Do the FA Cup changes take away the 'magic' of the competition? | Soccer Saturday
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The Soccer Saturday panel discuss FA Cup replays after the controversial decision to scrap them was announced earlier in the week.
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Surely there has to be an alternative solution to this, the PL teams just want less games in the calendar whereas the lower league clubs want the potential revenue that replays could provide. In that case we should be looking towards finding a different way to financially compensate the lower league clubs here without having to have a replay, that way both sides get what they want. You could have home teams determined based on what league the teams are in, have replays only voided when two PL teams play each other, etc
That’s all well and good for one possible pay day .. but it virtually guarantees the lower teams that they are going out in that round .. the replay system gives them at least two paydays and if the replay is at home, there is always the possibility of an upset and another payday ..
but what I think is most disgusting from the premiership teams , is they are complaining about to many games ? Top professionals earning millions to live the dream of millions of us !
They also have huge squads and as Ferguson always did in the league cup, play the players not getting regular football in the premiership, they will be glad of a game and it rests your first 11 ..
It’s another example of the elites getting there way once again .. Money is everything now unfortunately
@@joshuaday-ou1qv I disagree, I think that if a lower league team are drawing at full time, they have a better chance of winning if the game goes to pens, rather than if they have to play a another 90, where the bigger team will have gotten a kick up the arse, so I think that there more likely of an upset without replays.
@@joshuaday-ou1qv well spoken and very true! I'm a man UTD fan and I can see your point of view! Besides that money is not the be all end all in life!
A possible solution… Instead of replays then … why doesn’t the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th round proper be played over 2-legs then? So instead of the dates set aside for replays, this should be set aside for the 2nd leg matches with no away goals. In that way the lower league clubs will be guaranteed a massive pay day. But at the 5th round then games must be settled on the day (ET and pens).
There was a solution. All the national leagues in Europe should have told UEFA to shove their never ending expansion of the UCL and their other competitions up their a**! Unfortunately, it is simply money/financial greed as always. Funny how the 'big' clubs aren't complaining about fixture congestion within the context of the Champions League. 64 more matches overall, teams playing 8 times in the group stage rather than 6. And let's not get started on FIFA and their ridiculous expansion of the World Club Cup, and the timing of its staging!
Sky sports punditry has gone so far back it's crazy. Who is making the decisions to have these pundits on. It's brutal!
It’s awful!
TNT/BT is just as bad. I don't like that they've brought all these women on, who let's be honest, the women's game isn't even at the level of the Men's Conference League, and we are supposed to accept them as experts.
@@matthewdoyle3628 there's many male commentators who have never been involved in the game at all so i don't see why it matters.
Good job nobody takes a blind bit of notice of them
@@matthewdoyle3628at last someone agrees with me they make the game so complicated
did they intentionally try to get the dumbest humans possible for this lineup?
Seeding is just a ridiculous idea from Merson, but think giving smaller teams the option to switch the tie to opponents ground is viable if replays are scrapped. If you seed it all the big teams make it through every time becomes predictable.
They are doing their best to ruin it, first they moved the semi finals to Wembley from neutral grounds then they moved the time the final kicks off from 3 pm to after 5 pm, they don't seem to like tradition.
Wembley IS neutral.
@@tombartram7384 I'm aware of that but , the spectacle of going to Wembley for the final as a special day is diminished because you've already played the semi final there.
@@laurasands8322 when we see acres of empty seats I'll take your point. I'm Welsh btw and since Wales games moved from the Nation Rugby Stadium to avoid such embarrassment to the Cardiff City ground the atmosphere is banging.
Agree with Merson, the bigger team should host if they're doing away with replays because the smaller teams need the money
Doesn’t eliminate any chances of a upset ? As big teams will have home advantage and pitches will be bigger ?
To be honest it hasn’t been brilliant since the all day coverage on the BBC. You got up and plonked yourself in front of the tv. It’s a knockout, go to the hotels where the teams were staying, coaches leaving the hotel. The kids final of the penalty competition. Real build up to the main event. Great days TV. The replays to get to this point were part of the competition.
Exeter was Man Utd but we were in the conference at the time and struggling. That draw at Old Trafford and bringing them back literally saved the club financially.
People are overstating the money for lower level clubs. Merse was making out like FA cup replays are some clubs only source of revenue.
A few things to remember:
- Lower level clubs now have a better opportunity of progressing further in the cup. Instead of having to put in another unlikely good performance against a top team in the event of a draw, they can now go through via a penalty shootout which is effectively a 50/50 chance. Then, they progress to another round and receive funds from the next cup game too.
- All of the talk surrounding this is about the top teams not wanting to play too many games and pick up injuries. Actually, this decision is more of a benefit to the EFL and lower clubs as they will have far weaker squads and play more league matches in a season than prem teams.
- Why would you want one of your top players to get injured and possibly muck up your league season with potential promotion to a higher league with better consistent sponsorship and tv revenue and prize money for the sake of a fourth round replay at the Etihad where you’re going to lose anyway?
- More often than not matches are settled in 90 minutes without the need for a replay anyway (especially in the case of the David vs Goliath ties). Teams are playing to win the games not draw them…
I get it. I understand why people are questioning the decision and raising concerns but there has been a massive overreaction to this change and actually it’s really not all bad.
Why can't we just go back to the 80,90,s with the football rules was so much more better and exciting 💯% all these rules VAR now no more replays football is on a downward spiral!!!
Many of us dont want those old times, boring 0:0 draws and then a goal from an offside position..... yeah, nah . Look forward and not backwards in life.
Nah, football is better now.
You obviously don't remember the 80s. Football in England was in turmoil riddled with violence, awful long ball football, bad pitches, terrible stadiums etc. It was football's darkest era.
It's centralisation and controlled demolition, someday long into the future they will say that we must only allow robots to play pro because of H&S
PL complaining about number fixtures. Non league teams with very small squads so no chance of rotation play 46 league matches but various cup competitions AND the majority of players have daytime jobs. Some lose money from the daytime job when they travel away and have to have time off
100% agree with Tim Sherwood , players complaining about being tired 🤷🏻♂️ .. then if you don’t play , you don’t get paid ? See how many are “ Tired” then !! Pampered and spoilt , should be thanking the heavens every day that they get to live the life they have ..
why fix something that does not need fixing? lower teams need all the help they can get, its time to bridge the gap between big clubs and small clubs, in the eyes of the law and financial fair play all teams should be treated equal! I m a Manchester United fan. I believe every team should have the potential to compete!
If the big teams say they are tired because they play too many games then why do they go on these overseas tours and play more games
Even the Nottingham Forrest was moaning their playing too many games? what 38 games a season and a few extra cup games? out of the top 6 only Aston Villa played a replay this season it was hardy a problem
there used to be an fa cup final day where the coverage would start at like 9 am and would finish at like half nine plus it used to be the final game of the season and there is like five games after it which is stupid
It makes perfect sense, is rather a good call
100% destroys it boycott EPL and support your local teams the FA can do one
I, for one, came here to hear Sue Smith's opinion..
tin tin
The magic of the competition died decades ago.
I've noticed for years that it's not just premier league teams putting out the reserve team,it's also lower league teams who are challenging for promotion or trying to avoid the relegation zone.
2 million pound to the team that wins seriously.
If it wants to be taken seriously, it needs to offer more.
Teams today would rather win a European competition there's more coverage and money that goes with that.
great to see such an assemblance of intellect debating current issues in such an informed and articulate manner.
oh wait nope.
they can hardly formulate a sentence between them.
box ticking at it's finest.
Those proposed FA Cup changes in brief:
1. No replays.
2. 2024/25 competition to start with quarter finals, scrapping all the earlier rounds. The 8 clubs involved wil be the top 8 from this seasons' final PL table.
3. The 8 clubs will feature their reserve teams (so, no real change there).
4. 2025/26 FA Cup will consist of just the final (no earlier rounds). The two clubs competing will be the two with the biggest bank balances. (This usually happens anyway).
5.2026/27 FA Cup will scrap all rounds, including the final. The trophy will be awarded to the club with the biggest bank balance at the start of the season.
6. 2027 to the forseeable future:
see number 5.
The advantages being listed include:
Less travel for all fans, especially those with no chance of winning the FA Cup.
A lot less matches for the star players of the top clubs, especially those awkward trips to small clubs with their cramped facilities and muddy pitches.
The outcome will be the same, without all the fuss and bother of playing the matches, so fixture congestion will be alleviated (allowing more time for all those pointless European trophies).
Hope that clarifies things.
Replays are not the thing that makes the FA cup, if they draw and ONLY if they draw, they get a replay, it’s not a given
Also, the fact is this makes it actually easier for lower teams to progress, if they draw they have to play another game and don’t progress, if they draw now, it goes to pens and stand a better chance of progress
Why are none of these so called pundits admitting this?!
Because if they play 2 games they get more money and a smaller side needs that revenue
What Merse said at the end was SPOT ON.
The FA Cup has been a thing of the past for many years, top clubs enter late and when they do they play their 2nd string, and lower clubs playing for promotion play their 2nd string. The FA Cup has lost its appeal
Can’t teams before the game decide if they want a replay or not?
If both teams agree then settle the game on the day, if there’s no agreement then it goes to replay.
I think is good you should also address ref and var issue because is becoming toxic
what an idea, seeded Fa cup so smallest team gets most money playing away at biggest team.
The FA Cup rules should be made by the FA for the football league, if the prem teams don't want to follow the rules then they don't play in the tournament. Let us see how fans react when a team says they aren't going to play in the FA Cup.
so basically more money making games (world club cup) + (Bigger world cup) so great for big teams but zero benefit for the lower teams.
The magic of tootbal went as soon as the premier league started .... fraudulent from the start....no replays these huge sides got huge squads
That final comment from Tim Sherwood was bang on.
Should've been that unless you're in Europe you have to play a replay and if you're in a 30,000+ stadium you host the game.
I can never forget a game at Stamford Bridge with no replay required and Bradford City fans singing "Can we play you every week?"
I’d prefer replays, but with more added games in other club/international competitions something has to give. However, I did dislike it when a big club got a last ditch equalizer to take it to a replay they invariably win. Without a replay we might get the smaller clubs winning through a penalty shootout adding to the romance of the competition.
League cup has to go.
sky sports really hate ETH 😂 the guy said a "roaster of premier league managers" but just says eth 😭
The magic is still there, the motivation for lesser teams is diminished, they will focus on their leagues more now rather than try to earn an extra gate.
Scrapping the FA cup replay is good for the well being of epl players especially teams playing in European competitions if is the matter of money let the game play in the home ground of big clubs settled it like that.
Disagree with Merson, shouldn't be about the money, should be about the fans. Fans don't want to watch two games.
Yes they do. Why would a smaller team not want to watch there side hold a team higher up and earn a chance to beat them?
@@shaymason6146 that’s about 0.5% of matches . Focus on the majority of games which are equally matched or against lower opposition. Don’t have the narrow view.
Putting money to one side and thinking of football. If the game is a draw between a big club and small club do they not have more of a chance of winning in extra time or pens than another 90 mins though? I think the one off nature of a fixture makes it more likely for giant killing than giving big clubs a second chance to beat them. Also the FA are responsible for protecting the national team players to make England more successful. Just thoughts about the other side of the argument that the media aren’t mentioning.
Yes. Yes it does.
That blue greenish for TinTin my eyes 😱
These players earn enough each week to buy a house, so that could be at least 3 or 4 houses each month. Rest of us it takes on average 25 years to buy one house if we’re lucky.
Put that into perspective.
no way should the draw for the FA Cup be pre-determined with seeds - the live draw is part of the appeal
also why should the bigger boys have the luxury of a home game ? big boys going to small hostile stadiums where the pitches are slightly more challenging makes it the most exciting domestic cup competition
This is why i never understood the idea of replays, like what magic does this give anyway? Bigger teams either win(mostly) or shocking lose against smaller/lower/non league teams without needing a replay. Like most of the time replays only happen in the earlier rounds with the smaller/lower/non league teams against each other, like it barely happens against the bigger teams anyway. So replays are generally pointless.
But to play devil's advocate here, the prem wanting to abolish the replays makes no sense when they hardly even get into that situation.
They have also decided to abolish if for the 1st and 2nd round before prem or even champ teams even enter, replays in those rounds are way more common and so useful for non-league and even lower league 2 sides to earn extra revenue, just the prem trying to flex their muscles and seeing how far they can push it tbh
Pundits just blah blah blah, they live off the premiership. If they really cared they would call for a boycott of FA cup. They won't they want to be on TV having free lunch and travel and not going to Grimsby on a cold midweek FA game.
Its about the smaller club having a chance of winning not just the money
Dawson is right. Without replays, Middlesborough would have played League Cup semis this season instead of Chelsea
@@mwgaming5167 what are you waffling about? The semis are 2-legged now, but who's to say the second leg wouldn't be scrapped? And Chelsea were atrocius in the first leg, so anyone who watched the game would agree that that first leg was Boro's best chance to qualify. And a lot of such opportunities would arise if the FA cup was played in one legs only. Also, league cup replays were scrapped few years ago. Today, FA cup replays are going away. You really think anything is a given in modern football? Even Uefa tournaments are changing. "Fans" like you will need to get their heads out of the sand because your used-to norms are no longer norms.
Going to see way more upsets might be fun
How bout if the lower league teams are level at 90mins against the poor tired multi player squad premier league teams they automatically go through
Scrap international friendlies that would make more sense
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no replays? what a load of crap. All those teams in the lower leagues depend on replays. It makes as much as a difference to them as two home games from prem teams like my own Spurs. It is an awful decision and the big clubs should fight along side clubs from lower leagues to have it over turned
6.33 ''you're not gonna get a league 1 or league 2 side ever winning the premier league'' ..... WHAT ?
Pundits have been moaning about the FA Cup being devalued for over 40 years. It’s what the competition’s best known for
Give the lower leagues bigger slice of the money if replays are scrapped. Maybe the competition should be seeded from round one onwards like merse said. Scrap extra time aswell go straight to pens gives smaller teams a chance to cause an upset. Money needs to be fairly distributed
The big clubs will fly all over the world playing in pre season tournaments, they can’t play a replay?
World Cup more games
UCL more games
Something has to give
over 700 clubs play in the fa cup, replays are 2 extra games big clubs can just put out a weaker side its not that deep its what they do anyway tbh
Should just have lottery on who wins the FA cup in the Summer first out winner , next runner up problem solved lol
What cracks me up is no one mentions how many games all the EFL teams and non league teams play with EFL trophy, fa trophy in non league, play well over 50 a season with any half decent cup run 😂 crying for no reason as usual the big clubs
yes the magic is gone in the FA cup if these changes happen
Once UEFA increase EPL number to 10 teams in Euro Comps then FA and League Cups are done
It's simple. There are too many matches for the top teams and it's logical that they want to play less games to protect themselves from injuries. However the problem is that instead of protesting the massive expansions uefa and fifa are making because they want more money, they are letting the historic competitions suffer. It's ridiculous. Just stop allowing uefa and fifa make their super leagues. They have made more changes and expansions in the past few years than the past few decades....
i like a lot of what you said however although i understand big clubs protecting there players they have bigger squads they get paid millions and whinge about it yet there all to happy to play in these expanded european CL Europa league World club cup you cant have it both ways
@richardandrews5972 i agree with what you say with one exception. I agree they certainly have the money to have more players but it becomes very difficult to manage massive squads and get the tactical plan set, which then makes it very hard for managers. Another issue is these big competitions bring more money so teams play mostly their best 11 so the best players are overused. In contrast the fa cup has games against easier teams which gives the chance for players to rest and for youngsters to get gametime. Corporate heads are just seeing that uefa and fifa will bring them more money and dont think about heritage or their own players....they just want to milk as much money as possible. So if they had to choose between fa cup and expansions of uefa and fifa competitions, they choose the latter.
Moving the Semis to Wembley. TNT sports getting the rights, so less free to air access. The extra UEFA games. One thing after another eroding the magic.
If a PL team draws against each other then there should be no replay, however if its a against a loweer level team replay stays.
Funny thing, if you are that big then you have to be beating these so called smaller clubs! Pure Greed
not having the premier league teams facing non league or something is selfish
Make all the premier league clubs give all the gate money and tv money to the lower divisions if they don’t want play replays
Absolutely against seeded draws. It's all down to luck of thr draw. Why can't football bodies just LEAVE things alone
If the top clubs want less fixtures, exempt yourself from the EFL Cup. And cut the Prem to 18 teams, in line with the Bundesliga. The FA Cup has been trashed enough. Time to leave it, as it is.
The magic of the FA cup disappeared a long time ago. Replays are a waste of time and just further clog up the fixture list. Players play too many games as it is.
Can I ask what team you follow? I support Hereford United, or Hereford FC we are now. Every year we dream of getting a big team and maybe getting a reply. It’s about the day out. Seeing your team against one of the big boys. Going to the likes of Old Trafford or any Prem or ex Prem ground. I might just be because I follow a smaller club but yeah. Awful that FA has changed it, in my opinion
@@owainhanford427 Fair enough. Maybe the idea of the big teams hosting the tie's against smaller teams might be a compromise
“If you’re winning football games you don’t get tired” clearly not when Rodri is coming and saying he’s tired after winning every game Tim you sausage
Wrong! Rodri said that after a bad performance against Real Madrid. In Rodri’s case, he deserves a pass because City don’t really have a backup for him.
The fa doesn’t want the smaller clubs if they all went into administration they will not care…
Thankfully these brain boxes get to give their opinions.
You never hear National League.players moaning,they just get on with it ! If a smaller team gets a draw against a bigger team,then the FA should compensate them 100k for loss of earnings European football is now too over complicated,keep replays,but,if you're IN Europe,then you're OUT of the 2 domestic cups !
It's absolute pathetic the big teams wanted this ,the f.a are a disgrace
FA cup should be seeded. The lowest seeded teams in the competition drawn against the highest.
If lower league teams need FA Cup replays to survive, they need better financial management. Why are they not self-sustaining? Don't they operate under PSR? It's like telling McDonalds they have to have a few days a year where they send their profits to the small independent chipper down the road, to help the 'pyramid'.
In all my 60 years of FA cup it’s never been so bad.
It’s the best cup tradition in the world and the big boys are destroying it .
So . Why not let the premiership alone and start a whole new ball game . For the football league .
Call it the football league championship.
The big boys can can go and get lost .
( and Man City ? )
Screw friendly internationals absolutly pointless
FA Cup is not a top competition any more to the big clubs.
All these changes are just ruining football over football was fine
as a Rangers fan this is making me LAUGH OUT LOUD . Specifically at the little pricks on here who are like '' haha scottish football farmers league'' . Outwith your precious EPL , all clubs are struggling for cash . And as Ive said thousands of times , Rangers and Celtic are bigger than 90% of clubs in your country . Weird how Swansea and Cardiff get in but Rangers and Celtic dont . There is a reason for that - Rangers and Celtic are brands worldwise and are bigger than 12-14 teams in your precious EPL . This is hilarious though. Irony isnt something english people do .
I just can’t understand what some of these commentators are saying . Really weird accents. Is it that hard to find some top ex players who speaks with an acceptable English accent?
Greed nothing but greed football will suffer long term
Why are they all sitting so far apart?? Does Sky have its own covid 🤣
The powerplay between UEFA and FIFA. They both want more games for the big clubs or for countries. The players are playing too many games as it is and players Union are no way to be seen. The losers are the fans, the players and the lower league clubs.
Give £500,000 prize money to any club L1 and below who draw at normal time with a premier league team
Second 😂😂
The Premier League and governing bodies favour more lucrative competitions and this move is an affirmation of the declining relevance of this competition their eyes. More games are coming, something had to give and the FA cup lost out this time. There will be more changes like this to come. Get used to the “elite” becoming further segregated.
FA Cup game its a beautiful special game for all us think about our fans and out feelings football its about the people Manster knows nothing about football Man United they are involved with it we won't let the beautiful game die in front in our faces we have to make Manster pay off all those glory hunters backs Manster shame on you
Sad day for British football.its just all about money😮
First!
All the prem clubs are cry babies it's ruined it for the smaller clubs that depend on the replays too servie
Paul merson talks rubbish
Just empty talks!!! What kind of magic to see when bigger teams destroy smaller teams in second match by already taking them a bit more seriously after the draw??? That was useless rule and finally got rid off! Better to have one match and penalty shootout. This way smaller teams have more chances to catch bigger teams and go through!
The money is needed for them
NURSES, Police Army all essential services on crap money. Footballers moan about to many games, being paid more than any essential workers. They are taking the piss out of us all. Wake up.
Why are they all for FA Cup replays? Happy with fans spending more money on tickets and travel costs instead of it being decided in the one game
The rich looking after themselves again. There are 92 league teams that all have passionate fans who spend their hard earned money watching them. Football is bigger than these billionaires who have no recognition of the football pyramid.
Kids used to dream about their team one day competing at the top - with the premier league as it is those dreams will never come true
Nope. EPL trounced FA cup decades ago. 750 teams in a competition with teams you have never heard of. What a joke. Scrap the FA cup itself.
This pundit lineup is sooo washed! Same insights from the DEI additions...
these football players are on big dollars and a luxury lifestyle, they need to shut up and play! the the players are nothing without the fans! they should not be complaining that they are playing too many games, kids in Africa have no food to eat and these sports players, want more money rather being grateful! football has become a money making business! sad to say! and I love the game!