Ashfall: The Worst MMO Reveal I've EVER Seen
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2022
- Ashfall was announced at this years Tokyo Game Show, while the idea showed promise, things quickly devolved. Go to buyraycon.com/force for 15% off your order! Thanks to Raycon for sponsoring todays video!
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Tried Fractured Online yet Force? :) I'm having a blast, thanks again for another insightful video!
Hey can you check out a game in development called Mandragora. It's being made by an independent company and I was curious about what your thoughts on it would be
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The whole "Presented by..." thing is probably a convenient loophole that companies as big as IGN can take advantage of. It's not IGN presenting an ad to their viewers like you or I would. Instead, I bet they sell slots on their channel much like network TV sold commercial slots, and the developers actually "present" their games on IGN's larger platform.
This was my thinking as well. Either they're selling space on their channel directly, or maybe through a more convoluted system similar to naming a stadium/event after a company who "donates" a large sum of money for the right.
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This is exactly what is going on, it helps them distance themselves from whatever product they are sponsoring.
IGN is the worldstar for gaming industry
Lets not forget their "reviews"...
When you spend all your budget on the soundtrack....
And i have a feeling they didn't actually get Hanz Zimmer. Maybe they bought/even stole the use of his muisc and just said they hired him to compose it lol
@@whitehuayra Maybe not like that but what happens is that Hans has a whole company of music composers working for him. His name gets thrown around a lot but a lot of the times it's just his name on the poster and the music is actually composed by someone working under his wings.
@@dante2804 that makes sense so work can brecontacted out to him, and more than likely someone on his team takes care of tbe composition.
@@whitehuayra feelings are for noobs
@@SoyAntonioGaming Preach Mr.Boy
Out of morbid curiosity I’d love for you to do another deep dive into this game’s monetary system as it will no doubt be suuuper predatory and shocking. Was surprised you didn’t dig up anything on that.
More people will probably do it since diablo immortal and the new torchlite mmo have extreme pay to win and gambling
3:50 that walk back on calling IGN respectable made me laugh out loud
"IGN is a respectable..." AUDIBLE SILENCE
"Presented by" is corpo speak meaning the exact same thing as "Sponsored", literally the same, sometimes worse because it can sometimes actually mean they're being fed direct lines by the company Presenting them. You see it on TV, especially sports, all the time
That's what "Presented by" has always meant, from television to radio and apparently now internet.
I’m 42 and I’ve heard “presented by” here and many other places as a note of sponsorship pretty much my whole life. I thought it was common knowledge. Guess not.
Same. What else would "presented by" mean? lol
In certain countries, games can't go too violen6 (authority won't allow you to launch). So, enemies just go vanished instead of having blood and dead body. In some existing games, enemies wave at you say goodbye (show you their appreciation as you defeat them and save them from doing evil things) when they are "killed".... Well ..
In *what* existing games?
@@ncpolley World of Warcraft has all skulls removed in China and there are gravestones when players die instead of corpses.
@@ncpolley quite a few. there is one highly "referenced" to PUBG.
@@Garoslol In world of warcraft, enemies wave goodbye as you kill them?
That's what I'm asking about. I know there are "PG" censors in some areas, removing blood, etc. I have never heard of anything as tacky and bizarre as waving goodbye when you die.
@@ac9669 Enemies wave goodbye when you kill them in PUBG.
Stealing ideas and IP seems to be a pretty commonplace thing from Chinese companies in particular. Developing ideas and worlds from scratch takes a lot of time and money.
I heard one time from somebody who works in tech in China that Chinese culture doesn't have a concept of intellectual property like we do in the west, so from their perspective you can't steal an idea and they don't understand why people get so angry when they use somebody else's IP or tech or whatever. Companies that have stuff manufactured there leave out the final steps of the process and have that done outside the country, as well as keep all important info offsite and out of the country as well, because they know that if they don't, there will be an exact knockoff being made for half the price at every factory in the city within a week.
@@Khotetsu it's not that Chinese Culture that doesn't have the concept. It's the CCP that promotes IP theft, all so they can "become world's #1 at everything, quicker".
As someone that doesn't like Chinese Culture, they have the concept of IP pretty hands down with the whole centuries of warring themselves.
@@TheRibbonRed Ah, that's the problem with half-remembering something from a Twitter thread - I had remembered it as more of a "why bother reinventing the wheel" situation than "nobody can extradite us for copyright infringement, so go for it!"
Russian game devs like to steal things as well, but it's less the whole concept of the game, and more features within it such as characters and classes. I had always assumed it was because they were out of reach from copyright laws.
@@Khotetsu When a people has spent thousands of years subjugated under one brutal ruler after another, I'm not surprised they don't have a solid concept of ownership.
Cafeteria Supes are bad AF! I've been waiting my entire life to have a shootout with them. Maybe in the next expansion we'll get to fight janitor supervisors or bus drivers. "Housekeeping! You want towels? You want grenade?"
Presented by has been synonymous with sponsored by for some time... same with "brought to you by." I don't know about broadcast rules for stream/youtube to speak to if its "allowed"... but as far as traditional TV and live irl events that phrasing has been used forever.
Hearing IGN and "respectable" in the same sentence scratched the inside of my brain
Why would such prolific composers work on this game? I'm so confused.
zur probably got buttered up because fallout, the others probably got fat checks.
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Ah yes, the most dangerous and challenging enemy one can ever meet in the wasteland... the Cafeteria Supervisor!
it's kinda like a discounted Division imo
Eastern games are hardly ever going to not be mobile at this point their market for them is massive. And the issues you have with UI are a running theme with most Eastern MMOs as well they are often terrible to look at.
Not really, if it's Chinese, almost certainly released on mobile. If it's Korean, 50/50 will be on mobile, but if released on PC will be very grindy. Korean games have a lot of fluff, fanservice, and MTX. If it's Japanese, it will definitely be non-mobile because the Japanese treat mobile games as a different category entirely. Game devs always stick to their platform (e.g. FromSoftware and Nintendo stay non-mobile whereas Cygames stay mobile) unless it's a huge conglomerate like Sony who makes both.
But seriously, if you've been suffering bad cafeteria service, this is totally the game for you.
"so here we have this giant enemy crab"
Whats fascinating is the graphical assets they made are perfectly serviceable. It would take actual talent and vision to fix the gameplay but theoretically it can be done.
Here in Norway we use "presented by" for all sponsorships on TV shows etc.
Haven't seen it used anywhere else though.
"Presented by" is marketspeak for "Sponsored by"
Mobile gaming is here to stay. I will however say that still isn't an excuse for bad gameplay or terrible visuals.
Genshin Impact is incredibly successful, looks great and plays really well on all platforms.
Diablo Immortal is a nice looking game and plays really well. It just has disgusting monetisation.
sometimes I like to belive that some games are money laundery
That's not a conspiracy theory.
There *is* money laundering in this industry.
The thing I noticed right away was every scene looked like a barely disguised hallway. Really unnerving.
The world is completely shocked that a Chinese company would steal from someone...
This game looks fun imo. I don't care about the copyright stuff. That's their problem. The only thing i do not like is that recoil. OMG. That will give me a headache. If that can be disabled and/or toned down I'll be a go. I did wishlist on Steam. Thanks for the coverage!
That transition to the Raycon ad in the middle was the cleanest thing I've witnessed in a hot minute.
Drew Gooden is a master at it too, possibly the best
Act man's recent destiny 2 mighta just beaten it
My dude Fallout is literally a Wasteland ripoff.
Step 1: Let's mark a dark, Fallout-style MMO
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
If there's one thing fallout is well know to have is flashing, bright colorful numbers popping everywhere on the screen. Not immersion breaking at all.
Yep, feels right to me! (some Chinese dev)
I'm hoping they make some changes related to your legitimate criticisms. I do agree these things are a bit hard to look at, but I could also see them being fixed before release. I also hope they tailor it more to PC with mobile capability instead of the other way around. Great review!
You're asking for something I don't believe could ever exist. If it's truly made as a PC experience, it will never be "maybe we could squeeze this on mobile". Anything slated to release on mobile/PC specifically will always be to dip their toes into the PC market with their mobile formatted monetization structure. It's like pushing a game to take advantage of new gen hardware, but trying to make it playable on previous gen, the end product will always be lesser than it's potential if they are releasing on lesser hardware, just simple maths.
When you said the name of the game, I for some reason was brought back to memories of Firefall, but I couldn't remember the name. I guessed that it was Redfall, but I was getting the developer Red 5 studios mixed with the game name. Turns out Redfall is another game coming out that's left4dead but vampires lol
The first thing I thought when you mentioned the IGN stream was "knowing IGN it's just a sponsored thing"... Now let's see how high their review score will be.
Didn't you know that MMO stands for Mini Multiplayer Online?
Oh it's Netease.... lol the fact that doesn't immediately kill your enthusiasm means you have a lot more soul left than I do.
Dude the Assassin Prototype design looks EXACTLY like Talon from League of Legends when you look up the old/new splash art you cant unsee it 9:59
Hans Zimmer is a joke, the guy sells his name for the marketing clout it provides while actual producers and composers do 99% of the work.
This was a very entertaining video. Interesting analysis. You should do more like this.
That sponsor segway caught me off-guard, you earned a new subscriber.
You should link the article in the info for the video, wonder what the original Ashfall was, and it can be such an effort to find a name for things that them stealing it is pretty triggering.
What shampoo do you use?
Can you update ur opinion after the playstest have been up today?
This looks incredibly video edited… I’m wondering if that UI was added in post, idk I may be wrong.
As opposed to MMO reveals looking incredible and end up completely disappointing after launch? I don't quite care to correlate gameplay reveal with actual gameplay experience and that goes both ways.
"This is clearly a dumpster fire, even by phone game standards" - Yup - Nuff said.
Great video, as always! haha. I had very similar feelings on the initial gameplay. Seems very early..
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That spider at 4:52 straight up looks like they ripped it from Skyrim
All of the issues I've seen so far like the bullet holes, death animations, and screen recoil are all very surface level things that can be very easily addressed at least. I'm sure things might change with feedback. At least there doesn't seem to be any critically bad issues to note that would take huge resources to address.
I like the bullet holes, clearly they're inspired by the old arcade shooter classics like house of the dead and area 51.
you mean other than the game looks horrendously cookie cutter mobile fps? That doesn't strike you as a critically bad issue? You surely aren't seeing a worthwhile PC game here, right?
@@drapples9674 both of those games are in the first-person perspective so the bullet holes make a bit more sense. With a 3rd person perspective they just look ridiculous.
It's a mobile game
@@jessedubs thats some nitpicky horseshit right there.
IGN has some big rules on keeping marketing and the reviewers never influence each other. I have seem IGN articles that were sponsored by "X" and they got a bad review. From what I understand, the reviewers dont even know they are working on a sponsored pice. Or if they do, they do know who the spencer is.
Has anything shackled PC gaming like the rise of mobile gaming? What a curse.
3:49 They had us in the first half not gonna lie lol.
But yeah wow, just the exaggerated font for the damage numbers turned me off instantly for this game. That just looks....bad. Seems like they took alot of the negative oldschool tropes of third person stat-based shooters and shoved them into this one.
And yeah you can argue Fallout can't monopolize vaults preserving mankind from an apocalypse, but those icons are clearly "inspired" by that game to an absolute extreme. Come on - they could've made a bigger spin on the vault boy icons than just making him look kinda sorta Eastern.
Frankly sounds like both games are gonna either bite the dust within a year or the blockchain one will get enough suckers to stay for awhile until someone hacks them and takes all their money. Either way, big L for both games.
Even the end goal is completely taken from Fallout, specifically the second game. Finding a "Core of Creation" seems suspiciously inspired by the Chosen One's search for the Garden of Eden Creation Kit (GECK).
Notification Gang, Always loved your videos Force, been a fan for an extremely long time and appreciate the time you take to give us an in-depth opinion and view into upcoming games
The only good thing to come out of Eastern game development is concept art. Everything else is F-tier.
I wonder if your looking into Undecember?
and yeah I seen this trailer and right when I saw the massive bullet hole on screen, I tough that alone was bad and closed the trailer lol
7:02 that has got to be the smoothest segue to a sponsor I've ever seen. 🤣 Just perfect! ♥️
IGN is not a reviewer site, its a commercial advertising site for gaming companies.
Just like In TV, when someone said "presented by" mean that company is paying as a sponsors.
I see mobile and I'm out. Predatory monetization is a given
ngl the whole emerging from the vault thing isn't really unique to Fallout. I mean if the world gets nuked... I hope you got a vault to hide in.
Did I see a giant enemy crab????
Hey does anyone know the headset he's using?
Liberty Prime is not going to be happy at all 😬
So this is an MORPG. I wish the term would establish itself.
I've said it for years, the one aspect that post-apocalyptic RPG's has been missing is a tango with the dreaded cafeteria supervisor. Nice to see them finally get their day in the sun.
unless i can have an all female slave harem ,i just don't care , honestly it looks like a graphically enhanced fallout 76
In their defense, I've gotten to shoot weapons that are similar to what they've shown in-game and there's a reason they put stocks on these things in real life, what they show on screen is actually kind of what it feels like to shoot something automatic without a stock.
On the sponsorship thing, I don't know the nuances of the law specifically, but I can see a... "respectable" outfit like IGN 'selling' access to their talent and then 'hosting' the resulting video like they do trailers. Officially IGN didn't make the video, they contracted out the actors (That's what I'm going to call the Jurnos from IGN and you'll have a hell of a time proving otherwise), the involved crew, and the editors but it was Legendary Star Studio that oversaw and directed the whole thing, even if it was just a single order of "Make us video" and a dude occasionally watching in from a webcam. Hosting the resulting video doesn't TECHNICALLY meet the requirements of a sponsored video and could just be seen as a glorified teaser, of which hundreds of channels on here CZcams do all the time, the exclusivity thing MIGHT however make it a violation. Most of this is a moot point since the laws involved with sponsorship declaration only directly apply to TV broadcast stations, so CZcams are the ultimate determiners of whether it's appropriate on this platform, and we know how likely THEY are to side with consumers.
I agree. It looks like a more dated The Division. Issue I see is the realistic graphics engine yet they are using cartoon style damage counters and warning counters. It really does have a good premise...the other side of the world in fallout isn't really shown and you could tackle this your own way outside of Bethesda and it does sound like a cool idea
If you want to protect yourself in the future then repeat after me: "ALLEGEDLY stealing the name"
So devious and predatory. Three words would quash my interest immediately; Chinese mobile game.
Are there any games that are produced on and for the PC, designed to take full advantage of the video cards/memory/cpu combos that are available nowadays? I just upgraded my system to a i9/3080Ti/32GB memory. Was there a point to any of it? There used to be but now that games are almost exclusively for mobile and console gaming. I don't see any reason to really spend money on high tech systems anymore.
Afraid to see him shoot a RPG, it'd probably launch his ass back to title screen.
Those damage numbers got me turned off quicker than a teenage girl's battery powered "personal toy" when the parents knock on the door
As soon as he said sponsored I thought, wait did the game sponsor him to try it out and he thought it was the worst ever 😄
Oooohhhh Pop-Tarts made Halo Infinite?!
That explains everything.
Closed beta starts tomorrow. Now I'm seeing why they changed it from applying to just first come first serve, probably couldn't get many volunteers.
The Chinese stole someone else's IP?! NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!
I hate when a bad guy has a cloth hood and yet takes 500 bullets in the face and lives. Like, give me a reason to understand why enemies are bullet sponges. Maybe their entire health bar should instead be a shield you are chipping down and then the last 100 life are the actual face meat behind that shield. No, I don't want a reality game where 1-2 bullets takes down every enemy, but give me a reason to suspend my disbelief.
Nobody withstands the Cafeteria Supervisor!
No style points for “crayfish commander” enemy?
Even for a mobile game this looks horrendous
Wait till you find out theres no actual open world and the "Traveling" is like Wasteland with nodes to explore. Each zone has nothing in it.
It really doesn't look that bad, just a small studio. Lol
Feels like a 2000s game not 2020, but simple means everything works on old phones.
Force what do you think about New Worlds upcoming Expansion
Are there any eastern mmos / multiplayer games that are not predatory or a cash grab? Genuine question as I am more of a single player gamer myself and the mmos I have tried are from western team ( eso, gw2 )
Damn, as a Genshin Impact player (hold on hear me out) lots of this stuff applies exactly to Genshin especially the gameplay being basic (I'll fight anyone who think it's complex and flexible lol) and having an epic OST from epic composers.... but that thing made billions for some reason. Maybe they (and of course any new mobile game company) thought to just copy Genshin's fundamentals and think they'll make bank.
10:57 peak gameplay, the tester had to take a moment to decide if it was better to just give up
Well the beta is on starting from today. Really looking further to hear your take on.
This makes me want to play *_Kenshi_* once again. It is not MMO but the idea of Post-Apocalyptic Eastern setting was there and the music is also nostalgic.
About IGN, well they _used_ to be respectable years ago.
I disagree with your sentiment at around 9:48
The design of Fallout's vault boy is almost the exact same as the Monopoly man. I see no problem with Ashfall designing legally-distinct versions of vault boy, as it seems to be genuine inspiration, not laziness or malice.
It's a netease game. For the record, any serious gamer in China would tell you to not touch any games backed by Netease. This is likely a P2W mobile game. Netease is publishing a more raw version in the International market and then porting it back to China in a more censored version and using the International market release as a promotional tactic to make a ton of money from Chinese casual gamers who don't really know how to appreciate gaming.
That does sound like the Chinese... They have pretty loose copyright or patent laws over there and most of the products they put out are just reverse engineered cheap knockoffs.
Only thing massive about this game is that it is a massive fail.
in part of the footage, theres not even a crosshair lol
My biggest gripe is that for a shooter, everything enemy and their mom is a bullet sponge, I get it for bosses/important enemies/npcs, but even bandits and goons? what are we shooting? paperclips? ffs
I see they took advise from umbrella corps on how to hold guns next to the head. Lol
"presented by" means paid to shill the product, i believe its a one time deal, whereas sponsorships are usually over the length of an agreement, typically months or years
Do you have to say if something is sponsored?
Nope! The FTC is only concerned about endorsements that are made on behalf of a sponsoring advertiser. If you have no business relationship with the product or brand that you're promoting, you don't have to disclose
Can we get a moratorium on all videos games named (any word)+fall? Not only are there a ridiculous number of them, but they are almost always bad. Godfall, Greedfall, Spiderfall, Dogfall, Catfall, Spicycrunchfall!!
Don't get me started with War or Battle in the name..
These days MMO mostly stands for Mobile Multiplayer Online
nothings worse than finding out an interesting looking upcoming pc game is actually just a forever held back mobile port