Nice video. I just had this done yesterday to my 2018 at 44K miles. I couldn't believe it took the dealership only a day. You mechanics have some mad skills (and patients) and this certainly isn't a driveway job.
@@TheBigghunter01 Doubt your truck would list to me. My repair was done under recall and the work performed at the dealership. If I had to do it in my driveway it never would have gotten done...LOL
I have same engine I had to change my head gasket on both sides I put may timing but car not running good as was before I think I mis my timing are those timing tool supposed bring exactly on time my is 2.7l ecoboostI have same engine I had to change my head gasket on both sides I put may timing but car not running good as was before I think I mis my timing are those timing tool supposed bring exactly on time my is 2.7l ecoboost
This video is CZcams gold. Especially for mechanics that haven't done this job and just needed a walk though. Thank you for this video. The Vice grip trick worked perfectly. I'm starting reassembly tomorrow.
I just had my phasers replaced on my 2019 3.5 they started rattling at 9k miles. I only have 12k on the truck. There was a 2 to 3 month waiting list. It’s unbelievable to me how complicated engines have gotten since the 60s. I remember replacing the cam on my 327. It was a cinch compared now. When I saw what was behind the front cover on your video I just had to shake my head. I like the way your video is put together. You make it easy to follow along. Even though it’s by no means an easy job.I
What a great job- and one handed no less!! I have to do this to my 3.5L and this video was very well done and easy to follow. Definitely a subscriber and look forward to seeing more videos. Keep up the great work!
So it's not that big of a deal changing these cam phasers out. Looks about the same as brain surgery. This is a great video because it's for the very few of us that don't have a car lift in their back yard so we can make the job much easier by lifting the body off the frame. Thx for making a video for DIY mechs.
Awesome video man! I have an 18 with 93k miles and it rattles like something I've never heard before. I got it at 78k miles and use royal purple to change my oil. I took it to the dealership recently for a recall where they had to *reprogram power module for cam phaser rattle.. well it's gotten worse since. I took it to my local ford dealership last week for an oil change and rotated tires since my extended warranty service pretty much wants thorough evidence of the maintenance. Well, I left a thorough note about the cam phaser rattle, and how it shudders bad at idle. They said the cam phasers needed to be replaced just by hearing it from a cold start. But now I have to take it to them so they can tear it down and have the extended warranty inspector come check it out to see if they will approve it. The ford place said they couldn't diagnose the shudder until the cam phasers were accounted for. But don't they say the cam phaser rattle doesn't affect performance? I recently changed my plugs too.
Ya so the reprogram for the cam phaser rattle apparently causes transmission issues, because Ford had us stop doing the reprogram on the vehicles. The tear down is a tricky situation because you as the customer have to approve it and if the warranty company denies coverage, you're stuck with a vehicle in pieces and have to foot the bill to put it back together, or replace all the phasers and related parts out of your pocket.
@@fordmd9704 That is what is worrying me the most.. what would you suggest? Just take it up there and hope for the best? Lol I'm not certain at this point what to do
@@fultonhester3976 as long as there isn't a bunch of sludge from the previous owner of the truck, and no grooves in the cam caps due to lack of maintenance, you should be ok. These warranty companies try and get out of paying for repairs and delay it any way they can. Not a big fan of aftermarket warranties unless it's actual Ford Premiumcare. It's the best one for the customer as far as coverage, but it does pay me warranty time for the repairs, so I lose money on them.
Don't replace the chain and use a wedge at the tensioner so the chain does not move. Mark your chain and take the phasers out and put back on , no messing with the chain. Also use the updated phasers. Using this style again, you will be back in it later for the same problems.
I had a 2017 3.5 it was flawless traded it at 32,000 miles for a 2020 couldn’t turn down the trade offer. Only 5000 miles on the 2020 so far no issues. I am a mechanic myself so I did the initial oil changes under 2000 miles, and every 4 to 5000 after.Only use a Motorcraft filter and quality full synthetic. Not sure if I was lucky or this is not as big a problem but I hear a lot about it.Thank you for the detailed video,I noticed a lot of guys pull the cab to do this job and you didn’t. From the outside looking in it looks like it would’ve been a lot easier if you had taken the coolant overflow bottle off,But you’ve done so many of these, I know you know all the tricks ,and you don’t look like you’re in your early 20s so I was kind of surprised to see you bending over working from the top these things must beat you up doing them all day.
Thanks, ya pulling the cab is a waste of time for me, Ford doesn't pay us to do that under warranty of course, I'm sure they're losing their butts on the warranty claims. My back is ok so far haha
Very good video…thank you. I don’t know, most people idle around with these engines and never take them through their rev range. I “exercise” my ecoboost a few times a month. I hope it help. l’ll see.
I just subscribed to your channel both of these parts are great man ........ i am a tech at an independent shop but i work on a shit ton of Fords and Cam Phaser rattle is a big thing those 3.5 are a real mess!!!!!
I could almost do it myself. Great explanation. It looks like an expensive job. It seems to me you cant own old cars anymore. Engines are so complicated, it cost too much to kee a car for a long time. I have an old 5.4 lincoln which so far is doing great. I am thinking about getting a new one but these newer engines are scary
If you have a 5.4 Lincoln you don’t have much less complication than this thing.I could see if you had a GMLS that’s a simple engine but the 5.4 Lincoln is a 32 valve, 4 cam V8 ..
This isn't an old car, that's a 2017. And this is still a problem with all new model trucks. Ford's engineers shit the bed and ford is refusing to make it a recall.
First of all, great video. You have loads of talent and knowledge. I had to have thos job done to my 3.5 gen 2 also. Maybe you can explain why these parts would need to be changed so early in the life of the vehicle and maybe if you could show the old phasers and see if they have any wear and tear on them from these cold starts. I have no clue why ford wouldn't do a recall other than not wanting to foot the bill for repair. I had 60k miles on mine when it started making noise gradually getting worse and worse.
Engineers can't program in a delay to activate the phasers and also not doing proper maintenance on the vehicle no 10k oil drops even with syn oil. Run syn oil and no more than 5k changes!
ive done a bunch of these never have i ever thought of removing the crank pulley with the a/c belt still attached i always removed the belt can be a lil bit of a pain sometimes ill have to give that a try next time i do one of these again...
2019 F150 3.5 EB. Did not have rattle at 30k, 40k, and 50k dealer checkups. Each time dealer told me they were not recommending re-flash unless a problem due to trucks coming back right after with other problems (shudder). Truck had 59600 mi when rattling started. Called dealer for appointment to check, earliest was a month out and he told me not to worry as long as they saw it before 12/31/2022. Now another dealer and FMC tells me that is BS, needs new VCT and no warranty coverage available because over 60k.
Thanks for the video. You demonstrate great skills and knowledge. You replaced the Cam Phasers with the same original part numbers. I don't know the exact timing of this video but the 2021 part number was supposedly improved to address the root cause of the failures. The new part numbers are ML3Z-6256-A and ML3Z-6C525-A. Thinking if this is true then your video should be updated? Could be valuable for DIY's and people taking their trucks to shops to be aware of. Sorry if I am mistaken.
The procedure is exactly the same, just newer design phasers, marks and everything are all the same, this was made before the updated design came out, thank you!
Entertaining video!! Watchin ecoboost videos over dinner, looking at problems I hope I never have to fix. I've got a 2016 3.5L with 98K, and I haven't had issues like this yet. I would use the Lord's name in vain on this job, a few times.
You've got the Gen 1, which last much longer before having any issues. Also more frequent oil changes with quality oil help those alot as well. Lucas oil additive helps the Gen 1's.
Great video What do you do in case when driver side is not in line to insert locking/timing tool it’s off by couple millimeters. But tool doesn’t clear to lock in? Thanks
you can rotate the phasers a little bit, and just tap the tool with a rubber mallet. it won’t hurt anything cause most of those tools are aluminum and the cams are steel i think
Damn I’m doing one at work and I didn’t really check if the mark on the crank gear aligned with the two marked chain links on the (driver side). Just made sure the ones on top did. Didn’t have the special tool either /: I couldn’t really see it and just based it off of the mark I made on my own :’( I’ll let you guys know tomorrow if it runs good or if it needs a new engine. I already put the cover back on and all the pulleys and belts. Just waiting on some valve cover gaskets and it’ll be ready to go I hope. Literally my 4th timing job and each one just gets harder and harder -.-
Awesome video. I have a 2017 with this problem. With your explanation I could probably do this myself if I had the time. I’m having the dealership take care of it. They told me it might take 4 days. How long does it take you to preform this repair?
My 2019 3.5 just began rattling today at 88k miles. How long can something drive with bad phasers before it gets too bad or causes more extensive damage
There's really no time limit, I've seen some just keep on driving even though they rattle for 5+ seconds on a cold start, you can crank the vehicle with the gas pedal all the way to the floor to "prime" the phasers on a cold start to kind of prolong the inevitable, I know it's a very expensive repair
Thanks for the awesome videos. I'm gathering my parts to start this job and was wondering what are the torque specs for intake, timing cover, crank damper, etc? Or guide me to a place where I can find that info. Thanks in advance.
Some techs do it that way, I'm just used to not pulling the cab, waste of time for me, and Ford doesn't pay us for it under warranty. It only takes me 2 and a half-3 hours to complete the job if everyone leaves me alone without pulling the cab.
@Ford MD If I had this work done by the dealer back in July of this year under tsb 21-2119, I think that SHOULD include an oil change. I'm trying to decide whether I can count that as a engine coolant change as well, or would it be a bad assumption to think they pulled the drain plugs on the engine block to get enough out to count as a real drain/fill. I have a 2017 F-150 V6 EB with 81K miles. Thanks
Yes an oil change is performed with the phaser replacement tsb. Almost all the coolant is emptied after removing the water pump and associated hoses, so really you shouldn't need to do a coolant service.
@@fordmd9704 Correct, that is what the Ford manual states, however that is not what you did (agree?). I have to say I'm puzzled. Not that professionals don't sometimes know better than the manufacturers themselves, but never the less puzzled I am in this case.
Sir, thank you for sharing knowledge, its really appreciated since you are working with on hand most of the job!! I definitely get what I need from information and motivation by making it so easy. I'm going to do camphasers to my 2018 Expedition, may I ask for torqueing spec for al that job? Is there a recommended dealership ( trust , price) that I can order these parts online from cause I'm outside US.I take my hat off for you man.
I have a 2018 with 68k that's going in in a week for this repair. So glad I'm within the 100% coverage period! How are the water pumps with these engines? I see you're right there with this repair and it wouldn't be any extra labor to have a new one put on. Are there any other parts you'd recommend to replace with this repair that aren't covered under the general repair?
Great video!!! Maybe they weren’t out yet, but why are you not using the new design phasers? All this hard work just to do it all again later. The old design is guaranteed to fail, just a matter of time.
I have same engine I had to change my head gasket on both sides I put may timing but car not running good as was before I think I mis my timing are those timing tool supposed bring exactly on time my is 2.7l ecoboost
Sucks 30000 miles later you have to redo it do to those old style phasers the new update with cover over springs seems to be better. But ford has plenty of issues with that junk.
I’m about to do this on mine and was going to just plan on replacing that sensor. Doesn’t look like oil or crank sensor, did you ever find out what it was?
Got a 19 raptor with the 3.5 also with this phaser problem since I’m doing this job I was wondering what all exactly should I replace new ? Timing chains ? Tensioners? Guides ? Also wondering if it would be good to replace camshafts and new lifters
Hi, I changed the phasers, timed everything correctly, put everything back together. However, after start up, I started to get a low oil pressure warning on idle only. Could you please help me troubleshoot the issue over the phone. I would like to pay you for your time.
What is the long term effects of not replacing these? Ford as per TSB says no longterm durability or reliability issues, which I find hard to believe. I'm at 146,000Kms and havent gotten this done, mostly cause it's 3K out of pocket repair up here in Canada.
Thanks for taking the time for the diy shade trees. Got a question-I have to do this on a 2013 f150 crew with 3.5- that would be considered a gen1 cause of the single timing chain? Process would be exactly the same except for single chain install? Thanks for the input in advance!
I'm in the middle of doing this job on my 2017 in my driveway...so finding information for torqueing sequence and values seems to be non existent and when you ask the parts guy for a printout of the job sheets they start stuttering like you asked them for some top secret information. Do you have a suggestion for a source? Thanks for the video it was very helpful
Honestly, kind of like a head gasket as far as sequence goes. Inside to outside alternating sides, and I just use an electric ratchet during tightening. Only things I really torque are the phasers themselves and the crank pulley bolt I use my 1/2 impact. No real science to it, just done so many, I just crank them out on the regular.
Mr Ford, hopefully you see this message. My 2017 f150 3.5 eco is at the dealership right now. I took it in and they say what i though was a drive line vibration issue is a half order vibration caused by the engine. 61k miles on the engine. Ford support has told the dealership to replace both heads, all 4 cam shafts, 2 input phasers. They didn't say they were going to replace the timing chains, or guides. Would you recommend they replace both timing chains, guides and the exhaust phasers? I dont know if the Gen2 timing chains stretch like the single Gen 1 chains do.
I haven't really seen the chains stretch on the Gen 2's, but if they're doing all that might as well. Never heard of a vibration that requires all of that
Have a 17 3.5 eco on its way back to the shop again. Bought it in November and the cam phaser rattle began. Had the cam phaser, timing chains, tensioner guides all that replaced. 9 days later YES 9 DAYS Later it started doing it again. It has gradually gotten worse. Was told it would be okay tod rive it till the dealership could get me back in. Dropped it off yesterday to have very thing replaced again. (2 year unlimited mile warranty on all parts installed) prior to this I had the ocm reprogram for cam phaser shudder done. Wondering if I should have the pcm reflashed back to normal after having the repair done? I will never own another ecoboost for as long as I live. Should have just went with the coyote. 😭
Hmm haven't had that happen that quickly. The reprogram hasn't fixed a single truck in my experience, waste of time. If the truck is rattling already the reprogram is useless. Hopefully everything was installed properly.
9 days? If this is true and you received brand new vct units, then this isn't a "wear" issue at all! No way one of those locking pins could have worn fast enough to prevent positive engagement in 9 days! There is something else going on here....
My 2017 f150 3.5 ecoboost had vct's and phasers replaced st 38 000km , im now at 76 000km and the noise is back louder than ever. I can't believe they dropped the ball again with the gen2 phasers.... how in the hell can ford explain having phaser problems time and time again .... it boggles my mind. When the warranty is up on these trucks we will be stuck doing multiple phaser jobs out of pocket .... that's totally unacceptable . They're clearly defective! I over maintain my truck and this still happened twice !!
I mean my 2018 f150 3.5 eco boost recently started making the noise it has 86k miles on it. I don’t know if you take it to do maintenance but I don’t. I had a very bad experience with Ford when I took it for ac problem on my 06 fusion. Now I work on my own vehicles. Maybe I’m just lucky the phasers lasted long. Although I’m not so happy I have to replace it.
I seen a guy who said replacing the cam phaser solenoid fixed his cold start rattle. Even after the dealership looked it over and assured him he would have to replace cam phasers.
Does just repair the issue until it happens again or is this a TSB that’s supposed to be a “permanent” fix?? I really need answers. I have 2012 3.5 with 188k miles. Very loud rattle for like 2 seconds on cold starts. It can’t sit for about 4 hours and rattle just as loud as over night
Ya doesn't seem to fix it long term. Seems to last a while and then they're back doing it again. The gen 1's like your 2012 last longer. Try an oil change and add the Lucas oil stabilizer. Normally works on the gen 1's
Thanks for this info. Ford says the cam phaser noise does not affect the vehicle safety, performance, or emissions. So, is it safe to skip the repair? Or is it eventually going to cause an issue more than just a noise? Mine is eligible for replacement at Ford's expense... Not sure I want to have all of that work done if it's not necessary.
@@fordmd9704 are you using aftermarket holders? That has happened to me with cheap tools I used on first gen 3.5L. The OTC tool fits really tight, knock-offs, not as well.
Thanks for posting. Have you noticed any timing chain stretch, or guide wear... especially for those of us with higher mileage? This would be a good time to replace the chains, tensioners, and guides if they are prone to stretch/wear. My parts are on order, but I'm second guessing the need for new chains/tensioners/guides.
I haven't seen any chain stretching issues yet, but the ones that I mostly do have less than 60k miles under power train warranty. The older gen 1's had chain stretching issues though. If you're going in there I would probably replace them, I also have noticed that adding lucas heavy duty oil stabilizer in the oil also helps prolong the noise.
@@fordmd9704 Thanks again. I'll be replacing the chains as well, and have been considering the stabilizer. I see many folks like the 5W40 instead of the 5W30... you see any issue with the heavier oil in colder climates like Wisconsin?
@@fordmd9704 thanks again. I was able to get through the job over a long weekend. In my case, I'm the second owner of 2017 f150 ecoboost and this was, at least, the second time the phasers were replaced. For anyone doing this at home, understand that this is a BIG job, and you will need an accurate manual for torque specs and patterns. It appears that any manual that lists '15-'17 f150's is not accurate for the '17 3.5l ecoboost engine... they still list them as having a gen 1 3.5l. I was able to combine this tutorial with those from a first gen 3.5l phaser replacement presented by Ford Tech Makuloco to help with reinstallation and cleaning... and I bought a VIN specific manual for $80. She runs better than the day I bought it, and I saved nearly $2600. Now, on to the dealership for a pcm update... and a butt chewing for not disclosing the previous repairs.
Just had this problem with a 2019 Expedition with 25K miles. This issue has been a problem for a very long time. I have no idea why it’s still a problem. Maybe it time for a vehicle change.
Hi can i move the crankshaft alone against clockwise while the chain off to put it on the 4 o’clock position for ford explorer 2019 ? Actually need about 180° turn against clockwise to reach to its point Can I Thank you so much
Just clean it off with some brake clean or equivalent, and I use the same silicone as you use on the front cover where it would fit in the hole and let it set up a bit. Once you have the front cover back on the seal holds it in place. It's 50/50 if you can get the cover out without it breaking.
And obviously after everything is back together you have to do an oil change, let it drain for a while so any rtv/debris drains out from cleaning the front of the block, can run a quart of oil with the plug out to be sure.
Do you know specifically what the issue is with the VCT unit as to why it's making a rattling noise? I'm always reading these reports of the dealer replacing the VCT units (only for the problem to still exist after), but no one ever seems to talk about the root cause is. I once heard it's a metal pin within each unit that opens and closes but supposedly gets stuck, and it has to do with oil pressure.
Honestly I don't know the root cause. I know they usually come back like 15000 miles later needing another set again, endless cycle. The 2018 and newer expeditions are particularly bad, seem to start making noise at the least mileage
Rattle noise is from pins inside the CamPhasers wearing out. Wear on those pins is caused by poor lubrication on initial startup. Not enough oil gets there before engine starts. Its just a poor piss design on Fords part. Recently Ford came out with software update which makes cranking longer before engine fires up but supposedly this update is causing transmission issues 🤦♂️ so they stopped doing update. New parts are made from supposedly better materials also. Another words with new parts you not fixing the issue with those engines you just get extra time before they go out again. Most intriguing part is that this issue effects 9-10% of 3.5L engines even though they have same CamPhasers. I believe starting November 2019 Ford started to install upgraded CamPhasers which last longer (supposedly), but again they never fixed lubrication issue that causes CamPhasers to go out in first place.
@@codename7832 @fordmd9704 Two questions : First...are you saying that 90-91% of these engines never have cam phaser failures? If this is true then the root cause for cam phaser failures is likely something else. Not sure I fully believe the delayed oil lubrication theory...when the oil drains there will always be a thin film present at startup...not fully dry on dry metal contact. I'm wondering if the root cause might be excessive stress on the cam phaser due to some other engine rotating/actuating components not aligning up properly? Second: Why would increasing the startup cranking time affect the transmission? The transmission isn't used until the engine has started and you put it gear? Both your answers would be interesting to see. Thanks...Werner
I just wanted to add...I wonder if that stupid Auto/Stop/Start feature is also somewhat related? The biggest stress on an engine and its supporting components is during engine startup. Do the engines that always have that feature turned on cause cam phasers to fail sooner than those that have feature mostly turned off? It doesn't explain the root cause but it could explain the wide varying mileages of when they fail? Werner
thanks for the quick reply, i just came back from the dealer they want me to bring it in, my friends think this is a class action deal what do you think the long term fix is?
I understand My 17 at Stealership Now . They rejected their “Stealership Lifetime Powertrain Warranty” because I did most of the oil changes myself. $3000 repair
In the middle of this and I am at the point of putting ac belt on. As I turn motor over by crank bolt to get the ac belt on I'm seeing the right bank come in and out of tension slightly as I rotate the engine is this normal?
Quick question im currently tackling this job and it turns out three of the four phasers went bad and they wont really lock in place. I got the timing marks lined up just like in the video but my problem is that my cam locking tools wont fit in between the cams any suggestions on how to lock the cams in place???
Okay now by having the timing marks in place and moving the camshafts to get the locking tool in place once i have tool in place with the cams locked than the engine should be timed correctly and i could start removing the chains and everything else correct?
Really good job explaining this. My 2017 has to have these replaced, under warranty, with only 35k miles. So this is obviously a poor design. Makes me wonder if I made a mistake buying the ecoboost. However the 5.0 has exactly the same phasers to, correct?
Thanks, and yes Ford is going to have alot of angry customers once they're out there f the 60k power train warranty. The engine itself is good with plenty of power. I have heard that there will be another bulletin coming out with an updated design for the 3.5 phasers, but don't know when. The 5.0 has a different setup for the VCT system, and they rarely have issues with the phasers themselves, have done plenty of the solenoids on the 5.0 though, but is a MUCH less involved repair.
Ford MD should I go ahead and have them change all the belts since they have them all off? I know that will be on my dime, but you already have the labor in taking them all off.
No, just leave the camshaft alignment tools in place until you are ready to put the valve covers back on. The camshaft alignment tools will allow for a tiny bit of play on the crankshaft so that you can wiggle the crankshaft & line up your chains on all of your sprocket timing marks. If you have everything you could possibly need to do the job, then it should take 2 days: 1 day for tare down, 1 day to prep [in the morning] and then re-assemble everything. It's [essentially] not that much different than a full timing job on the old, shitty Triton engines. When I'm that involved in an engine, I give it the works & replace everything: phasers, guides, chains, tensioners, VCTs, output shaft seal, upgrade the oil pump, replace the water pump, new belt, etc. I mean, you might as well....and who would really want to have to go back in and dick with it again?
I may have to do this job, myself. Very grateful you took the time to create this video! Definitely am subscribing
Nice video. I just had this done yesterday to my 2018 at 44K miles. I couldn't believe it took the dealership only a day. You mechanics have some mad skills (and patients) and this certainly isn't a driveway job.
Tell that to my 2018 sitting in my driveway with the timing cover off 😅
@@TheBigghunter01 Doubt your truck would list to me. My repair was done under recall and the work performed at the dealership. If I had to do it in my driveway it never would have gotten done...LOL
I have same engine I had to change my head gasket on both sides I put may timing but car not running good as was before I think I mis my timing are those timing tool supposed bring exactly on time my is 2.7l ecoboostI have same engine I had to change my head gasket on both sides I put may timing but car not running good as was before I think I mis my timing are those timing tool supposed bring exactly on time my is 2.7l ecoboost
This video is CZcams gold. Especially for mechanics that haven't done this job and just needed a walk though. Thank you for this video. The Vice grip trick worked perfectly. I'm starting reassembly tomorrow.
Respect - for being able to take it all apart and put it back together again, to run even better than before.
I just had my phasers replaced on my 2019 3.5 they started rattling at 9k miles. I only have 12k on the truck. There was a 2 to 3 month waiting list. It’s unbelievable to me how complicated engines have gotten since the 60s. I remember replacing the cam on my 327. It was a cinch compared now. When I saw what was behind the front cover on your video I just had to shake my head. I like the way your video is put together. You make it easy to follow along. Even though it’s by no means an easy job.I
Ford dealership technician here. I'm beyond amazed at your patience with doing this particular repair, with the cab bolted to the frame.
In the reinstall part of this job at my dealer and why cab off?
@michaelchan8916 any tips on how to get the crank pulley back on?
@@chadcamp6836 crank pulley installer tool.
What a great job- and one handed no less!! I have to do this to my 3.5L and this video was very well done and easy to follow. Definitely a subscriber and look forward to seeing more videos. Keep up the great work!
This is the best in depth video of this I e seen! Great video man.
So it's not that big of a deal changing these cam phasers out. Looks about the same as brain surgery. This is a great video because it's for the very few of us that don't have a car lift in their back yard so we can make the job much easier by lifting the body off the frame. Thx for making a video for DIY mechs.
Great Video - Everything you need to know to replace the phasers.
Awesome video man! I have an 18 with 93k miles and it rattles like something I've never heard before. I got it at 78k miles and use royal purple to change my oil. I took it to the dealership recently for a recall where they had to *reprogram power module for cam phaser rattle.. well it's gotten worse since. I took it to my local ford dealership last week for an oil change and rotated tires since my extended warranty service pretty much wants thorough evidence of the maintenance. Well, I left a thorough note about the cam phaser rattle, and how it shudders bad at idle. They said the cam phasers needed to be replaced just by hearing it from a cold start. But now I have to take it to them so they can tear it down and have the extended warranty inspector come check it out to see if they will approve it. The ford place said they couldn't diagnose the shudder until the cam phasers were accounted for. But don't they say the cam phaser rattle doesn't affect performance? I recently changed my plugs too.
Ya so the reprogram for the cam phaser rattle apparently causes transmission issues, because Ford had us stop doing the reprogram on the vehicles. The tear down is a tricky situation because you as the customer have to approve it and if the warranty company denies coverage, you're stuck with a vehicle in pieces and have to foot the bill to put it back together, or replace all the phasers and related parts out of your pocket.
@@fordmd9704 That is what is worrying me the most.. what would you suggest? Just take it up there and hope for the best? Lol I'm not certain at this point what to do
@@fultonhester3976 as long as there isn't a bunch of sludge from the previous owner of the truck, and no grooves in the cam caps due to lack of maintenance, you should be ok. These warranty companies try and get out of paying for repairs and delay it any way they can. Not a big fan of aftermarket warranties unless it's actual Ford Premiumcare. It's the best one for the customer as far as coverage, but it does pay me warranty time for the repairs, so I lose money on them.
@@fordmd9704 well hopefully that won't be the case but I'll definitely get the ford warranty next if I don't buy new
@@fultonhester3976 keep us updated
Don’t get me wrong you did an excellent job explaining it. Thank you.
Good lord man. That looked like a nightmare to do. Much respect to you sir!
I have another set of these to do tomorrow. I usually pull the cooling module out to make it easier. Great video, btw!
I pull the cab.
@@michaelchan8915 smh
Don't replace the chain and use a wedge at the tensioner so the chain does not move. Mark your chain and take the phasers out and put back on , no messing with the chain. Also use the updated phasers. Using this style again, you will be back in it later for the same problems.
Agreed, made this video before the updated ones came out
Don't see how that saves much time. The timing cover is off and the job is so involved, you should go ahead and replace chains, tensioners and guides.
I had a 2017 3.5 it was flawless traded it at 32,000 miles for a 2020 couldn’t turn down the trade offer. Only 5000 miles on the 2020 so far no issues. I am a mechanic myself so I did the initial oil changes under 2000 miles, and every 4 to 5000 after.Only use a Motorcraft filter and quality full synthetic. Not sure if I was lucky or this is not as big a problem but I hear a lot about it.Thank you for the detailed video,I noticed a lot of guys pull the cab to do this job and you didn’t. From the outside looking in it looks like it would’ve been a lot easier if you had taken the coolant overflow bottle off,But you’ve done so many of these, I know you know all the tricks ,and you don’t look like you’re in your early 20s so I was kind of surprised to see you bending over working from the top these things must beat you up doing them all day.
Thanks, ya pulling the cab is a waste of time for me, Ford doesn't pay us to do that under warranty of course, I'm sure they're losing their butts on the warranty claims. My back is ok so far haha
Very good video…thank you. I don’t know, most people idle around with these engines and never take them through their rev range. I “exercise” my ecoboost a few times a month. I hope it help. l’ll see.
I just subscribed to your channel both of these parts are great man ........ i am a tech at an independent shop but i work on a shit ton of Fords and Cam Phaser rattle is a big thing those 3.5 are a real mess!!!!!
I could almost do it myself. Great explanation. It looks like an expensive job. It seems to me you cant own old cars anymore. Engines are so complicated, it cost too much to kee a car for a long time. I have an old 5.4 lincoln which so far is doing great. I am thinking about getting a new one but these newer engines are scary
If you have a 5.4 Lincoln you don’t have much less complication than this thing.I could see if you had a GMLS that’s a simple engine but the 5.4 Lincoln is a 32 valve, 4 cam V8 ..
This isn't an old car, that's a 2017. And this is still a problem with all new model trucks.
Ford's engineers shit the bed and ford is refusing to make it a recall.
Is Ford covering this repair? I have a 2018 with 33k miles. Great video…wish I could work like you. My strengths are….else where! 👍👍
Yes it is covered under power train 5 year 60k miles
First of all, great video. You have loads of talent and knowledge. I had to have thos job done to my 3.5 gen 2 also. Maybe you can explain why these parts would need to be changed so early in the life of the vehicle and maybe if you could show the old phasers and see if they have any wear and tear on them from these cold starts. I have no clue why ford wouldn't do a recall other than not wanting to foot the bill for repair. I had 60k miles on mine when it started making noise gradually getting worse and worse.
what year is your motor and what is it in? were oil changes regular, how often? thanks
Engineers can't program in a delay to activate the phasers and also not doing proper maintenance on the vehicle no 10k oil drops even with syn oil. Run syn oil and no more than 5k changes!
Thanks sir, much clearer than all data
Thanks for your time and expertise
ive done a bunch of these never have i ever thought of removing the crank pulley with the a/c belt still attached i always removed the belt can be a lil bit of a pain sometimes ill have to give that a try next time i do one of these again...
Good job on the install of the phasers. From what I see i think we can do a low cost fix!
2019 F150 3.5 EB. Did not have rattle at 30k, 40k, and 50k dealer checkups. Each time dealer told me they were not recommending re-flash unless a problem due to trucks coming back right after with other problems (shudder). Truck had 59600 mi when rattling started. Called dealer for appointment to check, earliest was a month out and he told me not to worry as long as they saw it before 12/31/2022. Now another dealer and FMC tells me that is BS, needs new VCT and no warranty coverage available because over 60k.
Thanks for the video. You demonstrate great skills and knowledge. You replaced the Cam Phasers with the same original part numbers. I don't know the exact timing of this video but the 2021 part number was supposedly improved to address the root cause of the failures. The new part numbers are ML3Z-6256-A and ML3Z-6C525-A. Thinking if this is true then your video should be updated? Could be valuable for DIY's and people taking their trucks to shops to be aware of. Sorry if I am mistaken.
The procedure is exactly the same, just newer design phasers, marks and everything are all the same, this was made before the updated design came out, thank you!
Wow what a ton of work
She is a bit of work; well done!
Entertaining video!! Watchin ecoboost videos over dinner, looking at problems I hope I never have to fix. I've got a 2016 3.5L with 98K, and I haven't had issues like this yet. I would use the Lord's name in vain on this job, a few times.
You've got the Gen 1, which last much longer before having any issues. Also more frequent oil changes with quality oil help those alot as well. Lucas oil additive helps the Gen 1's.
Usted es un chingon camarada , gracias por su video .
Great video
What do you do in case when driver side is not in line to insert locking/timing tool it’s off by couple millimeters. But tool doesn’t clear to lock in?
Thanks
you can rotate the phasers a little bit, and just tap the tool with a rubber mallet. it won’t hurt anything cause most of those tools are aluminum and the cams are steel i think
Damn I’m doing one at work and I didn’t really check if the mark on the crank gear aligned with the two marked chain links on the (driver side). Just made sure the ones on top did. Didn’t have the special tool either /:
I couldn’t really see it and just based it off of the mark I made on my own :’(
I’ll let you guys know tomorrow if it runs good or if it needs a new engine. I already put the cover back on and all the pulleys and belts. Just waiting on some valve cover gaskets and it’ll be ready to go I hope.
Literally my 4th timing job and each one just gets harder and harder -.-
I’m changing all the phasers and the chains. Crossing my fingers that it came out good
Great and nice job
I discovered the problem with cam phasers failure and the fix! You don't have to pull the front cover!!!
Ford are you listing?
Thanks brother this video is very helpful
Great detailed video!!!
Nice Video! Love your work
Shure hope you torqued down the tensioners
Awesome video. I have a 2017 with this problem. With your explanation I could probably do this myself if I had the time. I’m having the dealership take care of it. They told me it might take 4 days. How long does it take you to preform this repair?
Depends how backed up the shop is, I'm about a week behind on actually getting to vehicles, but for me it's a half day job
Great video. Very informative.
My 2019 3.5 just began rattling today at 88k miles. How long can something drive with bad phasers before it gets too bad or causes more extensive damage
There's really no time limit, I've seen some just keep on driving even though they rattle for 5+ seconds on a cold start, you can crank the vehicle with the gas pedal all the way to the floor to "prime" the phasers on a cold start to kind of prolong the inevitable, I know it's a very expensive repair
Appreciate video disagree with reusing timing components
Man it's a great video also I'm a new subscriber 💯✅️
Thanks for the awesome videos. I'm gathering my parts to start this job and was wondering what are the torque specs for intake, timing cover, crank damper, etc? Or guide me to a place where I can find that info. Thanks in advance.
If ya got a four post lift you should cab the truck gives you all the space in the world
Some techs do it that way, I'm just used to not pulling the cab, waste of time for me, and Ford doesn't pay us for it under warranty. It only takes me 2 and a half-3 hours to complete the job if everyone leaves me alone without pulling the cab.
Did cab off once for phaser replacement, total waste of time.
@Ford MD If I had this work done by the dealer back in July of this year under tsb 21-2119, I think that SHOULD include an oil change. I'm trying to decide whether I can count that as a engine coolant change as well, or would it be a bad assumption to think they pulled the drain plugs on the engine block to get enough out to count as a real drain/fill. I have a 2017 F-150 V6 EB with 81K miles. Thanks
Yes an oil change is performed with the phaser replacement tsb. Almost all the coolant is emptied after removing the water pump and associated hoses, so really you shouldn't need to do a coolant service.
Isnt the phaser todque 22ft lbs. Back off. Then 18ft lbs. Then 150 degrees?
Book shows: tighten to 30ft lbs, loosen 360 degrees, tighten to 18 ft lbs, then 150 degrees
@@fordmd9704 Correct, that is what the Ford manual states, however that is not what you did (agree?). I have to say I'm puzzled. Not that professionals don't sometimes know better than the manufacturers themselves, but never the less puzzled I am in this case.
Sir, thank you for sharing knowledge, its really appreciated since you are working with on hand most of the job!! I definitely get what I need from information and motivation by making it so easy. I'm going to do camphasers to my 2018 Expedition, may I ask for torqueing spec for al that job? Is there a recommended dealership ( trust , price) that I can order these parts online from cause I'm outside US.I take my hat off for you man.
I have always done 22 ft lbs on stage 1, then 150 degrees for stage 2
@@fordmd9704 what about what about a reliable website ?
I died when he dropped the tensioner
What is the part number for the timing kit with phasers for 2011 ford f150 fx4 3.5l ecoboost ...
I have a 2018 with 68k that's going in in a week for this repair. So glad I'm within the 100% coverage period! How are the water pumps with these engines? I see you're right there with this repair and it wouldn't be any extra labor to have a new one put on. Are there any other parts you'd recommend to replace with this repair that aren't covered under the general repair?
Great video!!! Maybe they weren’t out yet, but why are you not using the new design phasers? All this hard work just to do it all again later. The old design is guaranteed to fail, just a matter of time.
Ya this was before the new design came out
@@fordmd9704 i figured. No way someone competent enough to do all that work would choke on putting back an inferior product.
I have same engine I had to change my head gasket on both sides I put may timing but car not running good as was before I think I mis my timing are those timing tool supposed bring exactly on time my is 2.7l ecoboost
2.7 is completely different, this video is for 3.5 only
Sucks 30000 miles later you have to redo it do to those old style phasers the new update with cover over springs seems to be better. But ford has plenty of issues with that junk.
How many miles when doing phaser would replacing timing components? If you were doing it at 91,000. Also what is the auxiliary pump for thanks
What’s the sensor that pulls through the cover on the bottom called? I of course broke mine 😤
I’m about to do this on mine and was going to just plan on replacing that sensor. Doesn’t look like oil or crank sensor, did you ever find out what it was?
Got a 19 raptor with the 3.5 also with this phaser problem since I’m doing this job I was wondering what all exactly should I replace new ? Timing chains ? Tensioners? Guides ? Also wondering if it would be good to replace camshafts and new lifters
My 3.5 2016 don’t rattle yet.I thought they had internal water pumps
Where are you located. My in laws need this done to their 2017
Sooooo much nicer to work on then the ol 5.4 eh. I enjoy doing both the 5.4 and ecoboost. Setting the timing on an ecoboost tho is quite abit easier
Great video, thanks 👍
What 8mm swivel socket are you using? I want some. 1/4 or 3/8?
I use 1/4 drive deep Matco/adv sockets mostly
Hi, I changed the phasers, timed everything correctly, put everything back together. However, after start up, I started to get a low oil pressure warning on idle only. Could you please help me troubleshoot the issue over the phone. I would like to pay you for your time.
2020 explorer st replaced phasers at 4000 mi motor blew up shortly there after both warranties by ford
Im going through this right now my Ford Dealership says it will take 2 days to do everything
Do I have to buy the new parts at the dealership or can buy it on line? sir thank you
I would highly recommend getting the parts at the dealer to make sure you get the most up to date part, they have been updated, plus better warranty
What is the long term effects of not replacing these? Ford as per TSB says no longterm durability or reliability issues, which I find hard to believe. I'm at 146,000Kms and havent gotten this done, mostly cause it's 3K out of pocket repair up here in Canada.
Thanks for taking the time for the diy shade trees. Got a question-I have to do this on a 2013 f150 crew with 3.5- that would be considered a gen1 cause of the single timing chain? Process would be exactly the same except for single chain install? Thanks for the input in advance!
Can you provide a gasket/bolt list that will need to be purchase with this job?
Why use the old Cam Phaser and not the new and improved?
Video is from before the revised ones came out, same exact procedure
Great job! Where is your shop located? I’m having some issues with my 2011 3.5.
THANKS, I'm in the Austin, TX area
I'm in the middle of doing this job on my 2017 in my driveway...so finding information for torqueing sequence and values seems to be non existent and when you ask the parts guy for a printout of the job sheets they start stuttering like you asked them for some top secret information. Do you have a suggestion for a source? Thanks for the video it was very helpful
Honestly, kind of like a head gasket as far as sequence goes. Inside to outside alternating sides, and I just use an electric ratchet during tightening. Only things I really torque are the phasers themselves and the crank pulley bolt I use my 1/2 impact. No real science to it, just done so many, I just crank them out on the regular.
@@fordmd9704 Ok buddy thank you
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Mr Ford, hopefully you see this message. My 2017 f150 3.5 eco is at the dealership right now. I took it in and they say what i though was a drive line vibration issue is a half order vibration caused by the engine. 61k miles on the engine. Ford support has told the dealership to replace both heads, all 4 cam shafts, 2 input phasers. They didn't say they were going to replace the timing chains, or guides. Would you recommend they replace both timing chains, guides and the exhaust phasers? I dont know if the Gen2 timing chains stretch like the single Gen 1 chains do.
I haven't really seen the chains stretch on the Gen 2's, but if they're doing all that might as well. Never heard of a vibration that requires all of that
great video. one question, do you know what the torque is for the crankshaft bolt?
Thank you!!
Have a 17 3.5 eco on its way back to the shop again. Bought it in November and the cam phaser rattle began. Had the cam phaser, timing chains, tensioner guides all that replaced. 9 days later YES 9 DAYS Later it started doing it again. It has gradually gotten worse. Was told it would be okay tod rive it till the dealership could get me back in. Dropped it off yesterday to have very thing replaced again. (2 year unlimited mile warranty on all parts installed) prior to this I had the ocm reprogram for cam phaser shudder done. Wondering if I should have the pcm reflashed back to normal after having the repair done?
I will never own another ecoboost for as long as I live. Should have just went with the coyote. 😭
Hmm haven't had that happen that quickly. The reprogram hasn't fixed a single truck in my experience, waste of time. If the truck is rattling already the reprogram is useless. Hopefully everything was installed properly.
9 days? If this is true and you received brand new vct units, then this isn't a "wear" issue at all! No way one of those locking pins could have worn fast enough to prevent positive engagement in 9 days! There is something else going on here....
My 2017 f150 3.5 ecoboost had vct's and phasers replaced st 38 000km , im now at 76 000km and the noise is back louder than ever. I can't believe they dropped the ball again with the gen2 phasers.... how in the hell can ford explain having phaser problems time and time again .... it boggles my mind. When the warranty is up on these trucks we will be stuck doing multiple phaser jobs out of pocket .... that's totally unacceptable . They're clearly defective! I over maintain my truck and this still happened twice !!
I mean my 2018 f150 3.5 eco boost recently started making the noise it has 86k miles on it. I don’t know if you take it to do maintenance but I don’t. I had a very bad experience with Ford when I took it for ac problem on my 06 fusion. Now I work on my own vehicles. Maybe I’m just lucky the phasers lasted long. Although I’m not so happy I have to replace it.
I seen a guy who said replacing the cam phaser solenoid fixed his cold start rattle. Even after the dealership looked it over and assured him he would have to replace cam phasers.
Did you install the new style phasers the first time they went bad?
i have a 2018 f150 lariat my question is this does this repair fix it does the repair hold?
Most of the time I have had to do multiple sets on the same vehicle. Doesn't seem to be a long term fix
Does just repair the issue until it happens again or is this a TSB that’s supposed to be a “permanent” fix?? I really need answers. I have 2012 3.5 with 188k miles. Very loud rattle for like 2 seconds on cold starts. It can’t sit for about 4 hours and rattle just as loud as over night
Ya doesn't seem to fix it long term. Seems to last a while and then they're back doing it again. The gen 1's like your 2012 last longer. Try an oil change and add the Lucas oil stabilizer. Normally works on the gen 1's
Thanks for this info. Ford says the cam phaser noise does not affect the vehicle safety, performance, or emissions. So, is it safe to skip the repair?
Or is it eventually going to cause an issue more than just a noise? Mine is eligible for replacement at Ford's expense... Not sure I want to have all of that work done if it's not necessary.
On the older Gen 1 3.5's, it could get so bad that it would jump time and cause issues. these 2nd gen ones i havent personally seen that happen yet.
If you have the cam holders on, why do you need vice grips?
Even with the holding tools on, the cams will roll and pop out of the holding tools because the bolts are so tight
@@fordmd9704 are you using aftermarket holders? That has happened to me with cheap tools I used on first gen 3.5L. The OTC tool fits really tight, knock-offs, not as well.
Thanks for posting. Have you noticed any timing chain stretch, or guide wear... especially for those of us with higher mileage? This would be a good time to replace the chains, tensioners, and guides if they are prone to stretch/wear. My parts are on order, but I'm second guessing the need for new chains/tensioners/guides.
I haven't seen any chain stretching issues yet, but the ones that I mostly do have less than 60k miles under power train warranty. The older gen 1's had chain stretching issues though. If you're going in there I would probably replace them, I also have noticed that adding lucas heavy duty oil stabilizer in the oil also helps prolong the noise.
@@fordmd9704 Thanks again. I'll be replacing the chains as well, and have been considering the stabilizer. I see many folks like the 5W40 instead of the 5W30... you see any issue with the heavier oil in colder climates like Wisconsin?
That small of a change I wouldn't see any issue with the 40 weight
@@fordmd9704 thanks again. I was able to get through the job over a long weekend. In my case, I'm the second owner of 2017 f150 ecoboost and this was, at least, the second time the phasers were replaced. For anyone doing this at home, understand that this is a BIG job, and you will need an accurate manual for torque specs and patterns. It appears that any manual that lists '15-'17 f150's is not accurate for the '17 3.5l ecoboost engine... they still list them as having a gen 1 3.5l. I was able to combine this tutorial with those from a first gen 3.5l phaser replacement presented by Ford Tech Makuloco to help with reinstallation and cleaning... and I bought a VIN specific manual for $80. She runs better than the day I bought it, and I saved nearly $2600. Now, on to the dealership for a pcm update... and a butt chewing for not disclosing the previous repairs.
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despite the noise annoyance, does the rattle do long-term damage to the engine if left as is
Not really that I've seen. Our shuttle truck is an expedition with this motor and it has over 250k miles and rattles badly, still keeps on goin
@@fordmd9704 thank you sir, this was an extremely detailed, fantastic video
How come you are reusing the chaims? Wouldn't they have stretched?
The tsb does not have you replace them, if the truck has higher mileage I will price them out extra
@@fordmd9704 thanks
Just had this problem with a 2019 Expedition with 25K miles. This issue has been a problem for a very long time. I have no idea why it’s still a problem. Maybe it time for a vehicle change.
Ya it will probably do it again. Expeditions seem to do it more frequently
Hi can i move the crankshaft alone against clockwise while the chain off to put it on the 4 o’clock position for ford explorer 2019 ? Actually need about 180° turn against clockwise to reach to its point
Can I
Thank you so much
Good video
You're installing the old style cam phasers, you know they will fail again right!??
Yes, This was 2 years ago, same exact process
How do you repair the connector on the bottom if it breaks the tabs holding it in place? Do you just glue it in? Wires are still good.
Just clean it off with some brake clean or equivalent, and I use the same silicone as you use on the front cover where it would fit in the hole and let it set up a bit. Once you have the front cover back on the seal holds it in place. It's 50/50 if you can get the cover out without it breaking.
And obviously after everything is back together you have to do an oil change, let it drain for a while so any rtv/debris drains out from cleaning the front of the block, can run a quart of oil with the plug out to be sure.
Thanks for your time worked like a charm
Do you know specifically what the issue is with the VCT unit as to why it's making a rattling noise? I'm always reading these reports of the dealer replacing the VCT units (only for the problem to still exist after), but no one ever seems to talk about the root cause is. I once heard it's a metal pin within each unit that opens and closes but supposedly gets stuck, and it has to do with oil pressure.
Honestly I don't know the root cause. I know they usually come back like 15000 miles later needing another set again, endless cycle. The 2018 and newer expeditions are particularly bad, seem to start making noise at the least mileage
Rattle noise is from pins inside the CamPhasers wearing out. Wear on those pins is caused by poor lubrication on initial startup. Not enough oil gets there before engine starts. Its just a poor piss design on Fords part. Recently Ford came out with software update which makes cranking longer before engine fires up but supposedly this update is causing transmission issues 🤦♂️ so they stopped doing update. New parts are made from supposedly better materials also. Another words with new parts you not fixing the issue with those engines you just get extra time before they go out again. Most intriguing part is that this issue effects 9-10% of 3.5L engines even though they have same CamPhasers. I believe starting November 2019 Ford started to install upgraded CamPhasers which last longer (supposedly), but again they never fixed lubrication issue that causes CamPhasers to go out in first place.
Wojciech Gierczynski should they fail at 1400 miles? Mine have on 2021 F150 2.7 ecoboost.
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Two questions : First...are you saying that 90-91% of these engines never have cam phaser failures? If this is true then the root cause for cam phaser failures is likely something else. Not sure I fully believe the delayed oil lubrication theory...when the oil drains there will always be a thin film present at startup...not fully dry on dry metal contact. I'm wondering if the root cause might be excessive stress on the cam phaser due to some other engine rotating/actuating components not aligning up properly?
Second: Why would increasing the startup cranking time affect the transmission? The transmission isn't used until the engine has started and you put it gear? Both your answers would be interesting to see. Thanks...Werner
I just wanted to add...I wonder if that stupid Auto/Stop/Start feature is also somewhat related? The biggest stress on an engine and its supporting components is during engine startup. Do the engines that always have that feature turned on cause cam phasers to fail sooner than those that have feature mostly turned off? It doesn't explain the root cause but it could explain the wide varying mileages of when they fail? Werner
This's a clean engine? How many miles on it?
Thanks for sharing
I don't remember exactly, but most have less than 30k miles
thanks for the quick reply, i just came back from the dealer they want me to bring it in, my friends think this is a class action deal what do you think the long term fix is?
I understand My 17 at Stealership Now . They rejected their “Stealership Lifetime Powertrain Warranty” because I did most of the oil changes myself. $3000 repair
Not going to be a class-action
Long-term fix: New Heads (revised) and cams. And all Timing Components
Man I did all this and I think it jumped timing because I’m getting 2 codes for bank 1 camshaft I swapped my cams sensors and get the code still
Can anyone tell me if this is the same for a 2017 Raptor?
Yes they are the same as far as I remember, intake tubes a little different
@@fordmd9704 Thanks for the reply!
Do you just replace them don’t need any special tools for timing ? Need to do it to mine but don’t know if warranty is over :(
In the middle of this and I am at the point of putting ac belt on. As I turn motor over by crank bolt to get the ac belt on I'm seeing the right bank come in and out of tension slightly as I rotate the engine is this normal?
Yes it will make ratcheting noises since there's no oil pressure built
Quick question im currently tackling this job and it turns out three of the four phasers went bad and they wont really lock in place. I got the timing marks lined up just like in the video but my problem is that my cam locking tools wont fit in between the cams any suggestions on how to lock the cams in place???
You should be able to move the cams with a wrench on the actual camshaft, not with the phasers bolt to get the tool to line up
Okay now by having the timing marks in place and moving the camshafts to get the locking tool in place once i have tool in place with the cams locked than the engine should be timed correctly and i could start removing the chains and everything else correct?
@@DanielLopez-dg8xd yes correct
Really good job explaining this. My 2017 has to have these replaced, under warranty, with only
35k miles. So this is obviously a poor design.
Makes me wonder if I made a mistake buying the ecoboost. However the 5.0 has exactly the same phasers to, correct?
Thanks, and yes Ford is going to have alot of angry customers once they're out there f the 60k power train warranty. The engine itself is good with plenty of power. I have heard that there will be another bulletin coming out with an updated design for the 3.5 phasers, but don't know when. The 5.0 has a different setup for the VCT system, and they rarely have issues with the phasers themselves, have done plenty of the solenoids on the 5.0 though, but is a MUCH less involved repair.
Ford MD should I go ahead and have them change all the belts since they have them all off? I know that will be on my dime, but you already have the labor in taking them all off.
@@wadepreston3401 I've always reused them with no problem
Do one , i cant figure if i use the front alignmnet dot for the crank sprocket for both or use the back one for the right side.
Dot on the crank sprocket is for both sides. Put it in between the double link on both sides.
When you were turning crankshaft to adjust chain did you remove cam tools?
No, just leave the camshaft alignment tools in place until you are ready to put the valve covers back on.
The camshaft alignment tools will allow for a tiny bit of play on the crankshaft so that you can wiggle the crankshaft & line up your chains on all of your sprocket timing marks.
If you have everything you could possibly need to do the job, then it should take 2 days: 1 day for tare down, 1 day to prep [in the morning] and then re-assemble everything. It's [essentially] not that much different than a full timing job on the old, shitty Triton engines.
When I'm that involved in an engine, I give it the works & replace everything: phasers, guides, chains, tensioners, VCTs, output shaft seal, upgrade the oil pump, replace the water pump, new belt, etc.
I mean, you might as well....and who would really want to have to go back in and dick with it again?