Michael, You gave me the confidence to load an old roll in half light. I seem to remember I was always doing it in the damned darkness and fumbling around. This old Brownie I have is my dad's from the early 50's. I wasn't sure I could use this old film stock which is probably from the 80s but since I am loading it now in dim light I can read the end of the film and it has perforated holes that spell HALF EXP which tells me all I need to know, so I've reloaded it and now can (HOPEFULLY!) shoot a couple of minutes of stuff and get it developed. We shall see. I have no idea what's on the already exposed half. That should prove interesting! Better look at it before showing the wife! Wish me luck. I will buy a couple of rolls of stock just for kicks and giggles. I love the grainy look. I know I'm missing a bunch of old family reels but I did find one that I will get transferred. Goofy stuff, but priceless for us surviving family members. Cheers Michael!
Hi Victor. I just bought an old camera and it has film inside. I am curious, how did you get on with your film? Did the old stuff come up? I am keen to see if what I have will actually produce anything.
SUCCESS! Thanks to your tutelage, I was able to load and run film through my two Brownie 8s! I bought an old expired Kodachrome 25 roll (R.I.P.) expired APR '79 cheap off of ebay just to learn. First load I had to fiddle with the film while holding the pressure plate (pressure!) to get it to click in. Click in it did! I pushed the trigger a second to make sure it went though, loaded the take-up spool and all was well. First Attempt! After the first half I swapped cameras and loaded it into my other Brownie and got it the first time there too. Thanks again! Next stop, FPP store for some B/W 100 or 40 maybe! Pro Tip: buy an expired roll cheap off ebay to learn how to do it, then see Mike about something to shoot with. :D
I just got a belle and Howell double 8 camera and a reel of fomapan r100 b&w reversal film. However I don’t have a take up reel. Do you know where I can find empty reels? Or what even to search for?
My dad passed and I found he still had the old Wards 710 camera. I have as pic of my mom carrying our dog in the little case at the zoo in Portland Oregon. Thinking of giving it a try but where would I get it developed? I also have all our old home movies and a couple projectors I will have to figure out next! We have one old movie during the It's a small world ride at Disney that goes black for a bit. For some reason my dad had to mess with the camera in the middle of the ride to get it working again. Memories! Thank you for this video on how to load the film.
Thanks for the video Michael. I'm in the UK and have found a supplier of Foma pan r standard 8 but been told I have to load in darkness. Would appreciate your thoughts/advice on this.... Have signed up for your newsletter ;)
That’s right. You should do that in the dark. I always do it by candle light. Or with a red lightbulb. When you don’t do that, you lose footage. And even with those precautions, you’ll still end up with fringing at the middle of the film.
Yes. Please read this blog - How To Set Your 8mm Movie Camera F-Stop Using LIGHT METER APP - filmphotographyproject.com/how-to-set-your-8mm-movie-camera-f-stop-using-light-meter-app/
Double 8 film is on a "daylight spool" - a film change bag is not needed but (if used) will give you a few extra feet per roll as nothing would be exposed to light.
@@FilmPhotographyProject Your vid and comment was much appreciated. Movie film is one of my projects. Maybe like vinyl it will come back. Nice to know your a source - Eastern Europe too but postage Is very high. Also, I shot 45 years ago and have two 30 min edited films that I’d like to bump to digital. One was using GAF film and never looked good.
I am new to super 8 film. It's safe open the back and do the second side of the film in a light filled environment? or is that something that should be done in a dark room?
Super 8 film is in a cartridge (with no second side). Double 8 film is demonstrated in this video. Film should always be loaded (and flipped) in dim light and then returned to its protective bag or tin after shooting.
I looked up Canon 518 and I only come up with a Super 8 camera. Does your film shoot Super 8. Not sure? Email me with pictures of your camera (front, sides and open film compartment. - Michael@FilmPhotographyProject.com
8mm film is actually two lengths of "film" attached in the center, side by side down the length of the film. So when you run it all the way through only one side is exposed. When you remove the takeup reel and flip it over you are exposing the other side. When developing the film, you "un-zip" the films from one another and make two separate lengths that can be spliced or left separated.
Thanks for the guide. I just bought a Double Super 8 film camera and some new film. But I have some very frustrating problem. The test film roll in camera perfectly, but when I load it with new film it loads up nicely but after I start filming the film jammed. The camera is rollin but the lower spool isnt. This problem ruined my first film and atleast most of the second one. The film is loaded correctly and it is right film for camera. I was wondering is my camera broken or do I still do something wrong and is this a common problem.
I have had that problem. Not enough torque on the take up spindle. Camera problem. Suggest finding a replacement camera. (That's what I had to do). - Mike
@@FilmPhotographyProject Not the aswer I wanted to hear but I guess that is what I have to do :( Thank you. I just superguled the plastic part to spindle. Now it rolling atleast. If the film turn out bad, then I will find a new camera.
@FilmPhotographyProject Yes!!! Thank you so much. Ive been going down the rabbit hole on mine since it was one of the ones made by The Royal Camera Company back in the late 50s in Japan do I've been trying to see if their is any internal or external diffrences in specs
THanks for the video ... I loaded my film... now lets see if the film is still good... the expiration date was 1973 lol .. not sure if it was stored in fridge... but the box was mint so Im guessing its good... for 5 euro its worth a try
I have a question: don't the film need to be loaded in a dark room? Isn't the film lost? . I loved your video :D. I have a Kodak ektachrome 8mm and I want to use it but I'm afraid to load the cartridge.
I will say I bought a dummy test roll of film to test my cameras I’ve had a better experience loading a Bell and Howell than I did with the Kodak’s. Seems like B&H had better cameras while Kodak had better projectors. I’d say the trickiest part is putting the film in the take up spool slot and getting it in there while having the supply spool NOT unravel too fast on ya lol.
The Revere 88 was my first camera of any kind, still or motion picture. Here's a question the internet won't answer: I purchased a vintage Cine-Kodak 8mm camera (Model 20). It has a reel of not-completely exposed film in it. It could have expired half a century ago. Well, I'll just finish running it through and send it off for processing. But, um, am I finishing off side One - and can flip it over for side Two - or am I finishing side Two? Is there any way to tell because, you know: double exposed film is the realm of madness!
Usually the camera spool will look different than the loaded film roll spool. The camera spool needs to be empty when finish shooting Side 2. If you are shooting - use an ISO of 3 in blazing sunlight. That old film has defiantly lost speed.
@@FilmPhotographyProject You're my Film Photography hero, you know. I'll finish the roll off then send it to you. I'm not expecting to see priceless and unique footage of FDR's 1933 inaugural speech, but it'll be a good exercise in reintroducing myself to using good ol' 8mm film. Also, I'll be ordering a fresh roll - or two! - from you.
I have an old 8mm I bought somewhere... it has film in it. I would love to know what to do with it. Like can I get it developed? Can I open the camera?
Hi Michelle, I am going to try this place that seems to specialize in very old film developing: www.filmrescue.com/ I have no experience with them yet. My mother in law gave me the family movie camera dating back to the mid 1930's that still has film in it, so we'll see....
@@z20000z How did you get on? Like Michelle I have a camera with film in it. I did not know and opened the camera. I assumed that like a stills camera the film would be ruined but watching this video I am not so sure now.
@@AccessiblePhotography Hello! Thank you for asking. I opened the camera in a room with very dim light, just enough to see what I was doing. It was very strange in a way because I realized that the last person who loaded this camera was long past, probably my wife's grandfather. So I sent it to the lab mentioned in my earlier post. Due to poor storage (probably a very hot storage container) and the age of the film, there were barely any images to be seen. There was only a minute or so of footage because the camera had jammed all of those decades ago. So I have a very murky short film of a children's holiday parade from school in the late 1940s. If you Google 1940's children's holiday costumes, then you'll know what a strange and scary sight that I beheld! If your film is from more recent times, I suggest opening in complete darkness. Hope this helps!
My dad passed away 30 years ago and I just found an old Bell & Howell Flimo Double Run 8 model #134B that still has film in it and it still runs. What are the chances that this film is still any good to be developed?
Hi. If your Dad's camera still has film in it, it's old Kodachrome. If you shoot the rest of it, shoot at ISO 10. Old Kodachrome can be developed as BW (usually with poor results). Read about it here - filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/copy-of-develop-scan-service-vintage-ektachrome-160-type-a-g
Kyle, old cine film had a black leader and could be loaded in subdued light....do you happen to have found out whether foma pan 100r (used above) can be treated this way? I have loaded a roll in a dark bag but it is a struggle and you can't look to check whether it's running correctly when you run the camera.
and make sure the first and last few seconds of shooting don't have important things, especially if you are shooting a project and not, say, a pool party with friends
on the empty one you need to give it a few turns and then pull a bit until you feel it doesn't unwind. stupid question: are you putting the film lead inside the indent in the spool?
Thanks for this! I now feel a lot more comfortable about buying an old 8mm camera
Oh my god what are the odds? This is the exact camera I am trying to figure out!
9 months late but funny seeing you here. Cool to see you have (had?) an interest in Double 8 filmography.
Same I’m using the revere 88 camera. What a coincidence
Thank you, I have a keysytone olympic k-35 and had no idea how to load until I watched this
Michael, You gave me the confidence to load an old roll in half light. I seem to remember I was always doing it in the damned darkness and fumbling around. This old Brownie I have is my dad's from the early 50's. I wasn't sure I could use this old film stock which is probably from the 80s but since I am loading it now in dim light I can read the end of the film and it has perforated holes that spell HALF EXP which tells me all I need to know, so I've reloaded it and now can (HOPEFULLY!) shoot a couple of minutes of stuff and get it developed. We shall see. I have no idea what's on the already exposed half. That should prove interesting! Better look at it before showing the wife! Wish me luck. I will buy a couple of rolls of stock just for kicks and giggles. I love the grainy look. I know I'm missing a bunch of old family reels but I did find one that I will get transferred. Goofy stuff, but priceless for us surviving family members. Cheers Michael!
Hi Victor. I just bought an old camera and it has film inside. I am curious, how did you get on with your film? Did the old stuff come up? I am keen to see if what I have will actually produce anything.
Thanks so much, from Spain. It's a very useful video
Godspeed the Film Photography Project.
SUCCESS! Thanks to your tutelage, I was able to load and run film through my two Brownie 8s! I bought an old expired Kodachrome 25 roll (R.I.P.) expired APR '79 cheap off of ebay just to learn. First load I had to fiddle with the film while holding the pressure plate (pressure!) to get it to click in. Click in it did! I pushed the trigger a second to make sure it went though, loaded the take-up spool and all was well. First Attempt! After the first half I swapped cameras and loaded it into my other Brownie and got it the first time there too. Thanks again! Next stop, FPP store for some B/W 100 or 40 maybe!
Pro Tip: buy an expired roll cheap off ebay to learn how to do it, then see Mike about something to shoot with. :D
Unfortunately no one develops Kodachrome anymore.
YES you are my hero sir I have a bunch of 8 mm cameras laying about AND an 8mm projector you have inspired me to make something
How did it go?
Oh, yes, this's fantastic. Thanks so much.
This is great, thanks! I have a yashica U-matic I have been too scared to use XD
Thank You Michael
Happy to assist!
Cheers for the guide, recently got a quarz 5, and luckily a supplier in Europe for film from yourselves looking forward to shooting it.
Who's the supplier?
Got from re-voir
Good video!!
AWESOME! Was just gifted an 8mm camera. Its on!
Shoot! I turned in a script to my EFSC class for this!
when you reload the spools for the second exposure, do you shoot just like you did before? do you have to put the camera in reverse?
just loaded my keystone auto because of this - thanks!
I shot most of my channel with a Revere 8, Model 99. I do the transfers with a 1932 Kodak Kodascope movie projector.
I just got a belle and Howell double 8 camera and a reel of fomapan r100 b&w reversal film. However I don’t have a take up reel. Do you know where I can find empty reels? Or what even to search for?
My dad passed and I found he still had the old Wards 710 camera. I have as pic of my mom carrying our dog in the little case at the zoo in Portland Oregon. Thinking of giving it a try but where would I get it developed? I also have all our old home movies and a couple projectors I will have to figure out next! We have one old movie during the It's a small world ride at Disney that goes black for a bit. For some reason my dad had to mess with the camera in the middle of the ride to get it working again. Memories! Thank you for this video on how to load the film.
The Film Photography Project offers new Regular 8mm (Double 8) movie film as well as development and scanning services. Also can scan vintage movies.
@@FilmPhotographyProject Awesome thanks!
Thanks for the video Michael. I'm in the UK and have found a supplier of Foma pan r standard 8 but been told I have to load in darkness. Would appreciate your thoughts/advice on this.... Have signed up for your newsletter ;)
That’s right. You should do that in the dark. I always do it by candle light. Or with a red lightbulb. When you don’t do that, you lose footage. And even with those precautions, you’ll still end up with fringing at the middle of the film.
I have a minolta auto zoom 8, I believe I can only change iso and shutter no aperture
Can I take this roll of film and put it on a 8mm projector?
this was very helpful! although my old 8mm movie camera does not have automatic mode, please could you advise on how to use manual mode? thanks!
Yes. Please read this blog - How To Set Your 8mm Movie Camera F-Stop Using LIGHT METER APP - filmphotographyproject.com/how-to-set-your-8mm-movie-camera-f-stop-using-light-meter-app/
Great vid. Do you need a safelight or changing bag???? I’ve got tons of my Dads 8mm cameras.
Double 8 film is on a "daylight spool" - a film change bag is not needed but (if used) will give you a few extra feet per roll as nothing would be exposed to light.
@@FilmPhotographyProject Your vid and comment was much appreciated. Movie film is one of my projects. Maybe like vinyl it will come back. Nice to know your a source - Eastern Europe too but postage Is very high.
Also, I shot 45 years ago and have two 30 min edited films that I’d like to bump to digital. One was using GAF film and never looked good.
where can buy the film？
Where do you source your film? If you have any suggestions for sites I can find it that would help me a LOT! :)
The Film Photography Project makes the film - filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/double-8
I am new to super 8 film. It's safe open the back and do the second side of the film in a light filled environment? or is that something that should be done in a dark room?
Super 8 film is in a cartridge (with no second side). Double 8 film is demonstrated in this video. Film should always be loaded (and flipped) in dim light and then returned to its protective bag or tin after shooting.
I have a 1960s soviet Ekran and it doesnt have a "creepy claw part" Im not sure what to wrap it around in that case?
also i dont have a "film half exposed" cover thing
Availability of this film hoping to buy this film but website says sold out, do you happen to know when this will be available again for purchase ?
500T Color Sept 10 / 50D Color estimated date Oct 1 - Consider signing up for the e-mail newsletter (on home page) filmphotographyproject.com/
I'm thinking of picking up an old circa 1960's 8mm video camera. How do you go about getting the film onto a computer? Thanks.
Film Photography Project Film - Develop - Scan Bundle - filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/double-8-film-bundle-film-develop-scan-color-negative-25-ft-40-iso
This is a stupid question but I have a canon 518 single 8 camera, is this the film i would use?
I looked up Canon 518 and I only come up with a Super 8 camera. Does your film shoot Super 8. Not sure? Email me with pictures of your camera (front, sides and open film compartment. - Michael@FilmPhotographyProject.com
How does the half exposed works with out doing double exposure?
8mm film is actually two lengths of "film" attached in the center, side by side down the length of the film. So when you run it all the way through only one side is exposed. When you remove the takeup reel and flip it over you are exposing the other side. When developing the film, you "un-zip" the films from one another and make two separate lengths that can be spliced or left separated.
Thanks for the guide. I just bought a Double Super 8 film camera and some new film. But I have some very frustrating problem. The test film roll in camera perfectly, but when I load it with new film it loads up nicely but after I start filming the film jammed. The camera is rollin but the lower spool isnt. This problem ruined my first film and atleast most of the second one. The film is loaded correctly and it is right film for camera. I was wondering is my camera broken or do I still do something wrong and is this a common problem.
I have had that problem. Not enough torque on the take up spindle. Camera problem. Suggest finding a replacement camera. (That's what I had to do). - Mike
@@FilmPhotographyProject Not the aswer I wanted to hear but I guess that is what I have to do :( Thank you. I just superguled the plastic part to spindle. Now it rolling atleast. If the film turn out bad, then I will find a new camera.
Hey I have an old 50s Holiday Meter matic, would this be a similar way in loading the film?
Similar to this camera (perhaps)? czcams.com/video/rLQBfKkCAok/video.html
@FilmPhotographyProject Yes!!! Thank you so much. Ive been going down the rabbit hole on mine since it was one of the ones made by The Royal Camera Company back in the late 50s in Japan do I've been trying to see if their is any internal or external diffrences in specs
THanks for the video ... I loaded my film... now lets see if the film is still good... the expiration date was 1973 lol .. not sure if it was stored in fridge... but the box was mint so Im guessing its good... for 5 euro its worth a try
BW film - might be good. If its vintage Kodachrome - no processing available. :(
@@FilmPhotographyProject its kodachrome II Film ASA 25 15 DIN
Is there an issue with the loop being too big? I know the image will be jittery if it is too short.
Correct about the loop on some cameras models.
Wow, I just noticed this: his voice sounds EXACTLY like Terry O'Quinn's (Locke from Lost)
Where, was this, shot?!?
Really Nice! Btw where can we develop such film?
In the US - The FPP - filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/develop-scan-service-regular-8mm-film-50-ft-rolls
FilmPhotographyTube cheers 👍😊
Why do we wind it? Do we make sure it’s not wound up when we run it through a second time?
There's a wind-up on the side of the camera. The motor only runs when you hit the "run" button.
I have a question: don't the film need to be loaded in a dark room? Isn't the film lost? . I loved your video :D. I have a Kodak ektachrome 8mm and I want to use it but I'm afraid to load the cartridge.
As demonstrated, load in dim light. The film is on what's known as a "daylight spool" - it partially protects the film.
The dimmed light thing I don't understand. So really I wouldn't need to be in a total dark environment or to do it in a dark bag or so?
Loading in super din light will save the film ends from being flashed. So, don't need a dark bag but the dimmer the light, the better. - Mike
I will say I bought a dummy test roll of film to test my cameras I’ve had a better experience loading a Bell and Howell than I did with the Kodak’s. Seems like B&H had better cameras while Kodak had better projectors. I’d say the trickiest part is putting the film in the take up spool slot and getting it in there while having the supply spool NOT unravel too fast on ya lol.
The Revere 88 was my first camera of any kind, still or motion picture. Here's a question the internet won't answer: I purchased a vintage Cine-Kodak 8mm camera (Model 20). It has a reel of not-completely exposed film in it. It could have expired half a century ago. Well, I'll just finish running it through and send it off for processing. But, um, am I finishing off side One - and can flip it over for side Two - or am I finishing side Two? Is there any way to tell because, you know: double exposed film is the realm of madness!
Usually the camera spool will look different than the loaded film roll spool. The camera spool needs to be empty when finish shooting Side 2. If you are shooting - use an ISO of 3 in blazing sunlight. That old film has defiantly lost speed.
@@FilmPhotographyProject You're my Film Photography hero, you know. I'll finish the roll off then send it to you. I'm not expecting to see priceless and unique footage of FDR's 1933 inaugural speech, but it'll be a good exercise in reintroducing myself to using good ol' 8mm film.
Also, I'll be ordering a fresh roll - or two! - from you.
I have an old 8mm I bought somewhere... it has film in it. I would love to know what to do with it. Like can I get it developed? Can I open the camera?
Hi Michelle, I am going to try this place that seems to specialize in very old film developing: www.filmrescue.com/
I have no experience with them yet.
My mother in law gave me the family movie camera dating back to the mid 1930's that still has film in it, so we'll see....
@@z20000z How did you get on? Like Michelle I have a camera with film in it. I did not know and opened the camera. I assumed that like a stills camera the film would be ruined but watching this video I am not so sure now.
@@AccessiblePhotography Hello!
Thank you for asking. I opened the camera in a room with very dim light, just enough to see what I was doing. It was very strange in a way because I realized that the last person who loaded this camera was long past, probably my wife's grandfather.
So I sent it to the lab mentioned in my earlier post. Due to poor storage (probably a very hot storage container) and the age of the film, there were barely any images to be seen. There was only a minute or so of footage because the camera had jammed all of those decades ago. So I have a very murky short film of a children's holiday parade from school in the late 1940s. If you Google 1940's children's holiday costumes, then you'll know what a strange and scary sight that I beheld!
If your film is from more recent times, I suggest opening in complete darkness.
Hope this helps!
@@z20000z many thanks for the reply. Shame you only got a short clip.
My dad passed away 30 years ago and I just found an old Bell & Howell Flimo Double Run 8 model #134B that still has film in it and it still runs. What are the chances that this film is still any good to be developed?
Hi. If your Dad's camera still has film in it, it's old Kodachrome. If you shoot the rest of it, shoot at ISO 10. Old Kodachrome can be developed as BW (usually with poor results). Read about it here - filmphotographystore.com/collections/fpp-scanning-services/products/copy-of-develop-scan-service-vintage-ektachrome-160-type-a-g
@@FilmPhotographyProject Thank you.
Does this not have to be done in the dark at all?
Kyle, old cine film had a black leader and could be loaded in subdued light....do you happen to have found out whether foma pan 100r (used above) can be treated this way? I have loaded a roll in a dark bag but it is a struggle and you can't look to check whether it's running correctly when you run the camera.
Why isn’t sarcasm a font?
very cool though the whole process looks very expensive.
Seems im the only person appreciating the sound FX lol
Wait so I can load 8mm in light and it won’t get ruined
Load in very dim light. Each roll is on a "daylight spool" so the film won't get exposed as you load.
and make sure the first and last few seconds of shooting don't have important things, especially if you are shooting a project and not, say, a pool party with friends
Almost same as medium format camera like mamiya c330 when loading
My film won't stay on the spool
Something wrong - start over and try again - you'll get it! - Mike
on the empty one you need to give it a few turns and then pull a bit until you feel it doesn't unwind. stupid question: are you putting the film lead inside the indent in the spool?
Would be weird for a kid to have an 8mm camera...
No way! - Mike
hey michael try to send you an email did not go through