Umarex H&K VP9 (VFC) - IN-DEPTH REVIEW
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- PLEASE NOTE!
Apparently there has been some changes to this pistol since my review, so you may have to check up on that. For me, I will no longer be purchasing another Umarex vp9 regardless of the updates.
TIME MARKINGS
0 to 0:45 - INTRO (important for asia version vs others)
0:45 - PRICE
1:58 - External notes
6:54 - Deluxe Version notes ********
9:01 - Magazine notes
11:20 - Chrono with 0.2g (green gas)
12:17 - Range Practice
13:15 - Mag dump test
13:42 - Thoughts on the performance
13:42 - Power/fps and notes about the inner barrel specification
14:50 - Range, Accuracy, Explanation of the bbs dropping low
19:05 - Disassemblyh note and discussion
27:33 - Final Thoughts
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Very nice video. I'm impressed with your examination of the internal, I hope I could make such relevant points ^^
I'm also disapointed by my VP9 (Asian deluxe version as well). I owned it for a few months and I'm waiting for the temperature to get a bit higher so I can actually shoot it outdoor and show it on my channel. As far as I'm concerned the finish is great, but that's it. It shots poorly, has little cool down resistance and doesn't work at all when it's cold.
Have you tried to release the magazine without the side and back panels ? On my model, the magazine retention tends to change depending of the panels I have installed on the gun. With no panel, the mag drops freely. It's very tight with the small parts, a bit less tight with the medium parts.
Regarding the nozzle design, I would assume they're trying to make it as large as possible in order to increase the kick of the gun. I think it works very well on the FNS-9 (which as you said has a very similar nozzle), but not so much with the VP9 for some reason. The kick is nice though, but I would assume it greatly increases the gas consumption, which itself I think greatly decreases the cool down resistance and cold resistance of the gun.
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and you know what... now that you mention the panels, it does feel a little different! Mine doesn't seem to drop the magazine freely either way but i can sorta sense what you mean. Quite curious... tbh i opted not to modify the panels since they fit soo snugly, i really didn't want to mess with it.
And the nozzle.. :( makes me want to cry... the ppaper clip thingy is really terrible. :(
best regards,
RS087 (big fan of your channel :)
Well thanks ! Is it the first time I'm commenting one of your video ? That's weird, I should have thanked you before for the video you made on the RWA Agency Arms installation video ; it really helped me figuring out how to put the freaking nozzle spring in place :-P
I watched this a few months ago and was disappointed that you spent 36 minutes reviewing the replica but refused to say how to fix it. I assumed you couldn't. But I'm stubborn and I , like you, really liked the replica and wanted it to work. But it was freezing up on me and venting the mag like crazy. I finally solved it and its not too difficult. However, as I did so much work to it I feel I should outline everything done in case one of those helped.
1. Sand the OD of the tapered nozzle where it fits inside the barrel (slides into battery if you will) This was such a tight fit that I found the CTE of the metal combined with the tight fit of the plastic nozzle meant it would freeze and seal shut such that the blowback would be arrested before it could fully cock the hammer and release the valve on the magazine. Using 1000 grit wet dry sand paper with a bit of oil I wrapped it around the tapered part of the nozzle all the way to the end of the nozzle (about 5-10mm length) and sanded it by twisting the nozzle in it being careful not too break off the feed bar. then press it into battery and it should not stick! But just barely or you get a bad seal. This I believe was THE BIGGEST CAUSE for the freezing and venting of the mags. (at least for mine). Take your time, it took me about 10 minutes of very gentle sanding and test fitting before I got it perfect.
but everything else done is outlined below in case they helped.
2. After about 10-20 mags at a high rate of fire I still see it thinking about freezing up (better than the random 1-4 mags before at a high rate of fire) I use a hot air gun to blow warm air down the magwell through the nozzle to out the barrel to warm it up. just dont get too hot or you deform the magwell. I use my fingers wrapped around the mag well to gauge temperature. Dont burn yourself. 10 mags I feel is on par with almost every other GBB pistol I have (KWA 1911, HICAPA etc).
3. Replace the piston with an antifreze piston. You can lathe your own or buy one. I dont know if these work that well but mine was upgraded and that alone didnt fix it worth beans.
4. sand the top leading edge of the square section of the barrel block/chamber where it pops up just under the cut in the slide. sand the slide out too, or file. taper both of these so they cannot snag on each other. this sometimes caused a malfunction if the slide were compressed down a little or really cold.
5. I seemed to find silicone based greases or PTFE rather than oil worked better on most components as it didnt blow away as fast and helped prevent water from freezing on the surfaces.
6. lube the mags and gun every 4 uses for the mags and 40 mags for the replica. This seems with the above changes to give good reliable performance.
*********Mags wont drop free!! fixed.
For mags that dont drop free this is due, on mine, to the grip inserts deforming the cheap inner plastic. First install the inserts you want. Then wrap a clean mag with 1 layer of paper and shove it up into the well without the slide in place, make sure its a single sheet, it doesnt bind or fold and it will take a bit of force. Try at your own risk. Once its all the way up there (slide is off) heat the grip only with a hot air gun slowly getting hotter until the mag wants to drop free a little. (pre-vent your mag so it doesnt explode on you) Then when it cools remove the paper and the mag will now drop free very easily. If it doesnt you didnt get the grip hot enough. Be careful not to damage the mechanical parts up high only heat the grip from the midline down.
*********Other changes I made for accuracy were
shimmed the rear sight slightly to adjust aim.
filed out about 1/2 mm of the slide above the barrel so the barrel can point up a bit more.
Installed a brass shim around the bottom of the slide just under the barrel to push the outer barrel up a bit
filed out the inside of the outer barrel on the top side so the liner could point up a bit more inside of it.
Lathed and installed a very fine brass ring over the barrel liner to recenter it to the now centered upward in the displaced(due to filing) bore of the outer barrel.
These fixes helped the poor vertical aim of the pistol. So there is hope... if your willing to put a lot of work into it to make it a reliable replica.
I also think getting a propane hand warrmer for games in the winter to warm the barrel block/chamber is a good idea, or blow a lot of hot air through it with a hair dryer. Or if your industrious heat your holster... carefully as you have a propane cylinder right there. Just remove the mag when you use any method of heating.
DISCLAIMER:
I am not responsible for your hurting or killing yourself or others or breaking anything. Use your own judgement this is what worked for me. Vent your mags before getting any hot source near them. Be Safe. Ask a responsible adult to supervise.
dont u want to make a video for us ? --- its hard to understand as a german xD
That's way too much to do to a brand new pistol that SHOULD work right from the beginning. But that's for all that info. I decided to get the air Venturi Springfield Armory XDm 3.8 compact and it's works GREAT right out of the box. But it's obvious you know your stuff tho.
we need more reviewers like you!
Heck yeah we do!
Impressive, I want more reviews from you, really informative
I'm so pleased that you released this video on my birthday ! I really LOVE this gun and now I want to buy a real one, but I was a bit disapointed in the replica, just as you were. I don't want to have to aim higher that my target man ! Very good video !
Antre du Dingo Dingchavez Go buy the real one, boycott Umarex : 0)
Only VFC pistol I would recommend is the fns 9 because it works!! By far the best VFC pistol ever made, it's a gem!!
I appreciate your review so much. I have learned so much about it. I just got one of the first US batch of this gun and havent had a chance to field it yet. I love the vfc ppq even tho i've already had to replace the hammer assembly.
i have the VP9 Tactical version with the threaded barrel. had it for about a year now(bought 2019 april roughly) and i have none of these problems. maybe they updated it since 2017 but yea its fully stock, about 1500 rounds shot. only problems iv run into is the mags dont hold much gas, the take down leaver is sometimes a bitch to lock back and the right side slide release if pushed all the way up can jam the slide release when trying to use the left side to release the slide from open. other then that mine shoot straight and hop up barrel assembly is fine with minimal movement and its solid, mags drop free no problem.
Good afternoon
I know it has been a while since you made this video. I fell in love with the Umarex Vp9, however after watching this video i decided to think twice before purchasing it. Do you still not recommend it? Do you think it still has the same specs or umarex has not upgraded it yet? Thanks in advance
Thanks for the great review, I was really thinking about picking up the Tan Asia version of the VP9 from Redwolf(HK). Seeing as internally they're the same pistol, I think i'll give it a miss!
i bought a VFC VP9 Deluxe In April 2023. The mag release is now free fall and the crusader parts are now packed separately and included with the originL nonsteel parts attached
Inner barrel play is absent
Exceptionally good review. I'm impressed.
Great Review. Very thorough and definitely factored in my decision to get the gun.
Good quality product. Correct, fast transport service.
I have the Tactical version in black and DFE. Its excellent
Thanks for the video man. Looks like its just more of a collectors gun
everything from the way the valve knocker disconnect (off to the side) and the and the "cocking hammer" is the exact same way my cheap AF KWC Taurus gen 2 looks. It has just as much rattle and everything. It looks like it's just a KWC Taurus 24/7 with the VP9 Aesthetic.
Great review! Cant wait to see your other reviews.
nice to see such honest review, great job mate
This has to be the most detailed review of this gun ever. Now I feel quite sad for HK fans...some of these guns are only made by VFC (the VP9, G42, HK45C...) and they all have various nagging issues. Friend of mine is obsessed with the VP9 and wish to take one for CQB, I am afraid of telling him how the barrel wobble and tilts downwards, and how the trigger bar is so frail and everything above the frame shakes like hell. These just ruin his dream of gaming with his favorite pistol lol.
Very awesome review dude, I really thought that it'll be somewhat better than the vfc glock since it has a different system and whatnot but in the end its the usual VFC stunt... I try really hard to love VFC they make such pretty products but unbearable performance... guess my last hope is the FNX-45. ps You just save a LOT of peoples money
:) thx for watching !
and yea :( .... tbh.. i bought two.... .... i feel dem pain....
Stalker RK 44 love my fnx 45
My good Sir, you just saved me 160 (ish) $ ... Thanks!
Very helpful. Make me have another point on this gun. Hope you make more like this
hey dude what changes have been made? where can i find that info? great vid
Looks very nice a comfortable. I hope it's better than their PPQ. That was the worst gun I've ever owned
Thank you so much I was just about to buy this gun on Amazon. Can you suggest a good blowback pistol?
Hi, my VP9 has a problem that bolt won’t catch when empty. I couldn’t figure what’s wrong. Please help
Good video. What would recommend please? (A good modern airsoft pistol )
Hey mate. The first and only informative video about VP9- something that is very useful ! I got some problem with my trigger bar not catching pusher of the sear. I bought spare one and the problem still exist.... any ideas?
Thanks in advance
oh dear, so if you bought another trigger bar and yet the problem still exists. It could be because the steel sear is a rounded corner on the 'square' area where the trigger bar meets the sear. Basically what's happening i think, is when the trigger bar tries to push the sear to drop the hammer, instead of pushing it, it just slides right underneath it. That could be it. To fix it... this is the tricky part, you can't grind the sear. You have to very very carefully, modify the trigger bar so it has more surface area contact with the sear (this will by extension increase the trigger pull weight), and hope for the best.
Before you do all of that tho, I suggest you first check the trigger bar disconnect area on your trigger bar and on your slide. See if its doing anything weird. I have had cases where people had your exact situation, in the end it turned out that the screw on the slide to help prevent wear on the trigger disconnect area came out, so its constantly ''disconnecting'' your trigger bar hence the reason why when you pull the trigger, its not engaging with anything.
Really appreciate this review since I bought this gun (based on looks).
Due to a disability i dont have 100% strength in my hand, do you know of a modification or upgrade that can lighten up the trigger?
Sandor159 ah i see bro, so here is something u can do easily without risking the fragile nature of the trigger bar, is polishing the surface of the sear that touches the hammer. This allows the sear to smoothly "slip" instead of it slipping unpredictably off the hammer due to the excessive tension of the hammer spring. You can polish by asking a friend to use a buffing tool, metal polish, or 2000 (or higher) grit sand paper to clean up the surface and make it smooth. Sand paper will take the longest but it is the safest option.
Thanks for the fast reply! Luckily I have all the polishing stuff already so I will try this today. I also found another link on the internet, do you see the solution they use working? What is your opinion about this?
sixmil.blogspot.be/2016/12/vfcumarex-vp9-trigger-tuning.html
ah this is not a popular modification because it stresses out the tip of a sear nub.
So lets over exaggerate this situation in order for me to communicate this a little better.
Let's pretend the sear contact was 10 mm long (over exaggerating). The modification in the link u sent basically allows you to make the sear contact 1mm long, which effectively results in a trigger with a crisp break, instead of a slippery break.
If you don't understand why the mod makes it crisper, its because you no longer have to deal with the remaining 9mm of sear contact (sear metal grinding up against hammer metal).
However, this in itself, is a big problem because the steel sear and steel hammer, if u use the ''tips'' of the sear contact to hold the hammer, it will wear out extremely fast. This is not a problem for IPSC users who use hi capas and glocks because they can replace these sears easily, but on the VP9, there is almost no aftermarket support and almost no replacement part supports (unless if u happen to know a VFC distributor (who may not even help you, hence the reason why this modification its not popular).
All of those issues, are fixed in the US Market now.
So the only difference between the DX asia verson and standard asia version is the 4 steel upgrades? No internal upgrades?
Very interesting. Its like they took the design ideas from the FNS (which came out 2 months earlier) and completely fucked them up on the VP9.
Superb review.
Rogue Studios, thanks for awesome review, especially about cons of that VP9. I was about to buy one for me as it look awesome, but now I kind a stuck with my choice. Could you please advice something reliable for indoors games?
Thanks in advance.
Look into KJW hi-capas. Reliable, inexpensive, TM compatible
@@happyrobot6396 thanks a lot, I'll consider this variant ))
You should do a pistol collection video. It will be hot.
Colol, I'll wating for your new review.
+RogueSystem087 nice vid. Thank you very much for that. I was thinking to buy this replica but after seeing your review I have second thoughts. Is there anything there could be done to upgrade this gun such as better aftermarket parts? If you have any suggestions, they are very welcome. Tnx.. rgds.. Raymond
rdinmaho unfornately for the vp9, there is no aftermarket support and barely any replacement parts available.
There's only a floating valve and rocket valve available, which doesnt fix or address any of the key issues.
If u google them, u will find that u virtually have no options :(
best regards,
RS087
RogueSystem087 I'll skip on this one. Thanks for your reply. Grtzz
Nice vid. Your a big help👌
Got some similar problem with EMG M&P9. I think it's also manufactured by VFC.
Bing Qian yes it it
I was wondering if you could just type out as response (of corse a video would be really nice) about how to fix the barrel, slide and hop up wobble, like I wouldn’t mind doing some work for a really nice pistol and I don’t think they would make a better version of it any time soon
Hey Dude
Can you please do a quick video on your thoughts on the VFC fns 9. Please please please !!!!
The new problem foind is that the magazines kind of falls out when firing
can you do any remedy to fix the wobble inner barrel like putting white tape? im looking forward this actually to have one but since you make review i really feel bad about it :((
Are the issues with this VP9 at all possibly also in other VFC HK pistols like the P8A1 or the USP?
Hi. I really like your channel and your videos, they are very informative and I learned a lot butI got a question.I found a steel slide for this pistol, how it will perform on this gun?I don't think it will work fine because of poorly designed gas system.Sorry for my bad English
lol don't worry about the english bro, you are doing great!
Honestly, it won't work well, it'll barely reach the last few shots (not worth it in my opinion)
best regards,
RS087
Thanks.
Then i'll go for nova kit for my 1911.
Where can i find a compensator for that, to make it look like the HK pistol used by John Wick in the first movie🙂🇵🇭
my Vp9 's slide get stuck with the Hammer.
can you help me how to fix it?
thank you in advance.
i assume your nozzle is pushed forward and your slide is stuck?
If so what you do is rack your slide as far back as you can and then gently push your nozzle back into the slide.
Continue holding the slide back after you push the nozzle back.
Afterwards, use a long and thin tool (i use a roll pin punch kit) to carefully reach into the hammer chassis and poke your hammer down to manually lock the hammer. Afterwards your slide should be free. When you reach into the hammer chassis, please be careful to not damage your nozzle as you attempt to do this, most have broken their nozzles accidentally by doing what you 'may' need to do here.
best regards, and good luck.
RS087.
I have problem with my vp9.some time my magazine will release the gas too much and that why i can shoot only 20units for each time.I jusy double my magazine and valve(change new) but still have problem.that why may be problem from nozzle?some time i shoot only 3-5units and the magazine release the gas too much :(
Bit late to the party but I got the Australian gel ball version and also very disappointed. For $600au it is pathetic to say the least. The magazine is the only decent part. It looks ok but the build quality is appalling.
May I ask do you have any experience with the Umarex VFC Walther PPQ? Having a hard time deciding between that and the VP9. I'm really concerned with the slide cracking on the PPQ, but after your review of the VP9, it does seem to have its own set of problems, so I'm still terribly undecided.
well the PPQ i personally have not owned, but it is more or less a glock it even uses the same hammer and hammer chassis. Hm... tbh i would avoid unless if you are buying it for collection purposes.
Well, I would think that the main reason anyone would buy a Umarex VFC product is for the trades and for collection purposes, ha ha, since there are much better products in the market. But while I don't expect them to be stellar, neither should they be terribad.. What's your thoughts on the VFC Glocks then? You sound like you don't like them much..
well vfc glocks have quite a few problems actually, like i said tho if its all for show, go for it. Just don't expect much in the durability and performance department cos its not a very stable platform. The problems are... semi complex and sorta extensive, if you want to research those problems yourself, the simple explanation is... imagine everything wrong with a TM g18c (sears, auto sear engagement, hammer breaking, cocking problems, consistancy problems, all of that is present on the vfc glocks, but enhanced even further (cos a vfc glock uses stronger springs, different shaped hammer, which further enhances those issues to a point where its... not really worth fixing).
one point about the FNs you are wrong about. the disconnector metal plate is partially angled yes, but the face that actually contacts the actual lever is flat. the disconnect lever itself is also straight. it doesn't hit it at any angle on the FNS. so the system works! now why the messed it up on the VP9... who cares. its vfc. they are clueless in general.
Which is better for markings
Great review and very informative. I have a big problem wt my VP9, the mag eject every time I shoot......damn, any idea how to fix this?
waibp i suspect the mag catch is rounded (so it doesnt have a ledge to lock the mag in, but normally it should be the case. If u take out the mag catch u should see the edges that touches the mag, if its rounded or not, it should be a fairly sharp corner
I think I want the Asia deluxe but I’m in the us, so I guess I don’t have to get the marking lol
Hi, do they exist today? I cannot find them.
Man my costs 270$ (not scammed bought in a swedish store in sweden) edit: what magazine does it hold?
costs 350$ in korea :(
would you mind doing a review for the VFC walther ppq m2? Does it have similar downsides as the vp9?
You have a fns ? It's strange that it works so well and the vp9 sucks so bad, but I think your being a bit harsh with it, the only real problem with the vp9 is the mag release tabs on the mag.
icolater27 the barrel is pointing downwards naturally, the inside of the die cast slide uses small roll pins to disconnect a cast trigger bar, the trigger bar wears quickly (i have 3 vp9s), the hammer doesnt always cock on the vp9 cos movable cocking point (like oldschool ksc).
Not sure if im being harsh, but basically... it has a lot of unsolvable problems :( at least not easily solvable problems. Fixable but its disappointing that nothing was done to fix the europe to asia ver.
Ok cast trigger bar is boggy! The fns 9 has a steel one. So the only decent VFC pistol is the fns 9? Pity I like the look of the vp9. Thanks for the review and reply. Take care dude!!
in all honestly, trying vfc pistols, up to you. As of right now the vp9s, glocks, ppq, M&P have been out for a long time, still no support. I think there's a reason for it, its simply not really worth working on, not that great of a display piece either. I think the only unique thing the vp9 brings is that, its the only vp9 in the market as of right now.
buddy, is it worth buying that gun, how accurate is it at 10 m
arent those night sights?
great video! where could I buy a spare magazine? thanks
Where can I get a better inner barrel for this gun?
One thing I wanna ask: The slide made by what ( Aluminium or pot metal ? )
i'm not sure (which is why i didn't mention it in the video).
but i think its casted pot metal because it does not have the aluminum weight when compared to other aluminum slides that are bigger.
best regards,
RS087.
uf u shoot someon will it hurt them?
Does the outer barrel have a thread?
IS there a way to make it full auto?
Well shit, I was considering getting one until I saw your video. Very much appreciate the in depth review and saving me about $200 lol. kind of a shame they made such an awful replica of a great handgun.
Hello, I recently saw a website named Rainbow8, do you know anything bout them and if I can trust them. I want to buy a G18c TM and Ii cant find any reviews. Thx
i can only speak from my experience with them, they were fast and efficient.
I suggest you research for other people's experiences as well for your peace of mind.
I first thought that they are not going to send my product or something, ty for your fast respond
does it shoot hard
U do realize that that little lever on the trigger is a mag release lmao
Its a old version vp9
Where to buy?
Can you give me a Link to the exact Version you have? Thanks
sorry :( youtube doesn't like me giving out links to other stores :( also i'm in Asia so anything i link to you won't apply to you anyways
is this why i dont see the vp9 available in the US
hmm i'm not sure tbh, the release in the european market and asian market was okay initially. Not sure how it is now :(
flippino35 Partially, it's coming very soon. I actually got to meet with an Elite Force representative, and I got him to show me the internals of the new version! So the US version, which is expected to release sometime this fall, if not early winter, and it's technically a "Gen 5" since I guess they have already made a bunch of remedies to some of the other problems that came with the release version of the Asia and European VP9. The trigger bar is slightly stronger, and the chassis has been updated to hold the hopup unit better. It still has a bit of a downwards tilt to the barrel but he claimed that's going to be fixed next. The frame is still very similar to what it originally was, however the magazines do drop free now. He also told me they "fixed" the nozzle issues, but since he wasn't allowed to disassemble the gun any further than a field strip I'm not entirely sure what he meant by that, but it sounds promising. The prototype I was allowed to handle felt pretty good, and everyone's favorite Great White Wall of Disclaimer is on the slide, but they're getting better with it. As opposed to the KWA HK45, the text seems to be less flashy, if that makes sense. But yeah, it looks, feels, and sounds pretty good, so I'm probably going to check them out once they hit our side of the pond.
What holster u use for your vp9
this is a custom kydex holster made in hong kong by YLGunner, i'm not sure if he made more but you can try to look him on facebook to see if he can make one for you
What kind of holster is that xd
im from the philippines, can i order the US version from you?
Jiki Papica i dont live in the US, just order through airsoftstore in US, shipping would be same through a person anyways
@@RogueSystem087 thank you so much brother, i appreciate your reply a lot.
“220HKD” wow i didn’t expect that you brought these from Hong Kong. Btw, hk is going down.
Lmao, 5 years later and i found one for $60