I Saw Three Versions of Gemini Man In One Day: A 60 FPS Vlog
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- čas přidán 12. 10. 2019
- Clickbait Title: Two Will Smiths? You Won't Believe What Happens Next!
I had to go home and take a nap in between viewings because the 3D HF DBOX UltraAVX Experience™ was just that draining.
Presented in 60fps because I've fallen victim to my own weird quirks of replicating carious elements of a film in the videos I make about those films. In the last two days I've had a bigger existential crisis about the narrative value of HFR than the characters had about being clones/cloned. I broadly agree with the sentiment that audiences can and will acclimate to HFR as they watch more of it, but that's definitely never going to happen if it all looks like this. I can settle in and feel comfortable and normal watching HFR footage of my own creation, like this vlog, but Gemini Man resisted that at every turn. Everything looked bad, sped up, and cheap. Ang Lee seems to have decided that a "real" explosion looks like a firework, with a bunch of sparks in the mix, because sparks are really easy for the brain to track in HFR, so they look neat. But I couldn't ever get past it looking "neat". It was like watching stock footage or a tech demo for two hours. There's no attempt at using the frame rate to enhance the emotional state, it's just "turn it up to 11 and leave it there" which makes the experience just tiring.
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He saw three versions of Gemini Man so we wouldn’t need to see any version of Gemini Man. We all owe him our gratitude!
Rust With Lou can we pin this plz
I was told the Haunter rating of this film was 0/5 so I already made my decision before this fantastic man underwent this cinematic triathlon.
This in no way undermines the inspiration I feel. 🇨🇦
Dan Olson died a little inside for our sins.
I like Hulk more than Life of Pi... for a certain definition of "like"... so I can respect a man who can put up with one Ang Lee film let alone the same Ang Lee film three times.
Not all heroes wear capes.
When I was in South Korea I went on a "Ride" that used seats like those 4dx rigs. The "Tickler" was a piece of rope with a knot tied in the end. During the climatic finish of the ride, a huge gust of air was blown out from underneath the chair, and every single male on the ride got racked in the 'nads with a knotted rope.
Great experience, would love to spend 30+ dollars to revisit.
I'm reminded of the "tingler" with Vincent Price, thanks to Gilbert Godfrey.
That setup would be perfect for that ball torture scene in Casino Royale. Also a must-have for any future Jackass-style stunt movie.
This *is* a popular fetish currently. Ballbusting it's called, a friend tells me.
@@md-ev5ew Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the internet :D .
It's the Casino Royale experience
when you're in 4DX and the sᴍᴇʟʟ machine kicks on
dan: oh boy it sᴍᴇʟʟs like sᴍᴇʟʟ
This made me laugh really hard thanks buddy
this gives me mr. krabs "something smells very smelly" vibes which is amazing
What I think is funny is that the smell addition to movies has already been tried. Smellovision appeared in 1960, but the smells were often so strong and stayed in the air even as new smells were added. So the end result was sickening and it was never used outside a single film.
I've been thinking about this 2 year old youtube comment all week
Martin Scorsese calls modern movies theme park rides, and modern movies respond by shaking your chair around and covering you in fake snow.
I need to look up my local theme parks to see if any of them dare to blow bubbles on their rides.
RedLetterMedia were saying that years ago already. 4DX really sounds like just another step in that direction.
@@sednoid The same Red Letter Media who then gives positive reviews to all those theme park rides?
@@vivena9 Theme park rides are fun they just aren't high art.
This is literally what Universal Studios does for Shrek 4D
That's six Will Smiths in less than 24 hours!! Five Smiths more than a regular person can handle!!
Make it six more.
That's just too much jiggy.
ALERT WOLL SMOTH!
Not if those Smiths are grannies -- regular bowel movements are important!
Speak for yourself, I have trained myself over the years and can handle at least two and a half Will Smiths...
Im getting flashbacks to the Shrek 4D ride at Universal Studios where Donkey sneezed and we all got sprayed with water and the entire audience yelled in disgust
I'm hollering WHAT
thats what i thought of too ! ugh that was a Nasty experience. and i remember the ~smell of smell~ too
@@fjr4205 Oh yeah, that's been a thing for their rides for a while. I remember seeing "Honey I Shrunk the Audience" when I was very young, and the final bit having an enormous dog "sneeze" at me.
Oh God I remember this
I LOVED THAT ATTRACTION
"The critical flaw is the film itself." PUT THAT ON THE COVER
"The Idea of Scent" - the new premium fragrance by Dan Olson
"Smell like...Something?"
Smells like LaCroix
The Folding* Idea of Scent
Wait. They really doing smell-o-vision unironically???? Holyshit.
Our new system activates during in movie fight scenes and deploys a proprietary advanced boxing glove,
Remember when they did it for Spy Kids 4? I think they replicated it for the home video release with scratch and sniff cards.
They actually got real Will Smith smells.
Right? I just kept thinking about William Castle; especially The Tingler.
@@coen123 I always forget the fourth one was a thing. Although, to be honest, I always forget the first one was a thing. Only the second and third quite make it to the level of transcendent absurdity that stick out in my head.
This movie felt like a sitcom because it's part of the prince of bel aire cinematic universe
Now this is a story all about how
I DISCOVERED THAT I WAS A CLONE
@@elvellarambles9151 no wonder he was sent to live with his aunt and uncle, it all makes sense now
@@elvellarambles9151 My genes got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the clone of a town called Bel-Air
I think strobe lights in theaters were a terrible idea. “Are you enjoying your immersive experience? Feel like your inside the movie right now? How about we, just for a split second, shine a light on the seats and people in front of you and the walls around you? That won’t remind you of the fact that you are sitting in a theater at all.”
also its a seizure risk, and i resent that
A tickler adds vibration to your legs for a full-body experience.
Thanks, I hate it.
A Dan Olsen adds tickles to your legs for a full-body experience.
@@peterprime2140 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Peter Prime now in that case at least the Dan Olson could also engage me in conversation about film
@@Flowtailso you’re saying the Tickler could be improved by adding a speaker that plays Dan at you?
Dan's car in a parking lot has more interesting and dynamic lighting than Gemini Man.
Well, dan is actually good at color grading.
That 4DX ad made me mad at both the idea anyone would pay to install all that garbage and mad for the poor ushers who have to clean up after it.
It looks interesting and I'd like to try it out sometime, but it's incredibly useless and yes, poor cinema workers. They're usual job cleaning already sounds annoying
"The upper lip doesn't behave properly..."
Did Will Smith have a mustache while they were filming this?
And a beard. It's right there in the poster.
Yeah, it's basically the same reason Henry Cavil's lips look rubbery and fake in all of the reshoots for Justice League. It's incredibly difficult to reproduce authentic looking face movements, so even small issues really stand out, which is exacerbated by the high frame rate/high resolution that already makes flaws more noticeable
It's because actual human upper lips aren't muscularly controlled except by moving other muscles. Like scrucnhing up your nose for example. They made a mistake in that they treated the upper lip like the lower lip where it can move independently, which made it just seem off. Though the mustache also may have had something to do with it.
THANK YOU! I thought I was crazy!
How long til 4DX starts swinging skeletons overhead and having actors run through the theaters wrestling fake giant worms?
Is that a nod to William Castle?
I would LOVE theatres that did this.
i think that goes full circle back to traditional plays
Dude, that's the dream
Is that a reference to something in particular?
This is when the ideas fold into themselves
The fact that they're unironically doing smell-o-vision is sending me
The thing is the satirical smell o vision was based on an entirely unironic roadshow picture presentation tech.
Linda Televangelista or do you mean
“scenting me”??????
When do we get taste-o-vision?
Dan, I can’t believe you spent TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS to watch a made-for-tv movie. And then decided to watch it again. And then again. You madman
It's like Performance Art never died!
@@bumfuzzlebro a maddan
@@mirmalchikMadden ‘08
"the sent wafting throughout the theater. which never failed to smell like anything more than the generic idea of scent...." oke so for someone who was born without a sense of smell that sentence is a wild ride beginning to end................
I'm not sure but I think I know the smell he's talking about. I'd say "generic scent" smells like what those mediocre acoustic guitar covers all around the internet sound like if that helps lol
Ecrivon Lunyx ...anyway here’s WonderWhiff
@@Flowtail 6 months later. This is a godly comment lmfao
Like the smell of the accelerant and the carbon dioxide propellant and stuff they add to stop the nozzles clogging and the oil that should have the essence of something dissolved in it but not enough extract?
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs I bet you're actually 100% correct
Dan, we're worried about you. Is this a cry for help?
How many burritos has he consumed?!
"Nah I'm fine, just watched a Will and Jaden Smith movie three times in a row ffs!"
yes
The sheer sarcastic energy during the "tutorial" could cut glass, level villages, and strike fear into the heart of the void itself
Only Folding Ideas could endure such torture.
He did go through all of the history and behind the scenes drama that surrounded 50 Shades, so maybe he’s a glutton for punishment
Kinky
@@LaNoLaCola I still want to know why MauLer was attacking him as a hypocrite (without exposing myself to MauLer content). Dan seems flagelistically thorough in his work and consistent in his views.
If we did this to prisoners you'd be in the Hague for crimes against humanity.
THE MAN WATCHED THE SNOWMAN AT LEAST 7 TIMES
By the 30th minute of this Vlog, Dan has become so frazzled that he's hasn't thought to call his description of color grading for what it is: The Visual Loudness War.
Michael Brooks this is the truth right here, just like pop music slowly becoming louder over time
Is Gemini Man the St Anger of cinema?
Let's ask Clippy to help us with the mastering!
As a sound guy myself with no real technical knowledge of the visual side of things, I was surprised at how much I understood based on my experience of extremely over-compressed pop music.
As someone who came from being a sound guy and moved into photography and ended up in film and post production, I understood this comment on a spiritual level 🤣
"The relationship is pretty close to father-son."
So, it's another Will Smith movie? Because I struggle to think of a modern Will Smith movie where it wasn't either about his relationship with his character's children, or where the movie goes out of its way to establish his character as a father, who may or may not be in a relationship with the mother. Pursuit of Happiness, Suicide Squad, Bright, After Earth. Even now, when it's not a literal offspring but a clone, he still makes it about fatherhood.
What you're saying is, *it's about family*
"but my daughter"
- Will Smith in his bravest role yet
But like the most superficial version of fatherhood because the child is always a non-entity. Papa is always the main focus and even though he’s made some mistakes he did it to make the child the best or take of them so their anger or resentment is not even worth mentioning.
So, will smith just wants to be your daddy?
That has essentially become his "brand" in real life too.
I've seen the 120fps version at a screening earlier this year. Ang Lee was present, but I was honest in my opinion sheet.
It was terrible. They didn't finish color grading so everything looked even more bland than it did in its final product. It was also in 3D, so that didn't help. The whole experience left me and my friend with major headaches.
I am HERE for slowed down high frame rate footage of Amy scratching her head
I’ve always said that hfr makes everything look hyper-real but that hyper-reality does not put you in middle earth. It puts you in a sound stage in New Zealand. It might work best for cinema verite kind of project where acting is much more toned down.
Oh my god, yes. Hyper-reality definition for things that aren't real just makes them look even less real. However yeah, I'd love to see a slice of life drama done in ultra magnum girth resolution and frame rate. Make me feel like I'm in that room watching gay cowboys eat pudding.
@@planetofthegapes I could watch that all day every day
Even tho I appreciate the hobbit films -even if they are flawed, I definitely cannot imagine watching them in any other way than blu-ray/dvd. Heck I already feel, even with that format that some image look a bit too much like some nature documentary than a lord of the ring film. And then there's the ironic choice of adding bloom to the image - and I love bloom as an effect honestly but combined with the hyper detailed digital photography it doesn't feel magical, it just feels like a big clash.
Just to be clear digital photography can be awesome and has a lot of advantages over film: digital camera allows more control over the overall image and it's look in post production, and most importantly they require less light. This is especially useful if you use natural lighting like the revenant.
Dune used the various advantages to amazing effect but they actually printed it onto film just to soften the image a bit.
And yeah I'd argue imitating the feel of film while still using the advantages of digital cameras is a good method for certain type of films. I mean you don't have to go as far as printing the footage, Mandy and Knives Out proved you can get a great film look with entirely digital tools, but you get my point. Moving a bit away from how stuff look IRL allows for a deeper immersion in theses world.
It might work if it gets used on a competent movie.
The hobbit and Gemini man are not.
"Being able to see what's going on in a panning shot is bad, actually." 24fps looks like ass and no one would defend it if they weren't raised on it.
"So here's how to grade like Gemini Man: first of all, just take any LUT and slap it on.
Me, who has never seen Gemini Man and does not know what a LUT is: lmao so true
I remember they had a 4D theatre in Seaworld and it was cool because a) i was a dumb kid b) the movie was made for 4D and had moments set up for it (ex a guy saying watch out for rats followed by the leg tickler freaking people out). I feel like using those effects on a movie that could stand alone like Gemini man would be distracting rather than immersive. I feel like it is better suited for a ride because those effects are more for entertainment value than storytelling. 4D also seems kind of campy, like a live showing of rocky horror picture show or the room.
aquaman in 4d was just sitting in the rain for 2 and a half hours
Rocky Horror 4D could be cool
wienerdog hahaha!
Christie Brewster honestly I’d pay for that ;)
Kinda like those 3D movies which had some literally in-your-face shots to really sell that 3D was something that could really _add_ to the cinema experience.
I like to think that the sound of the roaring car engine in the background - that Dan had to pause for at 5:23 to 5:27-ish - was actually someone else who’d just watched 'Gemini Man' (in *whatever* format!), furiously speeding away from the cinema in complete & utter disgust!
I honestly thought the 4D bit was a parody.
so what i'm hearing is that movie theaters are unironically turning themselves into the harry potter ride at universal - the four-chair motion benches, the fog, the strobe lights...
Basically all of us film lovers who expressed concern that some major movies were basically becoming theme park rides, even when we enjoyed them, we're right in the worst way.
I couldn’t go to a 4D theatre I can’t risk my popcorn getting wet
they should sell popcorn umbrellas
@@neropunkt or water proof popcorn butter/oil
@@mcfry13 now we're going next level
nero. wow you’re innovators go on shark tank lol
@@bootlegbreakfastburrito17 way beyond that
I have no idea what this title means, I just wanted to see Dan talk about movies I haven't seen.
Same
10 minutes in, still no first person shooter 🤔 🤷🏼
He’s really good at talking about them, too. He obviously has a lot of experience or knowledge and so his opinion is way more valid than some other movie reviewers who say they like X or Y but with nothin to back their opinion up.
Sorry this is the first thing I’ve seen from him and I’m really excited lol. I work in the film industry and most movie critics piss me off.
@@selty Iirc, Dan went to film school. He does have the background to talk about the technical stuff. I always feel like I learn something new and exciting to be bugged by in movies haha!
When the light in his car cut out, I thought we would cut to Dan in a straight jacket, in a padded cell, still ranting about this film.
The title makes me feel even poorer.
At least you're richer in the sense of not having had to suffer through three terrible movies
Lol Same.
@@Flowtail One terrible movie, three terrible times.
Big prol energy
This entire video was just an absurd flex
BLINK TWICE IF ANG LEE HAS A GUN TO YOUR HEAD.
I saw it in 120fps 2K 3D and came home with a headache.
You look familiar
demonmurphy 🤣🤣
You poor darlin
The title of the video should be "How I like pain: An Essay in three parts."
@@lulucool45 "Now, this is a story all about how: I tortured myself three times"
I'm here to ask for a ten hour loop of that bit with *The Tickler.*
We've had this effect for years: In Making Of documentaries. Remember anytime you've seen a scene from a movie and then they cut to the same scene being shot on set but from a video camera. The atmosphere is gone, the immersion of being in a movie is gone, and have you noticed how the acting and line delivery always seems flat compared to how it is in the movie?
To see a prime example of this in Gemini Man, open two YT windows. In one play the trailer at 24fps and in another play at 60fps. The "He is you" scene in particular shows this.
I never thought about the making-of documentary comparison, but you're so right!
"Gemini Man is...technically interesting..." - Dan Olson of Folding Ideas
It's ironic to me that high frames in movies seem to be a detriment, whereas in most video games higher frames are almost always a good thing. How watching vs playing/controlling affects our ability to process these things.
In many games, high frame rates are needed to give players just a split-second longer to register cues and react to them. It's arguable how much of a difference the gap between 60 and 30 FPS makes, but dropping even a bit below 30 FPS can be a _big_ problem.
I think I have undiagnosed mild autism or something because when people describe how high frame rate movies look too real to them and just like a bunch of people saying lines, that’s exactly how I see all movies all the time. It’s weird to me that movies and acting is as popular as it is when it’s just people standing in front of a camera saying lines. It rarely is convincing to me. Anyway, I like high frame rate movies because it’s not any more awkward for me, just smoother.
@@ilikeshibayou should see someone about that. That level of disconnection isn't "mild" autism. That would be pretty severely autistic. And if not on autistic that would be on the sociopath scale.
That's really concerning.
@@medes5597Severe autism or sociopathy? Because they don’t like movies?
I didn’t think that the example you used in your “tutorial” was that bad until I remembered that the Gemini Man is playing in theaters and something like that is currently being projected on a very large screen in a AMC near me. That was when I realized “oh lord this is awful”
This is a Sunday afternoon LEGO set movie. Like you don’t really pay attention to it... but look up every so often go neat. Then back to your LEGO set. Nothing that will ever make you want to keep watching.
There’s something about 60fps recordings that give such a “video” quality to it, like cheap soap operas. You can tell the difference between film and video and that’s what the high frame rate does for me.
Edit: this also reminds me of hbomberguy’s Scanline about VHS. The closer you get to filming in reality the easier it is to tell that it’s not actually real.
Yes! Daytime soap operas! I hated that so much in the mid to late 2010s when so many of the new TVs were sold set to the highest everything and it made every show look like As the World Turns
Looks like one of the screenwriters for Gemini Man isn't a stranger to penning disappointments released this year.
Because he's David "Themes Are For Eighth-Grade Book Reports" Benioff.
22:12 Jesus Christ, my sides hurt from laughing. It’s so absurd. Why the HELL would I want to be TICKLED when I’m at a movie theater trying to watch a movie?
For the full body experience, duh.
Wow you’re the first film reviewer on CZcams I’ve seen that had a good grasp on film on every level and not just the basics of acting, directing and photography! I’m subscribed I love hearing people’s opinions about films on a technical level and not just taste.
4dx sounds unbelievably distracting. Imagine being on that ride with a migraine.
Considering your point about how HFR makes you aware of everyone just being actors, acting -- the Truman Show might have benefited from HFR.
Jonas Funk this is a weird idea but I wonder if you could have separate simultaneous pieces of footage, one shot at HFR and the other at normal, and have some character appear at a different framerate from everyone or everything else in the same scene to communicate some form of difference to the audience, whether it be unease, or alien nature, or something. The reason I thought about yours is maybe that Truman could be at HFR to highlight how he is the only "real" person in his world (or vice versa, if he's the only one who doesn't feel like an actor)
@@kevindahlke6042 They did something kinda like that in Into The Spider-Verse where Peter B was purposefully animated at a smoother frame rate than Miles to make him seem more experienced.
Tuckerscreator totally forgot about this, I even saw the movie and read about that. Mikes and Peter were even both animated every other frame for each other. Really cool for an animation, but I wonder if it's been done in live action?
@@kevindahlke6042 you'd just have to get an intern and have him cut down the frames to give more weight to certain actions. One of the 1st things you learn as an animator is frame timings
@@Tuckerscreator Actually that was a myth - he's animated at the same frame rate as other characters in the shot. Peter Ramsey (one of the directors) said so in an interview. Frame rate was just moved up and down overall according to what look good for each specific shot.
the things you do for CZcams lmao
still not as nuts as you infiltrating that pick-up artist meetup for hbomb's video, but this is a close second
What video is this??
@@VioletVolchok a little more than eight minutes into Hbomberguy's 'Pick Up Artistry: A Measured Response'
It's a very entertaining video
@@daiselol awesome thanks!
So you're telling me that nobody in the movie cared about what happened to all the women that were used as surrogates for their cloning operation? SHOCKED, I tell you.
..... Having just gotten *out* of the movie, hard no on that. The antagonists in the movie do some horrible shit, and that's one of the central points of the movie, that's it's horrible to strip people of their humanity. We don't get to see the surrogates on screen, but how the main bad dude treated them as another tool is treated as horrifying.
How do we know there were surrogates? (Asking unironically)
Step 4head I haven’t seen the movie but in real life you can only create the embryo, which still has to grow for a full pregnancy length in a uterus
Our hero Dan returns to us in our time of need to see Gemini Man so I don’t have to...WAIT HOW MANY TIMES???
I remember laughing my ass off in the theater when they revealed a third Will Smith.
vanessa hudgens could do gemini man but will smith could never do the princess switch: switched again
Damn, I didn't realize Jaden had grown to look so much like his dad
This wasn't the After Earth sequel I expected
If they had just put jaden in the movie rather than de-age will smith, it would have freed the movie to have a budget for other stuff and make it look less cheap. sadly the deaging thing is the only noticeable point of interest about the movie in the first place.
Actually it makes me think of movies like Eragon, where one CGI character sucks all of the budget, and every thing else looks like garbage.
@L1qu1d S1lenc3r at this point, does Will really act that much better than his son?
Good grief this sounds like CIA torture experiments, rather than a movie experience.
That’s how they get the DNA they need to clone an assassin out of ya!
That's an unfair comparison. The CIA is _much_ more innovative with its torture experiments; at its laziest, it still hits gimmicky-Disney-Channel-movie levels of creativity.
T I C K L E R
The Davinci tutorial interlude was more than I could handle. I had to stop for a while. So good.
By the time that 4DX ad mentioned the LEG TICKLERS I was sure it was a satire.
"The tickler adds vibration to your legs"
I can’t believe that I just watched half an hour of a guy talking in a dim sodium-lamp-lit parking garage.
(No regrets.)
There were jokes. Remember when the assassin told the girl she'd talk with or without her teeth,and then she reversed him and told him the same thing, and then Henry comes up and asks her what happened and she drops the teeth into his hands?
I didn't say they were GOOD jokes.
And why did she pick up the teeth? What would she do with them if Henry didn't ask about what happened?
Human tooth jewelry.
To put them under her pillow overnight. Fairies offer a solid twenty five cent per tooth exchange rate.
This commentary is tight.
Eat them
sweet pea bee That’s a solid $8.00 right there!
Man talks to himself alone in parking garage for forty minutes.
Still more entertaining than Gemini Man.
Isn't that a deleted scene from Glass
Don’t forget the cool lamp-on-dashboard setup.
Careful, he's a hero
God I love this meme
what's it to ya!? It doesn’t actually exist in the movie. The line was never spoken in Spider-Man 2.
What I've found is that 60fsp makes props look like props rather than what they're meant to be.
I would pay $25 to watch the slow motion scratching cat
"Add a node, and crank it up" - sounds like t-shirt slogan material right there.
Thank you for providing that helpful tutorial on saturation. I'm now ready to make "The Gemini Man 2: Electric Boogaloo".
The Gemini Man 2: The Quadremini Man
That's a good one! If there's a dance number, I would watch it!
So what you're saying is... Michael Bay's "The Island" has more philosophical merit than Gemini Man. Got it.
can confirm
unless this movie was just meant to make the more realistic philosophical statement, that all the usual philosophy about the subject is wanking lol (which is fine, art doesn't have to be collapsed into philosophy)
Well, it was ripping off a made-for-tv movie, so pretty elevated material for Bay. ;-P
JohnnyTheWolf ‘Parts: the Clonus Horror’!
@@bpansky Yeah i can see that being a good point (a clone is just a person, deal with it) but then the movie should have used that statement as a jumping off point to a more interesting question....like when is Will smith gonna retire, is the studio going to eternally put a younger CGI version of him in movies for perpetuity?
(actually a more interesting premise would be that the clone is considered a defect because he's not the person he gets his DNA from, and thus sucks at being a killer. He goes his own way, explores the world and finds meaning in life)
Mother of God, 4DX looks exhausting. I have never been more grateful to live in a middle of nowhere rural town with a one-screen cinema, we'll never be able to afford that crap.
You were kind to Full House by not making it clear that you had Full House specifically in mind, but I know.
I know.
Hah, it's funny, he actually makes the comparison to Full House around 31 minutes in. I would never have caught the unnamed comparison though, so well done! :)
I can think of at least 5 other sitcoms that do the thing he describes
@@Jlizard27 haha, I totally missed that!
The Wachowskis need to try their hand at High Framerate. Speed Racer or Jupiter Ascending would have been fantastic uses of it, I think.
K.V. Rowley Jupiter needs massive plot focusing and entirely new dialogue first
I had a bad feeling about this movie, but I wasn't expecting the stuff going on with the frame rate.
I loved the Amy footage tho
Dan looks like hell after the HF showing. that is... concerning
“The idea of scent”
So LaCroix is branching out from flavored water, eh?
Coming from 2022 to say this is an extremely underrated comment.
"Gemini Man", or "Looper 2: electric boogaloo"
"You are going all-in on just... absurdity. You are escalating to just this comical degree. You are constructing a world that is so divorced from reality that it becomes its own substance." - That's what she said!
13:47 reminds me of when i saw a clip of the avengers on a hi-def tv in walmart and was immediately distracted looking at everyone's makeup and costumes
Viteaification this thing is also very jarring when characters are in wigs
Man this is interesting to me, and I get your frustration.
So I come from a literary theory background, and while we share some language and perhaps a commonality of purpose, I can say that I am an ingenue when it comes to FILM theory. I’d totally like to thank you and Ms. Ellis to providing an on ramp for this that is relatable.
So yeah, frame rate and how it might contribute to the language is a mind blower. I get that the idea of cinema verity and how much cinema as a language is actually representational is film theory 101, but I must confess, I’ve always had a default position that visual media is REPRESENTATIONAL, know, a nuance I should of as a lit critic picked up on.
So, OK, the high frame rate makes it hyper real, thus less a representation, more difficult to manipulate. So, reading a graphic novel, I recognize this is a fiction. Because it is loosely relatable, it allows me to be more forgiving of fantasy, and allowing suspensions of disbelief.
So we draw a linear relationship to this, perhaps, which I’d accept continently. I allow movies with more stylized cinematography innately more room to be fiction than movies whose visual language suggests more reality.
So, perhaps Ang Lee was a poor choice to do this?
I dunno. I get your frustration here.
I really enjoyed how you dealt with the idea of editing, and some of the language of that, through Suicide Squad. I actually was looking forward to that movie, and was disappointed. However, your bit on how poorly it was edited articulated a bunch of why.
I saw a version of Gemini man was AWFUL
I suspect though frame rate wasn’t the PRIMARY flaw.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful presentations.
This poor man suffered so we wouldn't have to
You could say he remembered it... I leave.
Screenplay: David Benioff that explains everything
"From the writer who brought you X- Men Origins: Wolverine"
He watches horrible movies (3 times) so that we don't have to.
I think the main problem with this film is THE SCRIPT, the frame rate is, in my opinion a gimmick to hide just how godawful the writing is. Isn't Ang Lee powerful enough to demand another rewrite?
This movie moves and feels more like a tech demo than an actual attempt to make a great piece of cinema so it's no surprise the script is weak.
Our theater has the D-box seats. They had a demo one with trailers playing and I tried it out. I felt like I was sitting in a videogame controller with rumble
Gemini Man: 2 Will 2 Smith
Technofetish Director : l will construct a fiction indistinguishable from reality for the audience to consume !!
Media Critic : No you doofus, the audience constructs the fiction in their heads using the signs and signifier negotiated between you the audience and the tradition of the art. Remove the signs ,like for instance frame rate, and you’ll have difficulty convincing the audience to construct the fiction.
Brilliant analysis
To complicate matters high frame doesn't remove the signs but resembles the signs of a different medium... Live Television. So you clue in the viewer into another medium where all the low value shows (soap operas) use the higher frame rate and the prestige shows (scripted programs) used lower frame rates and pulldown.
I feel like I read this concept before...is there an original source?
House of Ram somewhere, I didn’t make it up. Unfortunately my brain doesn’t file the references.
John Berger Ways of Seeing. Maybe it’s the sort of thing it talks about. Haven’t read in for 45 years.
@@adrianinha19 if this isn't a joke, Folding Ideas' first video was about those concepts. I believe they're either from "the selfish Gene" the first book to mention memes in a way similar to how we currently understand them, or it was another book on them. But people all across the internet tend to bring it up when they want to talk about memes or a meme in a more academic way.
This Vlog shows the true potential of 60fps. I feel like you were in the room with me, and I could feel just how terrible the movie was. Next, I want to see a 60fps audience reaction video of Michael Bay watching Gemini Man.
I remember in interviews from when The Hobbit in 60fps came out, they talked about how they had to do a lot of props differently from how they'd normally be done so they look good in 60fps. Like usually the weapons actors carry on their person in scenes where they aren't in use are made out of rubber or some other cheap, light material. But in 60fps the wobble of rubber weapons was more visible, so they couldn't do that. It was also the reason they couldn't re-use a lot of the miniatures, sets, and props that had been saved from the LotR films--they just didn't hold up at that higher frame rate.
I hate high frame rate in films. It destroys 90%of the CG shots and it gives off the vibes of daytime TV shows
All I ever see when I see high framerate movies is a soap opera.
@@mortified0 agreed 👍
Super Pochaco
the motion smoothing of TV Presets, HFR, shooting certain Shutter angles, and bad frame interpolation, (basically anything that smooths the motion) is actually referred to as “the soap opera effect”.
I hadn't watched TV for a bit, and then found myself in a hotel that had a brand-new TV. And I'm like "wait, why do all these new shows look like a damn soap???" Got it. Great.
High framerate movies always make everything look cheap. It's crazy. I remember a friend playing movies in high framerate and everything looks like TV show sets.
I was able to experience 4DX with my Uni a few years back for Alita Battle Angel, honestly that hyper real cartoonish action really meshed with the movement aspect of the seats, so it really did enhance the experience for me. But Gemini man sounds like a nightmare in this format
When does Hollywood do a full circle transition and just start putting on high tech plays with Will Smith-Hatsune holograms?
The tickler is actually named after a horror movie villain.
Dude $25 for a ticket is insane. I’ll stick to $6 matinees...
Wow, matinees are cheap where you live. They're still like, 8-9 dollars around here.
SpitefulToast For me matinees are 11$ (Canadian)
Damn matinees are at least 11-12 bucks where I live :(
You have matinées?
"Different Strobes" sounds like the worst sitcom ever.
In my 20s, I used to run a strobe light in the bathroom at parties so all the drunk punk dudes would scream when their piss ran backwards. The name and description are apposite.
You know what they say: "Different strobes for different fobes"
You're a madman Dan and I love it
4dx seems horrific. Another reason to keep almost never going to the theater.
A madDan, if you will.
@@blarg2429 puns quips jokes
That thing about high framerate making things look real in the sense that you're more aware you're watching actors, makes me think that it would work very well for something like the Truman Show.
Jet Li's The One was less convoluted than this sounds.
Jet Li should have his own airline
And that movie ended in Outworld with Jet Li becoming Shao Kahn.
The One was simple as
Jet Li kills Jet Lis to become the ultimate Jet Li
The only person who can stop Jet Li is Jet Li
Did it feel like Will Smith was a good enough assassin to justify raising a whole ass person out of him as an insurance policy? Like he's John Wick on Steroids, right?
Also, apparently snipering is totally a skill set that has complete overlap with James Bond style action hero.
I can't stop laughing at that 4DX advert. You could say it's really tickled me 😂😂😂
First the burrito binge during Avengers, now this
Dan why you gotta make the filmgoing experience a Japanese gameshow