What if the Empire WASN'T EVIL? Is a good Galactic Empire possible?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 16. 03. 2020
- Is a good Galactic Empire really possible? We examine the question and take a closer look at the Empire in Star Wars Legends!
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What would you think Palpatine would have done if the CIS would have accidentaly won? Like if some generals in the CIS would have become fustrated how the war was run and would have sicretly taken things into their own hands.
I just beat all 3 original factions (havent gotten Chaos yet) and personal favorite is still the Imperium
You've brought out the Empire-did-nothing-wrong stans. Eck, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
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Ecks: "The Empire under Pellaeon outlawed slavery, women and aliens-"
Me: "Wait hang on"
Ecks: "-were more prevalent in the government"
Me: "Oh..."
I had the same reaction
Trevor P we were on the verge of greatness
I was just about to make the same point
"I hate the homeless.
.
.
-ness problem that plagues this city"
Trevor P literally every single female is considered an illegal immigrant.
"the new Empire outlawed slavery, women, and aliens..."
I laughed at the unintentional connection.
Legit I was about to make a comment about that, but y'all beat me to it
WOMEN ARE NOW ILLEGAL.
THE CIS in this case would literally be Fembotsđ
@@midshipman8654 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MASTER RACE?!
Incel Pellaeon
What have you brought to your new Empire?
A: Peace
B: Freedom
C: Justice
D: Security
All of the above
E: *All the above*
@The Noticer of Things Some of the slaves have been spreading stories about the burned man again.
*TO YOUR NEW EMPIRE?*
E none of the above
2:43 "The New Empire under Pellaeon outlawed: slavery, women and aliens..."
A glorious misquote I couldn't refuse.
When youâre so early the Empire is still the Galactic Republic
When youâre so late the empire is the first order
@@christophersalinas2722 And im so late its a Sith Cult now
I'm so late that the Star Wars Universe went big crunch
_Is a good Galactic Empire possible?_
*_Gilad Pellaeon: Hold my beer_*
Hell, include Thrawn in there. I wouldn't mind following him.
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 Yeah but he was a militant piss boy asshole. Pallaeon actually cared about people, Thrawn was just good at war.
@Jack Rutledge Goembel I think Thrawn did care but, as a military leader, had to sideline his own feelings to fight a war. A military General who is unwilling to make hard decisions is unfit for command
@@alect525 Did he?
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 Well he said clearly that he neither waste the lives of his men nor did he take their death lightly. He could sacrifice some men, and even execute one (in that case one that try to put his own failures on his officer to throw him under the bus) of his soldiers, but I think he valued the men and women under his command. Of course he was no guy who made friends with his soldiers, but commanders does that rarely and with good reasons - after all they have sometimes send them into death.
The Fel Empire are basically a mirror counterpart to Palpatine's Galactic Empire in a number of ways:
1. Both are ruled by you guessed it Emperors (the Fel dynasty for the Fel Empire and Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious for the Galactic Empire).
2. Both have Stormtroopers, Star Destroyer and TIE Fighter navies and Force-sensitives in their ranks (In the case of the Force-sensitives it's the Imperial Knights for the Fel Empire and the Inquisitors/Emperor's Hands for the Galactic Empire).
3. Both have Moffs in their governments.
4. Both use the same crest/symbol (the linked roundel).
5. Both have an Imperial Intelligence branch.
6. Both would come to dominate the galaxy (the Fel Empire would absorb most of the Galactic Alliance before the SIth-Imperial War and later after defeating A'Sharad Hett/Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire they would form the Galactic Federation Triumvirate alongside the New Jedi Order).
7. Both would have their capital at Coruscant.
8. Both refer to themselves as "New Order".
9. Both had aliens and women among their ranks (the Fel Empire had non-human Stormtroopers and admirals in the military and the Galactic Empire had the likes of Thrawn, Mas Amedda, Sly Moore and most of the Inquisitors).
However they are six major differences between the two:
1. Jagged Fel, Fel II and Roan Fel while not perfect were fair and benign rulers of the Fel Empire whereas Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious was anything but those things.
2. The Fel Empire never employed Dark Side users at all instead opting to use Grey Jedi like the Imperial Knights by contrast the Galactic Empire had many of them in their ranks like the Inquisitors or the Emperor's Hands.
3. The Fel Empire did not have anti-alien xenophobia/speciesism at all being pretty much absent at this point the Galactic Empire on the other hand was a very mixed bag some Imperials encouraged Humanocentrism/High Human Culture as a way of oppressing non-humans/aliens and even enslaving some of them while ironically including those people in the military and even politics. Women were also a mixed bag as well in the Expanded Universe (EU)/"Legends" there was some misogyny there though there were female Imperials like Ysanne Isard for example.
4. The Fel Empire was never really tyrannical though it wasn't afraid to take extreme measures the Galactic Empire was pretty much tyrannical.
5. The faction that overthrew them were A'Sharad Hett/Darth Krayt's Sith Order who created their own Galactic Empire much like Palpatine's version while it was the Alliance to Restore the Republic/Rebel Alliance overthrew the Galactic Empire and replaced it with the New Republic.
6. Palpatine as far we know never married any woman and had a son/daughter whereas Jagged Fel would marry New Jedi Order Master Jaina Solo and may or may not have a kid in the form of Ania Solo.
Someone knows their star wars!
@@gardevoir7137 And now we get this Disney crap. Heard of the Luke Skywalker show they working on ? It will have a teenage " Ben Solo."
If they are so pro-female, why don't they just stick with EU Legends. Leia's daughter is just awesome also her son's red golden hair force witch girl friend was really cool. Legends just had better female characters.
kris palermo Mara Jade is more badass than Rey could ever be. Lumia(?) as well.
@@QixTheDS the Fel Empire is the Notzi (no nazi) version of Nazi Germany, basically Nazist Germany with all the cool toys and uniforms without the Nazi...so you can root for them without feeling guilty; it's basically the dream of any Empire Fanboy that now feel vendicated
@@lukedalton Fel Empire deserves some respect and recognition!
Also, the idea of a Not Nazi-type of empire is a major inspiration for one of my story concepts.
I saw the title and thought: "Thrawn"
It wans't evil
@@idontknow5401 yes it was
@Eli Wilson can't be worse than what we got in the last three movies. Although, I think Zahn is kinda done with Star Wars after they threw out all of the events of the Thrawn trilogy.
Yes, yes, he will be in my line of succession.
@@emperorsheevpalpatine6572
So, if Iâm remembering your direction correctly, it goes
-Vader
-Thrawn
-Tarkin (while he was with us)
Without Palpatine in charge, the Empire wouldn't be as evil as many would see it.
Many of its citizens were simply fighting for what they believed in.
But the still believed in evil things
They massacred people like the Nazis did. Just following orders or fighting for what you believed in does not change or take away from the Evil that they wrought.
Some were conscripted, others may not have had another choice in life, and many joined voluntarily believing it was for the greater good. But none of that excuses the acts of the Empire and its troops, i.e. enslaving and nearly genociding the Wookies, forceably dissolving the Senate, destroying an entire planet, or summary executions such as torching Beru and Owen. Even without the mastermind, the Empire would still have been quite evil.
They are space facist
Saber Bloodteeth and that is exactly the problem with both the interpretation of Germany during WW2 and the Empire and its servants. _There is no âtheyâ_ . Instead thereâs both evil scumbags who murder just for the sake of it, and people who did not partake in any of this and still get generalized into the scumbags-category.
Pellaeon's a Giga Chad! He has THE Mustache that destroys navies, a true Gentleman of his era! Hux wishes he was Chadmiral Pellaeon!
Sug Dolomar please donât use chad someone like you doesnât deserve to use that word
@@MatthewsGamingZone why?
Matthew Woodcock step on a lego
The chad Pellaeon, attempting to provide good conditions for his subjects, and the virgin Thrawn, trying to smash the New Republic long after Coruscant has fallen
Sug Dolomar bc first of all who says giga like wth is that and ur just not a chad either
I really want to see a story in the spirit of the old EU about a faction of the Empire that knows that Palpatine is the one driving the Empire to atrocities and does a whole "Long live the Empire, death to the Sith" thing.
There's a bit of that in the "Bloodline" novel, where a faction of the New Republic Senate led by Ransolm Casterfo, believe that the Empire was not inherently evil, and could have been reformed by the removal of Palatine.
@@NinjaOtter1209 Oh so basically "wouldn't it be nice if the Fel Empire arc actually happened?" XD
Interesting........This has Me thinking. Just Like âStar Trekâ has itâs âMirrorverseâ & Transformers has itâs âShattered Glassâ Would anyone like to See âStar Warsâ go down into THAT rabbit Hole & be given the âMirror Mirrorâ treatment?
@@NightRaven-lh1bf Can't have 2 seconds without someone whining about the new trilogy :)
Mirror Mirror but in the opposite direction hmm? We're familiar with the bad mirror universe.
That could be a really interesting storyline, you'd probably want to base the good Empire in GDI from Command and Conquer or a severely toned down Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40K. That could be a whole lot of fun
Technically isnât there already a mirror universe? Legends and canon. One was those âgood ole daysâ and the other represents corporate greed
hmmm... tricky; the problem with most of the movie villains is that they are 2 dimensional cut outs. Without going total fanfic is there enough meat on the bones to write Palpatine as a good guy? I think there is meat on the bones of writing the concepts though as mirrored. The Jedi as an autocratic theocracy that imposes the Code on EVERYONE; and the Sith as a druidic rebellion of people who wish to live on the winds of the force.
Thrawn's crew in the new canon on the Chimera are the closest thing we've gotten to a good Empire. I love the new Thrawn books.
Ryan L if Thrawn or someone like Thrawn was in charge, the Empire would be super effective at doing good. He saved as many lives as possible, human, twiâlek, wookiee, etc. He took an interest in the culture and values of each race and planet. He was capturing pirates and bandits left and right and stopping spice trade (space heroin basically). Thrawn 2020
@@discombobulatedecho6025
He's more of a person I'd want to command fleets and be within military matters than trying to run the imperial day to day manners. In the new canon it usually shows that he has a bit of a problem with the politics of the empire. He advanced due to skill but also due to who he knew as well. Without people like Yularen, Pryce, even the Emperor himself, he wouldn't have gotten so far.
Let's not forget he had slave labor and tried to murder children in their mother's womb.
indeed, I love them as well, but it's kinda sad knowing the end of the last books ties right in to what happens to him in the end of the rebels show
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind that says alot about you.
In the earlier outlines for starwars while George was still working out the story there actually never was a republic but a "good empire" ruled over by Benevolent Emperors which the jedi served for thousands of generations before it became corrupted and betrayed the jedi with the help of the sith (who replaced the jedi in the now evil empire)
That would be adapted into the alternate reality Dark Horse Comics' Star Wars Infinities series The Star Wars after George Lucas' 1974 script treatment. Darth Krayt's Sith Order/Galactic Empire both resemble Cos Dashit's Knights of Sith/New Galactic Empire from The Star Wars as does the Fel Empire and the previous Emperor Roan Fel the original Galactic Empire and the previous Emperors before. Also, there is an alien smuggler among the main cast of characters (the Urellian Han Solo and the Zeltron Deliliah Blue), the good Emperor/Galactic Empire gets overthrown and the Jedi almost extinct with the remaining survivors going into hiding (The Jedi-Bendu and The New Jedi Order).
Gilad Pellaeon: We are the Empire. We bring order and justice for the common good.
"May the Force be with you, Admiral."
"Once upon a time, I was certain I'd never hear those words directed toward me."
"Times change."
Stormtoopers: Take the rebels down!
Death Trooper: Push them back!
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death trooper: ljctoudsuidtiudtgt
Alternate title: What if Palpatine could keep The Evil-Boner in his Goddam Pants for five seconds?
weldonwin this made me laugh
Seems pretty extreme for a topic like this, imo.
Never seen anyone so horny at being evil. Like dude chill
@@Black_pearl_adrift It just struck me that Palpatine was so brilliant, so subtle and such a masterful schemer and manipulator, right up until the end of the Clone Wars and the rise of the Empire. After that, he becomes just another self-sabotaging villain, who can't stop with the mindless malice and cruelty for five bloody seconds. Just imagine an Empire, where Palpatine was able to keep being brilliant and subtle, instead of just indulging every stupidly evil impulse that crossed his mind?
@@weldonwin I would have loved that, villains who are evil but good at it are my Achilles heel
The second I saw this I clicked, I ALWAYS love scenarios like Shattered glass from Transformers where the moralities of the opposing factions are switched!
There should be several videos to cover the scenarios, what if The Empire/Palpatine was Good from the beginning. And if somebody took it over and reformed it.
What happens in that story?
@@bradmorales4002 commenting to get the answer,
@@javierpowell4705 me too
@@javierpowell4705 yes.
@@bradmorales4002 Well, I have ONE answer.
If such a story would happen...there was an artbook where Darth Vader and other guys were drawn depicted as the opposite of their moralities. And if Palpatine was good, then that would mean The Sith would have to be good, and The Jedi would've been evil. So The galaxy would have been in a period of incredible instability when The Sith went extinct in Darth Bane's era in this version of the story versus canon, at least for those outside The Core. If there was a superstate that would be an Evil Republic then The Core HAS to be stable...and if the Sith were good, then that means Dooku and Grievous aren't evil, that would mean The Separatists would be a much more heroic entity, and Palpatine's rise to power and The Jedi's extermination would mark the beginning of a golden era. But the clones would have to be defeated, and in this version, the Republic would be much more militarily powerful, meaning The Separatists would have started in a very difficult position, but then again with Palpatine not pulling the strings that means the advantages the Separatists have would be used much more extensively, the outcome of The Clone War wouldn't be set in stone.
But if The Sith were good, then that would mean that The Rule of 2 would never have been implemented due to the infighting not being a problem, and because the infighting wouldn't be a problem, then Darth Bane (or whatever his name is, he needs to lose the bad guy name) would have never had the need to implement such a strict population control regimen. The Sith would be secret, but not alone in The Clone Wars Era, especially not in the areas where the Jedi's power was weakest. During The Clone Wars, the Sith would be sent to protect the more vulnerable corners of the CIS, but the Jedi's chosen one would be a massively grievous threat.
Speaking of Grievous, if The Republic was evil, then they probably would have done nothing in his conflict with those insectoids. The Sith might have aided the Khaleesh, in fact, Dooku would probably leave/retire from the order in response to the Jedi choosing not to interfere. And since the Sith are not evil, Palpatine would never have arranged for Grievous to get bombed, he would never get injured, and as such would never have the rage chip that makes him into the brutal monster we see, Grievous would probably have Cybernetics installed onto him and many of his warriors when Dooku tells him of the threat the Jedi pose, and of the coming war, in which someone would have to hold the banner.
This would also mean Korriban, the Cave in Dagobah, and other places of Dark Side power would be light side (aka, Pure Force) and the other places would be Dark side Coruscant's dark side spot would remain the same. That would mean The Nightsisters and the rest of the Dathomiri Zabrak would be powerful allies and not prone to treachery. The Dathomiri wouldn't be segregated male v female either.
Diplomats like Mia and Lux Bonterri would be incredibly valuable assets by exposing the corruption and destruction The Jedi and the Dark Republic were causing, this would most likely make the Kaminoans and other more powerful worlds secede or consider cessation, and trigger massive societal change in a number of Core Worlds, including Naboo. This would cause Padme to turn Separatist, and in the final days of The Clone War, Padme and Vader would talk, and Vader would turn separatist in exchange for clemency. Anakin immediately triggers Order 66 along with Palpatine, who was working to turn Anakin to good for his entire life. With the Hero with no Fear speaking out against the Jedi, the Separatists would gain a massive PR boost.
And since The Republic was evil, the Jedi would probably be working on building the Death Star even before the Clone Wars broke out to be their moving Citadel, their capital from which they would rule the galaxy with an iron fist. This Death Star would be near completion when The Jedi bite the dust, and then it would be seized, and since The Death Star had a multitude of unknown weaponry, including a multitude of Dark Side implements, which Anakin had a particular expertise on, the Sith had absolutely no idea how to destroy it safely, and as such they hid it in a place they believe nobody would ever find it. But before Anakin examined the Death Star, he participated in the final battle of the war, defending The Separatist War Council on Utapau, Kenobi would take the last of his clones and launch an assault that will finally kill Grievous, and mutilate Anakin Skywalker into needing his suit, but sadly, during the battle, the spiteful Kenobi assaulted the hospital where Anakin's wife was currently giving birth to their children and killed her and her newborn children.
But unbeknownst, Kenobi kidnapped the twins and secluded them to places where they would never be found. Tattooine for Luke, where he would be trained to be one of the mightiest Jedi warriors the galaxy had ever known, and Leia would be trained to be a powerful Dark Side Witch in an unknown locale, but would later run away during her teenage years.
Leia's emergence would then prompt Luke to try to find her and get her back, thus, sparking the events of this alternate original trilogy, their QUEST FOR THE DEATH STAR. Standing to oppose them would be the light side versions of Pong Krell, Dooku, Maul, Savage, Baris Offee, Ventress, Vader, and Palpatine, now the Emperor.
8:45 I always interpreted that Thrawn didn't have that crewmember killed because he messed up, but rather because he refused to take responsibility for his failure and tried to shift blame onto his immediate superior.
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Fans: Well yes, but actually no.
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Long live the empire !
Peace & Order my friend. Peace and Order.
Glory to the Empire!
Sith Empire did nothing wrong Good guess but actually no.
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In theory a âGoodâ Empire would be very beneficial to the galaxy
A good anything is good for the galaxy. People forget that. When talking about anarchy, democracy, socialism, monarchies, and dictatorships; we always forget that the system itself is irrelevant to the morality of any such governmental system. Evil can corrupt any system, and any system can be run well if there are enough good people to make sure it is run well.
A benevolent dictator makes for a benevolent dictatorship.
@@NoobNoobNews Well that's not exactly true, a good Sith wouldn't help the galaxy at all he would've died very quickly. And a good Storm trooper in the Empire would actually be competent potentially making the New Republic impossible. Also a good Anarchist isn't a fucking anarchist
@@nightshadowdarkthenomad6023 I think you missed, like, the whole f*cking point.
@@user-ft3jq5vi2l Hey Dumbass maybe you should shut the Fuck up because nothing I said missed the point. He said a good anything is good for the galaxy and I told him that isn't fully true then I gave examples of things that wouldn't help the galaxy. Maybe your the one who missed the fucking point
NightShadowDark The Nomad I donât know, centralized governments only work if itâs a small enough area. If itâs too big itâs less of an empire and more of a bunch of semi autonomous states with a figure head
Yes. It was called the Fel Empire.
Long Live Emperor Fel! Glory To The Empire!
If I were to write a Star Wars movie, I'd have one of the factions be a functionally "good" Empire. There would be just enough moral ambiguity that characters from outside this Empire would be suspicious and distrustful, but the moment they actually reveal their true colors then those characters would be in shock and awe at this Empire's unambiguous moral virtue. This Empire's Emperor/Empress would be seen very rarely, but if they were to have any interactions with the main characters, they would be a nigh polar-opposite to Palpatine in terms of morality. So this theoretical Empire would still have the inherent flaws of autocracy, but the individuals in power would legitimately be good people trying to do good, for better or for worse.
And for an even more interesting take you can have the heir be one of the shitty ones that happened to empires across time. Then have the good ruler die and see the slow decline and transformation under a shitty heir.
@@Tearakan Soo, are you describing Zakuul?
@@Tearakan honestly in this same movie concept idea of mine, the main antagonist would be the Yuzhaan Vong. I would make a movie about their apocalyptic invasion (much worse than in the books), and one of the early hurdles is the Republic & Empire coming to terms and forming an Alliance to fight back. So I wouldn't focus on the Sith or someother evil fuck trying to overthrow the current Imperial ruler from the shadows. I think a good-aligned Empire would be refreshing to see come to full fruition. To see stormtroopers again but they're morally converged with the clone troopers now! And I would totally have Imperial Knights as apart of the main cast alongside Jedi. Etc. I think it would be easy money for Disney if they found a writer that isn't a dipshit.
I disagree that a âgoodâ Empire would entirely disavow superweapons, but rather the superweapons they would have would be highly specialized and focused on engaging military targets. For example, perhaps they would have expanded upon the CISâ research into ion weaponry that eventually led to the Subjugator-class, in order to create a ship-mounted weapon that could disable a whole fleet in a single shot, ending a battle before anybody could fight back. The whole point of the Tarkin Doctrine, when done RIGHT, is to make potential adversaries realize the futility of resistance and surrender without fighting at all.
Then thereâs the question of the Jedi Order. I honestly donât know if the Empire could tolerate the existence of an extra-legal order operating among their ranks. I could see them creating a âstate-approvedâ order thatâs accountable to the government, however, similar to the Imperial Knights of the Legacy era.
Great point about superweapons, I think that would absolutely work. Beyond that, did you know that some people who worked on the Death Star thought it would be used in mining? A good empire might just build a Death Star and use it for mining, with its military applications being an implied threat but never actually used.
For the Jedi Order, though, I think it would make the most sense for the emperor/empress to be a Jedi or equivalent, so that way the Force would be incorporated into the government and there would be no more conflict between the Jedi and the government than between, for example, the IRS and the government.
@Samuel Dimmock You mean some people deluded themselves into believing that, and even if they seriously believed it, it would't take a genius to realize what potential the superlaser had as a weapon and that the military would absolutely seek to weaponize it.
As for a Jedi Emperor/Empress, that actually happened in the Legacy Era, the force-sensitive members of the Fel Dynasty trained with the Imperial Knights.
@@z3r0_35 Exactly.
The Fel Empire is underrated. A full light-side empire that maintained a very capable military while creating their own scion of lightside users(thus not tying themselves to useless ideologies), while having a very capable dynasty of emperors who managed to transform their relatively remote worlds into prosperous places to live in. Sure, they did get corrupted by the Sith but this was due to the Moffs, not the Emperor, and after the Legacy Comics the Empire did centralise its government more to curb the moffs.
Yes while the empire is inherently evil, the republic was just as bad because
1. they became corrupted.
2. they didn't let the CIS secede when they should've
3. The jedi were blind to their own faith, and did things they weren't suppose to do, such as be in command of the military when they are peace keepers.
It's lot more complicated than that but I just want to point out that the Jedi isn't as good as we picture them to be, far from it. Disliking how pro-jedi most of the community is. The sith, albeit, recently just being evil for the sake of evil, are not evil at all if you go back before plaguis and Sidious. It's just the recent films are so aimed towards sith being evil because plot needs them to be.
Well, the Sith are supposed to be bad guys, and are evil in most of the media.
The Sith are evil because that is the nature of the Dark Side especially the Dark Lords of the Sith. Vitiate, Malak, Malgus, Bane, Plagueis, and Vader were practical but still very evil
@@shorewall They're the other side of the coin of the ideology. In the films yes they are suppose to be bad and are evil to most of the media, but the way they keep pumping more and more pro-jedi its getting tiresome. You have an entire universe and all you keep putting out is one side. Give me a new perspective on this world, the sequels already fucked up the brand name, try something new. There's a reason why any of the Old Republic games is good as it is. It tells us something new and something we can relate to.
yeah.. jedi beheading people in the name of peace..
@@Nubin2000 Lol you clearly don't know the history of the sith. The reason why you know them is because they are significant. It was the Jedi who hunted down the sith and did you know, the ones that survived were the extremist. Sith is a vague term since it was put onto anyone who studied the "dark" side of the force.
"What if"
The Empire did nothing wrong
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I see great things in your future.
Looking into the world through the eyes of a terrorist cell can lead to a skewed view; the Empire was a net good.
R2-D2 killed 10x as many people as the DSI in a single sitting, including relocated Alderaanian refugees
#JusticeForByss
@@notsae66 What makes the rebels terrorists and the Empire not? Really think about it. You know what the answer is? It's because you have a bias to accept violence done by those in power and condone violence done by those not in power.
Maybe if the Empire wasn't controlled by Sith Lords and where actually controlled by (Senate approved) government officials like a Moff or Grand Admiral.
What are you talking about? The Empire was the best thing in the Galaxy.
The Empire improves every system it touches. Judge by any metric. Safety, prosperity, trade, opportunity, peace.
In a galaxy defined by peace, Rebels were the animals that brought chaos and blood.
Not for poor people, women, and aliens lol
@@savioxavier4155 has the world been safer since the rebolution? Look outside.
@@savioxavier4155 Imperial dogwhistle. They are only thinking of human Core worlders like themselves when they say shit like this.
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 You REALLY don't like palpatine haha (I don't blame you).
@@emprahsfinest7092 They also have lives, and matter? Lol
Eckart I've always love your reviews keep the great work.
Me and my friends thought of this question, we made some art of the inquisitors, who were like, jedi/with recruiters, where we just made their unform jackets white instead of black.
Even as a little kid I never thought the Empire was in the wrong, to me the ârebelsâ were just weaklings and peasants. Probably mostly down to the fact that the Empire had all the cooler stuff, and of course fucking Darth Vader
I always liked the Empire, I just hated the Darth Sidious
Sage The Assassin -Super Gamer Sidious is a baller my guy, that dude played the entire universe for years and years. Thatâs some big brain shit
/r/EmpireDidNothingWrong
I always loved the empire and disliked the rebels. Empire has the coolest shit, and theyâre there for a stable and peaceful government. Rebels have shitty gear, are quite unorganized and do just as bad and horiffic shit as the empire. Atleast mostly. So iâll stay with the empire all the way
@@dylannix4289 The fact that Palpatine's plan took decades to ride the Jedi, he should have just done a Darth Malgus an walked through the front door of the Jedi Temple
The Fel Empire was a great story arc, actually.
Not sure if you've covered them in a video, but you totally should.
I really enjoy you playing with your dog at the end of your videos, thank you for leaving it there.
This is a great addition to your video yesterday.
No need to imagine. They already are good.
If it was Grand Admiral Thrawn instead of CUNT-tatine.
I am in.
Vulkan thatâs true.
Empire is the best 100%. Rebels have shitty gear, look hella stupid. And are poor mfs. If i were in the SW universe iâd be 100% empire.
@@freerealestate6531 If it's *NOT* ruled over by CUNT-tatine!
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 You dare insult the Emperor? Heresy! ... Oh wait, wrong universe. Carry on citizen!
The broader question to ask is âAre there benevolent dictatorships?â That is the central message of the SWU and Lucas said no. Somethings to consider is that the Empire, as all empires, is exploitative. They claim domain over worlds that were once sovereign. By extension, you lose your personal liberties without some form of democratic organization. Disbanding the Senate, Palps ensures himself that he has no political opposition to hold up his plans for domination and âunlimited powerâ. But just by forcing everyone into your collective against their will is and of itself malignant.
But can an Empire be benevolent AFTER they conquer everyone? Possibly, but for humans it is not likely given our psychology. The point of power then becomes to gain more and gain special status leading to fascism, totalitarianism and feudalism. Lucas put âevil humansâ at the head of the evil Empire for a reason. It wasnât another alien species and it clearly a portrayal of Hitlerâs Nazi 3rd Reich in outer space. However, democratization is like a drug, one taste of freedom and you wonât go back to being a mere subject. Further, the SWU assumes that all sentience wants self-determination. That may not be the case in a galaxy with tens of thousands of millions of self aware species.
In short, Empires wield too much power. As the saying goes, âpower corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.â ~ Lord John Acton.
Important to note that Lucas did intend for Palapatine to be a Nixon like figure, ie someone who exploits democracy to gain personal and absolute power.
The one thing I like the Mandalorian and Solo series is that they gave so much humanity to the empire, like the solider is just following orders, they want peace as well. They have no knowledge about Jedi or Sith, most of them are brainwash by the empire. But in the end they just want order and peace. I hope we can be able to see more of these in the future
Haven't watched the video yet, but:
On a philosophical level, the idea of a good empire reminds me a lot of the idea of a good king or dictator. When all the power is given to one person (or, in reality, a small group of people because there is never a lone ruler), things can go well if that small group of people is benevolent. But how often has that been the case? In the rare occassions that you do have a benevolent emperor or king or dictator, how long did that last? When the next leader came along, what guarantee was there that they'd be benevolent? And when the benevolence ends, there are no protections for the people against the evil that now rules over them.
Implying the empire wasnât an improvement over the bloated bureaucratic republic that couldnât defend its own worlds
In Terms of efficiencey, yes. In Terms of morality, not quite. To compare them is to like comparing two deadly poisons. Both suck.
@@olafgurke4699 not even in term of efficency; the empire wasted uncountable resources just because Palpy wanted shiny new megaweapons and to be a douchebag
@@olafgurke4699 Which is morally worse. Refusing secession but building up a military so large that no planet or alliance could challenge you directly? Or refusing secession but not having a standing army making armed secession the only available option?
@@lukedalton I mean, they achieved their Goal, so I wouldn't call it wasted recousrces. No matter how stupid it may be, they got it done. Which is something that any democratic whatsoever seems to struggle with.
@@bengale9977 At least the Republic tried to have morals. And it is absolutely stupid not to have a standing Military whatsoever, but they didn't have any enemies justificate a Military in over a thousand years.
Further, I didn't mean the Military part, but the openly xenophobic and slaving part of the Empire, where worlds were stripped of recources and people.
Palleon: âThe harshest Empires are doomed to failâ.
Imperium of Man: âIs that a challenge?â
With the focus on *law and order* a change in fleet strategy would be a major necessary step, as the Imperial setup is _only_ good for terror by overwhelming devastation, like having a police force composed only of Tanks and APC's.
Basically do the Thrawn reforms, and then have a emphasis on patrol ships to keep _law and order_ - particularly anti pirate operations.
Have the heavy battle fleets kept in reserve near local troublespots, to remind the "bad guys" that there is firepower waiting if they want to push it.
The daily face of the Empire is a fast frigate wth hyperspace capable fighters [Tie Defenders!] that's main purpose is to ensure the safety of the space lanes and commerce, and to protect planets against raids. When they need backup a Star Destroyer or two drop in, _with a support fleet._
Have the main ship of the line be the coast guard, and have a US fleet do "goodwill" visits when appropriate.
At that point the Empire is seen less as oppressors, but more as police and peacekeepers.
The most important part of keeping the Empire good though is making damn sure that only good people get promoted to power. Having one psycho or corrupt individual in authority can ruin a system or even a sector.
And that's where the Jedi can come in.
Their new role is as secret police/anti corruption watchdog checking on the Empiren itself, to root out the bad imperials.
And they have a free hand for that, they think you're a threat, they can investigate - and with their psychic abilities they will uncover who's bad, especially if they can act unilaterally without the target being tipped off.
[A real world issue with police internal affairs is they often get corrupted themselves, because it's in the best interest of the corrupt to corrupt the watchdog. So if you report a corrupt cop they tip off that cop as to who you are].
They can also be requested to do investigations of local criminal issues, like crime gangs and so forth, maybe even by the general public [basically a petition]. Since they are very good at that, and it gives them a cover to look at any troublesome Imperial while they are there "we're here checking on a kidnapping ring, nothing elseâŠ".
It would be a stable system, as long as the Jedi keep their perspective and don't become ossified like they did under Yoda.
Who knows? If Palpatine had never occurred or his plan had been foiled early, the Jedi under a new Grandmaster after Yoda may have become more proactive in saving the Republic from itself.
0:59 I like how you say that even though America used Mass weapons of destruction in war. But if you think the empire is evil thatâs just youâre opinion itâs fine. And this is just my opinion. Ps thanks for the video.
You meant the Empire right?
He's right, if might = wrong and absolute might = inherent evil, that's pretty damming of the US
The nukes were a last resort thing for WWII. The USA was attacked before they entered the war. Pearl Harbor. At the end, the US told Japan to surrender, they said no. Boom. Will you surrender? No. Boom again. We surrender. Invading Japan would have been much harder and probably more lives, citizen and soldier, American and Japanese, would have been lost. So, nukes aren't evil, but that doesn't make them good either. All weapons are neutral, and the intents of the people who wield the weapons are what is good or evil.
Christian Bryan thatâs debatable. Itâs possible the fact that Russia was coming to invade Japanese held territory scared them into surrender, not our bombs. The Japanese hated us so much, that two nukes probably wasnât going to stop them.
Christian Bryan There was an invasion plan in the works: Operation Downfall.
"Outlawed slavery, women, and aliens"
Ah yes, the Lad's Imperium.
I would have liked to see Dukoo running the Empie along with his Sith army he wanted in the Revenge of the Sith novel.
Have you ever thought about doing a battle between the executor and city destroyer
âIs a good Galactic Empire possible?â
*nominates Padmé or Leia as Empress*
May I recommend the fanfiction Heirs to the Empire, which features Empress Padme Naberrie Skywalker Vader?
Inb4 watching the whole vid: I consider it much like the Empire in the Inheritance Cycle, the groundworks and the governmental system are incredibly sound and effective, there are reasonable and effective laws, and in a way it would've been considered "perfect" considering other forms of governments, as with the Galactic Republic and the events leading to the Clone Wars fittingly describes its problems. However the greatest problem with the Galactic Empire are the _people_ who are running it. Egotistical, Racist, Fascist, _idiotic,_ raised from high standing families or those who swear such utter loyalty to the Emperor that they suspect and grow jealous of everyone who so much as stands out or does something beneficial, there are *_very_* few people who would actually be trusted and reliable upon in such a corrupted government.
Refer to Emperor TTS for further effective government rules, he knows what's up and how shit should fly.
In the traditional American school of political thought, at least, non-democracies have that as an inherent flaw. If autocratic power does not corrupt the leader (often a big "if"), you still have to deal with the kinds of people who will seek that autocratic power. Can a well-meaning autocrat keep those corrupt people away from power? Maybe. But what about when they die? Autocracies are prone to very messy transitions. Additionally, even if there is a good autocrat, the people who disagree with them have no outlet for that disagreement other than violence. Maybe mass protest. But because autocrats have limited ways to appease angry citizens compared to democracies (as the citizens have no buy-in), they are naturally inclined towards force to handle unrest, which bends them towards "evil" and often backfires.
Democracies are simultaneously idealistic and realistic - they are built on great hopes that people are responsible and that the government can make most everyone happy, but understand (unlike most "good autocracies", which work on paper but not in practice) that populations are made up of very different people and that an unaccountable leader (which is what an autocrat is) is, because of human nature, at a very high risk of corruption. They account for this not only with elections and the separation of powers, but with frequent transitions of power to both avoid autocrats and instill the mindset that a leader is a temporary employee of the people, not the people's master.
In summary, democracies are much less prone to corruption than "good autocracies" because democracies are actually realistic about human nature.
@@michaelramon2411 Democracy is mob rule. Which makes it just as bad as an autocracy. A constitutional republic has proven to work for long periods of time until it needs to have the fat trimmed.
@@michaelramon2411 and yet they still can fall just about as hard. Once again to point back at the Galactic Republic, and making a mention over to the American politics before one side went absolute apeshit over itself. Over the years they had good leaders and Congress but by now thats long since past and there's the same level of corruption as you've pointed into the autocratic system. Personally ive noted that the more immortal types of leaders tend to do a bit better in literature, gaming and a few shows/movies on youtube and tv.
I was the thinking the leader-system of this âGood Empireâ would probably be similar to the Anglo-Saxon Witan and Naboo. An Emperor or Empress would rule for his/her entire life, but when they died, the member worlds would all _vote_ from a selection of the most powerful people in the Galaxy. This would mean democracy was upheld (as it would mean if the Emperor/Empressâ heir was horrible, they wouldnât be put into power), but it would still be autocratical
What if the High Charity Defense Fleet fought the Imperial Fleet of Endor (you can bring in High Charity and the Death Star 2)
Looks like high charity is dead then
In legends the empire eventually had their own jedi the imperial knights.
In the very early treatments of SW back in the 1970s, the problem was more "the later corrupt emperors" and the empire itself wasn't inherently bad, and the Jedi coexisted with it quite easily. Think the Samurai in Edo era Japan as a loose basis of comparison.
It depends of whether you have a benevolent or malevolent Emperor, how far you're willing to take militarization and using force to enforce the law, whether or not there's still a functional senate that can give the people a voice, and how the culture affects what kind of people the subjects grow up to become.
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The Empire are the good guys and they did nothing wrong.
If it was Grand Admiral Thrawn, Pelleon, and Darth Vader instead of Emperor CUNT-tatine.
Suck it.
WE WERE JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS! is not an excuse.
Alderan would still be a planet if there werent soo many terrorist on it at that time.
@@JeanLucCaptain >Implying that excuses are needed.
Well said.
The EMPIRE did *NOTHING* WRONG
some would say the empire was good all this time
If it was Grand Admiral Thrawn and Darth Vader instead of Emperor CUNT-tatine.
I wouldn't mind.
Yeah and those people are stupid enough to think facism (aka totalitarianism)would work in real life. Hint hint look at history; it doesnt.
@@jameskosusnik1102 Plenty of fascist regimes have lasted at least a while on Earth, and,I mean, no fascistic government has ever taken over the entire world. The Empire had control over the entire galaxy, so it's kinda incomparable.
I feel like fascism can "work" for the people on top so long as the vast majority are suffering and divided. The Empire failed in the "divided" aspect. They tried to keep humans and non-humans at odds, but it wasn't enough.
My point is that fascism can "work," it just isn't GOOD. Something can work and still be morally awful.
@@jackrutledgegoembel5896 If your standards of a "working" system means lasting for as Long as possible...
Then by that metric Soviet Communist States are more effective than Fascist States.
Even the Fascist states after ww2 such as in Spain and Latin America lasted for a few decades before succumbing to *overwhelming* grassroots Opposition cultivated by their Left in the 1980s.
Because what do ya know... Blind Nationalism and Patriotism did jack shit for the economy and living standards. As such regimes do nothing about it.
Fascist states in their economics are *inherently Capitalist.* When such a system is in Crisis the Far-Right Reactionaries comes in to protect it by any violent means necessary, until the people realize just how shitty authoritarianism is for a quality life and rebel.
@Jason Buford they have been, by and large, mixed economies just like ours. Nazi Germany was incredibly opposed to actual socialism (they jailed labor organizers, communists, socialists, anarchists - the Left in general)
I need only look to my past Stellaris playthroughs to know that 'good' galactic empires are the only kind that exist!
Well, there's the Empire of the Hand. The other close thing was the Empire under Grand Admiral Pelleaon. He was a very good leader and kept the Empire running at the seams.
"What if the Empire WASN'T evil?"
Well, I mean, it's not, but do carry on with the video
Under Grand Admiral Thrawn or Pelleon, then that's a deal.
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 You had me at Pellaeon
rule by sith usnt the best
What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck
Presumably they'd rapidly begin to advance faster as a civilisation, faster than we've seen in anything so far. It's basically a Type I K-civilisation learning how to play around with Type II or III technology and in doing so, they'd be advancing faster but perhaps not understanding everything they were discovering in complete detail. They'd have an extremely powerful spearhead of Forerunner ships they still couldn't fully operate because of the literally alien nature of the technology.
They'd have to be hidden somewhere for a while and studied extensively by the likes of ONI, Halsey and Cortana/other AI. A better idea of how they work would be gleaned far more quickly from, say Cortana, because of the experience Cortana had with Forerunner structures from HALO:CE onward. It would help to understand how to operate them (and if the geas of the Librarian was able to help, that process would be consummately easy for them - and the thing is, she'd help, because the Librarian was pro-human)
The UNSC would be holding the line against further Covenant forces, while casualties mounted, in the short term; though longer term, the UNSC could give the Covenant a huge shock with not only the Forerunner ships, but a host of upgraded UNSC hulls and new UNSC, Forerunner-Covenant inspired designs. Sort of like what happened with the UNSC _Infinity_ but on a much bigger scale. That said, this would take a lot of time and resources, and there'd be no guarantee that the Covenant wouldn't somehow get in on the act after finding out about this. If, however, the UNSC _did_ keep it safe, keep it secret ( -and yes I did say that in Gandalf's voice lol- ) then the UNSC might end up (a year later? Two years later?) with a couple of squadrons of absolutely devastating Forerunner-inspired warships (also with some Covenant inspirations)
All this assumes that the Flood sat by and did nothing about any of this, though if humanity suddenly started mastering slipspace technology _far_ superior to anything the UNSC or even the Covenant had, then the Gravemind would probably pay attention to that in earnest. The strategically wise thing to do with a smaller, more elite force of ships like that, would be to give them to special forces like the SPARTANS and Marines to really hit back against the Covenant in stunning naval actions that cripple their offensive fleets. Maybe they'd learn how the Forerunners used to combine the firepower of multiple warships and fire devastating blasts of energy at a target? Maybe that could be used to devastating effect against Covenant supercarriers and maybe even High Charity itself (?)
I think one of the biggest wins for the UNSC here is the sheer improvement in slipspace mastery that is offered by even basic Forerunner warships. They are hilariously technologically superior to anything the Covenant has - and the Covenant was considered far beyond the UNSC in slipspace tech and capability, being centuries ahead of them. This would undoubtedly give the edge to the UNSC in naval combat.
How long before that kind of slipspace technology would find itself retrofitted into half the UNSC's naval assets? How long before the UNSC starts outrunning, outflanking and outsmarting the Covenant _on a regular basis_ and start to feel as desperate as the UNSC did in it's struggle against *both* the overwhelming firepower and technology of the Covenant in the real timeline?
It'd stem the tide and possibly contain the Covenant further away from Earth. Depending that is, on how quickly the UNSC can get the Forerunner ships into the fleet, and the human-built copies that they inspire.
The UNSC _Infinity_ would be even more impressive than it already became, borrowing far more specific features, more directly from the Forerunner warships acquired in this alternative scenario.
It would be like the Tudor Navy of Elizabethan England being given HMS _Dreadnought_ 1906.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1906)
Absolute game changer - almost to an extent they'd *barely even know what the fuck to do with it* seriously. Like, think about it - the Tudor era English looking at HMS _Dreadnought_ would a) probably think it was some devil-beast from the depths b) absolutely lose their shit c) probably lose their minds once it started demo-firing all 10 of it's 12 inch calibre main guns.
At that point the Edwardian British Royal Navy's finest, may as well have been a spaceship from Mars, for the bedazzled and befuddled Tudor era English, in this vacuum of logic scenario.
Considering their most impressive warships were things like the Mary Rose en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose which funnily enough has outlived HMS _Dreadnought_ though admittedly it spent most of the past few centuries at the bottom of the Solent Channel, off Portsmouth, England (where it sank, in 1545, being famously recovered in 1982, now being stored in a special museum in the Portsmouth Historic Dockyards; next to another British naval legend, HMS _Victory_ which would also have frightened the pants off Elizabethan era Englishmen, let alone the ships that evolved from the likes of her)
Mary Rose was at most about 750-800 tonnes fully burthen, fully manned and armed (including with a lot of bronze guns)
Mary Rose was King Henry VIII's pride and joy for a time (until it sank, with the loss of virtually all hands) Her heavy armament was a mix of older-type wrought iron and cast bronze guns, which differed considerably in size, range and design. The large iron guns were made up of staves or bars welded into cylinders and then reinforced by shrinking iron hoops and breech loaded and equipped with simpler gun-carriages made from hollowed-out elm logs with only one pair of wheels, or without wheels entirely. The bronze guns were cast in one piece and rested on four-wheel carriages.
For her day, she was very impressive. A bit of a vanity ship of Henry VIII's (and not the last)
Another example from around Mary Rose's time would be Henry Grace Ă Dieu.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Grace_%C3%A0_Dieu
Not a very modest chap was old Henry VIII, the big, bearded, bonking bombastic badman.
It literally means, "Henry, Thanks be to God".
She was even bigger than Mary Rose, contemporary with her and slightly older (though Mary Rose was debated to have had an equivalent bite as a warship, in her day) The ''Great Harry'' as Henry Grace Ă Dieu was nicknamed by her crew (presumably even zealously religious people back then were like, ''come on dude just call this ship something everyone can remember and write easily'' lol
She was, 1,000 tonnes of Great Carrack, banners and standards flying proud for Henry VIII. It was his flagship. The pride of the old English Royal Navy/Navy Royale as it was once called.
She was built in response to the Scottish equivalent, the Great Michael; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Michael
Point is, anyone of these ships would be like a rowing boat to the raw power and technology of HMS _Dreadnought_ 1906. Considering that the sheer disparity in technology and firepower between HMS _Dreadnought_ and her contemporaries (friend and foe alike) was enough to delineate ships *before* her and ships *like her* in that time, it would be like an alien spaceship floating down and confusing everyone if she just sailed into 1545 and lined up next to Mary Rose. Everyone would be like _what the actual Babu Frik is this_ before thinking Beelzebub had appeared in ship format.
Once she started firing, that'd be game over. HMS _Dreadnought_ being the first of her kind, was ironically the slowest, lightest armed and weakest of her kind in the long run (which led up to monsters like IJN Yamato, the biggest battleship ever made, at over seven times the size of HMS _Dreadnought_ though the British themselves were making Tirpitz sized battleships aka HMS _Vanguard_ when they wanted to)
To the Covenant, the presence of Forerunner warships in UNSC hands, would be as crazy as Tudors being given Dreadnought Battleships. I mean sure it'd be funny to watch but _at what cost_ lol before you know it they'd be making holy wars of gunboat diplomacy on the far side of the world and running headlong into typhoons because they have no idea what they are yet and they sink.
Obviously I'm joking around and the UNSC isn't as paradigmatically (relatively) dumb and primitive as 16th century folks would look trying to operate HMS _Dreadnought_ I mean yeah that flat out isn't fair to ask of them to figure out. It's multiple generations removed and they'd not be privy to the developmental process in between times. Even if they _did_ know the story of how naval technology advanced that far, they'd still *not get the entire picture* because it's just too much to learn, too much to know. As far as they'd be concerned, it may as well have been a devil ship. They'd have no point of reference for how it was even made and they'd potentially be in awe of it, but also shitting their pants, understandably enough.
And of course, HMS _Dreadnought_ in a 1906 setting, would probably feel the same way about HMS _Queen Elizabeth_ [R08] or HMS _Prince of Wales_ [R08] Britain's new supercarriers, once they started flinging F-35B's reigning down like screaming eagles from all angles lol they'd then feel the same way someone on the Mary Rose would if they'd gone after her. It's just how it'd go. Total mismatches.
You can see what I'm saying I'm sure. The Covenant would be sat there acting like the fucking boss of everything and suddenly the UNSC would start making an absolute mockery of them in naval combat. Within weeks of their first deployments, the UNSC could have inflicted staggering damage. It all depends on how many they salvage, how many new ships they build based on them and how great their element of surprise truly is.
P.S - presumably there'd be lessons learnt about Forerunner infantry combat suits and more detail on reverse engineering both these suits and their infantry weapons? Presumably there'd be stocks of weapons on board these things intended for long gone Forerunner crews and Warrior-servants? Right? And once the secrets of the Forerunners start becoming something the UNSC knows a lot about, that is basically game over. Even without all this, the UNSC fought heroically at great cost, and held the Covenant off valiantly (even if, it took a combination of the Flood and in-fighting, to truly throw the fight in such a way as that the UNSC could survive; with a big bit of help from a certain 117)
_With_ these ships? Things would be very different indeed. They'd be a primary target for the envious Covenant, whom would be way more concerned with capturing one to study themselves. It's why it was so important the UNSC stopped the Covenant from getting their claws on these ships; even if it tragically meant having to destroy them. Better that, than all of humanity inevitably being wiped out.
Also note: the possession of these ships and any information records on board them, might help lead the UNSC to lost HALO installations and Shield Worlds in quick succession, gaining a massive edge in the war instantly that way, on top of the plethora of advantages they'd already give them.
That's my take on it, anyway :)
ThePalaeontologist That is the most insanely detailed youtube comment I have ever seen in my life
@@TheWingland *_salutes_* Huzzah!
@@TheWingland p.s - forgot to say; the countdown to the humans of the 26th century *Reclaiming* their rightful place _aka their birthright as the true holders of the Mantle_ will have begun. Having Forerunner warships to help them supercharge through technological developments, would essentially start the process of bringing Humanity back to it's glory days (or at least, something vaguely resembling them)
In the grander scale, I am talking of course, about Ancient Humanity prior to their downfall, 100,000 years before the events in HALO.
In other words...the moment the humans begin unlocking their true potential, is the moment they go full beast mode. It'd just be the beginning - and if they were really clever, they'd go about eradicating the Flood once and for all.
Thrawn and Palleon and Daala. The Triumvirate of Legends
Stellaris is a very good tool for answering questions like these
I don't understand the title of this video. The Galactic Empire are the good guys making a safer and securer society.
Can you be considered 'good' when you destroy planets for no real reason or use slave labor?
@@DavidbarZeus1 Alderan wasn't destroyed for no good reason. They openly ran weapons and funded a left wing terrorists that killed hundreds of thousands in their armed rebellion against a gov't of law and order.
@@raybarry4307 Officially, the Rebels stole the ships and supplies from Alderaan, there was NO evidence from the Imperial side that Alderaan did anything wrong except be negligent with their security. Also, how does a planet with no weapons provide weapons to anyone?
@@DavidbarZeus1 They weren't providing the rebels with Their weps. They were using their planet as a mid way point.
@@raybarry4307 Again, there's no EVIDENCE that anything happened except that the Rebels stole from Alderaan. The Empire can and probably does SUSPECT that Alderaan is letting the thefts happen, but they can't PROVE it, otherwise they would have removed House Organa from power. Besides, the fact remains that destroying a planet to kill a handful of people is still wrong. Or do you think nuking a city to kill a few terrorists is a good idea?
Whoever said the regular empire was evil?
The Emperor
Actually, In the Legends, many people each year FLOCKED to the Imperial Remnant, both human AND alien.
They wanted the stability, jobs and opportunities that were more reliable in the I.R. Than was in the New Republic.
As the Mandolorian says, âThe Empire Builds, the New Republic Destroys.â
Would be interesting to see a scenario were the Jedi are the ones to create an empire of sorts.
We already had a good empire
If it was Grand Admiral Thrawn and Darth Vader instead of Emperor CUNT-tatine.
The STONKS!
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 I fail to see how Thrawn would make the Empire "good." He didn't seem to have any desire for positive public programs or democracy or anything other than winning battles.
@@jackrutledgegoembel5896 Who would you suggest? Not Tarkin or Palpatine though.
Leave Thrawn to manage military affairs.
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 Idk. I feel like the Star Wars galaxy is so massive, there were probably plenty of more competent, charismatic, and altruistic high-profile Imperials we never even hear about.
@@jackrutledgegoembel5896 Thrawn was stuck fighting the Galactic Civil War, what do you expect him to focus on? Point out something FDR did during his last full term that didn't have something to do with WWII
As you said it still wouldn't be a "good empire" but an empire with a good ruler. Any autocratic state is up for being a bit of a picture of rulers personality
Can you do a vs match of Jack coooer from titanfall,Finn from Star Wars,Rookie from Halo,and shepered from Mass Effect
Creating the Death Star doesn't put the Empire beyond saving, for there's places like Mugg Fallow or D'vouran where annihilating the planet with enough force to make it explode twice IS the appropriate response.
And that's the scary aspect of this universe: even a planet killer has a practical use.
You can't make a good version of the Empire without getting rid of everything that makes the Empire the Empire.
More like erase everything that makes Star Wars Star Wars.
Including George Lucasâs black-and-white politics he inserted from his failed script for _Apocolypse Now._
I know this is probably going to be a controversial statement to make, but do give it a moment of consideration. A none-evil empire would, in terms of build and outlook, be rather like the modern USA. An unnecessarily bloated military, proactive "policing" across its perceived sphere of influence, an unwritten but clear social division of elites and none-elites, a tendency to spend massive amounts of tax-payer money on vanity projects for the military-industrial complex. All the while its more affluent or comfortable citizens sit back and praise its virtues with glassy-eyed certainty in its inherent goodness, all the while it massacres scores of foreigners and steals their resources.
And whats more, it used to be a democratic republic, but has been turned into a wealth-based oligarchy.
Seriously, take away the evil space wizard and it's kind of scary how the similarities match up.
@@NightRaven-lh1bf I would have become easier over time.
I would mostly have to disagree with you not on the modern US thing (I do disagree with your assignment of modern America but I donât really want to get into politics) I would agree that a good empire would look like the USA but not the modern one. Hear me out libertarians I would say a good empire would look most like the US in the George Washington John Adams presidencies. Ok so this going to need to be explained.
Firstly: A strong central government, the federalists and this empire would both support a big central government but not the huge executive powers the emperor had in the main Star Wars timeline. I could see things like a big military, national banks, definitely federal rights over states (planets/sectors) rights and even sedition acts yes in the late 1700s America did in fact pass a sedition act limiting free speech.
Second: a strong military. Both are newly founded America and this new empire would probably spend a lot of money into the military and it especially in the empires case would make sense since many criminals and separatists would be roaming around your territory and a strong military would need to put them down. As the video mentioned I could see the Tarkin doctrine could still be used but with less killing of civilians.
I could probably list more things but this list is getting long so I will keep it here
@@CrownVictoria-zl6dh If you feel the need to disagree with me, kindly donât then tell me that youâre unwilling to explain why. The why is the only thing that matters.
Works for me!
It's no secret Lucas criticized America many times using the Empire/Republic. It's especially obvious in certain episodes of the Clone Wars. There's an episode where Padme gives a speech about the Republic neglecting funds for social programs and basic services in favor of more military spending. Here in America, our politicians constantly tell us we can't afford things like universal healthcare while increasing defense spending every year by billions. Its probably the least subtle nudge at America. And what happens to the clones right as the Clone Wars ends? They're discarded as quickly as they were accepted, no longer useful for the Empire. Most of them are homeless while the Empire spends more money than ever to keep order on the worlds they occupy. Now ask a veteran how their treated once the American war machine is through with them
I would love to see a story where the Rebels are pure evil and the Empire are the good guys. It be crazy cool.
Even if such an empire started out with good intentions, I doubt it would remain so for very long. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I think power tends to go where it is needed. In order to centralize it and keep it centralized, you have to be tyrannical. So I agree with you. :)
I like the edited version, absolute power reveals . Someone whoâs not a very good persons will revel themeself eventually to be power hungry. But because itâs very very hard to see someoneâs true character until that point even fundamentally good people canât be trusted with absolute power. I also wonder if power hungry people are more likely to be adept at concentrating it compared to regular people⊠maybe thatâs why we think it always corrupts?
You say this like the empire wasnât evil. All good empirical citizens know the empire did nothing wrong
I am aware that this is just a joke or probably from the sub-reddit r/empiredidnothingwrong.
*Sure...opinions are opinions.*
as a good empirical citizen, i must doubt the existence of evil as i cannot receive sense perceptions of it
@@Bigglesworthicus You already are.
You should make a video about the Christmas Special
That depends. An loose empire where local rule are the norm could work. In that setup you would have an empire that work similarly to the federation in Star Trek. Super weapons would be restricted to use against super enemies (think the borg in the case of the Star Trek federation).
Yes, this is the Imperial Security Bureau, right? Thereâs this Canadian, Doge Officer who is referring to our Empire as if it needs to be corrected from some âevilâ course, please arrest this man!
You ISB fucks can kiss my black hole!
I never given this any thought before, because theyâre good
If it was Grand Admiral Thrawn and Darth Vader instead of Emperor CUNT-tatine.
It's them instead of a manipulative Sith lord.
What is the live action footage from? It's so impressive!
Judge a state not by how they treat the first among them but by how they treat the least.
"I am the Senate!"
not yet
@@NightRaven-lh1bf "Now witness the power of this fully armed and operational battle station! Commander. You may fire when ready."
Surely Thrawn would be the true good leader of the empire? A tactical genius whose goal was to make sure the galaxy was prepared for the Vong threat. He also brought the best out of those people around him.
Woah, that was a very good video. At the start, I was kind of thinking 'Isn't this a contradiction in terms. When has there ever been a good Empire in history?' But it got me to think, really think.
At the end of the day, the Jedi are a military organisation, a bit of a weird one because they try to avoid conflict, but their setup is that of a military. Because of this, the Empire would've needed a way to say 'hold your horses mate' if the Jedi were about to do something stupid, but the Jedi would also have needed a way of saying 'nope, don't be daft' to the Empire as well. It's a balancing act between independence and oversight.
As for Pellaeon's old man monologue, he's right. Think in history, the Empires that have treated their subjects best have lasted longer than the ones that've been an iron fist. Also, shooting the lunatics that like empires, that's a very good idea.
Could you maybe do more factions compared videos? I really enjoyed those and so did many others
The Empire wasn't evil! That's all just rebel propaganda!
"What if the Empire WASN'T EVIL? " ... But the Empire ISN'T evil, where are you going with this?
#PalpatineDidNothingWrong
#AlderaanWasAnInsideJob
Fuck CUNT-tatine.
The Galactic Empire could have been noble if it wasn't governed by him!
Gooood
You've brought peace justice and security to your new empire
Cool topic
Iâd rather have an âempireâ that promotes liberation and equality with a strong military. Freedoms are very important for the masses to be happy and consent to governance.
so like, if the new republic was actually competent
So an "Empire of Liberty" huh? Say are you an American?
What do you mean evil? The empire did nothing wrong.
If it was Grand Admiral Thrawn instead of Emperor CUNT-tatine.
Go fo it.
Okay fascist
@@jameskosusnik1102 The empire was a Unitary Constitutional Monarchy for the majority of it's history.
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 Palpatine brought a stability to a galaxy which for the longest time lacked it. You can consider the empires ways harsh but you can't deny it brought results.
@Adrock 99 Long live the Empire!
What are those awesome battle scenes in the first half of the video from?
Never mind I found it, "Battle of the Dreadnoughts," uploaded on this very channel, lol!
Could you do a breakdown of the eldar from wh40k and if humanities heading down the same path they are?
Look to the Fel Empire for a "good" empire.
3:00 Having a past* history of slavery, racism and misogynyâŠ
_Um, have you looked at the United States, and indeed most if not all of the Western democracies?_
*Actually a good point, America is currently proving that becoming a good Empire from a history of a evil Empire (ask the Native Americans and the kidnapped Africans and theâŠ) can be difficult and there's the risk of sliding backwards.
_cue angry political debate belowâŠ_
And remember, if leaving a diatribe, don't forget to Upvote this comment, otherwise people won't check out your astute truths in this thread. đ
Very good point
Sees a video about *Star Wars:*
First reaction: *"Orange man bad. orange man bad."*
@Jason Buford But political nihilism is no solution.
â@@VGLoungeif stating an objective fact about history offends you this much you might not be fit for CZcams
What's the video with the two ships going at it in the background called?
hello there. i've been looking forward to this video.
The Empire did nothing wrong
If it was Grand Admiral Thrawn instead of Emperor CUNT-tatine.
I. Am. Fucking. In.
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani Not for me! Emperor CUNT-tatine was not fit to be a leader of the Galactic Empire!
*Well then you are lost*
@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 You traitor, I will assure your punishment.