So many people compare these things to TT Lambos making over 3000hp on the factory block but seem to ignore the fact that it's a small v6 against a larger v10. What they do with these VR38s are mind bending especially when you think when the car came out it was supposed to be untunable lol
the 3000hp lambos and r8's dont use factory block they are either using the underground racing long block with the 5.7 stroker crank or the shop they came from is likely machining a new block out of billet. my understanding is any of the r8s and huracans pushing past the 2000whp barrier are using this long motor. also keep in mind the Lp series gallardo uses a different motor entiely to the pre lp series which uses a 5L block, i dont believe any of the big shops have built a 5L past 2200whp. also remember a 2000whp r35 is likely pushing 60+ psi a 5.2 huracan or r8 making north of 2000whp would be lucky to push 30psi of boost. i agree with you though mind bending that the little 3.8, all be it stroked out, can hit the same amount of power and often run a quicker 1/4 mile time than these big v10s.
@@Bigwjack64gb They have pushed the factory block well past 2000whp. That red Drag965 Huracan ran 242 in a half mile, pushing the stock block over 10k rpm. They do have X version pre LP cars like Moe's, they sound so much better imo, that thing is making north of 2000whp. Could they run 60+psi? I don't see why not, but that's unusable power. They're already blowing the tires off through the traps at 260mph. For the Lambos it's a traction game, not really a power game. Now all those X2-3 cars I'm sure are on proline racing billet blocks. You're right I don't think they're pushing that on stock blocks but iirc Kevin 2500whp is plenty doable on with a stock block.
That’s what I’ve always said to myself! These small engines compared to big v10s make the same power but it’s a smaller engine the GTR needs 6 cylinders and the lambos/R8s need 10
It’s not just the vr38 or the power, it’s just the perfect combination of how the car is, the platform is insane. The TT lambos are still better but their all the best for roll racing. The viper too
10 years span of R&D has allowed performance shops to develop the VR38 performance parts. So now we see turbo kits and fuel system for the VR38 to produce over 1000bhp without breaking a sweat. Some may disagree with me but i think the VR38DETT is like the Skyline GTR RB engine. Many years back 1000bhp from the RB engine is a feat of engineering. And clocking 320km/h on the highway in a Skyline GTR was ground breaking. Now even a stock block VR38 could go up to 1500+ bhp before it develop cracks. And it never cease to amazed me to see the VR38 engine now pushing way above 3000bhp and still be limited by turbo. Unless we could perfect a way to build boost down low and then in the higher gears allow the bigger turbo to switch over as it spool up and deliver all the torque twisting power to crack 250+ mph or over 400km/h top speed. Maybe next year in 2019 we might see 4000bhp produced the VR engine and maybe even 5000bhp that puts that fake POS Devel Sixteen to its grave.
In strictly numbers it is similar to the RB engine. You are also correct about the limits of the typical twin turbo setup. The high hp GTR guys need to look at diesel power guys if turbos aren't doing enough. Diesel power comes from sequential turbos. I think Comp Turbo makes a 144mm turbo which is probably too big for this engine in a twin turbo configuration.
RB needs much more work to live at 1500 hp. Booth ETS, English Racing, Boostin and Shep himself have said you are basically upgrading the turbos, cams, bolt-ons and running it on E98 or C85 to get those numbers can drive it for two plus years of events without a rebuild. Motive DVD's own R32 started coming apart around 700 hp stock block.
@@dj4monie I have also watch Motive video on the RB block myths. Blew my mind that the RB26 N1 block isnt any better than the stock U05 block and is below the RB30 and RD28 blocks in terms of hardness and bore diameter. RB blocks esp the RB26 are prone to cracking, so to combat it would require re-machining the bore and fixing braces if you want to make big power on the stock block. Or pretty much go billet blocks
Grab your mum/mom/mamá/μαμά/parental unit an HPA t-shirt for Christmas. She'll love it, honest! If you're lucky she'll even stick it to the fridge 😎- shop.hpacademy.com/ - Taz.
I'm curious to find out if anyone knows the metallurgy of the rotating assembly of the VR30DDTT? I can't seem to find any info on the makeup of the internals.
Some people don't understand the difference between the front and back of a camera and walk on the wrong side of it, so they were just waiting for them to pass (there are only so many times you can stop filming and restart to cut them out!) - Taz.
Some dude walked right in front of the frame and they were in disbelief I think lol. To be fair it looked like a kid, but you'd think it would be clear to the people are there that they're making an interview
Hahaha! I thought it was a great pair of tits or big booty was going to pass by... but it was a kid... and English looks like he wanted to reach out and give him a nice back hand! But then had second thoughts of being on camera = awkward pause!
@@J4CK4LFUL LOL totally was man and it's funny when you rewind it... But in all honesty I don't blame anyone of this magnitude if they weren't so willing to give up secrets on something he's poured his entire heart into. I think that's some awkwardness there.
@@dennismelville7532 Only your immature mind would think that. Look men need to be serious when intelligent talk is happening. I mean girl drives a car to single digit time slip and all you can think about is how she looks or you would "hit it" This drives me up the wall about the car community and it doesn't likely help when you have chicks at auto shows, grid girls in Formula 1 and the rest o fit. Just men being men I suppose but your post really takes the cake, it just HAD to be a woman that caused them to pause not some grown ass man being rude in general?
People get more and more relaxed the more often we talk to them. Even if you look at Andres earlier videos he is nowhere near as relaxed as he is now on camera, just takes time. The best thing is that knowledgeable people like this are willing to step outside their comfort zone and share some of their experience - Taz.
It's interesting that he says that more boost is safer than more compression at that level. One thing I was wondering about is stroking vs standard stroke but chasing more revs, surely you'd get more revs on standard stroke, but would that make more power. Or is it more like you go 10% bigger capacity with stroking, but only lose say 7% of the revs, so you get extra power at maximum rpm.
If your running very a large turbo/s the latency or lag increases and the efficiency of the turbo is pushed into a higher rpm range which you need to access by revving the engine higher. Higher capacity allows more air to enter earlier and reduces lag along with the strength advantages that come with a billet crankshaft. You can aslo hit a point where your turbo has maxed out and revving higher is only putting additional stress on the engine and not yielding any significant gains. Another factor is Rod to Stroke ratio, V38's are very well designed with 1.86:1 ..and even after pushing them to 4L+ cylinder filling is still in a very desirable range. There is no trade off with these engines, you can stroke it to 4.1L and still rev it too the moon if you have a giant turbo that is making significant gains above 8500rpm.
@@zyou8er It comes down to what you want out of the engine and how much money your willing to spend. If you want all out durability at the 1000whp range a billet crank is stronger, will make more torque low down and brings in the boost earlier. With that said I'm sure its possible to make the same power on a stock crank and go just as fast in a straight line. Horsepower is just a number, I have the most fun in cars around 300-600whp, R35's are too serious and expensive for your average Joe to play with.
@@camarosaregay7943 1. No 6 sec Lambos exist yet. 2. Some are, some aren't. Go check the builds, there's plenty of them detailed on CZcams on channels like TRC.
@@camarosaregay7943 Each has their advantages and disadvantages. Also, what you're setting the car up for (ie. 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile drag, or 1/2 mile top speed runs) is very important too. Cost, development, all that factors in. 👍
Too much (static compression) ratio even on a very low Compression ratio example 9:1or less you'll have a static compression at least in the 21:1 /some where in this range or more
Am I the only one who gets bothered by that butcher job of a cut through the bumper plastic in front of where the turbo sits? Lol.. Much respect to Mr. English and these amazing racecars though.
Nope... you are the only one! LoL.. but I've come to learn that digital camera's & pics do some cars justice then when you see them in person. And some beauty queens... look real ugly and dirty in person! Sometimes you can't believe that the car was just the cover photo of the magazine!!
The reason this car,the t1r car and the ams car have the turbos mounted there is due to thermal management reasons according to Tony Palo. If a veyron makes 3000hp of heat at 1k hp you can do the math on this car. Even AMS resisted it as long as they could before mounting the turbos in the same location. Definitely not pretty or ideal for FOD but a requirement none the less
He learns by trial and error, so there is no major upfront development. More of them just pushing each part to the limit, redesigning, then turning it up. Seems like.
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So many people compare these things to TT Lambos making over 3000hp on the factory block but seem to ignore the fact that it's a small v6 against a larger v10. What they do with these VR38s are mind bending especially when you think when the car came out it was supposed to be untunable lol
the 3000hp lambos and r8's dont use factory block they are either using the underground racing long block with the 5.7 stroker crank or the shop they came from is likely machining a new block out of billet. my understanding is any of the r8s and huracans pushing past the 2000whp barrier are using this long motor. also keep in mind the Lp series gallardo uses a different motor entiely to the pre lp series which uses a 5L block, i dont believe any of the big shops have built a 5L past 2200whp. also remember a 2000whp r35 is likely pushing 60+ psi a 5.2 huracan or r8 making north of 2000whp would be lucky to push 30psi of boost. i agree with you though mind bending that the little 3.8, all be it stroked out, can hit the same amount of power and often run a quicker 1/4 mile time than these big v10s.
@@Bigwjack64gb They have pushed the factory block well past 2000whp. That red Drag965 Huracan ran 242 in a half mile, pushing the stock block over 10k rpm. They do have X version pre LP cars like Moe's, they sound so much better imo, that thing is making north of 2000whp. Could they run 60+psi? I don't see why not, but that's unusable power. They're already blowing the tires off through the traps at 260mph. For the Lambos it's a traction game, not really a power game.
Now all those X2-3 cars I'm sure are on proline racing billet blocks. You're right I don't think they're pushing that on stock blocks but iirc Kevin 2500whp is plenty doable on with a stock block.
@@Bigwjack64gb UG runs proline built engines
That’s what I’ve always said to myself! These small engines compared to big v10s make the same power but it’s a smaller engine the GTR needs 6 cylinders and the lambos/R8s need 10
It’s not just the vr38 or the power, it’s just the perfect combination of how the car is, the platform is insane. The TT lambos are still better but their all the best for roll racing. The viper too
10 years span of R&D has allowed performance shops to develop the VR38 performance parts. So now we see turbo kits and fuel system for the VR38 to produce over 1000bhp without breaking a sweat.
Some may disagree with me but i think the VR38DETT is like the Skyline GTR RB engine. Many years back 1000bhp from the RB engine is a feat of engineering. And clocking 320km/h on the highway in a Skyline GTR was ground breaking.
Now even a stock block VR38 could go up to 1500+ bhp before it develop cracks. And it never cease to amazed me to see the VR38 engine now pushing way above 3000bhp and still be limited by turbo. Unless we could perfect a way to build boost down low and then in the higher gears allow the bigger turbo to switch over as it spool up and deliver all the torque twisting power to crack 250+ mph or over 400km/h top speed.
Maybe next year in 2019 we might see 4000bhp produced the VR engine and maybe even 5000bhp that puts that fake POS Devel Sixteen to its grave.
In strictly numbers it is similar to the RB engine. You are also correct about the limits of the typical twin turbo setup. The high hp GTR guys need to look at diesel power guys if turbos aren't doing enough. Diesel power comes from sequential turbos. I think Comp Turbo makes a 144mm turbo which is probably too big for this engine in a twin turbo configuration.
RB needs much more work to live at 1500 hp. Booth ETS, English Racing, Boostin and Shep himself have said you are basically upgrading the turbos, cams, bolt-ons and running it on E98 or C85 to get those numbers can drive it for two plus years of events without a rebuild. Motive DVD's own R32 started coming apart around 700 hp stock block.
@@dj4monie I have also watch Motive video on the RB block myths. Blew my mind that the RB26 N1 block isnt any better than the stock U05 block and is below the RB30 and RD28 blocks in terms of hardness and bore diameter.
RB blocks esp the RB26 are prone to cracking, so to combat it would require re-machining the bore and fixing braces if you want to make big power on the stock block. Or pretty much go billet blocks
What’s R&D?
He trying to tell you as much as he can without telling you everything lol
Grab your mum/mom/mamá/μαμά/parental unit an HPA t-shirt for Christmas. She'll love it, honest! If you're lucky she'll even stick it to the fridge 😎- shop.hpacademy.com/ - Taz.
Andre, savage with the look 😂😂😂
6;17 Dre looks to the camera with his WTF face lol gold
That feel when you almost don't want to thumbs up every episode, but when its so good, you have no choice but to click the thumbs up, once again.
I appreciate this video, the person getting interviewed cut to the chase
Very knowledgeable and great to interview. We did a podcast with Mr English as well, number 014 - www.hpa-tunedin.com/ - Taz.
Great interview , love to know more on this platform
Richie Kirk great interview lol it’s fucking terrible
I'm curious to find out if anyone knows the metallurgy of the rotating assembly of the VR30DDTT? I can't seem to find any info on the makeup of the internals.
What was going on at 6:13?
Short akward pause ☺
Some people don't understand the difference between the front and back of a camera and walk on the wrong side of it, so they were just waiting for them to pass (there are only so many times you can stop filming and restart to cut them out!) - Taz.
Some dude walked right in front of the frame and they were in disbelief I think lol. To be fair it looked like a kid, but you'd think it would be clear to the people are there that they're making an interview
Hahaha! I thought it was a great pair of tits or big booty was going to pass by... but it was a kid... and English looks like he wanted to reach out and give him a nice back hand! But then had second thoughts of being on camera = awkward pause!
@@J4CK4LFUL LOL totally was man and it's funny when you rewind it... But in all honesty I don't blame anyone of this magnitude if they weren't so willing to give up secrets on something he's poured his entire heart into. I think that's some awkwardness there.
@@dennismelville7532 Only your immature mind would think that. Look men need to be serious when intelligent talk is happening. I mean girl drives a car to single digit time slip and all you can think about is how she looks or you would "hit it" This drives me up the wall about the car community and it doesn't likely help when you have chicks at auto shows, grid girls in Formula 1 and the rest o fit. Just men being men I suppose but your post really takes the cake, it just HAD to be a woman that caused them to pause not some grown ass man being rude in general?
Poor guy doesn't seem very comfortable infront of a camera. Another awesome video though 👍
People get more and more relaxed the more often we talk to them. Even if you look at Andres earlier videos he is nowhere near as relaxed as he is now on camera, just takes time.
The best thing is that knowledgeable people like this are willing to step outside their comfort zone and share some of their experience - Taz.
It's interesting that he says that more boost is safer than more compression at that level. One thing I was wondering about is stroking vs standard stroke but chasing more revs, surely you'd get more revs on standard stroke, but would that make more power. Or is it more like you go 10% bigger capacity with stroking, but only lose say 7% of the revs, so you get extra power at maximum rpm.
I'm thinking the bigger capacity helps put the bigger turbos in a better zone on the compressor map
Yes
If your running very a large turbo/s the latency or lag increases and the efficiency of the turbo is pushed into a higher rpm range which you need to access by revving the engine higher. Higher capacity allows more air to enter earlier and reduces lag along with the strength advantages that come with a billet crankshaft. You can aslo hit a point where your turbo has maxed out and revving higher is only putting additional stress on the engine and not yielding any significant gains. Another factor is Rod to Stroke ratio, V38's are very well designed with 1.86:1 ..and even after pushing them to 4L+ cylinder filling is still in a very desirable range. There is no trade off with these engines, you can stroke it to 4.1L and still rev it too the moon if you have a giant turbo that is making significant gains above 8500rpm.
@@lightmetalinc.6488 So, better to stay with stock stroke and crank of you're wanting 1100 to 1200 rwhp?
@@zyou8er It comes down to what you want out of the engine and how much money your willing to spend. If you want all out durability at the 1000whp range a billet crank is stronger, will make more torque low down and brings in the boost earlier. With that said I'm sure its possible to make the same power on a stock crank and go just as fast in a straight line. Horsepower is just a number, I have the most fun in cars around 300-600whp, R35's are too serious and expensive for your average Joe to play with.
My man came in with the hard questions. LoL 🤣🤣 this was supposed to be 2 hours long
Attention GTR fanboys, your R35 WON'T hit 6s unless it's a billet block, the end.
What about the 6 sec lambos or vipers? Their billet or nah?
@@camarosaregay7943 1. No 6 sec Lambos exist yet.
2. Some are, some aren't. Go check the builds, there's plenty of them detailed on CZcams on channels like TRC.
@@MafiaboysWorld so I’m new to this part of car scene/community, out of the 3 vipers lambos and gtrs which is the best, more dominant platform
@@camarosaregay7943 Each has their advantages and disadvantages. Also, what you're setting the car up for (ie. 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile drag, or 1/2 mile top speed runs) is very important too. Cost, development, all that factors in. 👍
Kimbo did it on a stock block lol 😂
Too much (static compression) ratio even on a very low Compression ratio example 9:1or less you'll have a static compression at least in the 21:1 /some where in this range or more
I want a r35 full drivetrain engine swap a subaru 2.5rs.
You should check out Andy Forrests 2.5rs! It's an EG33 from an svx paired to an r35 trans and rear end all while still being AWD.
where did they put the radiator? at the back?
First you need 20k to drop on just the block
Did you check out the Tony Palo podcast? They've gone up to 2500hp with a stock block - Taz.
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GEEEEE TEEEEE ARRRRRR
Nailed it! - Taz.
Just a small 2500hp upgrade nothing serious.
This guy is hiding something
Am I the only one who gets bothered by that butcher job of a cut through the bumper plastic in front of where the turbo sits? Lol..
Much respect to Mr. English and these amazing racecars though.
Nope... you are the only one! LoL.. but I've come to learn that digital camera's & pics do some cars justice then when you see them in person. And some beauty queens... look real ugly and dirty in person! Sometimes you can't believe that the car was just the cover photo of the magazine!!
The reason this car,the t1r car and the ams car have the turbos mounted there is due to thermal management reasons according to Tony Palo. If a veyron makes 3000hp of heat at 1k hp you can do the math on this car. Even AMS resisted it as long as they could before mounting the turbos in the same location. Definitely not pretty or ideal for FOD but a requirement none the less
No, you are not alone
Can handle 10000 horsepower ????
Not yet, but who knows in the future. 1000HP seemed like an unreachable target at some stage - Taz.
@@hpa101
Pls how much cost this modifications for expemle i want to rise hp my "Mercedes benz CLS 2010" in 2000 hp
Give me an idea
R35 I can handle 1500hp stock
Lamborghini I can handle double that stock
They are also not 6 cylinder engines with this capacity, so you'd really hope an engine twice the size or more performed as such 😂 - Taz.
Seems like he ain’t really got a clue what he’s on about or owns...
Wonder if he just has a lot of money that’s how he’s fast not from knowledge
He learns by trial and error, so there is no major upfront development. More of them just pushing each part to the limit, redesigning, then turning it up. Seems like.