Flash Carts for the Nintendo Switch are Here // MIG-Switch Review
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2024
- Pandora's box has been opened. In this video, we review the new MIG-Switch flash cart for the Nintendo Switch. We cover how it works, how it is updated, and some potential issues and concerns now that it exists.
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Wishful hoping! Great as always!
Indeed 👍🏿👍🏻
Unlikely given how they violate you with emulation
They won't
It's joever for you
If purchase isn’t ownership then piracy can’t be theft
How your comment isn't higher rated is a testament to how few people can actually critically think.
True but Nintendo could care less
Well they sued yuzu for the same !
And will probably fail that lawsuit
@@Justinicus24 if they could care less then they obviously care a lot
And just like that, taki udon's body was found in a river in Japan
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RIP
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Don't give them ideas. 😂
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Everyone is focussed so heavily on the prospect of using it for backups, but the Switch homebrew scene is really quite good! Using it to launch homebrew on an unmodified Switch is far more interesting a prospect to me, but it's a question nobody seems to have an answer for.
Oh boy, you've got no idea! We've got groups investigating the possibility of using these, plus a legit game dump(But modified!), to cause the errors needed to drop into RCM mode on patched Switches. These have opened up so many new possibilities. Imagine Softmod CFM on the Switch Oled! It worked surprisingly well on the PS4, once the USB Update errors were found, so we're hopeful a workaround will be found here as well. I also know a group that is looking into coding a game launcher for switch roms that will run on the MIGSwitch, so you can load into it, and then load any rom/dump of your choosing.
It's going to be a really interesting year for the Switch, especially if the Switch 2 is as backwards compatible as expected. It might be an instant Jailbreak once again.
What’s homebrew?
@@fishermanSaleh Community developed third party software.
Prob because u can't mod a v2
@@tonywestenra9523 Which is precisely why being able to run homebrew through this cartridge would be a game changer.
I’d love this to let my niece and nephews use my collection without having to loan out my personal cartridges. However I think I’ll wait for a version that doesn’t require insertion cycle to do it.
And to be a less cheap Uncle.
@@oasisbeyond - Dude; wth? As it is, I already changed the primary so the digital games are available, and the kids are allowed to borrow one title each at a time. Something like this would just make the whole physical library available too.
@@GamerFromJump don’t mind him, he’s an undercover Nintendo employee
Insertion cycle is the worst of the mig switch right now
@@oasisbeyondyou can't fool me, NINTENDO NINJA!
I love how he laid a few extra Switch Cartridges out at the top of the frame lol
"Nintendo look I swear I buy your games please don't sue me"
that wont stop the poison needle of those nintendo ninjas
Probably the only ones he actually had if he "needed to import them".
In any case this is far less obvious than playing Mario Kart 8 on the Steam Deck which has also been done on .
Man it boggles my mind that people still support nintendo so rabidly. They're worse than EA
@@Saplingbatthey’re worse than EA, but in other ways they’re also better, like how their games are (usually) released at a very high quality & polish (with the exception of Pokémon)
@@justadummy8076to be fair, Pokémon is developed by game freak and not Nintendo. Nintendo definitely should be giving them a good kick though, I'm not sure how Nintendo isn't embarrassed by their quality
I can't believe an r4 dsi cartridge I found at a Mexican flea market 7 years ago was what would eventually bring me to this video years later
Wdym
jajajaja same here
The way the world works is beautiful ain’t it?
Right ? I remember my father buying me a r4 for the dsi man endless games to play 😂
lol same 😂 i was researching flash cart and modded rom when i was thinking of buying a Dsi LL with an r4 😂 funny how youtube still recommend me a switch flash card years later after i bought my dsi
This could've been the only time were someone could've made the intro "everything I show is to inform people, everything you do is not up to me" this was really a good video, really interesting
This is perfect for someone like me who only plays single player games on my switch, the fact that Nintendo games are always so expensive even years after releasing is the reason this new cartridge is great and something that I will definitely use once it has been refined. I can't wait to be able to get a ton of Nintendo games that I otherwise would never have played.
As long as the unique id/serial is required, it’s not conducive to piracy nor used games. This isn’t going to hurt Nintendo, BUT this is going to hurt GameStop’s used game market…
If buying a used game or a pirated game (and not being in airplane mode) means you brick your switch, gamers are not going to buy either.
I do like the ability to back up your games and consolidate them onto a single cartridge, but that reinsert the same cartridge to change games is kinda jenky… Now might be a good time to short GameStop stock.
I always thought that Nintendo should have given us the option to load any cartridge onto the switch so it doesn’t need to be inserted again (just like the soft copy games we buy from Nintendo).
I guess this is the next best thing, but again… It’s fine for Nintendo, but a very bad thing for the used game market. I suspect some innocent kids are going to get their Switches bricked because they bought a used game…. And that sucks.
And the Nintendo games being so expensive is the reason why there is a used market, I've always bought used Nintendo games directly from people. This harms that. Sure you'll be playing more games you wouldn't have played but you'll be pirating then, this endangers the person to person used games sales more than used games sold in retail IMO. I am anti piracy, so the day I buy a used cartridge and my console gets banned and I can show I have the real physical thing and they don't unban or are slow about it, I'm never buying anything Nintendo again, not even new.
@@bhuvangunessee that's why I have multiple consoles and use the switch for single player offline stuff especially considering how terrible their online experience is, I regretted paying for a full year of their top subscription and since that ran out I haven't bothered subscribing again, I guess for me personally it comes down to the fact that I don't play many Nintendo exclusives but only got a switch for all the metroidvanias that are on pc and switch only, I got sick of looking up a nice looking metroidvania and finding out it wasn't on xbox or ps so I finally bit the bullet and got a switch I collects dust most of the time but I do have about 90 games on it so I'll use it eventually
The chip labels are scratched off to avoid being identified by whoever sold that FPGA. This happened as well during the chip shortage; you would do that to prevent a ban from the supplier's website. 3:08
Manufacturers having to go through autistic levels of hiding their tracks in order to avoid the wrath of Nintendo..... and people STILL buy stuff from this company. It's actually insane lol
Was going to say.
That makes sense.
That is a possibility but not the only one. Since this is new tech and a prototype, it could very well be that the card manufacturer scratched this off.
@@hanfo420 In your mind, someone who paid a manufacturer to make them a board, doesnt know what the components they asked for are? If by manufacturer you mean the people who are selling the product, that would be the same people the other's are referring to.
Reminds me of the SKY 3DS+ took an SD card and had a ton of 3DS games and played normally
I modded my 3DS so i can play any game i want 😂
@@Beanzopsyou are not gonna blow up my guy
@1............................. I already have bro 💀
@@Beanzopsdude just make good content don’t advertise in YT comments…
@@Beanzops You steal content and then spam comments.
Your channel will get dmca'd eventually bud.
This sounds very similar to the story with 3DS flash carts before they became essentially obsolete, particularly with the role of the unique identifier data and how it is very likly to be involved in online functionality. With 3DS cart dumping, it's known that dumping and reusing that header data when playing online could easily result in bans, so I think you were spot-on when it comes to the concerns. Considering how the Switch OS is built off of the 3DS's OS, it makes a lot of sense.
You could already dump keys and play the games online in an emulator, though obviously there was always a risk of ban. As long as your not sharing keys or using shared keys, youre likely to be fine. YMMV.
I had an R4 cart for my 3DS. I liked it for viewing mp4s and to listen to mp3s. I would love to be able to do that on my Switch.
True I had movies on it for car rides lol
right, that's what you used it for 😉
Crazy that this tiny piece will have a major impact on the market
i feel like it's coming out at a perfect time, right before the new console, makes it feel... less unethical lol.
@@Kitsune-es3lcwhat new console?
@@gangsterghost6943The Switch 2, will most certainly release in 2024
@@gangsterghost6943switch 2 rumors are everywhere, idk how you even ended up on this video without hearing about it, it hasn't been confirmed officially but the switch is so old they pretty much have to announce something this year, is guess itd come out by March 2025 at the latest
@@superkind333 No it won't quit spreading lies.
"How do I play Mario Oddysey?" "Oh, it's the 246th game, you just have to put the cartridge in and out (when you see that little green light) 245 times!"
Or just use several SD-cards...
I imagine hardware revisions will happen, or at least some competitors will spring up that either have or encourage QoL fixes.
At the moment though, strong start.
@@radry100 dude, thats gonna drive up the cost insanely high
a 64 gb sd card costs 5€
@@deadsouIThe bigger issue is that switch games aren't 3DS/Vita games, so even huge SD cards would fill up pretty fast. Mine is 1/2 a TB and I still occasionally have to delete stuff.
Reminds me of the early playstation modding, the whole inserting and ejecting to make it select the next game was similar to pushing the button on the PS1 to trick the console into thinking the lid was closed and a game had been placed. As good as technology gets, humans always figure out ways to tinker with it, extremely fascinating.
You ever hear how the Wii was initially cracked? It turned out Epona's name in Twilight Princess didn't have a character limit and people were able to write code into it. Crazy the stuff that happens.
dude your name is killing me
Whats crazy is disc swapping was a vulnerability in game consoles for years.
Really cool stuff! I’m looking forward to new developments on it
I'll never forget obtaining my first R4i card by accident.
I bought small lot of 10 or so random boxless DS games, and there was this one label-less one that had a micro SD card in it, and I understood what it was instantly. It opened my world to them.
It turned my DS from a near useless thing(unless I spent tons of money) into an AWESOME console. I still keep my DS next to my bed with like 800 games.
my dsi lives in my glove box with a r4i and NES, GB/A/C emulators
Used to love playing like 12 different games on my R4, but the hinge on both my DS and DS Lite broke.
I have yet to play a single DS game (yes really; just never got into the console) but have one in my attic and just recently found out about R4 cards. Anbernic consoles are nice but the touch screen makes me think I should get a card and try the original console out.
R4i, TT, dam I feel old
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5just putting it out there in random spaces? Haha
I love purchasing physical media and the idea of just being able to store my collection on an SD card is so convenient. It's the best of both worlds, having the peace of mind of physical media ownership with the convenience of digital media access.
Agreed, physical copies should also include digital versions as well.
But of course they like to punish legit buyers as much as pirates.
Really? As a physical game collector, Taki’s disclosure scares the crap out of me. Buying a physical copy of a rare game from a 2nd hand seller (GameStop, pawnshop, used game store, every retro convention) and having my NSO account banded bc I unknowingly bought an already dumped ROM is not good. Heck the reseller might not even know that the ROM was dumped.
This is a clever way to push customers to adopt all digital or justify DRM. Now customers will not trust physical media and buy physical, wanting to protect their purchases. Games aren’t cheap now. $70 and a 50/50 chance of not being able to use my NSO account which will be on Switch 2. No Bueno!
@@kadupse You're 100% correct, brother. But I just prefer to own something rather than the "idea" of something, if that makes sense. It's nice to be able to simply share stuff with friends and family.
THIS! Seeing as how many game companies Nintendo included who will stop support for digital copies when it's not convenient for them even when the hardware is still perfectly capable and people are still playing on older systems. Buying physical media is the only way that we can still own what we purchase. But it is inconvenient to carry many cards around. This is a perfect middle ground.
Note that Switch carts aren't as permanent as you may think. If you don't use them for a long time (ie don't power up the storage) they can stop working. The Wii U onboard memory has the same issue.
this is incredible! thanks for sharing!
Hopefully they don't take it down it was very informative. Granted I had no idea what that was before watching the video, but I appreciate the knowledge.
I love that idea of putting all your games on one cartridge and not having to constantly switch them out! If only we could just own the digital copy automatically when we purchase the physical. 😫😞😒
yeah if nintendo had just made that the default instead of being greedy I wouldn't even be considering this product at all. As it is, my wife and I both think it's a much better idea in the long run to own the physical carts so that's pretty much all we buy unless it's digital only. Then it's a freaking nightmare worrying about carts when traveling.
Wouldnt even be hard to make as you already get 1 time goldpoints in a similar way.
But most people would abuse it.. like buying and then returning or selling it used right away after claiming the digital copy.
What they could have implamented is like a temporary digital version.. like make you insert the cartridge every week/month to be able to play that digital copy
ANd what stops the people to abuse the hell out of it? How to authenticate the copy? You get the digital version and after that? You dont need the card anymore. Even so, just one person buys the cartridge and sells it afterwards then no one needs to buy it.
@@ForumcoldiArchonthat's actually a really good idea
@@sheptech Digital copy could be linked to the physical one. If you sell the cartridge, someone could register that, and then you'd lost access to the digital copy.
Nintendo lawyers about to get that 3am phone call
totally blown away that they haven't cracked down on any sellers for this device, not that I want anyone to get into legal trouble. I guess one could possibly argue that it needs all those valid files to run a game and doesn't ship with any software at all but that's not really going to float in the states.
@denniss4951 might switch is developed in Russia. Nintendo have absolutely no authority there and they wouldn't dear if they know what's good them.
@@kellyd1910Good. Fuck em. I want to see what this thing can do as they improve and iterate on it.
Who flags videos at 3 in the morning?
@@ZoruaHunter People in different time zones
Good informative video, thanks!
It's funny cause if you look in the back of the booklets of all the old games, including Nintendos, it tells you you're allowed to make a personal backup copy of your game just in case.
Intresting. They probably meant that you can back up the game because you’re on it and already paid for it, if you lose the cartridge and still have the game. However, it’s not a back up to copy and sell the cartridge.
No, they didn't. Video game publishers have never included notes in game booklets advising customers to backup games.
I think you're confusing game data with save data. A lot of the old games would remind you to use memory cards on PSX etc on the back of the case.
This is simply not true.
Legally you're allowed to back up your game, and use the back up instead of the original media, at least in the EU. This has already been tested through the courts years ago. You're not allowed to back up, sell it, and keep using the backup copy. However, there are some problems with the verification practically, but it comes down to being able to show the physical original game cart of whatever you run a backup copy of. Online download purchases are a separate thing and easy in that they are tied to your account, so it doesn't matter how many copies of the files you have, so long as you have it on your account as a purchase.
Didn't expect to see a flash cart finally come to the Switch but this is fantastic to see.
I always figured it was a matter of when, never if
5 years to late
@@Leak-ec5gbtoo late? Brother Switch is still getting games? 😂
Just emulate with another handheld and call it a day rather than possible screw someone else in the process as Taki has pointed out.
back when I was working the nightshift back in 2018, we use to play on a hacked switch. Had all the games of the time on it (atleast the ones that mattered). Was tempted back then on getting one. I'm assuming they fixed it by now if a card like this is coming out? All I remember is couldn't go online when it was bootloaded or something like that but with a reboot would go back into stock and work like a normal switch.
If their claims are correct this also has the ability to go online while using your own backups over just installing stuff in cfw.
It also has the advantage of allowing piracy without emunand, as long as the user stays offline during play of Roms.
Both of those make it a good companion for homebrew only syscfw online setups like I'm using for years by now.
Through some phone companion app and Bluetooth could have been nice for the game selection with bigger collections.
Love this , can't wait to grab one
Outside of piracy, I'm sure Nintendo is dreading this just for the reason brought up, that tons of legitimate customers might get sniped by the security systems Nintendo has in place because of second hand scammers selling or returning the carts they just bought and dumped.
Depending on how bad this gets they might have to rethink security handshakes on the switch
Cats out of the bag tho. Like every switch on the market rn can use this, so even if they push an update, millions of switches (like mine) will just have auto update disabled to keep stufff like this as an option.....
@@chainingten3819 oh no, I mean Nintendo might have to rethink handshakes in general, as in they might have to allow multiple cloned game IDs on the service or else risk banning a bunch of legit users that will be livid.
I'm not sure what else they could do if it actually starts snow balling with the second hand market
I think the scope of this issue would be proportional to the percentage of physical cartridge players in that market
Or vendors stop allowing returns on switch games, the used market totally dries up and Nintendo starts selling even more new games. Is that not within the realm of possibility?
@@HalcyonSunsetif this is allowed people with pirated games will be able to go online lol. Nintendo is in a sticky situation. They don't wanna face angry customers but they also don't want pirates.
This takes me back to the days of the Sky3DS Flashcard for the Nintendo 3DS... It only had one button to cycle trough your games on the SD Card, but eventually they released a version that allowed you to go back and forth between games. Good old times
Hopefully MIG doesn't follow in the footsteps of Xecuter and start extorting customers and bricking systems.
@@warbossgegguz679there's a good chance that this is xecuter who made this. the website of mig switch used to be hosted on the same server as garyopa's website (the guy from xecuter who was arrested a few years back)
@@warbossgegguz679 There's a lot of evidence that shows MIG _is_ Xecuter, look up Modern Vintage Gamer's video about the topic.
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5 Sir this is a channel about gaming handhelds
@@warbossgegguz679 theres a theory that MIG is just xecuter under an alias. wouldn't be the first time they did it
EDIT: czcams.com/video/53ttoD8GYJE/video.html
This is awesome. It's only going to get better with future iterations.
I'd love this solution for my use case as I've run out of space for physical carts in the case that I take my switch in. The concerns mentioned at the end of the video are legitimate concerns though.
I have no doubt that at least one person at Nintendo would think that the collateral damage from the second-hand market for banning same game IDs would be seen as a bonus.
This 100%. I'd be very cautious about using any games I've backed up on more than one console simultaneously. Even though this is one of the super obvious benefits to a multi-switch household...
It'd be neat to do a simple mod that connects a switch, either an on-off switch or a momentary switch, to whatever pin/pins tell the switch there is a cart inserted so you can simulate taking the cart out without having to physically remove it and potentially wear out the spring mechanic.
Probably the switch console has a sensor on the physical eject mechanisms and you have to or it wont think a. New game is in?
@@lee1130fromtwitternot true, there is a cartdridge swapper that does it
The cartridge slot is cheap and easy to replace if it fails.
I saw somewhere the developer was asked about a button or switch in a future revision and they said that the button/switch would be too small to be robust enough for use. They also said that the average user wouldn't be changing games often enough to put enough to damage the game slot. That makes sense because you're already doing the same when you change physical games.
I saw that the Unitek gamecard reader works with this, in another video. you can just use the remote for it to switch between the mig switch and another cart and each time you go back to the mig switch it's a different game.
Thanks for the video!
I pre-ordered mine almost a month ago. I can't wait to see what this thing can do
We all knew this was coming eventually, I just didn't expect it to take this long. Very interested to see how Nintendo handles this.
lawsuits and a lot of them against everyone who was involved and a few people that weren't but they still felt like sueing them
I hope Nintendo actually makes their online service worth it to fight off piracy… Tbh I don’t see the loss of having a banned switch except maybe DLC
probably with excessive violence
they are probably too busy suing palworld right now, perfect timing@@RedcubeYT
Probably needed to wait til Switch was reaching end of support so Nintendo wouldnt all out come after them
We've reached an age where a lot of Developers opt to release their games solely as software and don't do physical releases, the issue there is that once those games get pulled, you can never buy them again. With an option like this, we are able to obtain those Digital-Only games, even after they've been removed from the server, and access them.
Indeed but that requires you to have a modified Switch beforehand or to sail the seven seas.
@@MegaManNeo Come sail away!
Playing a digital only game on a cartridge? Brilliant idea.
@@BlueCoreGamming except it doesn't work like that because the file types and folder structure are completely different for digital games vs physical. This is a universal thing for internet enabled consoles. The digital versions are completely different and the way they're stored and installed are also different. It would never work this way
I'm feeling like the current console generation is the last one that going to use physical releases as method of distribution overall, so meh.
Thanks! Good detalied review! This cartidge is like M3 ADAPTER/R4 released years ago for nintendo ds
Video was done super well, love the transparency and above board approach
FYI, they remove the markings on the chip not so the end user won't know what it is or does but rather to prevent, say, Nintendo from finding out who the chip manufacturer is and going after the supplier of the chip itself.
pretty sure if twitter users can figure out who made this thing (its team xecutor, the same people who made the SX core modchip as well as the group gary bowser was part of), nintendo would also know too
@pipeisreal it's no real secret but you can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law
I don't think there would be legal grounds for pusuing an SOC manufacuter for selling non-custom, multipurpose FPGAs. It's like saying a knife company unbranded their knife because someone used it to murder someone and they as a company could be prosecuted lol. It's only to delay cheaper Chinese clones from releasing to market.
they only do that to attempt to thwart cloning, nothing more than that.
Goodluck with China haha they will produce Chips even when Nintendo dont Like that.
This has a lot of potential - both for convenience and, of course, piracy.
An idea would be to include a little Bluetooth module inside the MiG that connects to a phone app to switch games, or build some switches on the back of the card to input a number that corresponds to a game.
switches or a little button up top that cycles through separate leds to show which title would be the way to go
convince what?
@@artexjay he clearly meant to say convenience.
You could never connect your console to the internet if you were using it for piracy though without getting banned.
I men, I have a beefy enough rig to run basically anything on Ryujinx and Yuzu, but I hope this sort of thing can be used to crack the switch wide-open a la the 3DS and Wii.
And the first step is always getting software interacting with something it shouldn't. So I'm sure there are aspects of direct cartridge access that differ from just loading stuff directly off an SD card or external drive.
typically stores don't do returns on open games. I was interested in this because I also buy all my games physically but this gen I'm not a fan of since you have to insert and eject it constantly just to go through a list of games. it would get really annoying. would like to see if they would be able to do a menu of some sort like the R4 cards.
Gamestop doesn't do returns on open games, but they do have a buyback program where they buy your used games (for a low amount and then resell at an obscene markup). Many smaller mom&pop local game and comics stores also have similar programs.
The bootlegs and dumped&resold carts will absolutely demolish the used switch game market as customers start seeing themselves be locked out of online accessibility. If customers start connecting being locked out of online functionality to used games, then they will start distrusting used purchases, and either start purchasing only new or stop purchasing Nintendo systems and games altogether.
@@Roccondil "The bootlegs and dumped&resold carts will absolutely demolish the used switch game market " - IF Nintendo decides to brick legitimate systems. Let's wait and see if they go down that road.
reminds me of my DS flashcart, the CycloDS. It was a thing of its own, although I don't know if it is a replication of R4 (I later brought an R4 to play DS games on my 3DS).
On my CycloDS, I had my own wallpaper (To love ru themed), and I had that GUI to select games and even import cheats in games. But the highlight is the homebrew. I had some crazy programs, from DS2Key ( I have a video in my channel from way back in the day of this), to Linux on DS, to SNES emulator, the list just goes on. Basically, the flashcart made my DS do things that I previously didn't even think was possible.
I think Nintendo is gonna eventually push out a patch to prevent this cart from working in Switch, but we shall see
Thank you for clarifying all the details of why people are so concerned about this flashcart. I kept seeing on Twitter that people were freaking tf out and I couldn't understand why. Now that I know it's because the unique identifiers for the original cartridge is ALSO copied onto the Mig Switch, I can see why there's growing concern. If I were a smart person, I just wouldn't take my gameplay online. And if I were to want to play a game for exclusive online gameplay, I'd buy new. Thanks for all the info... great vid, and very informative!
Most normal people are not uploaders of games tho
Needing to update your game is one of several reasons why one would want to have online accessibility. There's also not being able to download DLC, or the full digital games you've legally purchased.
yeah website says you need all the legit files for online, sadly this is just as risky as modded console for online :(
@@shinyrayquaza9what if you buy the dumper that they sale and rent games or buy, save, return back for money, for the games files
@@RoccondilMy best guess is to use the Switch’s built-in feature of matching a game’s version locally with a friend or another updated Switch, but that isn’t always accessible.
Love that you did this video.
We support you.
Glad some made this but switching games seems like a pain. Gen2 might have a button to change games like the ones for the 3DS did.
Great video. I just wish I could get my hands on one.
The constant eject and reinject could easily wear out the card slot. It's probably better to wait for Gen 2 or a clone that has a Button to Switch Games
You're only switching as often as you with real cartridges
@@DarkLink1996. Not even close. Say you have 10 games on this and you want to play the 10th game on the list, you now need to insert the cartridge 10 times instead of the 1 needed to just use the real one.
@@Viirax I didn't think of that
Just don't load 10
But when he inserted/ejected, he was building a list of thumbnails. Can't you just load the games on first, then keep the mig in, then just use the d-pad to select the game you want?@@Viirax
Thanks for covering this, I've been getting ads on Instagram about this product and was questioning the validity of it. The use case you mentioned would be pretty much what I would want it for, a big library of games I don't want to risk getting stolen. After how many years the Switch has been out, and the games I've collected in that time, it's easily a few thousand $ worth of games that I can't replace.
If they were stolen insurance would pay you back and you could buy them all again
@@arzfan29 🤣
@@arzfan29 .... If they pay for insurance on their switch games lol. Which they probably don't, who does that
Can't wait to see what the homebrew scene will bring with this !!
Not much really, because it doesn't allow you to run unsigned code.
It would be cool if someone figured out how to soft mod the Switch using one of these, but it's highly unlikely.
@@Jenkins87people will always find ways to mod devices if they want to just look at what they did with drilling into the 360
There's no way Nintendo are going to ban people for this unless the UID is from the wrong game. Imagine all the oblivious people who get caught in this because they bought a game from eBay.
Nintendo will just say it's now the risk of buying used games, but for the most secure experience, buy digital only.
Nintendo has no business relationship with or obligations to second-hand owners. Buying from a private person is a risk no matter the type of product, as you don't know how it's been used, or should I say misused.
Never say never,especially with Nintendo. Remember, at one time it was the reasonable position to assume that Nintendo replacing the Wii U with a Linux gaming tablet would be a failure. There was truly more reason to assume that the Switch would fail, and look at it now. Reality doesn't have the same relationship with Nintendo that other companies have, so I wouldn't put that past them.
When it comes to Nintendo, always expect the worst. They will do it.
Will be interesting to see if they do keep track of which UID goes to what game. They didn't match UIDs to games for the 3DS game carts, so we'll have to see if Nintendo changed that or not. Probably just a matter of time until someone finds out the hard way.
I'd be excited to hear about what kind of homebrew possibilities arise from devices like this. If Retroarch worked on it for example, That alone might justify the purchase for anyone with an unhackable switch that can't afford/can't solder a modchip.
Or if this becomes a vector for creating a custom "game" that allows softmodding of the Switch without having to solder anything.
It can only play signed Switch games, so no, it will never be able to play homebrew. It's a piracy device and nothing more. There's no reason to bother buying one.
@@moth.monster Heyyyy, looks like someone didn't watch the video!
@@dolan-dukspeaking as someone who has experience in the switch hacking field, the avenue of a custom “game” has been widely explored already and any possibilities have already been exhausted. this flashcart requires a valid, signed dump of games, because it doesn’t just remove the signature checks from the gamecart reader. in fact, nintendo could patch this out entirely very easily if they choose to, so there’s a possibility this flashcart may not even work in the future
Developer says it’s not built to do that and what little they’ve said it’s basically incapable of anything besides copying licenses
Thanks for putting the implications of this on the ecosystem up front. I really appreciated your approach and analysis of the possible outcomes now that this will be available... Good job!
My pleasure!
I appreciate the lack of pretending this scene is "totally wholesome 100 homebrew devs", while at the same time still watching your words carefully.
Like, not expecting a soapbox rant about ethics or for everyone to have the balls that Wulfden had talking about the 3DS, but it's just nice to not see someone act so fake about it.
I remember watching Tech Rules' video on the 3DS and finding it super cringy how he talked about it like the majority of hackers/modder aren't interested in things beyond homebrew, and that's just "a biproduct". The vast majority of people I know in the hacking scene are not remotely homebrew devs (unless they're porting emulators) so it just seemed like overkill.
That or he is in *the single lamest hacking scene imaginable,* lol.
I hope they don't go after you so simply being informational but this vid alone is gonna blow things up!
I think one exciting application for this is for the speedrunning community - a lot of games have certain exploits only available in older versions, which can't be purchased or rolled back to if they've been updated already. This could make accessing old updates much easier as long as someone somewhere can backup a copy of that update!
This was always posible (well... Kinda) if you have a hacked Switch, you can get the NSP version of the game (which Is essencially the 1.0.0 version of the game) you can just take It and install It
This cart has a lot of impact on Nintendo. Since the Switch 2 will probably be backwards compatible with switch 1 carts the MIG might even delay it's release since there's a good possibility it will work on that too forcing Nintendo to come up with counter measures and redesign the Switch 2.
it will just show how desperate the really are, we all know how infamous they are with the whack a mole cat and mouse game on 3DS dsi XL even on decades old hardware which is pretty sad and desprate in my opinion
There will never be a switch 2. The switch is still selling shockingly well, and if that ever changes, there will have been enough advancements in hardware to create something new.
They already have counter-measures that would prevent game piracy via these methods. No update is required for the current switch, nor the switch 2. The crypto keys are tied to the individual cartridge ID and if two cartridge IDs are inserted into two internet-connected Switches at the same time, both get the ban hammer.
Nintendo WILL probably have to come up with a process to UNBAN a Switch, if someone buys a used game that someone else created a copy of and someone gets their switched banned due to no fault of their own, though..
Exactly my thought. Well, it's the same old situation that tracks back to PS2 era: if you'd took on latest tech gimmicks and industry's standards, be sure sooner or later it will be probed, abused and exploited against your market position. In case of Switch, frankly, this SD thing came a way later, one could say. In worst case scenario, N would go too far and drop hardware compactibility with Switch for its expected successor, only supporting a limited digital backlog of Switch games.
I'm also not happy with perspectives of bootlegs on NS cartridge market. Time to get the most wanted Switch titles for my shelves, before collecting them become so complicated. Gladly, for me there aren't that many games that are deserved to be on them.
Honestly I hope yuzu develops an easier and faster installation process on devices like the steam deck and asus ROG ally. That way nintendo will have no choice but to lower physical (and digital) game prices.....
As someone who has an obsession with keeping physical media, but also wanting to not swap cards constantly, I love this. I hope a nice easy way to back up my cartridges comes around so I can just have one card to play all my party games without fighting swapping cards.
but this forces you to eject and reinsert to change game, and depending on how many game you have on one of these you could be there for a while, at which point switching the cartridge might have been the less hassle way of playing that game. As stated in the video the cartridge dumper is the most interesting part of this irritation. A v2 with a different mechanism to change games might be better for the use case your suggesting.
there is a switch cartridge dumper coming out by the same company, you can buy them in a bundle
One of the most laziest things I've heard in my life, you can't be bothered to use your hands to pull a cart out and put another one in, omega lul!
@@MagicBrownMan exactly, this doesn't in any way save your physical card slot from degradation, it actually harms it more. The only reason to do this is to save your self 20 seconds of pulling the cart from it's game case and placing the previous cart back in its case. This will degrade the cart slot faster than just switching carts.
agreed, I'm looking forward to getting all those digital only titles that I put off buying, at least I can now own them for real.
Yay, that has a lot of potential
A nice way to share games with friends
As someone who owns a patched console, man I’ve been waiting for this
I've been waiting for this, too, but I'm likely to continue to wait for the response and the second generation that emerges as those who're more eager than I am take it to limits I don't understand, and adapt it in ways I want as features. For now, seeing this is enough.
Almost perfect! Gonna wear out the eject parts a lot faster!
yeh thats what i was thinking you would be onto the next switch in no time cause you fked up the slot on the one you had that is gonna get expensive.
Have you ever heard of that happening on anything with parts like this? Even after years (decades in some cases now) of use they still work perfectly. I doubt that a few extra clicks is gonna be the straw that breaks the camels back.
At first it disappointed me, but isn’t it cheaper to fix your switch instead of buying 5 games?
You're more likely to wear out your joycons first
@@greenagoo- Using this cart would increase that exponentially.
I hope they can come up with some kind of button to switch games instead of having to put repetitive stress on the card slot.
As someone who has a ton of physical games and is too lazy to get up and switch carts, I could benefit from this
I’m super interested in the dumper. I’m not too stressed about getting roms for retro consoles, but I usually don’t mess with that kind of stuff with current gen consoles, just because of how sketchy it all is. Dumping my own games without having to hack my switch would be such a time saver
Same. I want a dumper so I can try playing using my steam deck.
rainworld player spotted
The new R36s has actual arcade Roms such as NARC, MS Pac Man, arcade Spiderman..Punch Out!
Do they make a dumper, too?
Just pirate the games…
If anything is going to push Nintendo to release the Switch 2, this is it.
When people start dumping used games that's when they are truly screwed.
@@_paczki oh, poor nintendo :3c
this thing need at least wait until nintendo 2 have arrived 😁
Well switch 2 is supposed to be compatible with this gen, so this could potentially work also on the switch 2.
@@Macs I could see something like this pushing switch 2 towards being a download only device. Or, if they feel like they have to have physical media they might go the PS5 route and make the unit that can read carts more expensive.
Very interesting and informative video thanks!
I still don't fully understand why folks are concerned about buying 'used' copies though. This device doesn't copy or make that process any easier; you still need a modded switch to dump the files (or I'm guessing in the future there could be some export device that plugs into the computer and dumps the roms and unique IDs). But here is why I'm confused:
why would anyone making bootlegged games - or buy this product - go out and buy a new game, dump the data and then sell it back? I think a quick google search would give you the rom already and save you the hassle? This also extends to folks stating they will sell their current library once they export the roms? 'SOME' might, but most aren't going to do that and just search google for them.
So going by that above, only the original cartridge used to dump roms online are at risk. Which also means the risk of buying used has been the same since people figured how to hack the V1 switch. The only folks I see putting in that extra work now would be people that want personal backups and try to stay 100% legal which means you make your own backups and don't download them online. Note: this is legality from a court/law in America standpoint, not morally what is fine or not.
I personally hope this product does stay around and I'd like to have it someday, but they'll need to find a better way to shuffle the roms and wait for the community to find a way to use this as a way to hack the switch via software instead of hardware.
They are also releasing a dumper device that will let you do this without a modded switch.
My kids have had several cartridges die like Minecraft and Mario. It's not cheap replacing them. Having a backup would be nice
I was waiting for this video as soon i saw the community post 😌👍❤️
Great video, really goes through the pros and cons of the flash cart for non-piracy-related stuff. Seems like a good idea to hold out for now and see if a better option comes along, especially with the fact that you have to keep popping in and out the cartridge. I'm sure there will be a future update eventually where you don't need to do that.
I was thinking that the flash cart could simulate being ejected? But I don't know whether the switch mechanically checks if a cartridge was ejected.
This thing brings up so many opportunities tbh. Imagine they just made a program that could install custom firmware just like that without going thru all the things that were needed to mod a switch before, could also make OLED and lite switches easily jailbroken (also newer gen swithes)
Thanks for the video. Good point at 8:21. As someone who likes to buy 2nd hand games, this now terrifies me!
Question: Once you have taken the card out and put it back in for each game, are you able to quickly switch between the games via the switch's main menu, or do you still have to manually take it out and put it back in to cycle between them?
I won't use this until the switch is finished, I really enjoy collecting physical games, but I've been waiting for something like the R4 card for the switch, this will keep the console alive for years to come.
I agree with the need to proceed with caution here, but I am very excited about the prospect of having xci files of the games I own, to be able to patch them or even emulate them!
Their v2 should include a button on the cartridge that cuts a circuit or something to emulate the cycling without ejecting.
Hi ! Do you mind sharing the link of their store or any site they have listed the product for pre-order ?
As an owner of a large amount of physical Switch games, I suspect my concerns about the tanking of the used game market supercedes my interest in playing game dumps on my unhacked Switch.
Am very intrigued in seeing how this plays out and what changes in the security handshake would have to occur to make plausible the Switch 2 being backwards compatible with physical Switch cartidges now thst this exists.
I don't really get why that's such a concern when DS flash carts were incompatible on the 3ds, despite it also being backwards compatible
@aikesscs Nintendo obvs had a lot longer to update the security on the 3DS to combat DS flash cards. If rumours are to be believed the Switch 2 could release as early as the end if this year, which does cut it a touch finer. It's not a huge issue. Just interesting.
@@aikesscs you might need a refresher on how the DS flash carts worked because they were indeed compatible and just needed Software Updates AKA changing what game showed up when inserted then the 3ds would boot into it until ninty pushed another "security patch" The MIG is more Direct than launching unsigned code that the m3 and r4 did. The Sky was a nightmare for ninty and couldnt get patched out of the 3ds at all.
TBH, nintendo is the only one in the big three with this problem rn. PS4 and Xbox one emulation is gonna take 10+ years to get to RPCS3 levels, and the Series X and PS5 have tons of digital sales with DRM filled games that persuade impatient gamers to digitally buy.
What does nintendo offer? Expensive $60 games that never drop in price? Digital sales where games are the same price as their physical editions? Nintendo must figure this out asap.
@@chainingten3819both the PS4 and PS5 have been jailbroken, pirated PS4 games can be played on both but not online, PS5 games should be able to run if people figure out why game dumps are still imperfect
There's also a running PS4 emulator for Linux but it runs like shit with frequent crashes for now.
I definitely plan to get a Mig Switch cart but I'm going to wait a few months to see if Nintendo figures out how to detect this and starts banning accounts or devices before ordering one
If you dont use your own Games, you will get instaban, since all Roms share Keys and Like 20 ppl playing the Same physical Card. All Banned then
So like if I borrow a cart from one of my friends I can get banned?
This card is going to be valuable after Nintendo discontinues the Switch. I would get one and just keep it unopened until Nintendo releases the new console and start closing the services on the Switch
i hope that they wont ban accounts if they are online at the same time but just let this happen i mean this revolutionary
Thank you for the info! New sub for the update! Hopefully Nintendo keeps it up because I would never think to look for knock offs and then the devs don’t get paid
i buy all my games as digital release so i am not too worried about piracy, what i am excited for is the potential possibility to use this card to soft mod switch models that where previously not modable, with more modable switches out there, hopefully the homebrew scene will start to pick up, i remember back in the day the 3DS and the Wii homebrew scene where great, there was some really cool stuff out there.
My thoughts exactly. I don't want to pirate any games, but it would be awesome if I could easily stick some BOTW mods on my nearly unmoddable Switch
unless you are talking about steam, i would be worried about losing access to those games. unfortunately, nintendo specially is very gung ho when it comes times to cut the cord of their live services.
Can this card run unsigned code though? That would be required for homebrew/mods.
@@tardistrailersit probably can't allow you to run homebrew. However, flash carts historically have been used as a way to enable the installation of homebrew for some systems, so maybe sometime in the future.
I check out a lot of games from libraries. This really worries me that a borrowed cartridge will get me banned.
Yeah this was the biggest takeaway from the video for me. I never even considered it.
yep, this kinda kills the entire second hand market imo. i think i'll still be able to sell my games if theres people out there still interested. but from a buyers perspective, no way i'm ever trusting a used cartridge ever again.
@@cj90123You cant even trust a new cartridge, because people can buy the card, open it, return it for a full refund. Just buy for dumping.
This will be quickly banned from stores once they know that dumping exists (like they did with CD games), but for a while it will be rampant.
I dont really see the point here anyway. Since the dump is equally worthless and gets you banned.
So just play offline. The dumper gets nothing out of stealing the IDs. And it only hurts the legit buyer. Both get banned anyway. So why do it at all.
Typical prisoners dilemma, loose-loose situation.
That's pretty good for Nintendo isn't it?
@@TragicAykit hurts the consumers how this even good thing?
Imagine the possibilities of home brew software on this machine. It would be amazing. I would love to see different operating systems working with this or some cool tools and games.
False.
Hombrew is not signed.
This thing is 100% piracy.
@@repeekyraidcero wdym "This thing is 100% piracy." i mean yeah someone will use it to pirate games but i personally will use it so i wont have to carry over 20 switch games i own and play regularly while traveling
@@repeekyraidcerogrow up, you can use this without any piracy as described in the video.
@@repeekyraidcero you are right that this does literally nothing for homebrew or custom mods.
but it also does have use cases beyond piracy. personally I've been through having a nintendo account banned and losing access to all the download only titles on that account, and have since gone only physical. 25+ games. split across multiple sd cards, this makes for a compelling way to carry a large number of games with me. rather than needing to chose 3 or so if i take a trip.
that said, i imagine this use case is
This happened before on the ds with the exact same problem.
You can write nintendo and they unban your consoles if you have the proof (the legit copy of the game) of buying the game.
This will take a loong time and they might require you to send in both the game and the console im order to do so (to check it wasnt a bootlegg copy and that this exact copy was actually the one used during the ban).
Im excited to see this technology develop. One if my biggest fears in this modern era is loosing the games ive bought digitally. With how Nintendo system locks everything, even if i log into the same Nintendo account, if my switch broke beyond the ability to do the file transfer i would simply loose access to those games. Not to mention the inevitable closer of the Eshop, and ability to redownload said games.
i can just redownload them with my nintendo account, huh?
I believe Nintendo stopped tying the games to the hardware after the 3DS. If you login to another switch, you can download them on that one too.
@@magnus1130 They just killed the 3DS that way, you can't download anything on them anymore. So you have to resort to things like this.
on the switch your games are tied to the nintendo account, even if your switch explodes you'll still have access to your games if you buy another one, the only thing you would lose would be save files from games that don't have cloud saving (pokemon for example), but besides that you can still access all of it
That’s why I try to purchase physical copies.
I had an R4 for the DS and it was so amazing, that was like 16 years ago
except it had a custom interface for all your games this would be so annoying having to eject it everytime to change games
I wish this came out sooner than it did lol. I've already stocked up on 2 V1 Switches, one I've successfully modded and another still unmodded that needs a little restoring first.
I need that ! I have around 40 games. Using 1 card could be so wonderfull !
This is very intriguing to me as a father with two kids. We have three switches and it’s pretty ridiculous that I have to buy three copies of a game for us all to play. That gets very expensive. I can’t believe that the family plan doesn’t let me share my games with my children. I have tried many work arounds to try and solve this with no luck. I might wait for another updated version of this, but I’m very interested.
If you download a game as opposed to buying it physically on your main account you should be able to play it on at least one other console that has your user account on it. It will always prompt you to checking if you're connected to the internet. Me and my sister both played Splatoon 3 with this method. I think this only works for two switches as well.
Nintendo's greed knows no bounds. They don't want you to have fun, they just want your money. Get pirating!
Problem is, Nintendo want to avoid what we all do with our Netflix, Disney +, etc accounts: in that we pay for one account and then share it with all our family at different addresses.
Wait... you can't just insert the cart into a different Switch?! What happens when you do?
This is not a workaround to your problem. As mentioned keys and certs are a thing, if you were to buy 2 mig switches, backup ur physical one and play online on all 3 of them, you'll get banned most likely.
amazing potential, the only problem with this vs the R4 for example is that you can just buy a Steam Deck instead of a Switch and play everything for free (or even on your PC)
It's already being sold on Aliexpress. I have seen it there.
There is a shop that is selling this cards.
Great Video :)
I have a tiny question. Can you also install mods for games on this.
never considered the issues of buying a used game and duplicating it online with who ever dumped it. Thanks for the heads up
The issue isn’t new though. It’s been a risk since cart dumping was a thing via CFW.
It’s just now XCIs (cart dumps) don’t need the unique ID or cert when used on CFW but it wouldn’t stop you from ripping them anyway and using them like you would with this flash cart.
Thankfully up to this point no one has been (publicly) outed as doing this although a few have claimed to do it early on.
I remember this on the original DS, it was nice to select a game like a normal file, through the gui
yeah r4
r4 for the win
I bought one with a modchip six months ago, and it feels very convenient.
The homebrew is going to be amazing on this I cannot wait for dolphin on switch
what about this makes you think homebrew will work at all? if you want homebrew use a modded switch.
Very good comments on the implications for the second hand market. Thank you for your insights
We tuned in Taki. Agree with you not covering the piracy side. Great job! I will be covering that ish and I expect mine will get taken down later today. 😢
Only unmodified XCI files work. If you modify the XCI it'll crash, if you try NSP, it'll crash
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Yes you are correct. In our live we will be showing all the testing regardless what happens. Also there are some things not covered yet and some unreleased info. That's what we will be covering. Taki did it his way which I love and respect
@@NickMoses05 other people have already covered this. Only unmodified XCI cartridge dumps work with this. It's extremely limiting. No dlc support, not update support, no NSZ/NSP
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 I hear you can update it through the switch natively
@@HL09 if you wanna get your switch banned
So this is a cool tool as I own a few switch games that I just don’t play any more since I got my steam deck, my switch is powered down and in its case gathering dust and it’s the same for the games, some of which I’ve never got round to playing so been able to use them on my deck would be really useful.
If Nintendo wants to put their games out on steam I’ll probably be more than happy to rebuy them but until then people will find ways to carry on playing their own games on new systems.
It would be cool if you could load the menu. I personally like having a local save backup that I can keep on a PC in case I lose / sell my switch