
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Critical moments in MTB evolution: Suspension, hydraulic brakes, 29" wheel, carbon fiber, dropper post and BERD Spoked wheels!
The setup looks amazing, but that's approx. $2600 in Wheelset and tires alone. Just way out of the average mountain bikers budget. Great for sponsored racers, though.
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I'm building an $1,100 wheelset with Berd spokes that weighs 1,515g and is strong enough for enduro (I'm also going to run cushcore so it'll be good for DH too).
Parts list:
NEWMEN Front Hub MTB FADE Straightpull 6-Bolt silver 15x110mm Thru Axle BOOST
DT SWISS Rear Hub 350 Straightpull 6-Hole 12x148 mm BOOST Thru Axle Freehub SRAM XD
NOTUBES Rim 29" ZTR Flow MK4 28 Hole
RACE FACE Rim 27,5" 650B ARC 30 Offset 28 Hole
Alloy rims because carbon is garbage.
(Running different brand rims front and rear for weight savings, Raceface 29 is heavier than NoTubes 29, and NoTubes 27.5 is heavier than Raceface 27.5)
I would have gone with slightly lighter hubs but the price increase would be absurd.
76projects High Flow Valves (lighter, higher flow, and cheaper than SantaCruz Fillmore valves)
Formula steel brake rotor screws (lighter than other steel screws, and cheaper than titanium).
I'm also running KCNC 7075 thru axles which are 93g lighter than the stock pair. Only $80 for the pair.
Got a lot of parts of the r2 bike site, because they measure, list, and allow you to sort by weight in grams.
@@wx2999 now this is a 10/10 CZcams comment!!
My friend runs berds. And loves them. I will be getting them this fall if I can afford them by then!
Nice!
I am using Berd spokes on my Yeti ARC. I have Onyx Vespar hubs and weareone union rims and they have been perfect. When i got the wheels it was like i hit a fitness milestone automatically, could tell right away how much easier it was to ride longer and how much better i felt at the end of a long ride. They are my favorite part on my bike.
Have these on all three bikes. 10 downhill race weekends plus another 10 or so dh park days. Ride my trail and e-bike 2-4 times a week. I did ride a regular wheel set once recently and while the setup felt more sluggish than my berd wheels, I was experimenting with different inserts and tubes which could’ve caused the difference in feel. The berd spokes seems to keep the wheels true longer. The only negatives besides price to me are to change one or more spokes you have to detension all the other spokes. Make sure you keep track of which spoke lengths are on which wheels if you have multiple hoop/hub configurations and make sure you have spares on hand (order with your build) otherwise you’re paying shipping for a couple of spokes.
I have a set and love them. I'm running a Assegai and DHR. And I love them. My switchblade is as sharp as a razor. I have them laced on atomik wheels and hydra hubs.
I’ve been waiting for a rector these. Definitely sounds intriguing minus the expense.
Ali Clarkson showed that It can work with trials as well it's an awesome innovative design( and Ali's spokes where homemade)
I have an Ibis Exie with an ultra light wheel set. I have been riding around 1700 miles on single track trails with lots of rocks and roots since September 2022. I have gone through a new XTR cassette and chain recently. But the wheels have remained true since I got the bike.
I wonder if they have to be protected from UV light over time.
My NOBL TR37's with Berd spokes are amazing. Take hard impacts well and feel great. I'm glad, cause they were EXPENSIVE. Not as bad as ENVE, but still.
I probably will never purchase these for my mountain bike. But it's good to know. Keep bringing the content Beth & Ryan +!
I have the Berd Hawk27 wheels on my Ripley AF which replaced my ENVE M630. I liked it so much I got another Hawk series, their new Berd Hawk30 for my Stumpy Evo.
Excellent Vid . I'm getting Convergence rims with I9s and Berd spokes For My CF Warden 😎 Will Be EVEN More Awesome 😎
I came across these several years ago and wondered why they weren't a thing with the weight weenie crowd in MTB. Looks like that time has arrived! Really curious to ride these and possibly try a set of my own one day 🙂.
i wanna see some slow-mo shots of you ripping through a hard berm on these wheels. ive been on the fence on rebuilding mine with these spokes but i want to see if they do indeed flex in hard corners or if they hold up well.
If I find a bag of money laying around, I'll give these a try. Thanks for the review!
What length spokes did you end up with front and rear? I would like to compare what I used with my steel spokes with the same rims and hubs.
This concept is bothering a lot of people as they have the impression that the hub is resting on the bottom spokes, as opposed to the hub being suspended on the upper ones .... that old cart wheel model is still somehow confusing people....
One thing I am wondering about is how they would hold up against scrub, branches, rocks and whatever cr@p that always gets in your wheel.... well, gets in my wheel in the dry season. Could they fray?
I think the most important aspect is that they are so reliable, lightness is great but honestly I would take durability over lightness....but hey if you get fed free gear then throw all that out the window and go bash some more trails! I had a set of industry 9 Enduro S wheelset and ended up selling it because I kept breaking spokes(yes I'm heavier) so I might consider a wheelset with Berd spokes next. Thanks for the great review, enjoy the snow! I'm moving to Prescott AZ this week, can't wait to shred!
Update? Just curious what you got/how it worked out for ya
@@LastAphelion I just re-laced my ibis black bird rims to a set of industry 9 hydra 32 spoke hubs. No carbon, no Nylon spokes.
I’m intrigued, but I’m going to keep an ear out for one more year on these. I wonder what 1-2 years of UV exposure does to those spokes.
"So light, too light, incredibly light, way lighter.....,weight? Comparisons? " 😁 Maybe I missed it? It looks like more people need to sign up for your Patreon so you can afford a sweater that you don't need to tape a logo out on? 🤣 Thanks for the content. 🤟
I LOVE my Berd spokes! So lightweight (unsprung & rotational), but also have such a nice dampened feel to them. I love love love them. Stupid expense? Yes. Will I buy them again? Only if the price comes down. But this was a very specific treat for myself (surgery recovery) and I'm glad I did it. Hopefully this tech becomes more available, affordable and accessible in the next few years. If you are in Vancouver, Kissing Crows Cyclery are dealers and know what they are doing.
High Pro Costs 😎 Embrace It . I live in VanCity 😃
I’ve has similar experiences with my current wheelset. I’m 235lbs and running a Derby front rim and a light bicycle rear rim with DT Swiss hubs and BERD spokes/ my wheelset was built by berd and are still running true after 2 years of a bunch of riding/ ive had many rocks and sticks get thrown into the wheels/ never a problems/ im not wealthy by any means but the value proposition is plain to see here/ i see my self replacing the bearings on my hubs and running my current berd wheels for years to come/ sidenote: i ride a full tilt ripley and my berd wheelset is the most standout “component” that makes the bike as sweet as it is….
I noticed that your running the apple wacth ultra, future review maybe.😏
It’s a nice piece and very useful if you find yourself out in BFE often. I ride solo to it’s nice to have the SOS + GPS functions. The cloth bands get very dirty quick. Get a rubber or leather band and you’re set!
@@70HeavyChevy oh yeah,I just got myself one about a week ago and I hope to use it during summer where you can actually ride lots and not freeze.
> so light they will float on water
boats: Am I a joke to you
Haha fair enough
are you still riding the berd spokes? how are they holding up?
I’d love to ride those spokes but I honestly don’t think there with double the price of traditional spokes that do pretty much the same thing. Sweet Video!
8x more monies.
I run hope hubs and dt swiss ex511. I'm a fatty at 250Lb my wheels are fine after a summer of riding.... I can build 2 complete wheel sets for the cost of one rear wheel using berd.
Like your videos. I ain't putting out that many frogskins for spokes.
What was the 2nd set of tires ?
Industry 9 Hydras are pretty heavy. I would have gone with DT Swiss, Newmen, Tune, Extralight, Carbon-Ti, etc
What is the total weight of the wheelset?
How do these ropes hold up against rotor heat, camp fires and flame in general? Are they fire retardant?
Zero issues with rotor heat. If you find your bike in a camp fire, I think you have bigger problems to handle in that moment!
Ryan, what is your current favorite bar/stem combo?
At the moment, I'm quite enjoying a 40mm I9 stem and PNW Range 31.8 bar with it's 10 degree backsweep. I'd likely still be running the Fasst bars, but I personally like a ton of upsweep, which doesn't jive with that design.
@@TheLoamRanger 31.8 carbon bar? You’ve got me intrigued, im currently running a flexx bar with the hardest bushings, ive never ran a bar with more pronounced upsweep than others
Just wondering if the weight is indeed feelable. Most of the reduced weight is indeed feelable when pedaling the further its away from the center (rotating masses). Most impact on the ride feel should be lighter tires and rims, not so much the spokes.
Spokes are rotating, unsprung weight. It’s about a 200g weight savings per wheel. 100% noticeable on the trail.
Yeeting my self through rock gardens lol
They looked really cool and thought about making my ebike lighter, until you told me the price.
Man I wanted to try those tires but they only come in 2.4? WTH! Why don't they have more sizing options...? A 2.5 is pretty standard...
The difference between the two is pretty much nil. When I went to Michelin and started using 2.4’s over 2.5’s, I saw almost no difference, visually.
@@TheLoamRanger That's good to know! I bet the run amazing with some cushcore and lower pressures... The DHRII is great but I'm trying to go back to a 29" so I might give these a shot! Thanks!
Did I miss where you state the actual weight savings in your application?
A little over 200g per wheel.
@@TheLoamRanger and that is about the weight savings going from a full DH tire to a Enduro casing tire.
So that would add up to abt 400g per wheel when you include both tire and wheel/spokes. That’s a lot, almost 2 lbs of rotating weight.
@@rh994 Well the point was he likes DH weight tires so he wanted it offset by the spokes .
if im worried about a few pounds less on my downhill bike I lay off the beer for a few weeks.
The mechanic at 3:15, is his name Dean?
That’s him!
They're great, just way too expensive. Price needs to come down a bunch.
Their so light they float on water!? So do ships.
lol why not just wear a different sweatshirt?
Rotating weight is worth a lot more than static weight like a frame or rider. Of course for pure climbing efficiency the best thing you can do is lose weight on the rider but you’ll feel a huge difference in the way the bike rides with rotating weight change
Ryan, If you don’t mind me asking, How much do you weigh? Berd’s site has suggested rider weight limit.
During testing I was around 200-205lbs
Hey there! Any weight ratings that you will see are related to the rims and/or hubs. There really is no weight rating for Berd spokes themselves!
Say you have plastic spokes without saying you have plastic spokes. “Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene”😆 Cool concept though…
Hmmm... If you talk seriously about the downsides you should point out, that the rotational stiffnes isn't good.
Rotational stiffness? Like flex while I'm straight-line braking? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
@@TheLoamRanger ya, it's not stiff at breaking and when accelerate.
Berd had such a good idea, but also incredible frustrating rip off. They just use standard kitsurfing lines 5$ for 20m (~64 spokes) and an ordanery splice on one side, a fingertrap on the other. Both every kitsurfer and sailer can do with closed eyes and sell it with a 10000% mark up to save 120g. Such a shame. 🤮
Do you believe this to be true, or do you know (with evidence) this to be true?
@@TheLoamRanger oh man my post got deleted ... can't post link to Berd hp🤦♂️. IT IS STATED ON THE BERD HOMPAGE! Just klick on Technology. These ropes were invented by the shipping industry in the 80's. Berd uses standard dyneema SK99 2,5mm ... PI-Rope uses standart dyneema D20 2,5mm. U can by the splice tools for 5$ in every kitsurfing or shipping store ... they are on most high quality kites. Just google it ... takes 2min. I use them for camping since the 90's 😂 . #wikipedia
@@TheLoamRangerok, have u deleted both of my posts?
@@TheLoamRanger 3rd try ... Shorter. It is stated on their homepage!!! Berd -> technology. Invented in the 80's. Google -> dyneema. Berd uses standard SK99 2,5mm. PI-Ropes uses standard D20 2,5mm.
@@TheLoamRanger4th try, even shorter... It is stated on the Berd homepage. Google dyneema. I use it since the 90's for camping ...
Whats the weight savings? $700 for 30, 40 or 50 grams!
With this setup vs my normal wheels, I saw roughly a 200g rotational, unsprung weight savings per wheel. Pretty substantial, but yes, the cost is also substantial.
The weight savings is great but it's not the whole story. For those extra dollars you also get increased strength and durability, along with better ride quality and traction.
eyyy first
too rich for my wallet.
Spents all video telling us how light his wheels are. Doesn't tell us how light his wheels are.
Could save a lot of money by just using shoelaces. That's essentially what they are. For the weight and money savings, I think I'll just eat/drink a bit less.
PiRope are cheaper and made froma more durable material.