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  • We talk about how the Empire stopped being evil in Star Wars Legends on today's Star Wars Lore video!
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  • @titanjakob1056
    @titanjakob1056 Pƙed 3 lety +495

    I miss the old legends empire where they redeemed themselves and became a pseudo republic

  • @PhoenixT70
    @PhoenixT70 Pƙed 3 lety +72

    Another good mark for Pellaeon: he loved clones. _Loved_ them. During the Clone War, Pellaeon commanded the RAS _Leveler,_ and can be quoted on a number of occasions complaining about the uselessness of nonclone crewmen, even wishing for the old days where a commander "could throw a useless minion out the airlock." When a number of clone crewmen were killed at the Battle of JanFathal, he elected to find fellow troopers they had been close with to extend his condolences in the same vein of sending a next-of-kin letter. Top man, Pellaeon.

    • @flyingplatypus7272
      @flyingplatypus7272 Pƙed rokem +5

      All in all, seems like quite the sailors admiral

    • @storba3860
      @storba3860 Pƙed rokem +1

      "We're just clones sir. We're meant to be expendable."
      "Not to me."

    • @jenniferpomotov8329
      @jenniferpomotov8329 Pƙed 27 dny +1

      Pellaeon was amazing, the greatest imperial of all time in my opinion

  • @shelkton.7991
    @shelkton.7991 Pƙed 3 lety +648

    Honestly, the sequels should have done something with the legends warlord empire's. The first order just feels like empire 2.0 but without the cool admiral's and legend content.

    • @user-gb5nj2pd7d
      @user-gb5nj2pd7d Pƙed 3 lety +55

      I agree. I love the books and the sequels suck.

    • @ryankwong2941
      @ryankwong2941 Pƙed 3 lety +15

      With the books the world building and futher expansion of the universe is just has so much potential like aftet they explain the fall of the empire u can go explore the unknown regions that would be cool

    • @PFM719
      @PFM719 Pƙed 3 lety +39

      The Resistance and First Order are just lamer versions of their predecessors. Nothing creative about them whatsoever.

    • @ryankwong2941
      @ryankwong2941 Pƙed 3 lety +8

      @@PFM719 thats true tho i have to say the first order stormtroopers do look cool but thats about

    • @owenparris7490
      @owenparris7490 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      There's still a bit of room for that. Like maybe the NR doing secret black ops to destabilize the remnants. Put in Zsinj and the Pentastar Alignment as remnants after or before Jakku and I'll be cool with it.

  • @mossyproductions7451
    @mossyproductions7451 Pƙed 3 lety +277

    Gilad Pellean was a good leader of the Imperial Remnent

    • @feralprocessor9853
      @feralprocessor9853 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Is there any facts why he was a good leader?

    • @mossyproductions7451
      @mossyproductions7451 Pƙed 3 lety +20

      @@feralprocessor9853 He'd rather "surrender" the Empire and Create the Imperial Remnant than continue fighting when he knew he couldn't win against the New Republic

    • @feralprocessor9853
      @feralprocessor9853 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Yeah thats good one if I was in his position.

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish Pƙed 3 lety +4

      One of my favorite characters.

  • @ItsAVolcano
    @ItsAVolcano Pƙed 3 lety +333

    The Imperial Remnant somehow still feels more impressive than the New Order. Plus it actually addressed the positive aspects of the Empire, and showed how such a government could function with a strong, intelligent and fair leader while also highlighting the flaws in a system that puts so much power in it's central leader.

    • @Charlie0l9
      @Charlie0l9 Pƙed 3 lety +29

      Disney? Promoting authoritanism and making the Empire sympathetic? Not in a thousand years. They must be evil and petty, with childish hobbies such as kicking puppies and stealing candies from children.

    • @starwarsnerd100
      @starwarsnerd100 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      @@Charlie0l9 I mean, there's gotta be a middle ground between "I'm so evil I'm going to eat this kitten, for no reason!" and the "see? these are *nice* fascists!" attitude some Legends stuff had.

    • @BLOrtega
      @BLOrtega Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Under Disney? such things would never happen. It's always "Good guys who loves flowers and protecting people vs Bad guys who likes to rule and destroy people"

    • @starwarsnerd100
      @starwarsnerd100 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@BLOrtega You realize characters like Loki, Thanos, and Killmonger have existed under Disney, right?

    • @BLOrtega
      @BLOrtega Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@starwarsnerd100 Indeed I do, but for Star Wars. It's up for debate

  • @macwelch8599
    @macwelch8599 Pƙed 3 lety +133

    The Galactic Empire with the Imperial Knights was awesome

  • @nathanieleck1023
    @nathanieleck1023 Pƙed 3 lety +236

    To be honest, even directly after Endor, there were certainly some “good” splinter groups, who would focus on humane treatment and establishing an area of space which order and stability in an era when most of the galaxy was in a constant state of war.
    But the real nasty aspects would slowly be annihilated with palleon, and they would never really come back in any major form within the remnant. Also, one could still make the argument that for a very long time, an imperial remnant was more appealing than the new republic, if only because of that stability that was brought within their borders.

    • @Wastydest
      @Wastydest Pƙed 3 lety +4

      I agree for the most part, but I don't think that evil "would never really come back in any major form within the remnant". The Fell Empire is in my opinion more on the evil side, with the undoing of democratic reforms and the collaboration with the Sith.

    • @connorgolden4
      @connorgolden4 Pƙed 3 lety +14

      @@Wastydest The collaborating with the sith was much later and due to pressure from some leaders and not the entire system. Also let’s be honest, democracy doesn’t seem to work well in the Star Wars universe.

    • @Wastydest
      @Wastydest Pƙed 3 lety

      @@connorgolden4 True, but If you talk about "never" it's the same if it happened "much later". And if evil comes from the top of the hirarchy I'd say that is a major way to come back.
      I also think why it came to the collaboration doesn't effect how bad it was.

    • @canisblack
      @canisblack Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@Wastydest One of the really interesting aspects of those comics was the Imperial Knights and the fact that they'd been specifically created as a way to stop the rise of another Palpatine...and just how difficult it ended up being for them to fulfill that particular duty and not for the normal "Evil Empire" reasons. When Emperor Fel, for lack of a better term, fell they took a long time to realize it because they were loyal to the empire, loyal to throne...and actually KNEW Fel as a person and didn't want to believe the worst of him.

    • @Wastydest
      @Wastydest Pƙed 3 lety

      @@canisblack I completely agree.
      So by later realising, that Fell had succumbed to the dark side it is confirmed, that evil did find it's way back to the Empire.

  • @darthderp8066
    @darthderp8066 Pƙed 3 lety +184

    Pelion: we need to start recruiting aliens our human troops are dropping like freaking flies

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin Pƙed 3 lety +50

      Pelion: Also, yiu ever seen a Wookie choke-slam someone through the floor? Stick some white-plate on that!

  • @hunterkiller1440
    @hunterkiller1440 Pƙed 3 lety +498

    The Empire defeated all the giant corporations that bullied small systems...then took their place as the bullies.

    • @waitwhat238
      @waitwhat238 Pƙed 3 lety +45

      There's always a bigger fish

    • @wolfu597
      @wolfu597 Pƙed 3 lety +15

      Power corrupts, absolutt power corrupts absolutely.

    • @coygus4422
      @coygus4422 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      @@wolfu597 Does it really corrupt if Palpatine went into it corrupted?

    • @wolfu597
      @wolfu597 Pƙed 3 lety +14

      @@coygus4422 Well, he pulled the strings from the shadows. He sowed the seed for the Clone war, and gradually shifted the blame for the wars duration on the Jedi's failure and that they were evil and that he was the only one who could correct it all.
      He was a master manipulator, so I think corruption is the wrong term for someone like Palpatine. After all, all he cared about was power.

    • @BoganTheLastard
      @BoganTheLastard Pƙed 3 lety +4

      The Empire, like most fascist states, intensely favored and supported and was supported by corporations and the wealthy business elite

  • @seanohalloran384
    @seanohalloran384 Pƙed 3 lety +79

    Thrawn and The Vong deserve to have films of their own.

    • @Lightscribe225
      @Lightscribe225 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Disney replaced the Vong with the Grysk.

    • @darthknightwingphoenix2081
      @darthknightwingphoenix2081 Pƙed 3 lety +14

      @@Lightscribe225 another example of why they suck.

    • @knightonart8886
      @knightonart8886 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      The sequel trilogy could have started with Thrawn leading the Imperial remnant against the New Republic, while the Vong would be this mysterious looming threat. Close to the end of the second movie they would begin their invasion of the galaxy. And then the third movie would have Thrawn and the Empire team up with the New Republic to fight the Vong.

    • @Lightscribe225
      @Lightscribe225 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@darthknightwingphoenix2081 Judging by what Filoni is doing, he might be trying to make the Grysk the Vong 2.0

    • @darthknightwingphoenix2081
      @darthknightwingphoenix2081 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      @@Lightscribe225 It will never be the same... Legends forever.

  • @darthrevan1281
    @darthrevan1281 Pƙed 3 lety +16

    “I encounter civilians like you all the time. You believe the Empire is continually plotting to do harm. Let me tell you, your view of the Empire is far too dramatic. The Empire is a government. It keeps billions of beings fed and clothed. Day after day, year after year, on thousands of worlds, people live their lives under Imperial rule without seeing a stormtrooper or hearing a TIE fighter scream overhead."
    -Grand Admiral Thrawn

  • @BenHurPalpat
    @BenHurPalpat Pƙed 3 lety +82

    Actually, following a realistic point of view, I have always thought that for most people life was pretty much normal and even perhaps better than in the latter decades of the Republic. The Sith induced troubles/neglect and so on would be gone in the New Order.
    War, rebellion, massacres and so on were far away things for most systems (we are talking about a galaxy-wide government, thousands & thousands of worlds), most people do not care about politics in daily life ( dealt with locally anyway, and there was the token Senate) and corruption and other problems are not imperial per se.
    So in terms of daily life, I guess unless you are unlucky enough to be on the receiving side of Imperial might & wrath, it should be pretty ok. If I was to write some things in the EU/Legends continuity and set in the Imperial Era, I would make the Empire pretty popular among most people. I like when things are more grey in Star Wars.
    Of course, this is only taking into account the facade of the government, the theoritical "new order" under a constitutionnal Emperor.
    The real sith-led magocracy is indeed evil. But save for a few, everybody ignored this.

    • @eidechsentyp1236
      @eidechsentyp1236 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      For the Emperor led monarchy, I think pretty much everyone in the Empire except the Emperor himself knew that the military, the governors and ,even after the senate was disbanded, the senators held all of the power. I think it could be compared to the German Empire in 1916-1918 where the military was holding all of the power and everyone just pretended to listen to the Kaiser.

  • @bighomie8553
    @bighomie8553 Pƙed 3 lety +61

    Pellaeon is one of my favourite Star Wars characters.

  • @finnegandavitt2643
    @finnegandavitt2643 Pƙed 3 lety +430

    The Fel Empire is the Good Empire.

    • @owenparris7490
      @owenparris7490 Pƙed 3 lety +24

      Agreed

    • @Obiwan7100
      @Obiwan7100 Pƙed 3 lety +45

      Legends is good.

    • @JackRendar
      @JackRendar Pƙed 3 lety +6

      THE RENDARIAN EMPIRE.

    • @owenparris7490
      @owenparris7490 Pƙed 3 lety +30

      @@Obiwan7100 Yep. Grew up with that stuff before I got into the new stuff. Old Republic is still special to me.

    • @owenparris7490
      @owenparris7490 Pƙed 3 lety +32

      Imperial knights! Protect your Emperor!

  • @Thomas_Erickson
    @Thomas_Erickson Pƙed 3 lety +10

    Paelleon is easily a top 3 Star Wars character for me. His development over the entire legends series as a whole is probably my favorite of any character.

  • @Pejin8264
    @Pejin8264 Pƙed 3 lety +59

    one word changes everything, legends or canon

  • @AJadedLizard
    @AJadedLizard Pƙed 3 lety +21

    "Daala wasn't very cash money" may be the best thing I've ever heard you say.

    • @iamblight707
      @iamblight707 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Daala kickstarted the whole thing. Before she killed all the warlords, they were wasting entire fleets and super star destroyers on each other. After she killed them, they united and started to make something of themselves.

    • @AJadedLizard
      @AJadedLizard Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@iamblight707 I appreciate Daala for the fact she kickstarted Pellaeon and the end of the war, at least.

    • @480JD
      @480JD Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Not gonna lie, the book art for Daala on the KJA book series was the best part of the books.

  • @Tiejocky
    @Tiejocky Pƙed 3 lety +6

    I was really amazed at how the Empire evolved from the story writings of the late 90s and early 2000s. It is more colorful and refreshing to stop always see the Empire being the enemy. For example, in a later star wars legacy comic, ironically a company of aquatic stormtroopers help rescue Mon Cals from space pirates

  • @GmodPlusWoW
    @GmodPlusWoW Pƙed 3 lety +13

    So basically Pellaeon was sort of like the Otto von Bismarck of the Imperial Remnant?

  • @flaygen123
    @flaygen123 Pƙed 3 lety +20

    "Daala herself was not very cash money." Now that's freaking great stuff there!!! Admiral Thrawn > Admiral Pellaeon > Admiral Daala > the rest

  • @wolfu597
    @wolfu597 Pƙed 3 lety +11

    The sequels should have been based on the very first Thrawn-trilogy by Timothy Zahn.
    If you haven't read that trilogy, I highly recommend you do. The stories use characters from the original trilogy, 5 years after Endor, and the story is the entry point for my favorite imperial character, Grand Admiral Thrawn.

    • @johntracy72
      @johntracy72 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

      That was a good trilogy. In fact, I thought at first that Heir to the Empire was titled Return of the Empire, which was the name of a Star Wars fan fiction I was working on.

  • @RogueFox2185
    @RogueFox2185 Pƙed 3 lety +240

    The Empire from Legends were amazing, TFO has absolutely nothing on them.

    • @r1cosito
      @r1cosito Pƙed 3 lety +17

      It just reminds me thrawn is dead an i just sit there sad.

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish Pƙed 3 lety

      TFO vs Pellaeon or Fel Empire could be a fun crossover though.

  • @imperialistopinions2276
    @imperialistopinions2276 Pƙed 3 lety +98

    This is indeed why the First Order was a absolute catastrophe right from the start for me. They simply took all the worst aspects of the Empire and ramped them up another few notches instead of giving us a Empire that actually tried to embody the ideals that the New Order espoused, those of order, peace, and security

    • @Meravokas
      @Meravokas Pƙed 3 lety +13

      The First Order always just felt like a powerful and fanatical splinter faction that intended to try and further Palpatines old ways and plans. Especially as shown in episode seven they just felt like that with the exception that they had a super weapon of their own. Though I also despise the fact of the New Republic's HEAVY disarmament programs after Jakku. I mean... A bomber without the ability to launch bombs or torpedo's? You've now just made a slow and ineffective fighter that doesn't even have strike craft level heavy laser canons to justify the use of the old, slow Y-wing platform.

    • @d_valroth
      @d_valroth Pƙed 3 lety +5

      @@Meravokas That's exactly what they are. Basically SO fanatical that they ignored Palpatine's self-destruct order (Operation: Cinder) and headed out to the outer rim to upgrade themselves into Empire 2.0. Then things fall apart because JJ and Rian don't know how to keep each other in the loop and apparently nobody was in charge and it all turned into Dark Empire 2.0.

  • @494Farrell
    @494Farrell Pƙed 3 lety +22

    Palpatine may have been evil, but the empire as a whole was as complex as the people that it consisted of.

  • @TheRevanchrist
    @TheRevanchrist Pƙed 3 lety +25

    To me, when I think of a "Good Imp" I think of someone who can sympathies with rebels who's causes were arguably just yet still had a strong belief to the idea that a strong central military government is necessary for security and protection.

    • @dach829
      @dach829 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      What made a terrist organizations actions just?

    • @pepperedash4424
      @pepperedash4424 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@dach829I think Nathan Z means sympathize with the causes of the Rebellion, not their actions.

    • @darthrevan1281
      @darthrevan1281 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      A Good Imp would usually try to reform the Empire’s institutions from within (usually politically through the Senate). When this inevitably fails due to Sheev, they tend to join the Rebels.

    • @naejmarsh1356
      @naejmarsh1356 Pƙed 3 lety

      @mc yes Palleon

  • @MrTeddybear2277
    @MrTeddybear2277 Pƙed 3 lety +6

    I think it's worth to think about wether the "evil" is institutional or that the deeds are committed by individuals (which would reflect badly for the Empire as well)

    • @MrTeddybear2277
      @MrTeddybear2277 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Where the evil deeds ordered by palpatine himself or did a Moff or oother Imperial officer committed atrocities in the name of the Empire? This is something to think about and would answer the question in the video

  • @renamay0846
    @renamay0846 Pƙed 3 lety +4

    the Fel Empire was really freaking cool, its interesting to see a morally gray empire

  • @andrzejhinc6404
    @andrzejhinc6404 Pƙed 3 lety +20

    Fel Empire even established Imperial Mission to help poor, and before all that, Jagged Fel will make it possible for aliens to join stormtrooper cops

    • @WarlordShogun
      @WarlordShogun Pƙed 3 lety +5

      Plus they established the Imperial Knights who in addition to enforcing law and order had the additional mission of eliminating Sith, observing the Emperor for any Sith influence, and eliminating him if necessary.

    • @darthrevan1281
      @darthrevan1281 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@WarlordShogun A duty they absolutely were willing and able to perform.

  • @TheDONing1
    @TheDONing1 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    Post-Palpatine Empire: Oh no, we lost our leader! What do we do?!
    Gilead Pellaeon: Now this looks like a job for me, so everybody, just follow me-

  • @Imdrunkontea
    @Imdrunkontea Pƙed 3 lety +4

    This would have been a far more interesting angle for the sequels to take. An uneasy but otherwise amiable balance of power between NR and Imperial Remnant, as they face challenges that stress their truce but ultimately force them to work together (a la YV, or a splinter group of extremists).

  • @gregomano2220
    @gregomano2220 Pƙed 3 lety +31

    "I have brought peace to my new empire" or something like that
    -spedakin Jedi Knight

  • @Steel-101
    @Steel-101 Pƙed 3 lety +13

    Oh dude! I remember the red armored empire Knights! I read every single legacy comic book before Lucas arts shut down. I wish the sequel trilogy had stuff like this. It was sooooo cool.

  • @schizomonika
    @schizomonika Pƙed 3 lety +11

    It's a shame that the Empire in disney canon disintegrated so quickly to the point it's hard to suspend your disbelief.

  • @Dynoids
    @Dynoids Pƙed 3 lety +2

    I like this kind of storytelling because it feels natural. It makes sense that not all imperial groups were just evil and that when crushing the head of the empire, they didn't all just fall apart. The Empire had control over an ENTIRE galaxy, so remnants that would self govern makes sense especially since they were still significant galactic powers.

  • @LotsOfThoughts
    @LotsOfThoughts Pƙed 3 lety +61

    “Good is a point of view” - Palpatine

    • @senatorluxbonteri6065
      @senatorluxbonteri6065 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      “There is no mercy” - also Palpatine

    • @playerone6995
      @playerone6995 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      "I am the senate"

    • @chaospilot2142
      @chaospilot2142 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      From my point of view the Jedi are evil!

    • @nicolaslecellier6980
      @nicolaslecellier6980 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      @@chaospilot2142 Yes, children abductors, forced celibate and clone army of slave soldiers. What if parents refused to give their "gifted kid" to Jedi? What if clones were unfit/unwilling to fight? Their conditioning wasn't 100% reliable and they are living creatures with a soul.

    • @AWMK101
      @AWMK101 Pƙed 3 lety

      Nicolas Lecellier the story of the fall of the Jedi is about how corrupted good cannot fight evil successfully. It’s pretty poignant at the moment

  • @night_44000
    @night_44000 Pƙed 3 lety +6

    The entire story of Star Wars feels like a game of Stellaris

  • @nuclearguy1652
    @nuclearguy1652 Pƙed 3 lety +8

    I love Thrawn and Pellaeon and wish the former existed in features besides just the Rebels saga, and that the latter existed at all in the new stuff. I think I like Pellaeon more though. While he may lack Thrawn's brilliance or totally cool and largely flawless rationality he was also, in every sense of the word more human. Hah, even if that's a poor choice of words with regard to Star Wars, I do think Pellaeon is at least more sentient (that is with the complexity of being grounded and human) in terms of moral complexity. Thrawn comes across as a bit more of a Vulcan-like being by comparison, and I just find that less relatable. Perhaps that's just part and parcel of the Chiss species though.

    • @jenniferpomotov8329
      @jenniferpomotov8329 Pƙed 27 dny

      Yeah the chiss are really analytical and emotionless, they are generally smarter than humans though, I would say

  • @nauticalchair1536
    @nauticalchair1536 Pƙed 3 lety +9

    Once again a very interesting video, you're doing great at making a lot if this stuff way more interesting, good job EckhartsLadder.

  • @samyn_legrie
    @samyn_legrie Pƙed 3 lety +4

    This sort of story is why I prefer Legends. The Empire ended up as a slightly more controlled and just as fair New Republic (or Galactic Alliance, if you prefer).

  • @robertoraabe6967
    @robertoraabe6967 Pƙed 3 lety +18

    This man really said not “very cash - money”

  • @guitaristkuro8898
    @guitaristkuro8898 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I remember Daala from Legacy of the Force. The cannons her ships used were so cool.

  • @skyden24195
    @skyden24195 Pƙed 3 lety

    One of my favorite aspects of "Resistance" (animated series, etc.) was the inclusion of Cpt. Doza and Griff Hollaron, both former Imperial Navy, and both aligning themselves with the "light" light side. Doza's and Hollaron's insights, eventually having been on both sides of the fight, are brilliant. As well, it was thoughtful for the series to explore the appeal of the Empire through the actions of Tam Ryvora. The reality, fictionally and historically, Imperialism can have and has had mass appeal... the primary danger is trusting/believing/knowing what's at the top.

  • @poopsanchez6449
    @poopsanchez6449 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    The largest issue with the Empire actually lies with the state of a post-war galaxy that was mostly just against non-humans. Seeing as the Empire didn't exactly condemn the racism and xenophobia that existed within the territories after the Clone Wars. It was stated in one of the recent Thrawn books that the Empire itself is not racist. However, due to the years of war against the CIS, which were mostly led by non-humans, they grew to despise anyone who wasn't human or near-human. That is where the racism comes from, years of conflict. The Empire could've worked, but unfortunately the people really killed it.

  • @Jonathan-zz8uy
    @Jonathan-zz8uy Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Would be good to have an updated video on the Empire of the Hand at some point to take into account theories from the Mandalorian (is that where Thrawn is? busy setting up a canon version with Ezra?) possibly with Baron Soontir Fel too? đŸ€”

  • @alhabduro5639
    @alhabduro5639 Pƙed 3 lety

    Yo I just came back onto your channel and your intro and outro song gave me so much nostalgia when I used to watch your Star Wars videos all the time and build my legos. Memories man.

  • @cammy6435
    @cammy6435 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Love the videos my man keep up the amazing work and stay safe

  • @christianjacobson4560
    @christianjacobson4560 Pƙed 3 lety +32

    *When legends has more world building and lore than the official canon*

    • @DaMekBoy
      @DaMekBoy Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Legends had 30+ years to expand and create, obviously it has more world building than the new canon which has been out for only 8 years.

    • @AshlandLives
      @AshlandLives Pƙed 3 lety

      @@DaMekBoy Truth

    • @gamerpro9809
      @gamerpro9809 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      And yet they have faster development than Canon.

    • @chaospilot2142
      @chaospilot2142 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@DaMekBoy 8 years? I thought 7 came out 4-5 years ago. Am I really that old?

    • @crimson6363
      @crimson6363 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@chaospilot2142 Believe they're talking about Disney's acquisition of Star Wars, which was 8 years ago, and was when Legends became definitively non-canon. Otherwise, yes, episode 7 came out 5 years ago.

  • @grimasialander7183
    @grimasialander7183 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    The Old Republic Era has the most chances the Empire had at not become overtly evil. But it really depends on who is helming the show as "heroes" of the Empire.

  • @jdblay66777
    @jdblay66777 Pƙed 3 lety

    Quality video, keep up the great work man!

  • @liamc.6274
    @liamc.6274 Pƙed 3 lety +51

    The Empire? EVIL? Impossible! The Empire is a source of good and order. Glory to the Empire!

    • @judsongaiden9878
      @judsongaiden9878 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Oppression is the greatest evil. Order is oppression. Chaos is freedom. Therefore, chaos is good.

    • @ghaldurinanubios4290
      @ghaldurinanubios4290 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@judsongaiden9878 I'd rather deal with Order until it becomes Tyrannical. Rather than dealing with Chaos.
      Freedom is every beings right, but for alot of people order is a sort of freedom as well.

    • @judsongaiden9878
      @judsongaiden9878 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@ghaldurinanubios4290 Perhaps. If by "order," you mean "justice." At any rate, everyone knows it was droids who truly brought order to the galaxy.

    • @ghaldurinanubios4290
      @ghaldurinanubios4290 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@judsongaiden9878 nah I meant Order.
      You can not oppose Chaos without Order, much like you cannot oppose Tyranny without Freedom. This is the rule of Balance. Too much of something is never good for everything.
      If they added Battle Droids and Clones to the Empire, the war could have went on. Luke would probably have Great Grand Children by the time the war was won by the rebellion. Maybe it wouldn't have been won at all until 100 years later.

    • @liamc.6274
      @liamc.6274 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      There is no tyranny in this Empire. If you are hearing such things, please tell us the source of these rumors. They're rebel lies, trying to cause chaos and murder innocents. They're are terrorists, and will be dealt with like terrorists should be. Bring justice and order to our mighty Empire!

  • @alexandersmith1777
    @alexandersmith1777 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    If this ever gets retold in the new Cannon I would definitely sign up to become a TIE fighter pilot for this new Empire! 👍.

  • @Snufflegrunt
    @Snufflegrunt Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Oh wow, a video which doesn't have a huge plug for the first minute and a half! Awesome! Subbed!

  • @christianvincentcostanilla8428

    Time to revive Star Wars legends

    • @blackshogun272
      @blackshogun272 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      Christian Vincent Costanilla it's the only thing that'll save Star Wars right now. This shouldn't have even been a back up plan, this should've been the plan from the get go. Right now, we should be waiting on a movie trilogy set during the Legacy Era or a KoTOR/SWTOR era with at least 2 ongoing animated series set in either the Post-Endor, New Sith Wars, Pre-Republic or something.
      All the fans were cheated out of a glorious future dude...

    • @Kirkmaximus
      @Kirkmaximus Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Watch "Heir to the Empire" by DarthAngelus on YT.
      It's a really good series if you bear in mind that he has few voice actors to help him.

  • @jon-henrik9278
    @jon-henrik9278 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    The end speech of cpt. Kerril with the imperial march was epic in the last mission on the dark side in squadrons

  • @goregalore_
    @goregalore_ Pƙed 3 lety +159

    Damn bro its 2020 and kids are still trying to be "first"

  • @gamerguy4724
    @gamerguy4724 Pƙed 3 lety

    Love the vids dude!!

  • @marty2129
    @marty2129 Pƙed 3 lety

    These bits of lore is wha I like this channel :) thank you for reminding me :)

  • @metakillz3532
    @metakillz3532 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    "Dala herself was not very cash money" 😭😂😂

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland Pƙed 3 lety +62

    What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck

    • @UGNAvalon
      @UGNAvalon Pƙed 3 lety +10

      Reverse engineer. Fleet of Infinity’s. War’s over. Go home.

    • @robertnelson9599
      @robertnelson9599 Pƙed 3 lety +5

      Seeing how humanity could access Forerunner tech, they would have brought it to Earth, where the UNSC would have used the fleet to battle the Covenant. Scientists would study the ships, but dismantling and reverse-engineering would not have been done while the Covenant was still united.

    • @nicholasogburn7746
      @nicholasogburn7746 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I want that alternate history in my games. NOW.

    • @nicholasogburn7746
      @nicholasogburn7746 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      Aaaaand you just made me want to play Sins of the Prophets! Cheers! (If you haven’t experienced this, give it a whirl! Cool RTS mod for a solid space RTS!)

    • @TheWingland
      @TheWingland Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@nicholasogburn7746 I’m a console only guy

  • @draconicreconcile
    @draconicreconcile Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Okay, now I wanna see the Empire and the Republic working together, that would be so cool.

    • @thegoodwin
      @thegoodwin Pƙed 3 lety

      That actually happened in the SW Legacy Comics (Legends) where both the New Republic and the New Empire aka Fel Empire joined Forces to stop the Rise of the New Sith Order. It features both Jedi and Imperial Knights (Fel Empire Force Users) fighting the new Sith with Lightsabers.

  • @Leonhardt_Nukryst
    @Leonhardt_Nukryst Pƙed 3 lety +4

    I love legend's version to the New Republic.

  • @Wh40kFinatic
    @Wh40kFinatic Pƙed rokem +1

    Pellaeon is absolutely my favorite character in Star Wars. ❀

  • @ArmouredProductions
    @ArmouredProductions Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I wish something like the Fel Empire existed in Canon.
    According to some sources there actually is a small sort of Imperial Remnant in Canon that still operates under the name of the Galactic Empire even by the time of the Sequel Trilogy. It would have been interesting to see them referenced in the movies.

  • @BllyTheKd
    @BllyTheKd Pƙed 3 lety

    Hey so I watch your videos all the time, and I am really going to hate the day when they stop coming in.

  • @Vienna3080
    @Vienna3080 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    I guess that ultimately the Empire would have become a Parliamentary Democracy with a Monarch and a sort of House of Lords lead by Moffs, sort of like the UK and Netherlands

  • @shadyoder6055
    @shadyoder6055 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    I have always absolutely loved palleon for these reasons

  • @ethan20559
    @ethan20559 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    *"not very cash money"* couldn't have said it better myself.

  • @traveller6yearsago869
    @traveller6yearsago869 Pƙed 3 lety

    I watch skippable ads to the end for you Eck, not sure if it helps at all but until I hear otherwise I’m gonna keep going

  • @matthewneuendorf5763
    @matthewneuendorf5763 Pƙed 3 lety

    I always thought there was a huge missed opportunity for the post-RotJ Disney products with the fragmentation of the Imperial Remnant. It'd have been great to see a fleet somewhere that settled in to a more thought-out and effective role. My take: the fleet makes a deal with a couple of planets in a region, exchanging space-lane security for taxes. By helping those planets out-compete their neighbors (no pirates would be willing to prey on their flagged merchants), they demonstrate the usefulness of the Imperial Navy, getting more planets to sign on. Each world would be left to its own affair, simply providing funds and materiel to support the fleet in its role of space-lane security. Throw in protection from military threats (and refusal to commit to offensive wars, though strategic offensives in a defensive war would be fine) and it has the potential to be a great deal for member worlds without any of the tyranny, despotism, or aggression of the old Galactic Republic or Galactic Empire.

  • @hydrangea9117
    @hydrangea9117 Pƙed rokem +1

    Kinda want Palleon in current canon.. Dunno, maybe have him gathering remnants of First Order or have a spiritual successor, since it is shame these bits of lore were lost with legends. Personally, I've always digged a concept of Imperials becoming sort of good guys as nametag of bad guys was given to new threats.

  • @chilliobones5348
    @chilliobones5348 Pƙed 3 lety +6

    Let's just admit
    Galactic empire > First order

  • @pubcle
    @pubcle Pƙed 3 lety +8

    Fun fact, in Star Wars: Rebels, the Rebellion commits more war crimes than the Empire.
    "Evil is a label we place on those who threaten us." ~ Chancellor Palpatine
    As Thrawn stated, most citizens never saw a single TIE fighter. Most citizens supported or were indifferent to the Empire, and there is significant argument that the Rebel Alliance caused far more suffering than the Empire ever would have through the chaos and war caused. Now in real life I'm an individualist to the extreme, but taking the argument for what it is the Empire definitely has reason behind its support and the Alliance to Restore the Republic has serious problems within its own actions.

  • @danielzemiller8512
    @danielzemiller8512 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Something I never thought of why was the emperor throne room next to the reactor shaft

    • @thegoodwin
      @thegoodwin Pƙed 3 lety

      So, the Emperor can throw someone down there when he gets mad. But, ironically, he got shafted.

  • @NegiTaiMetal011
    @NegiTaiMetal011 Pƙed 3 lety

    This is why I love Legends more. However it'd be interesting to see the Imperial Remnant + New Republic vs The First Order.

  • @richelieu5406
    @richelieu5406 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    "We used to be bad,now were good"

  • @andrein_501st
    @andrein_501st Pƙed 3 lety +3

    I wish we got something like the Fel Empire in canon

  • @openshutterfilms
    @openshutterfilms Pƙed 3 lety +2

    The Empire was always good! Bringing a safe and secure society! (PS awesome video Eckarts very informative)

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Vs matchup Yss-1000 saber( Halo Reach) vs T-65 X-wing(Star Wars). 2 rounds round 1 average pilot in each round 2 noble 6 in the saber vs Wedge Antilles in the X-wing

  • @JackRendar
    @JackRendar Pƙed 3 lety +17

    Will JOIN when RICH.

  • @prussianhill
    @prussianhill Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Could you do a video about the rise of Jagged Fell? I feel that most star wars channels have ignored him.

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 Pƙed 3 lety +60

    Once again, another example of Mickey Skaven ignoring the vastness of Star Wars lore

    • @pepperedash4424
      @pepperedash4424 Pƙed 3 lety +9

      Micky would be Skaven if the Skaven were a corporate empire.

    • @pepperedash4424
      @pepperedash4424 Pƙed 3 lety +8

      @@michaelandreipalon359 I'll see if can help. To paraphrase the website whfb.lexicon.com; Skavens are a race of rat-like men that inhabit the caves, tunnels, mines, and sewers of the Warhammer franchise. Josh's comment was a harsh insult towards the face of Disney, Mickey Mouse. My comment was trying to say Mickey Mouse would be an emperor of a corporate empire (Disney) if he was a Skavern.

    • @pepperedash4424
      @pepperedash4424 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@michaelandreipalon359 Kinda easier to go after Mickey than everyone that's responsible in reality. But you have a point.

    • @pepperedash4424
      @pepperedash4424 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@michaelandreipalon359 Pete is less representative of Disney than Mickey. My comment was also a bit tongue in cheek.

    • @pepperedash4424
      @pepperedash4424 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@michaelandreipalon359 I'd say Bob Iger deserves the most blame.

  • @Wheelycool_Moonwalker
    @Wheelycool_Moonwalker Pƙed 3 lety +2

    The Empire: we were bad but now we're good

    • @darthrevan1281
      @darthrevan1281 Pƙed 3 lety

      “I encounter civilians like you all the time. You believe the Empire is continually plotting to do harm. Let me tell you, your view of the Empire is far too dramatic. The Empire is a government. It keeps billions of beings fed and clothed. Day after day, year after year, on thousands of worlds, people live their lives under Imperial rule without seeing a stormtrooper or hearing a TIE fighter scream overhead."
      -Grand Admiral Thrawn

    • @Wheelycool_Moonwalker
      @Wheelycool_Moonwalker Pƙed 3 lety

      @@darthrevan1281 their intentions were pure

  • @AzraelThanatos
    @AzraelThanatos Pƙed 3 lety

    Even during the main era of the Empire, there were a lot of heroic Imperials, it's just that you rarely saw them due to the focus on the conflict between the Empire and the Rebellion/New Republic. Just as there were nightmarish forces in the rebellion who were basically terrorists or pirates claiming it for legitimacy while continuing their normal businesses.

  • @unar1011
    @unar1011 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    gotta love those imperial knights

  • @vilisveidis
    @vilisveidis Pƙed 3 lety

    You know that meme of the cat just bobbing his head to some vibe? That's me at around 0:01

  • @cptjoseph13
    @cptjoseph13 Pƙed 3 lety

    i would appreciate some content on star wars pirates such as the ones from "I Jedi" or any others

  • @dach829
    @dach829 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    The empire was always the good guys.

  • @baronesscisarovna1898
    @baronesscisarovna1898 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I'm sure there were definitely instances in which people in the Empire was good, but the organization itself wasn't overall obviously. Honestly from the numbers that are available, the amount of systems, ships, planets, troops, officers etc. Under the Empire's control was massive. All we see in the films is the direct leadership of the empire acting in an clearly evil way. I'd be really interested to see/read stories about sectors that didn't really have major conflicts. Even during the Clone Wars which was a much bigger conflict, the majority of the galaxy was untouched by war or at least never saw a clone/battle droid. I'm sure a lot of systems saw the Empire as a genuinely good thing providing security from pirates, terrorists, criminals etc. Not to mention preventing all the infighting between systems as well. There were probably a lot of Imperial officers who weren't evil either, hell the Empire essentially took everyone (even luke wanted to join!) So there had to be some large sectors where the Empire had a largely good presence. Hell, even in militaries on earth there are different views on what's ethical or moral in war so extrapolate that to billions of planets, officers, and soldiers. I'm sure not every, or even most of the Imperial officer corps acted like the upper echelon. Especially the average Stormtrooper and a ton of different reasons to join except to be evil.
    In Squadrons for ex. all the Imperial Pilots are cold and somewhat distant and I know they're trying to strike a contrast between them and the rebel squadron but it still felt a bit cliche and overdone. It would be interesting to see an Imperial squad or crew with the personalities of more "good" characters. I wish Star Wars would play around with it more but I guess the narrative doesn't really fit the morally grey view point. That's okay too, there's always a need for the traditional good vs evil story.

  • @localHazzard
    @localHazzard Pƙed 3 lety

    Sounds like the Empire slowly transitioned from a ridiculous force of evil to gradually behaving more like a regular empire.

  • @Jm-ki4su
    @Jm-ki4su Pƙed 3 lety

    both the Empire and the Republic are suggestive with their morality. that's why i love star wars.

  • @youssh4975
    @youssh4975 Pƙed 3 lety

    i want to see more about the new republic and the empire fighting side by side

  • @canisblack
    @canisblack Pƙed 3 lety

    This was pretty nice. Though it one of your early comments got me thinking a bit...have you ever done a video on why the various Dark/Sith Lords actually went for superweapons time and time again even though there was plenty of historical evidence to show they didn't work or even more contemporary studies showing that using those resources to construct even larger fleets that could directly oppress even more of the galaxy?
    I mean I'm pretty sure that Legends never outright stated it, but if you read between the lines it seems pretty obvious.

  • @k-874
    @k-874 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    The Empire we're, and always have been the good guys

  • @toddjolly8543
    @toddjolly8543 Pƙed 3 lety

    Uh...where did the video come from? A game? It's pretty awesome!

  • @phantomaviator1318
    @phantomaviator1318 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Aye, wassup Eck

  • @dakkarnemo1094
    @dakkarnemo1094 Pƙed 3 lety +4

    We should've had the Thrawn Trilogy, Imperial Remnant, and/or the Fel Empire instead of what we got in the Sequals.

  • @JapanatWar
    @JapanatWar Pƙed 3 lety

    Daala? Cash Money!? Lol I love this channel

  • @RFDLadder1
    @RFDLadder1 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    yeah new video

  • @tymekrakowski9555
    @tymekrakowski9555 Pƙed 3 lety

    800K subscribers. Nice.

  • @CaneMcKeyton
    @CaneMcKeyton Pƙed 3 lety +1

    The Fel Empire was one of the best aspects of Legends. While still autocratic it was fair and coexisted peacefully with the Republic