I miss old World of Warcraft...
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- Just a ramble video for today reflecting on the old times.
If you're someone who's checked the description of this video, can you leave a comment about one of your favorite moments in the game over the years? I'd really love to get to know what aspects make the game special for other people as well :)
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i miss the old WoW community though, the whole gaming community shift to metagaming killed WoW for me, still play it tho
Exactly! Again, I'm more of a PvP guy so I don't interface with the PvE community as much, but trying to find a raiding guild with people combing through your parses, your logs, having 3rd party addons that tell you your entire history of playing the game and mandating you commit like 12 hours a week with 95% attendance makes it akin to an applicant tracking system. It's like I'm trying to get through an HR department just to find a guild to casually raid with. This video in particular was unscripted but I think if I re-recorded it I'd have dug a little deeper into that aspect. I'll link the video for the Cataclysm Global launch since imo it encapsulates a lot of what the WoW community once was: czcams.com/video/QyxFSZH-Xdw/video.html&ab_channel=WorldofWarcraft
@@OverlordMoon Yeah agreed 100%
@@OverlordMoon There are more casual guilds out there. But most of them are like this. People like to do the more challenging bosses not much you can change about that.
I really don't think meta gaming did it in for you. I think it is blamed for the real issue. Meta gaming isn't so bad because you really don't have to participate. Just play with people more casual. The issue is, you time is worth nothing in classic wow. Blizzard allows botters and gold sellers to soak up the economy and your time becomes nearly worthless. You can spend 4 hours playing wow farming gold that some weirdo will spend 30 minutes at real life work making money and buying the same amount of resources you farmed. It forces people out of the open world of warcraft into raid logging re-re.
@@AWholeGamer that is an issue ofc but i dont realize that in my day to day gameplay man, it is metagaming . no one wants to have chill and have a chat everyone is speed leveling and doing their own shit
What classic made me realize that I miss the old community rather than the game itself. I do really enjoy classic from vanilla to now cata. But it isn't the same, first off it was all fresh and new, now we're playing on the last patch and know all the upcoming content. I miss how old realms used to be pretty balanced, i remember having such fun doing open world pvp at the crossroads. The Internet culture is different now, and the way you play classic is different and will never be the same
agreed
What classic made me realize is that wow used to be a rpg and it's not really a rpg anymore it's more an eSport title (a bad one) than a rpg. Classes all feel the same. Everyone can heal. Everyone can dps. You generate a resource and you spend a resource. Very cookie cutter class design. Levelling is not really important anymore outside of getting more health and getting access to end game content. You can pretty much as a level 60 grab 20 level 70 mobs and aoe them down with almost all dps classes. You stay idle in Valdrakken waiting for someone to invite you and it takes 30 minutes to find a group because you're not a meta class and people are ******. Questing is not relevant anymore. Takes age to get gear. Etc ... etc ... etc ...
Yes everything was fresh and new and we were so bad, but we got better.
Group quests where you could ask in the zone general chat for other players who are on the quest.
Having to ask for a dungeon group and make the trip out to the instance, the exploration to go to the instance was something, and you socialized with your group on the way.
The fact that at lower levels regardless of specialization you could fill other roles. Shadow priests, shamans, paladins and druids of all specs all healed lower level dungeons. Any class with a tank spec could potentially tank fine mostly to lvl 50 regardless of spec.
BG PVP with your guild or friends.
Recognizing the names of people around on your server in the open world on both sides.
The Dungeon tools and LFR are cool to experience content and on a time budget, but at the cost of community and social aspects.
Asking for advice in chat about mobs/bosses, abilities and classes and getting an actual answer instead of a link to a guide or "Get gud scrub"
I remember being so engrossed with the game world and not looking up anything about it. The world of warcraft was beautiful to discover. Finding new friends and asking them questions and learning new things through conversations made it special.
all of my best times in wow came during the times were servers and guilds mattered and were the core of your daily experience. You would log in, hit g chat with "what we doing" and immediately have options. Now, for multiple expansions, i just log in and sit there by myself and everyone on my friends list is doing the same thing.
Easy solution for not playing with players, who are min/maxing: Just form your own guild, where everybody can play how they want. A lot of people complain about this, but yet nobody is willing to play Raids in Classic with 10 Moonkins and Ret-Palas instead of 10 warriors. I think, people want to act like they don't care about the Meta, but in reality they still want those shiny epics with minimum effort and minimum time spent. You can't have both though, so people show their true face and raid with 30 warriors and mages for fast clearing.
Fortunately, Blizzard has made official servers for those who need a daily dose of nostalgia to keep paying the subscription fee. So there's no reason to miss the past when it's already in the present, don't you think?
Wow was so popular in its first couple of years of infancy purely based on the fact it's communication & chat function was cleaner and coded better then most online chat platforms at the time - Its actually kind of insane
This must be a CZcams WoW meta trend to make "I miss old WoW" videos... I don't think people miss old WoW, they miss being a kid playing a new game for the first time back in a time when the internet was new. The mystery and exploration is now solved before the new retail expansion comes out and for classic players the mystery and exploration was solved 20 years ago...
Correct. People forgot, MMO's used to be 50% chatrooms.. the rest was 50% mystery and nobody knew where to do what. THAT is what people are missing, but they somehow don't realize it. This is the same for people who started with different MMO's.. Just the fact you could all of a sudden run around in an online world with FRIENDS from real life.. and also strangers you were able to meet from all over the world, that was HUGE back then. You always had people who wanted to be at the top and grinded more than everyone else, but now it's a thing of... If you don't min/max you aren't welcome. All of these things will never come back.
When i first discovered Azeroth in the vanilla days , I wasnt young but not that old that it meant nothing to me, it was this amazing world and with Teamspeak, other players took on personalities and we discussed how to tackle more elaborate bosses, in those days your class was distinct and I as a mage loved every bit of being that glass cannon, in a group, you, along with all the other classes had a distinct role to play in the success of the outcome, mages were good at crowd control and supportive power and it took an understanding of your class and its full abilities. I loved playing in a guild and I loved the lore and playing alongside your king. It felt so majestic and I have deserved all my titles and wear the saviour of Azeroth with pride. This is a fantasy world, and it is a beautiful place to visit in your spare moments, the scenery is amazing and holds a dear spot within me, I loved discovering it all, the only expansion that brought me to my knees was shadowlands, I could forgive any other bad choices but shadowlands was so disturbing, I hated it, and I hated how the jailer used Anduin, who is my most favourite character in the game, from a child who never had a real childhood to a youth who longed to care for his people and Azeroth, wanting to bring only peace and happiness to his people and his sweet nature letting him down and earning the scorn of a lot of players, though I do not know why , I hated all the ways shadowlands destroyed the lore and how it took the players away from the characters they either hated or loved . I didnt like the destroying of Teldrassdil but I can live with that and Dragonflight to me, healed a lot. i have enjoyed the break and I like flying in all forms, it adds to the magical effect. I immerse myself in this dreamscape, sometimes just for the pleasure of wandering in it and I try with all the time restrictions that life poses, to keep my mage up to date and now I have a whole team of other toons, that I have levelled and enjoyed but none so much as my first toon, my age. I will play this game, good or bad till it ends which i hope never happens and may I say welcome back Chris Metzen, I missed your input.
Lore has always been my favorite part of wow. I was hopeful for dragonflight and while the content was fantastic the lore was a little weak. Im actually really excited for the world soul saga and i think the lore could be amazing but only time will tell
Went from the World of Warcraft, to the Instances of Warcraft
Bullshit. There are tons of things to explore in the open world, if you really want to. But people don't do it, because everybody wants to max their itemlvl.
Definitely miss the feeling of community; players had reputations.
Sharding/Phasing or however they call it in WoW is what killed those things like player reputation. If it's not just one world/server but all of them combined and somehow connected and at the same time not connected, kills this reputation thing.. Nobody cares about their own if they will NEVER see you again.
If you miss old wow, go play old wow. Theres so many private servers with huge communities, and actual retail classic era. What you truly miss is the old community and feeling of mmo's being a new thing.
Private servers is a stupid response. Most people don't want to spend a massive chunk of their time deleted because of intellectual property rights... or the mass of other issue that comes with private server but thats an aside really.
So if private servers are a bust, official is the consideration. Official classic servers from day one are being abused by bot/gold sellers. People don't participate in the game and start buying gold because their time is being devalued to an extreme.
Classic wow has it boring moments and it's a much slower paced game than all the expansions of wow so when you have your economy abused it takes a bigger portion of the fun away from someone compared to playing live where there are tons of distractions/interesting goals.
The community was great before, sure... I don't need that again. I just need to be able to play the game instead of having bot farms devalue my time at like a 50/1 ratio.
@@AWholeGamer devalue your time? Is it fun or a job to you, to play the game? If you have fun during the game, they can't possibly "devalue" your time.. It's wasted time anyway, unless you have fun, enough of it to justify not having done anything productive.
@@AWholeGamer private servers isn't a stupid response, you realise the vast majority of servers have not been shut down and have been running for many years? It's only a few huge ones that got shut down, and turtle wow is currently huge and won't be shut down because of IP, as it's ran and hosted in Russia, the main issue with other private servers were that the owners did not reside in Russia, and we're personally sent cease and desist orders.
In fact blizzard already sent turtle wow cease and desist orders years ago and have tried to shut them down, and they ignored them.
Most of the time when servers shut down, is because they get scared of blizzard when they get hit with legal threats, when in reality they can't really do anything because IP laws work differently in places like Russia. The main issue with Nostalrius etc was that they were basically manipulated by blizzard, and I believe a few of the team members resided in the US and we're personally threatened with legal action
@@AWholeGamer I play on a very good private server that has been up for 6 years now. It feels much more Vanilla than Classic did.
@@dannyp9210 Yea i have anecdotal evidence that is pretty irrelevant to the conversation too.
I miss my old guild. Sons of Chaos on Eonar 2006-2007. Those were the days!
I often talk about this with friends I used to play with, and I totally agree.
To be fair, I do like the gameplay we have now, with all the qol improvments over the years (like for example saving inventory space for mounts).
What I do miss, is the social part of the game, that feeling when I was 16, coming back from school, getting on teamspeak doing my daily HC in Shattrath, going in Karazhan without really trying to defeat it, just for the sake of playing toghether, laughing... That's what I'm nostalgic about yeah.
Now a days, I feel like the players forgot it was an MMOrpg. Like joining a dungeon, nobody says nothing, not even a quick "hi". Back in TBC, you had kind of a "reputation" on your realm, if you screwed people, you'd be pretty much F'd to find a guild.
Sorry about the typos, just a french trying some english x)
You don't miss old WoW. You miss gaming in the golden era 2005-2015
I loved the old days. I‘d even say 1995-2015
It isn't always nostalgia. It can be just preference. I still prefer aspects of Vanilla and am still playing it as opposed to retail.
The future is now, old man!
I understand "being an Adventurer" aspect you are talking about. But we aren't at the beginning anymore. We aren't frodo and sam running through the corn fields, hoping we can make it to the prancing pony. We've done that stuff, and we've paid our dues. At some point, you stop being an adventurer, because you've become the Hero. The Mawwalker was a bit much I will admit. But DnD terms we aren't a local heros, or even realm heros anymore. We are renown amongst the world. No MMO can make us the exact center of the story, that is why they use other hero's like Thrall, Anduin, Jaina, and so on as the conduits of that aspect of story telling.
As for the community, something to many nostaglic/classic players forget. Players, Gamers, the people behind the screen have changed over the years. No longer are we kids with endless time on our hands. It is the casual, solo player, that doesn't look to group up for everything that spends the most money on this game, with whales being the exception. But it is like this in all of gaming right now. The casual's money is bigger than the hardcore. Its the casual players' money that keeps games alive. All gaming industry has done is address their games more and more to the bigger over all pockets.
Look i'm not discounting your views, classic players, and whatever. you points are valid, but the point still stands. Gamers have changed. Nothing was taken out of the game that stops you from sitting in town spamming LFG. Nothing is stopping you from finding a guild you gel with, nothing is stopping you from forming your own MPlus group.
The only thing that changed was the tools needed for the solo player to rise, and not be forced to play in a way they don't find comfortable, or fun.
I take this back. Only 2 MMO's make you the center of the story. Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, and FFXIV. Least those are the only 2 I know of.
You can't spam LFG in chat because your message will get diluted by the fast GDKP and other spam. Everything is too fast paced ADHD inducing stress in most games, especially WoW. Actually in the entire world.
@@JUSSHUSS Then speed up, or get left behind. I use the in game LFG for my needs, raiding and mplus. works just fine for me an I imagine many many more.
When I go to cata I use LFD, gets the job done. When I was playing SoD, I used the LFG addon. Why? because sitting in chat spaming LFG, died years ago, and I hate it.
People talk about no community in Retail, but funny thing is I do more chatting in LFG raids, and Mplus than I do in cata, or in SoD. The most socializing I did in either of classics was on discord with guildies.
700th sub broo nice vid gl
best community ive experienced is on Turtle Wow
I thought that wasn't a thing releasing until sometime next year? Is it playable now?
@@OverlordMoon the new engine is being released next year so that the client runs better on modern PCs. It's been playable for several years now and they actively band gdkp and boosting/botting. The community is big enough to always find groups, but small enough that everyone ends up with a real server reputation like we did back in the day.
Remember when you actually had a chance of dying before reaching max level? Pull one too many mobs or forget to heal up between combat and you might actually die. Now you feel overpowered from level 1. The pace was much slower and every level mattered. Finding new gear was an achievement. Getting across the map took time. The world was just Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor yet it felt 10x bigger than now.
Wow just followed the new youth generation, which needs everything to be fast and quick... A great reflection of what mankind became.
Me too 😢
Yea even in SoD no one helps like they used to I'm a casual player and only have a lvl 35 on SoD I don't play retail at all. SoD people don't even wanna group up because it slows them down to get to the endgame grind. People have changed so much and focus purely on being the best geared they can and it's not fun. When classic first came out I made so many friends helping them or someone helping me. Just not the case in today's versions of the game .
The reason I stopped playing WoW, as well as other MMOs, is that I couldn't get people to stop dipping. People want to get a 100% clear with no resistance, or not at all. Because I'm a kinesthetic learner who doesn't have perfect reflexes or infallible memory, I get raged on the moment I get scratched by a mechanic or when people in PvP can't focus a target, or if the sky is blue. I can bust my ass for my guild all day it's just people don't want to be your friend, they want to go in and get a clear and will gang up on you if you don't carry them. You have all the shouter who want the "perfect party" and it will fail again and again. Of course some people are "nice" about leaving/kicking you...
I just want to play the game without any fighting or drama, I want to be able to fail without having to worry about being fired. I want to be able to play in a guild that actually wants to be there and not bench you the moment you start struggling.
I just want to play...
I went from putting in under 10 hours of WoW a year for like 15 years to finally playing it all out this last year putting in hundreds of hours. Hardcore servers opening up put a fun spin to WoW that it just never had for me before and i've taken the time to max out anywhere from 1-5 toons on each expansion now. Overall, the game is extremely easy compared to most games out there and the player base is adamant they want it kept that way so it can remain inclusive to low skill players and that's killed any hope retail will EVER have of trying to be "exploratory" like it was when you were a kid. Sorry that this is something we all have to face, for me I've had to accept call of duty, racing games and maple story (my childhood favorites) are all BLEH compared to the way they were in their peak era and to that point i have to echo everyone telling to you "cope" brother :( Most of that isn't the game, it's that the feeling YOU got is changing.
But you also responded to someone about the 3rd party addons, parsing and attendance and thats SOOO out of touch with most of the community, it screams to me you arent a part of any meaningful friendgroups in WoW. That behavior is so rejected by 90% of the community and its your choice to engage with the 10% of jerks/wannabes acting like that. The big factor i cant get behind is how much you're saying the game lacks content when the reality is you're just not having fun challenging yourself to do content, which is called boredom, and Blizzard isn't our therapist its our responsibility as gamers to have fun or take a break. Asmons got everyone thinking the second they arent having fun its time to make a youtube video complaining...
Just ignore the community and find like minded individuals. I don't understand this "I mIsS tHE oLD COmMunity". It's still there you just have to find it.
I agree with just about every point you made, sadly that ship sailed a looong time ago in wow.
we cant go back to old WoW, my friend. its gaming culture that has changed. guilds were big back then because MMORPGs were still quick new, a place to socialize. people also sucked at the game, hardcore. people are good now, they do their research and they know the fights. people also get their share of social interaction in other ways like Discord or Twitch rather than an MMORPG. we can no longer go back to the old days
Yeah I feel the same. I run solo in all aspects of wow, even tho classic requires you to be in a guild. Almost nobody types in guild chat, everyone uses discord, and I just don't like siting in a discord talking with randoms about nothing. GDKPs and addons have really ruined the game, and tired of everyone pushing meta tactics from millions of guides. I remember this rogue joining my guild in wotlk, he told us he was kicked cause of 1-2 points in talents were different from the top guides at the time, and he was the one that wrote the guides...he was theorycrafting with the new talents for a new guide...the dude was an amazing rogue, and was the only person to beat me on fights.
Sounds legit. But don't worry: This rogue, who seems to be one of the best players in the world, if he writes "the guides", will for sure find a better fitting guild, who will see his genius.
that's fcking hilarious... I would've lost my mind being that rogue... Like.. Wtf? I wrote that fcking guide 🤣 kick out that leader instead.
I wouldn't know I just watch WoW videos and play on Console
I came back to retail after leaving during cata/pandaria time and this seems very disappointing.
Even playing casually feels like a chore now.
It's a chore cause you make it a chore. I'm playing casually and I haven't felt like It's a chore for 4 months now. If you are gearing you have 1 weekly quest you can do and then lfr. If you want to, you're playing casually after all. There isn't a single thing atm that you actually have to do. You chose what to do and if that's a chore then that's on you.
Devs that don't respect what the IP was actually about, a community obsessed with chasing parses and ratings, no social features like player housing or true minigames, solo play taking a priority.
Game's never coming back.
It's so generic now.
The future is now old man.
Realms don't matter, factions don't matter, guilds don't matter, grouping doesn't matter, Ions killed everything about community on this game.
Not even talking about his idiotic borrowed power systems, failed professions and encounters for addons instead of players.
No interest in playing classic? Just pure classic era ?
The truth is current wow is not really like a true mmorpg the way old ones were. They need to learn from fantasy and fiction again. Watch isekai or animes based on mmorpgs, which isn't constrained by development or design but just pursuing this ideal mmorpg second life world players can fully immerse themselves into
You don't miss old WoW, because its literaly still here. You miss being a kid. F***in cope with it already.
Here is a list of what made WoW go downhill dramatically.
1. Flying. Experiencing the world was much more immersive when you had to work hard to explore it.
2. LFG / group finder. There is zero requirement to speak to anyone anymore. You can just sign up, you're in, you're finished, rinse and repeat. I can expand on this but if you have a brain it speaks for itself.
3. Too much content and not enough reason to do it all. They've added heaps and heaps more content to the game, quite needlessly. They could have just expanded on what was already in the game in other ways, as to not overload the player with thousands of possible things to do. It's a huge burnout to even look at WoW now.
4. Storyline failures. They should have kept it simple. They made it far more dramatic, but also removed what made WoW what it was in part. The gore, the profane things and anything explicit is now gone, unfortunately. People are far too soft. It's like MLP.
5. Evokers
6. Pandas
7. Vulpera
8. Multiple varieties of dwarves and elves rather than a genuinely different and already implemented original race such as ogres or naga... (I still can't understand why they didn't think it's be insanely profitable to go with what's original than create bizarre and cringe new races.)
I'm sure you all know the list will just keep going and going and going. You all feel this way but sadly a lot of people sugarcoat it and desperately pretend it's fun. It really isn't. It's just an addiction and a lifestyle you can't get away from.
Grow up, unsubscribe and do what is right. Make them give up on retail and start fresh.
Community is 100% what made MMORPGs the powerhouse they were, but people today will make every excuse in the book now to NOT make the changes necessary to bring it back. That sense of community is what keeps the pserver scene alive though, because by their nature they're community focused.
cope
i dont, good riddance