Ultimate JDM Wheel Showdown: Spoon SW388 VS Desmond Regamaster
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- What's up, little Honda bros! It's time to answer a long burning question: which wheels are better for the Civic? I'm going to deep dive the fitment, offsets and tire sizing that will work best for with the Moton suspension setup I'm running.
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All the young kids still going to think they're Rota Slipstreams
Damn, the main goal for my cars is to impress young kids.
Lmao i’ve seen so many buy rock rota’s it’s not even funny. I truly see it as ricer since they’re not original
@@trackshun Some people just need showing the good stuff. I had a set of slips on my first track car as I liked the style and didn't know any better. Now I race on Rays and have a wheel company.
I knoooow it would kill me to spend 800$ a wheel and have someone think its a rota xD
@kevtalbot137 that's weird. Why would you want to do that? What else are you trying to do to them?
Matt is the biggest little honda bro LOL :P
No Honda Pro Jason? Lol
The Spoon wheel with the accompanying lugs and calipers is pretty rock solid. Those and the Mugen MF8’s are some of the original Honda bro dream wheels.
The more EM1 mods I watch you do, the more I realize that I really am a lil Honda bro 100%. Both wheels are iconic.
The spoon wheels are more of a track oriented wheel but definitely suit the car better...
The original SW388 & Regamaster were both made by Desmond in Russia. The new versions are both manufactured by Taneisya in Japan but don’t have any relation to each other, other than that. The new SW388 is commissioned by Spoon and the new Desmond Regamaster name was bought by ICB Motorsports and commissioned by them. That’s why the new SW388 and new EvoII have different designs-they just happen to be made in the same place in Japan.
Chris I’m going to ask because I know you know the answer. What’s the differences between the og Evo and the evo 2? I notice the lips and possibly the spokes are different widths.
@@barnfind124 yes the sizes and offsets offered are different. I don’t know all the various differences though. One of the bigger design differences has to do with the “slots” or valleys on the sides of the spokes. Also now, ICB seems to have released an Evo II “tarmac” model which incorporates the flatter lip that some OG’s had. (The OG had both style lips also but I think which lip you got depended on the diameter or model). But other than minor design changes I’d say the biggest difference is that the EVO II should be a lot stronger than the old ones due to modern manufacturing techniques. All the OG are very old these days and they have a tendency to develop a crack on the inside lip of the barrel.
@@ChrisLumNSX yeah all those points make sense and I agree. The og wheels imo are noticeably better looking I think. The new sw388 are definitely different looking from any view compared to the og sw388s. Appreciate the comment back.
Also to piggy back, the current Evo2 Regamaster are made by Rays in the same press as the TE37.
@@dguerrero115 no the evo2 are made by Taneisya not Rays.
The Spoons look the best by far! The best of all the wheels so far, hands down!
I’m estimating that on a 205 you may only need to run -3 camber in the front with the 7.5 width. Which is the most I would personally go. You also need to remember that most of the little Honda bro’s are removing the front liners because they don’t care. I say DO NOT remove the liner or you’ll have more gravel in the jambs than what you want. Other option is to remold the liners by heating them up and pressing in on the rub areas.
205 ON A 7.5 THE STRETCH WOULD LOOK UNHAPPY HAHAH
ayyy good seeing you here
Spoon is the way to go.
Not new spoons incorrect.
I thought I hated the Spoons when they were on the table but seeing them on the car with the lugs and center caps... I’m in love.
Needs 15' spoons with some thicc sidewalls...
As long as they are 15x7. The 15x6.5 look weak.
3-4 degrees negative in the front is actually perfect for a FWD track setup. Will be less likely to roll onto the sidewall/edge and push the front end through a corner. I like the sw388 wheels on the car. But am still partial to the CE28's.... also a set of Bronze or Formula Silver OG tE37s would look amazing.
SW388 ALL DAY 😈
Spoon/Nissin Brakes
Showa/Spoon Coilovers
Wrapped in Advans'
My vote is for the spoon.
I'm really sure you would like these weds sport tc105n they have a very nice finish and it would show off the spoon calipers very nicely with the spoon spec which is the +30 offset I believe. Thank me later
tc105n look best on the 8th gen si sedan.
Too many spokes to look good on the em1 imo. definitely a more modern look for the later gens
@@gallardo20000 🤢🤮 they look so damn disgusting on a 8th gen, I just spend 20 mins looking for a ek with these wheels on Google and I can't even find on to share a link to. virtually on every other car I see no more they like good, sedans, coupes, vans, hatches, but the 8th gen in the first place looks ugly. Unless it has the HPD body kit then it's okay looking.
@@kouki_integra lol 8th gen is the best generation Si ever made, aside from the Em1. Get your facts straight. The 2008 Mugen Si is just fantastic and a relic if you can find one these days only 1000 ever made. You can't find a pic of an ek with wedsport cause they're not even designed for that chassis lol, tc105 are a modern wheel for modern chassis like FRS, s2000 etc. Tell me this 8th gen looks bad... drive.google.com/file/d/1jU1M0HGoL8NK1Uy73D0oi8AZZaW6gxPg/view?usp=sharing
@@gallardo20000 you get your facts straight look it up, I just sent you the link so you can see for yourself they make these wheels in the wheel pattern and spec's that he wants to run. And I'm not going to argue with you about an ugly ass 8th gen civic. I think there ugly.. that's my opinion, period.
I've always like the regamasters because they don't have the extra holes between the lug holes.
That makes the regas much cleaner
The spoon wheels are regamasters, so I would paint the cleaner regas he has, slap that spoon center cap on them, and call them my spoon wheels 👍
@@da_jeezuss8922 smh lol
Weight reduction my man
Regamasters!!
Spoon hood, Spoon mirrors, Spoon brakes, gotta have Spoon wheels. Anything else just doesn't belong lol. That being said, I remember building my Si in NFSUG2 exactly like this (but with the Rota Slipstreams) when I was like 12 lol
I'm so glad there's more Honda content again. I love seeing all these great parts on such a perfect car
Basest Em1 on planet earth!! I love all the tweaking & figuring out, I need a “Honda Bro” limited T-shirt
Spoon made the SW388s in collaboration with Desmond which had HQ in Russia. They make forged wheels. Desmond Regamaster (Evo) are a more show-y edition of the SW388 being that the Spoon versions have a specific finish for racing lacking even the slightest ounce or gram of weight that is spent on coating. Newer ones have a fold on the end of the spokes into the wheel's barrel like you pointed out in the video. Desmond Regamaster has been under the production of Monster Sport now and are not currently in production for a while.
I like the spoons
Of these two, if you can make ‘em fit, I like the look is the Spoon better.
I believe Desmond made regamaster and the spoon wheels. It's basically the same wheels with different finish. They were made in Russia back then the new Regamaster Evo II is made in Japan.
Desmond indeed made the Spoon wheels back in the day.
Damn! That's one bad-ass Honda Civic SI
Go with a CCW classic, gunmetal with a polished lip, 16x7!
Ive always had a passion for cars and i just recently started working at honda in my spare time i love watching CZcams videos of cars. I subscribed almost immediately when i saw this, this is literally the most beautiful civic ever looks like i have a bunch of content to catch up on!!!
Like the spoon wheel set up more
As a little honda bro I'm digging these videos
I say the spoon setup 🤙
Always loved the shape of 16” Regas over the Spoon wheels. The smoother lip of the Regas look so much better! But I really love the Mugen MF-10’s in 16” bronze over both the others.
I have 16" Desmond Ragamasters sprayed matt black on my turbo, JDM ITR - they honestly look great on the car.
Man your shop and that car… gotta be one of the most beautiful set ups I’ve ever seen…
I’d pay too dollar to work in a shop like that!
Just found your channel and subscribed!
From one very long time Honda guy to another… I’m blown away!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I'm running the new Spoon rims now and they're awesome.
Spoon calipers with SW388 is stepping into Big Honda bro territory
Matt is the thinking man’s Honda bro
I’m going to sound real old but I had 15” Spoon wheels on my EM1 Civic Si back in 2000. They’re definitely an acquired taste after watching hours of Spoon race cars lapping tracks and setting records. It is a race wheel and they worked great on track. I had a street set I’d swap to when I wasn’t on track. I didn’t like the look enough to justify the cost and eventually sold the wheels.
Brings back memories. In 1999 I owned a red 99 Si with white spoon wheels I think and a dunk exhaust. It was stolen while I was working. That was the end of my civic experience lol.
CE28s are end game for this car
I Will put 15inch SW388 3.88kg with 195/55/15 ADVAN A050 with 90s aggressive track day setup ! 😍
WHY IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN SPOON?! I'm sorry...I yelled. I will see myself out.
Because Spoon doesn't make TE37s.
@@MX304 I won't disagree with you lol! But between these 2 it's Spoon all day long.
The finish on the Regamaster's look great with the Civic, the Spoon flat black just doesn't look right. I vote for the Rega's!
White Regas or Mag Blue Volks would be dynamite IMO
Toby knows his Honda stuff
It’s unfortunate the finish on the spoons are temperamental, but either wheel looks really nice. I’d personally choose the Spoon of the two to match the brakes. Can’t lose with any of the chosen wheels though aside from fitment. All great wheel choices!
I wish Mugen CF-48 were still for sale new. Full black, 15" +38 offset, with aero disks. Old school Honda! 🔰
Big Honda Bro here ,
Love the spoons 👌🏼Classic.
But when I win this car I’ll prob have TE37s on one side and Spoons on the other.
#ihopeiwin #please #dreamcometrue #lifeiscomplete #detailislife #hondalife
My heart skipped a beat when the SW388s went on. 😍
205/45/16 on the spoon should work perfect!
Inb4 Honda Bro’s tshirt. The decals make a big difference and will make the wheels more interesting once installed. I refinished Kosei k1 recently and installing the factory decals was a nice touch of detail.
I have 15x7 +38 205/50/15 RE71R on my ITR. No roll and camber -2.2 /-1.8 Mild 35mm drop (from already lower ITR height) and they just fit. Keep in mind RE71R run wide. I think you can fit the Spoon 16x7.5 and 205 and the negative camber won’t be very noticeable. Spoon theme.
I think white Regas are the perfect wheels for 6th gens. Love the new gunmetal finish, but not on EBP :/ but I do love the all-Spoon-everything look!
Spoons. I had black 99 Si which I put a Rev Hard turbo kit on for the 2000 Nopi car show. I was the only Si with a turbo that year.
Need a 205 or 195 tires on the Spoon wheels. I ran 195/40/16 on BBS RS 16x7.5 wheels (on a VW) and they fit great with very little stretch. Some tires look better stretched than others. Depends on the sidewall profile of the tire and if it has a rim protector or not. If you don't like the finish on the Spoon wheels get them blasted and powdercoated in any color you desire!
SW388 is the way to go on this immaculate EM1. It transforms the car
Spoons look the best and with the brakes too. Looks smooth, I feel like I’m playing GT2 haha
And those lug nuts …….. I’m 36. So this car screams nostalgia for me. I’m from a time where spinners were a thing. Even the hub cap ones that only 1 of 3 spun. Black hoods from the junkyard or another persons car instead of carbon fiber. Wrx owners with a Sti trunk and wing. But they would never transfer the trunk dampers. So the trunk would fly open like a rubber band snapping. Vw’s with Home Depot rubber lips. And 1 wiper conversion. Sentra SE-R’s being sentras and losing all the time. Tip troncic cars were slower then the manual cars. ……. I can go on and on. Lol. Good Times.
Spoon wheels yes sir sweet build i need to find me another integra i miss that car
Matt it is almighty grey heard it called on the Regas. Should of done white with stickers to pull the red emblems out on the si! and yes Spoon I believe was a specific build by Desmond.
I have a set of 16x7 Regas on my 2000 Integra Type R.
Just a little tip the rt660 are slightly wider then the RE71r on the same size
Yes, Desmond was the original producer of the spoon 388 wheel
Matt always with the cleanest builds. So jealous.
Whassup all little Honda bros
They can actually help your driving on the corners and it’s made for racing, not going to a club and parking up at the club for showoff time
Those wheels are iconic, they look amazing on stock Honda's
Go with the volk t37 15×6.5 with a 35 offset
Class is in session...
That blue looks so good with the HQ lighting.
OG SW388 and Regamaster Evo were made by Desmond in Russia. The reproduce (SW388 and Evo II) are now made by Taneisya Wheel Supply in Japan
NEEDS CARBON MIRRORS and the black Spoons and that would be the perfect look in my opinion
But the regas look AMAZING on the Civic
Holy shit the spoon's look daanggg good in that spec i would raise the car a little because overtime te suspension wil get a little lower but man i would leave as is!
Well he does have a 12k suspension lol so he's prob good
Suspension will get lower over time?!? What you smoking? The only way that thing will get lower is if he forget to tighten down them collars smh
@@JG-nw3ub 🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤡
Joaquin Gaviola it happens when you lower the ride height without loosening and retorquing bushing bolts with the suspension loaded.
If I had to choose, the same offsets, I pick both. Spoon on the right and Regamaster on the left. 😏
What I have on my Civic SI, are 195/50 R15 with same style and finish wheel as the Spoon. Also best way to explain that type of finish on the Spoon wheels, its like a new chalkboard.
The Spoon fitment is fucking perfect.
What time does swim wheels are made for racing not for sure. Off in storage. They also make ones that are not universal cut like yours.
I vote the sw388’s as well, fits the theme of the build
As in either wheel works since the regamaster is so close to original spoon wheel design
I had both on my 99 Civic. 15” Black Spoons and 16” Almighty Gray Regas.
No question Matt - Spoon wheels
So I've paused 30 secs in to this vid, straight away I would pick the Regamaster purely by it's centre design around the bolt holes, the Spoon's look like cheap multi-fit wheels (I understand they aren't). Likewise the matt Black is a poor choice of colour on any car that is a 'looker'. Personally I'd opt for a silver wheel, so you can actually see them on the car & appreciate the intricacies of the design. Love the series & the car so far. EBP EM1 has a special place in my heart.
Spoon and Desmond collab'd together to make these wheels,only made for 3 years,and I think they were the lightest wheels around.atill hard to believe that Desmond is a Russian company,yet the wheels are JDM only.
My vote has to go with The SW388s, you don’t get more JDM and period correct. Plus the awesome calipers and the center caps. Fantastic! I had an electron blue Si back in the day and I had bronze Volk CE28s and I thought that was the best wheel and now I’m kinda wishing I had gone with the Spoon wheels
The Regamasters are a nice wheel, but the Spoon SW388s? Well, they’re Spoon SW388s. They’re like the holy grail of Honda wheels.
I knew I always wanted them I also knew I wouldn't like either one on the car. story of my life.
The only reason why it looks terrible from different angles because you don’t have mudflaps you need OEM mudflaps for this car enhances, and brings out the look of the body, and also Amber sidemarkers on the fenders the USDM look with the mirrors and the em1 coupe si fenders go with the OEM foldable mirrors and OEMAmber side markermarkers
The rear upper control arm is or becomes the camber arm when you have a adjustable one, the toe arm is to the front on the trailing arm.
Neither wheels, dark wheels dont work well on the blue car in my opinion. Need a lighter gray or silver wheel. Fyi I am sure you noticed, front driverside on an EM1 stock has a larger spring, so it will sit crooked if you dont adjust for that.
Spoon wheels for sure with 205’s or the 215’s made to work with suspension adjustments and roll the rear quarters a bit more.
I love both sets. The Spoon wheels are the clear winner for me. Please include them when I win the car.
Looks more like 2-3 degrees of camber to me but let's call it 40. And a little camber Looks good on any car in my opinion.
This car deserves more. Some nr10r with the teal center cap would be perfect. Out of the two however def sw.
Cant stop 🤣 Honda bros. Put that on a OG shirt.
I'm going spoon. The look with the lugs and center cap is classic.
Matt, I’m sure you get a lot of hate from all the money you spend on this Car. And while people might say that the same money can be spent on better wheels, I think there is something special in even placing such iconic wheels on the car.
I’ve never been a Honda fanboy, I’ll be the first to say that I think it’s pretty awesome that your doing this for the community (even though it’s for yourself), Kind of living peoples younger dreams and fantasy’s by will haha.
The series will go down as a comprehensive database for upgrades all the civic boys for the rest of CZcams’s future - something that’s never been done before. I think that’s pretty cool in itself.
You can probably promote the giveaway more in the beginning to maximise profits - I’m sure the loyal subs won’t mind.
Keep up the killer work Matty. We appreciate the process.
Love em both. Sick wheels.
Can never go wrong with the JDM SPOON WHEELS
I like this style wheels the best, for the first time the rear doesn't look ugly. The offset should be a tad lower perhaps +33 rather than +38.
When you have to eat ramen soup to afford just a set of real rims lol and Matt just gets all the rims you want just to see what he would like. Hopefully one day I’ll be able to.
I know I have seen this car and what the purchase price was from another video. And when I heard the total spent on this car all together. And my immediate reaction was. “ good deal “. You can’t find these things. Let alone in a “ decent “ condition. Especially a si. I really hope this is the right car I’m thinking of.
Regamasters for me. There’s just something about the way they looked with those lug nuts. I’m curious to see them once the tires are switched and you apply the stickers. That may make or break the look due to the red which to that I would say maybe red calipers but I’m not sure.
Look awesome! But noooo red wheel pinstrips decals. 😝
Wanted the regamaster for my eg. But decided to go with the spoons instead!! Only way togo!!
The spoon setup becuz you get more respect with the bigger sidewall/camber look haha. Its just makes the car look that much harder.