Why are there no poles at modern sports stadiums?
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- Modern sports stadiums no longer have poles. I will tell you why. Get the NEW Lawn Mower 3.0 by @Manscaped for 20% OFF + Free Shipping with code Fivepoints at bit.ly/2RIgQmk !
Yes, even old Yankee stadium had poles. Fenway Park and Wrigley still do. But none of the new stadiums do. Absolutely none.
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off to a strong start, criticizing the most durable stadium in history for crumbling after 2000 years lol
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And finishes by insulting Eagles Fans. Ass.
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The thing is, the only reason the Coliseum (Flavian Amphitheater) is in the shape it is now is because Italian rulers around it took great quantities of the coliseums’ concrete for building material, as well as fires and earthquakes. If it wasn’t for that, it would be in almost perfect condition today.
2:40 "When you look at the Colosseum now, it's crumbling". The Colosseum in Rome was built 1940 years ago. I've been there twice, and they still let thousands of tourist wonder around in it unescorted, I would like to see the condition of any modern stadium in the United States in 1940 years.
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The Colosseum was fine as long as games were held there, which, per request of the Pope at the time, were ended under the rule of the Ostrogothic King of Italy, Flavius Theodoric. Upon falling into disuse, it was turned into a storage yard for the Commune di Roma, which by then had depopulated from a high of over a half million in the Pax Romana to about 30,000. Later on, stones were taken from it for use in other building projects in and around Roma, the Colosseum didn't fall apart, it was partly disassembled and/or demolished. There was a disastrous fire in AD 217 which took out the upper roof and canopy structure, it was not completely rebuilt until AD 240. The building did suffer from earthquakes, Theodosius II had it renovated after a bad quake in 443. Since the Church didn't want it to be restored to its original purpose, another earthquake in 1349 which caused the partial collapse which was never restored.
Only reason it still stands is because it’s thick as fuck. Nowadays we try to use as little materials as needed.
I have been in Herculaneum, which like Pompei was covered under lava. It is better preserved. It was a small roman city, mabe 5000 inhabitants. The quality of the construction work was stunning. I whould go so far to say, that the houses where better built than many buildings today. That was the first time I really understood, that great civilisation perished, and why the time after that is called the dark ages. Humanity reached hights in the past, only to fall back to lower levels of developement through war and diseases.
I saw a UCLA/USC game there years ago......oh wait.! You mean........
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''The New National Stadium in Warsaw has been closed down after the discovery of a major design flaw: No matter where you sit you are always behind a Pole...'
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Unexpected? I scrolled down to the comment section just to read jokes about the polish.
I had to sit behind a family of Poles and an actual concrete pole, in the old Chicago Stadium years ago. When they built the new hockey stadium, I only had to sit behind Poles.
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If you ever been to Globe Life Park, you’ll quickly realize why no retro style stadium ever brought the poles back.
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The right field home run porch is still a pretty cool design feature though. Makes the throwback more authentic I I quess.
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I don't even go to baseball games, but here I am watching a video about poles.
Go to baseball games, nerd
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This is becoming more of a channel about stadiums. I have absolutely not objections to that. Keep up the good work 👌🏽
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i took four years of civil engineering classes, and this is way more interesting than any of my professors ever were.
Lol
Such a surprise. Civil engineering classes are usually SO entertaining.
@@pathutchison9866 sometimes those classes are given by retired engineers that only know how to teach old school with a very monotonous style while rejecting 3D models because of inaccuracy but they just dont want to learn how to use them
Then you should be as annoyed as I am that he calls them poles and not columns.
@@momoProjects funniest part was when he called it a "vertical beam"
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Know why there aren’t any more poles in MLB stadiums?
Ever have an obstructed view in Fenway. Cheap price, discount vision
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I went to a cubs game and you couldn’t see the damn home plate
minor points to an excellent vid:
The Romans DID make wood stadiums... its just that the concrete ones are the ones that lasted. In fact the worst stadium catastrophes ever were not the various horrific disasters like at Hillsborough or Bradford City. Not by a long shot. There was a wooden stadium made for gladiator games just outside of rome (Fidenae) that collapsed just about exactly 2000 years ago which apparently killed a minimum of 20,000 people.
Also, the fact that the Colisuem is crumbling and doesn't look much like it did almost 2000 years ago is certainly at least partially due the fact that the marble overlays were long ago stripped from the facility. The fact that so many roman arenas and coliseums are still around and basically structurally sound is a testament to the lasting power of concrete.
Last time I was this early edp was still employed
He went to go get his ass kicked
And the toilets were still usable.
Wait, he unemployed?
@@johncunningham5027 He was warned that if he didn't go in the day of the Eagles Seahawks game, he'd be terminated.
He went to Philly to watcg the game anyways
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Can the engineers also get rid of the tall person who always ends up in front of me please.
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As long as requests are being made, could something be done about buying a beer and paying an amount as though you getting two six packs?
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The intro answered all our questions. Then FivePoints gave us a history lesson.
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Comiskey Park was supposed to be the first stadium without poles but it added to the cost so like the rest of the stadiums of the time had poles.
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As a visitor of Yankee Stadium and Memorial Stadium in the 70s, it sucked because there was no easy way to know if you had an obstructed view seat. Memorial Stadium started putting it on the tickets in the 80’s.
The good things about poles is they brought the upper deck relatively close to the field.
Exactly. I mean look at the comparison of old and new Yankee Stadium, the upper deck is much closer in the old one. With poles you get a few bad seats in the stadium, but all of the second deck seats are much better.
Definitely one of the cool designs of Century Link Field, home of the Seattle Seahawks. A narrow lot necessitated a smaller stadium footprint, so they made two huge bridge-like arches running parallel to the sidelines way up high that essentially suspend the nosebleeds up on top of the terrace and half the lower bowl. Really puts them close to the field and makes opposing players feel like the hostile fans are stacked up right over them. Curved metal roof up in there really reflects that crowd noise straight onto the field.
They did manage to remove the support beams on old Yankee Stadium in the mid 70s and extended the grandstand by several rows.
At the winter classic this year, the people sitting next to me had the great view of a pole
You probably should t have that out when you’re in a stadium.
The most random video I’ve watched, yet I love it
I actually kinda like the poles, it gives the stadium a nostalgia feeling and a remembering of the good old days
As a civil engineering student I really appreciate these structural analysis videos
I like your stadium vids. Keep it up!
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I actually sat by eagles fans in Minneapolis, they were really calm and friendly, they were mostly quiet because they lost 38-20, but when it seemed close they were not as annoying as most people think, as long as it's not in Philadelphia you will be fine.
I'll never forget the time the family went to the old Comiskey Park to see the White Sox and instead we were directly behind a pole. I mean it was literally six inches in front of us and made it impossible to see the game whatsoever. I can't believe they placed seats there.
Years ago (and I wish I knew the source) I read that Charles Comiskey opted for the poles in Old Comiskey's design, to save money, even though the cantilever stadium design was offered. Just think of how Old Comiskey would have been loved if it had not had those girders sticking up all over the place! I loved the park as it was, but you took a chance when you bought tickets. I had your experience or close to it several times. Yuck! Same at Wrigley and so many others. And they could have prevented it! Cheapskates!
I liked Wrigley when i went to watch a game there...it did help that i was sat in the wings near 3rd base and had a great view of the home plate. Got a great view of Rizzo hitting to beautiful HRs as well
Very Well Done! You did your Homework! very informative. Structures 101
I remember going to a Columbus Clippers game at the old stadium in Columbus when I was younger. My dad and I went to a "dime a dog" game and ,you guessed it, we ended up sitting right behind a pole. Luckily I was just there for the cheap hotdogs.
I used to go to the old Yankee Stadium (when Mantle was still playing) and, being a kid, I just figured the girders were part of the game.
No way! My neighbor is from Poland and he's always attending New York Giants' games! There are more poles in the crowd too!
I’ll save you 7 mins and 49 seconds: Steel reinforced concrete.
Thanks. This shit is way too long. The stupid sponsor ad doesn't help. 🤦♂️
...and the cantilevers. 6:30
Thanks for summing it up, couldn't be bothered to watch the whole thing.
Actually it’s mostly cantilevers
And counterbalances
Waiting on the xfl and aaf stadium reviews
A little late for the AAF...
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The old orange bowl in miami had those same poles. I took many pictures of the stadium before demolition.
Ebbet’s Field was infamous for this; even including seats directly behind poles.
Great vid! I chuckled when you said "vertical beam" though.. aka a "column"
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"How" is a much more interesting question than "why"
Everybody gangsta until the stadium collapses
Waiting on that tps video in an hour.
It was such a pain sitting behind a pole during a wingnuts game at Lawrence Dumont. So glad I don’t have to do that at modern stadiums
CZcams: So how many stadium videos are you gonna make?
FPV: Yes
Cloud you do an entire video on the Polo grounds? I am obsessed with that stadium and I'd love to see your perspective ect
Id love to if there is enough pics/information. My dad grew up in north jersey a Dodgers fan he would tell me how odd the Polo Grounds were. Imagine if they played there today.
Yeah exactly. So crazy lol
The astros cheated
They still would have won even IF they hadn't.
8thsinn you can’t say that, they won both the ALCS and World Series in 7 games. No way they would’ve won game 5 if they didn’t cheat
Actually in baseball cheating only allows you a greater chance of winning based on statistical odds. You should never assume in baseball. There is no clock. Who's to say they wouldn't have scored more if they hadn't cheated? The beauty of Baseball is the game resets itself after every pitch.
Still would’ve won. I mean look at game 7...
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Cleveland's FirstEnergy stadium still uses polls on the 2nd deck of the western end of the stadium to hold up the Tennessee shaped scoreboard.
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Ahhhh...reminds me of my first game at Wrigley Field. We sat behind a beam and the overhang of the upper deck obstructed the view too. It was still a magical experience tho.
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Fans are also farther away from the field now with the elimination of the poles. Example, the closest seat in upper deck at Guaranteed rate field is farther away the farthest seat ever was at Old Comiskey. I think it same at United Center vs old Chicago stadium
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Would have thought seat geek would sponsor this with their feature to see what the view looks like from the seat, allowing you to avoid poles.
to be fair, the Colosseum is 1,950 years old. Sports stadiums these days are replaced around the 30 year mark
Would love to see a video of the closest football stadiums in the US
I still like the intimidating, cavernous upper deck of old Yankee Stadium. The new stadium just isn't the same.
I don't like new Yankee Stadium either.
In fact I still like Pre -1975 YS the best - poles and all - the house that Ruth built.
A seat geek plug would have tied into this video perfectly
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Good video, but a few flaws in the explanations. I'll give my few cents:
1. As others have noted, the Colosseum was a monument of engineering, and has stood to this day mostly intact. It appears "crumbling" not just because of the ravages of time and natural disasters, but also because subsequent builders pilfered its concrete to use on other projects. To give a good gauge of the immense durability of Roman concrete, one only needs to look at the Pantheon, which was built only 50 years after the Colosseum and remains intact (possibly due to the fact that it was a more hallowed and revered structure, and was used as a Catholic church after the fall of the Roman Empire).
2. Cantilevers are possible only if the cantilevered section could provide both compressive and tensile forces. The weight of the structure naturally pulls the structure down, so tensile forces will be trying to pull apart the top of the cantilever. In order for the cantilever to remain in one piece, the top portion needs to be strong in tension to resist the tensile forces. At the same time, the bottom of the cantilever resists compressive forces to counteract the tensile forces at the top.
3. Concrete is very strong in compression, but weak in tension. To construct a cantilever from one material type only, you need to use a material strong in both compression and tension, like steel or wood.
4. However, you can make composite materials that can use the strengths of various materials and structural orientations to make a structural material that is strong in both tensile and compressive strength, as well as in various load directions. Reinforced concrete is an example, using concrete for compressive strength and steel reinforcement for tensile strength. Plywood is another example, using thin plies of wood glued in alternating 90 degree layers to be strong throughout in all directions.
5. Because the Colosseum and other Roman concrete structures rely on compressive strength only, they have often lasted for almost 2000 years or more. This is especially true for structures made in a dome or circular shape, as these will resist earthquake forces more than other structures that could only resist forces in one direction.
6. Based on our material technology today, reinforced and pre-stressed concretes are unlikely to last as long as the great Roman concrete structures. That is, if they are placed under any significant tensile load. For reinforced concrete, this is due to the presence of steel, which rusts. In any climate except the warmer drier climates, water will eventually get into cracks forming in the concrete and attack the steel. The steel will eventually rust, and the reinforced concrete structure will eventually fail with any tension.
7. The reason that bare steel beams is not used as much in stadiums nowadays to support structures is due to its propensity to rust and crumble. Steel requires periodic maintenance, which includes painting and re-painting all areas where any bare steel is exposed. Reinforced concrete reduces this maintenance by covering the steel reinforcement under concrete, but is not foolproof or permanent (see point 6 above).
8. In addition to paint, fireproofing needs to be applied to steel because it loses significant structural strength and stability above a certain temperature (see WTC during 9/11). That's another item to maintain and inspect. Reinforced concrete, on the other hand, requires no such maintenance other than to ensure there is enough concrete still covering the steel reinforcement.
9. One final note. Wood is making a comeback in large structures nowadays as "mass timber". A popular type of "mass timber" is the CLT, which basically consists of 2x4 sections glued together in different orientations to form a large square block section. Unlike thinner lumber sections like 2x4s, the outer layers of "mass timber" will char and form a fireproof section that will protect the rest of the inner wood from burning while the whole "mass timber" section maintains its structural strength during a fire.
What a long reply. Can't believe I read it all, but then again, I can, because it was full of interesting information. Thank you. I've wondered for many years if a method could be used in stadiums to eliminate the need for poles without huge expense.
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Thanks for the reply, and you're welcome! I can't believe I wrote all of that, but my writing here was surprisingly good even on a second read. My writing often tends to be long-winded and not concise enough, but this essay was actually fine. 😅
I wrote this two years ago, and since then, we now have a good example of the limits of reinforced concrete in wet environments from the Miami condo collapse from a year ago. To reiterate, reinforced concrete is always vulnerable to any water intrusion attacking the steel reinforcement within. That's why reinforced concrete structures will never last as long as the non-reinforced Roman concrete structures.
@@urbananalrapist You did a great job explaining the strength of Roman vs. reinforced. I appreciated it, since I am not well educated about this subject. By the way, I was only being snarky about the length of your reply. It was long only by CZcams standards, but certainly well worth reading. English is a horribly cumbersome language at best.
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No problem, I appreciate your support! I try to educate on subjects I know about, and try to learn about subjects I'm not well-versed at.
I'm aware of how wordy my writing can be. I often get a reply or thumbs-up for something I wrote years ago, and revisit what I wrote. Sometimes I go "dang, I am just droning on and on here". My default is towards wordiness, so I almost always re-read what I just wrote, restructure sentences, and cut out fat.
But this essay was pretty inspired and fairly clean writing, Also, I used numbering as a way to help break up the essay, haha.
And I totally agree about the English language. It's not a particularly elegant language. I marvel at truly good writers who can make their points emphatically yet tersely.
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The poles disappeared at the cost of upper decks being set back so far back from the field that not one upper deck in the league is worth sitting in.
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Wow the old yankee stadium was a lot different when it was first built. Renovations in the 70s changed it a lot
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In Detroit at the old Tiger Stadium obstructed view tickets were sold at a reduced price.
This video should've been sponsored by seat geek
In the old Yankee Stadium, the upper deck seats were closer to the field.
“F them poles” - FPV 2020
Yeah the rain is more of a problem now though. The roof covers much less.
To designa stadium has always been one of my dream projects as a civil engineer. It takes a lot of headhaches just to design a building... imagine a stadium which is not just the roof. Big foundation is also needed and if its bad soil a special structure is needed which most of the time costs more to build than the main structure so it's a very fun world
Imagine being Santiago Calatrava and getting carte blanche to make whatever building you want.
Had to look up carte blanche :P but yeah normally stadium project don't go through because of the main design. If it's a very complex arquitectural design, structural designers will charge a very step price since figuring the details and the main functions of the structure will take a lot of models for it to be considered safe against seismic, wind and dead load effects according to local and international norms. That's why PNC Park in Pittsburgh and Oracle Park are two of my favorate stadiums since they're close to water and the engineering it took to contain all of that water pressure must have been fascinating
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In the early years of the San Francisco MLB park (then Pac Bell Park, now Oracle Park), they had small solid sheet metal rails in front of some of the seats that were awful because from them you could not see the field at all without standing up...and the ushers were firm about not letting you stand because then the others above you couldn't see. They were advertised as obstructed view tickets, but they literally blocked 7/8 of your sight and were not worth anything at all. Then they tried replacing the metal with clear plastic and leaving the frames, but it was no better because the view was still blocked some by the frame and the plastic not only got dirty but distorted the view as well. Like trying to watch through dirty glasses that were not your prescription. I think in 2004 or 2005 finally got rid of them and all seats are now unobstructed.
Why did you not mention the drawback? The rise of the nose bleed seats? Those who got seats in front of the poles were practically right next to the field and since most games were not sold out, one could argue to average fan of the average game had better views than in modern stadiums.
Poles were not a problem. The seat got you into the park and after the game started - you could move into a better seat.
If someone sat there then you just found another one.
I've been to games at Candlestick Park and sat behind poles there too.
Awesome video. Contrary to popular belief, gladiator games in the Roman Empire rarely ended in death, and if it did happen, it was usually by complete accident. At the time, gladiators were trained by entertainment companies, and the owners didn't want them to die because it was costly to train a replacement. Also, the games back then were their version of the WWE, purely for entertainment. I took a Roman civilization class in college and Adam Ruins Everything has a great video on it.
Yes, Gladiators were expensive :)
It actually is similar to owners of pro-sports teams. I'd love to know who was the Roman Al Davis 😅
a cantilever is a structural element thats fixed at one end, and free at the other end.
Please do a video on old nhl arenas
Maple Leaf Gardens, the former home of the Toronto Maple Leafs, didn't use poles and pillars for its design either, despite being built in 1931.
The trick with the Gardens is that the entire bowl of seating works as a flying buttress, giving support to the exterior walls. The 4 corners of the building then work as arches to hold up the roof, giving the building its iconic domed appearance and high ceiling.
This didn't change even after a renovation in the '60s added a second mezzanine at the north and south sides of the arena, although it did block out the entrance windows that provided natural sunlight, which was rectified with additional lighting.
Conn Smythe, the Leafs owner, designed it this way to both build it quickly in time for the next hockey season [it broke ground and opened only 6 months apart] and because he didn't want to repeat the same mistakes that led to all the obstructed seating at the old Boston Garden. The only downside was that seating placement in the upper corners was a bit awkward.
This is a question I didn’t realize I wanted the answer to.
It's a good thing new stadiums don't use poles anymore.
Was about to leave and stayed for the ad (/the rest of the video) lol
Wrigley is amazing. Standing there when the cubs won the World Series... I’m telling you.. something I’ll never be able to experience again, even if they win... it wouldn’t be the same
4:26 Why is this so satisfying to watch
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This vid answers a lot of questions
The stands are right on top of each other, that’s why.
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