What happens when you try to UPGRADE an M1 MacBook to M2?

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  • čas přidán 26. 06. 2022
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    Many have bemoaned Apple's lack of updates to the M2 MacBook Pro, but it got me wondering... If nothing has changed with the chassis of the M2 MacBook Pro vs M1 MacBook Pro, can you swap the logic boards and upgrade an M1 Mac to an M2 MacBook? Well wonder no more! Because today I'm going to answer this silly and pointless question that nobody asked. I will boldly go where no tech CZcamsr dared (or cared) to go. Behold, this video.
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  • @noahrosenheck9250
    @noahrosenheck9250 Před rokem +2614

    next test: swap the logic boards for two identical m1's and two identical m2's (m1 to m1 and m2 to m2). see if there are hardware locks on the other components

    • @user_ao625
      @user_ao625 Před rokem +63

      Was just going to suggest that.👍

    • @Xaltar_
      @Xaltar_ Před rokem

      I am pretty much 100% there will be lockouts.

    • @ultrasoundconcept
      @ultrasoundconcept Před rokem +27

      That'd be nice to see.

    • @Miguel-fm8xh
      @Miguel-fm8xh Před rokem +64

      There are two actually.
      1. TouchID
      2. TrueTone

    • @arturoehr
      @arturoehr Před rokem +24

      @@Miguel-fm8xh didn’t know they had software locks just like iPhones

  • @chinamobilemag
    @chinamobilemag Před rokem +561

    The M2 changed the way keyboard and trackpad are connected (used to be SPI on the M1). Most likely this is the reason it refuses to boot up in the M1 chassis.

    • @kuroyukihime1
      @kuroyukihime1 Před rokem +4

      This is fake

    • @cristibaluta
      @cristibaluta Před rokem

      Wouldn't make sense to continue to boot? You can use an external keyboard

    • @chinamobilemag
      @chinamobilemag Před rokem +58

      @@cristibaluta Luke broke something else apparently. iFixit did try the same and they managed to get the M2 logic board booting inside the M1 chassis. Trackpad and Keyboard did not work, of course.

    • @BilisNegra
      @BilisNegra Před rokem +23

      @@chinamobilemag Broke what? The two machines are OK again after being reassembled with their proper boards.

    • @user-xr5vr2uq6v
      @user-xr5vr2uq6v Před rokem +15

      @@BilisNegra When I took my Intel MBP apart it wouldn't boot without the bottom case screws in. I know, weirdest thing, but it's true. Bottom case on without screws, wouldn't boot. Put screws in, everything works just fine.

  • @TheSleepyCraftsman
    @TheSleepyCraftsman Před rokem +250

    Oh, let's see how hard Apple made this. 😏🍿

    • @TheSleepyCraftsman
      @TheSleepyCraftsman Před rokem +1

      Seems like Apple is really going out of their way to prevent anyone from using broken machines for spare parts.

    • @user-cp4cj1nu9c
      @user-cp4cj1nu9c Před rokem +6

      guess this is the most upgrade part on new MacBook Pro

  • @thomaschirila6372
    @thomaschirila6372 Před rokem +37

    To anyone who doesn't know: ZIF = zero insertion force. This means that the connector doesn't need to be forced into the slot at all to be seated. These are usually accompanied by some sort of lever to clip down onto the ribbon cable.

    • @GabrielSouza-pb9lt
      @GabrielSouza-pb9lt Před 7 měsíci +2

      Like AMD processors or old laptops, or epromm flashing devices

  • @allthenamesrtook
    @allthenamesrtook Před rokem +16

    Senior systems analyst here, although I haven't looked at the specifics of the two devices relating to this, this is almost certainly going to be a battery related issue. Both of these motherboards will be expecting to be connected to a specific battery size and voltage that almost certainly differs between the two models. While they can in theory boot up with either battery, Apple will have most likely locked the power requirement to be within a very specific range and as such anything out of that will not power up.

  • @garycard1826
    @garycard1826 Před rokem +335

    Luke, as an Electronics Engineer (who has performed many maintenance tasks and upgrades on computers over the years) I have to say, you’re crazy; but in a good way! Great video, I hope you get lots of hits for your considerable efforts.

    • @arifuddin2172
      @arifuddin2172 Před rokem +2

      Yep

    • @NicVandEmZ
      @NicVandEmZ Před rokem +1

      It’s track pad at fault here m2 trackpad is different than m1 trackpad keyboard is still same try this again and just swap the trackpad

    • @Qwerty8
      @Qwerty8 Před 24 dny

      No, because it’s not a new MacBook with m cpu - he opened old ones and no one saw it? How about the pro people around? 😂🎉🎉

  • @arctan2010
    @arctan2010 Před rokem +92

    I see the problem: the case color doesn’t match making them incompatible!🤓

  • @Megabean
    @Megabean Před rokem +206

    I just imagined an alternative universe where Apple offered upgrades, like say you can get your M1 Macbook upgraded to M2 for 500$ but when they introduce major feature revisions you have to do the full upgrade. Because as it stands most people will keep their Mac through maybe 2-4 model iterations before upgrading. The old boards could be refurbished or put into repaired laptops. That could actually be a way to capture a bit of revenue from users who won't spend 1200$+ for the next version. It's a win win

    • @austin2150
      @austin2150 Před rokem +15

      Absolutely a good idea

    • @maharaj8460
      @maharaj8460 Před rokem +20

      Who cares, just stop buying apple products and buy company's which does offer upgrades

    • @Megabean
      @Megabean Před rokem +33

      @@maharaj8460 How about we not be fascists who tell other people what to do. ^_^

    • @Sharan25
      @Sharan25 Před rokem

      The ram is already soldered to board so why not allow to upgrade the cpu and the ram

    • @stever1514
      @stever1514 Před rokem +4

      Processor upgrades like that existed in the PowerPC era but they were never that profitable even for 3rd parties that offered them. A couple of companies went out of business and Sonnet just barely hung on.

  • @sanskarbiswal5234
    @sanskarbiswal5234 Před rokem +3

    One possible cause may be that the displays might need different firmware drivers and when you swap out the boards, it is likely that the boards detect an incorrect hardware conf for which it has no firmware and fails to boot

  • @artisanwolf2068
    @artisanwolf2068 Před rokem +3

    It's either a hardware lock or a power issue. The power consumption between the M1 and M2 chips are different so the batteries are going to be designed differently to handle the different loads. It would be interesting to see if that is actually the case

  • @scogginsscoggins
    @scogginsscoggins Před 24 dny

    Great video. Luke always has original ideas. Never boring.

  • @CaspianYuichiro
    @CaspianYuichiro Před rokem +2

    Mutiple componets have their own ids, and i believe the massive amounts of differnt ids may have prevented it from booting too. (Display id, battery, etc.)

  • @MarcusExplainsStuff
    @MarcusExplainsStuff Před rokem +21

    This video was awesome. I loved the energy and genuine shock when the M2 board didn't boot. There are a few minor component differences and I am sure it was something with initial BIOS load validation or some such nonsense. Either way, extremely entertaining, cheers.

    • @samgod
      @samgod Před rokem +1

      BIOS is specific to non-Apple Intel computers. Macs, including Intel Macs, have never used BIOS.

  • @CED.Dweller
    @CED.Dweller Před rokem +8

    The editing is getting stronger and stronger with each new video lately. Nice work,@Luke Miani!

  • @j.j.5368
    @j.j.5368 Před rokem

    Luke where do you get this musics? I love the way that you make your videos, so great!

  • @IBaitman
    @IBaitman Před rokem +2

    Did you place the screws back in before booting? Cause some laptops use screws to complete the circuits in logic board.
    Also other companies make sure their logic board works only with the original chassis. How? idk. I could very easily find out if i had such devices to play around with and time. I completely love disassembling laptops much more than desktops. Great work.

  • @blackwolfmclovin
    @blackwolfmclovin Před rokem +4

    Maybe voltage and ampere of the battery are different. Or the capacitors are different. The M2 has a slightly higher watt consumption with consistent battery lifetime to the m1

  • @seyseyseysey
    @seyseyseysey Před rokem +4

    "Today's video is dumb, pointless and frankly serves no real purpose" dude say no more. I'll watch it to the end

  • @JACB006
    @JACB006 Před rokem

    Luke .. great Video. Having read all the suggestions below …. Is it worth having another go?

  • @jameysummers1577
    @jameysummers1577 Před 11 měsíci

    Yeah...The gates love to come off of those zif connectors. I use a spudger like that, but I also put my finger over the gate so it doesn't pop off. When they pop off I hate soldering another on. Getting that gate back on is a pain in the ass.

  • @LKBRICKS1993
    @LKBRICKS1993 Před rokem +77

    Great video so interesting and fun to watch. I remember old laptops when you could replace almost everything.

    • @harshkalbhor4653
      @harshkalbhor4653 Před rokem +1

      U can also do that now just not with apple things cuz u know

  • @danandrei96
    @danandrei96 Před rokem +68

    that's really weird. I haven't gotten my hands on any m2 machines yet but with the m1 you can get a bare logic board to boot with nothing but the charger plugged in (you can confirm it booted based on the current draw using a usb-c power meter). So you could've started disconnecting things from the board until it would boot. I agree it's most likely the keyboard/trackpad that was the issue, although I also wouldn't be surprised if they did something funny with the battery. Fantastic video and great idea overall, would love a follow-up where you try to find out the culprit

    • @ThatOneGuyGreggers
      @ThatOneGuyGreggers Před rokem

      on iPhones they do tie the battery to the logic board with a battery serial number. if you don't go through an authorized apple repair you would loose the battery health monitoring features. Probably something similar.

    • @danandrei96
      @danandrei96 Před rokem +1

      @@ThatOneGuyGreggers thankfully so far I haven't seen any issues with battery replacement even on newer macbooks. my theory was more that they might've made some small unnecessary change to the battery and therefore given it a new part number, which the other board won't recognize and will therefore refuse to boot. Either way, I wouldn't be too surprised if it's just more Apple serialization BS as usual

    • @imdyinginside1919
      @imdyinginside1919 Před rokem

      @@ThatOneGuyGreggers u can program it but the message still on i think

  • @oberon2230
    @oberon2230 Před rokem +1

    The M series as well as iOS Devices are serialized, meaning there is a gatekeeper within the computer that is loaded with a random group of serials, if one is missing and a new one is installed, it won't work. Same as what happened to the iphone. it's Software related. There is a dedicated chip for this.

  • @davidnotonstinnett
    @davidnotonstinnett Před rokem

    Mac OS generally works by doing a scan for expected hardware and checking it can make system calls to it before continuing boot.
    I’m guessing Apple has made each config SUPER specific.
    This is as opposed to previous Apple hardware. My 2015 iMac is is composed on 95% the same hardware as my late 2014 iMac.
    My guess is that the parts on each upgrade for M series macs has, at the very least, slightly different hardware ids
    My question remains “can this be hacked around?”
    Here is my experience, again with the iMacs I own.
    You can swap displays on these things, and they are “backwards compatibles” for RAM modules and other things. The only trick is because of that system call test issue, you can hit boot issues.
    But if you add hardware IDs to opencore (the boat loader for older macs that allows you to boot newer versions of Mac OS, as long as the OS itself supports your hardware. Example, 2012 and earlier macs recently got bumped down because Mac OS removed support for a specific codec that the intel chips of that era and before need to boot properly (something to do with graphics) so those won’t run. Anything newer will run fine, as long as you have reasonable expectations for your hardware. My Late 2015 is kind of just on the edge of not running Ventura all that well. But good enough for me ymmv, but anything newer than that is going to work fine.)
    My question is, once hackers get access to M1 in the same level as they have intel Macs, could the ID numbers for relevant parts in the old Mac and if that would facilitate the upgrade. Given the priorities of Apple Software, it would. It surprise me at all if the old system check method was still the exact way the new Macs worked.

  • @dougienuggie
    @dougienuggie Před rokem +115

    I feel like Luke has gotten much more comfortable with being on camera over the years. i see much more of his personality in this video than I would have seen in a video from three years ago. i love watching the channel grow :)

    • @halami2149
      @halami2149 Před rokem

      Why because he cursed in the middle lol

  • @edborowski5950
    @edborowski5950 Před rokem +8

    Loved the video Luke! It felt different than the normal video out there and I really enjoyed it.

  • @jessixox
    @jessixox Před rokem

    Fyi there could be a voltage difference between the circuits in the m2 chip that could require either less or more power. The total reason could be the supply of voltage going to the main power board causing a voltage miscommunication that interferes with initializing the new m2 board. In addition there would be several components that are not compatible with the board just like any other laptop. Yes it may be apple but they want you to buy a new laptop instead of fixing your broken or current one. Usually when the system boots it does a system check to see if any components are compromised then boots once validation is complete. But if you didnt here the fans spin on startup thats because there is a voltage issue.

  • @kantdiego
    @kantdiego Před rokem

    The display connections likely. I had the beautiful surprise with MBP11,3 display with MBP11,5 board

  • @michaelbuck8884
    @michaelbuck8884 Před rokem +84

    It’s confusing yes but at the same time it’s a simple answer. Apple made their boards to only work with the certain chasis. They did this on purpose just like their phones. This is another example of Apple not accepting right to repair.

    • @Jake-ix1od
      @Jake-ix1od Před rokem +8

      I used to work at a UBreakiFix. Every damaged apple device we’ve received, during my presence at least; were brought in due owner neglect and/or the user consecutively depleting the battery to 0% between charge cycles. Withholding battery replacements, I think right to repair is becoming blown out of proportion, maybe even to a Marxist degree.
      I’ve made an iPhone 6s last for nearly 4 years without it needing repairs. I brought it to Apple for a battery replacement and the tech was shocked by its near mint condition, telling me “we don’t get devices like this.”
      BUT STILL, God forbid a little personal responsibility…

    • @dregenius
      @dregenius Před rokem +1

      Right.... in the same way that Intel doesn't accept right to repair because they changed the socket on their 12th gen. I'm not saying Apple loves right to repair... but being able to swap major components from a significantly changed or revised version of a product, that happens to be in the same model line, into an older one is *not* an indication of such, it just isn't.

    • @Jake-ix1od
      @Jake-ix1od Před rokem

      @@dregenius Socket types will evolve, for example; due to the differing GPIO layout of the next generation chip. And assuming, you're referring to desktop chips, those are typically user accessible. I don't think succeeding intel socket types are a good example of undermining right to repair.

    • @prayagsuthar9856
      @prayagsuthar9856 Před rokem +1

      ​@@Jake-ix1od Yay, a new perspective! 👏🏼 I still wish that they would at least let people do something as simple as _upgrading RAM/storage_ on a whole chonkin' laptop, but that's the limit. Hearing your statement, I do agree that sometimes Right to Repair is exaggerated by a lot of people, to the point that it's become a mere buzzword 😓

    • @Jake-ix1od
      @Jake-ix1od Před rokem +1

      ​@@prayagsuthar9856 Apple plays to their benefit here; Integrating everything reduces manufacturing costs and they'd rather get the money first hand for increased ram/storage.
      I don't think this approach is that unreasonable. 30 years ago, computers in general were atrociously more expensive when considering inflation. Despite those early computers typically being user upgradable and easily repairable, I don't think they usually reached a level of reliability or a useful life expectancy anywhere near that of what our modern computers can reach.
      Apple clearly isn't concerned with providing us the capability to increase the usefulness of their machines down the road. However I do think Apple is concerned with providing us long term reliability. That said; just because a computer is reliable doesn't mean it's useful, but at least it wasn't designed to fail.
      I'm willing to be wrong but that's how I think I understand this shit so far.

  • @geekjit215
    @geekjit215 Před rokem +8

    Could it be the display's plug pinouts are different which somehow causes a short and prevents the machine to power on?

  • @FlannelAficionado
    @FlannelAficionado Před rokem

    I would almost entirely wager this is based on keyboard/trackpad if either of those are different. Signals for power on/power off can come from either of these and if pin outs on the connectors, or the signal voltages differ on those lines, or communication protocols are different, I would absolutely expect this sort of behavior.
    I LOVE these kind of expiriments. And even if it doesn't sound relevant now, I know in a year or so it might be, once the used market is a bit more saturated. I would be more likely to wonder if the opposite is true (M1 board in the M2 chassis).

  • @mathiasfantoni2458
    @mathiasfantoni2458 Před rokem

    4:55 You really had me crying out loud there! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

  • @renerebe
    @renerebe Před rokem +4

    nice anti repair move Apple.

  • @respect386
    @respect386 Před rokem +30

    Luke is so thorough, so much respect for the effort he puts into his videos!

  • @AlphauraXIncNewYork
    @AlphauraXIncNewYork Před rokem

    do not connect the lcd screen cable. Connect to an external monitor. display output pin is re-programmed, which could short one of the power rail.

  • @zolee0013
    @zolee0013 Před měsícem

    Hey Luke. I've been following you for a while from the UK. I do repairs and tried the same thing in a customer's machine. It's actually possible to swap the board, but you must swap the trackpad in order to turn it on. The keyboard and other components are actually fine. I just thought to let you know. I love your videos on content. Keep up the good work.

  • @DarylMartijnVanBeek
    @DarylMartijnVanBeek Před rokem +41

    There is probably some additional hardware that prevents you from swapping it over, hardware lock/ hardware paring to the mother board so it doesn’t recognize all the connected components not letting it start up or PSU isnt compatible since the m2 takes more power

    • @Megabean
      @Megabean Před rokem +1

      I'm not 100% sure but I think it could either be what he said, their protocol for the upper case has changed thus the keyboard doesn't work or it could be that the Touch Bar which runs its own IOS fork could have some hardware DRM preventing it from being replaced. What I would try if I were Luke, pair an Apple keyboard to the Macbook then try to switch them, in theory, it should just turn on even if the Macbook keyboard doesn't work.

    • @RobStevens64
      @RobStevens64 Před rokem +6

      I think the last one is the issue. The M2 requires a bit more power, and it could be the battery config or other related stuff just isn't delivering enough to the board.
      One thing Luke didn't try was getting the M1 to power up in the M2 chassis. That might have indicated if it were power delivery issues.

  • @BackpackandGear
    @BackpackandGear Před rokem +6

    It looks like Apple has gone to tremendous lengths to make sure people can't just swap parts in these computers making people have to buy a new machine if a part fails or to have Apple fix it for a charge if out of warranty!

    • @imho4990
      @imho4990 Před rokem

      Your problem is, you want the thief to have your hardware. Now it doesn't make sense to steal a Mac or iPhone. Even to replace parts and that is great news.

  • @RederieJosh
    @RederieJosh Před rokem +2

    It’s funny how Luke is being a little more sassy than ever 🤣

  • @alexanderlozanov2271
    @alexanderlozanov2271 Před rokem +1

    I believe it will be more interesting to see and to try, if it's possible to upgrade the logic board from Intel to M1 or M2

  • @Easyjt
    @Easyjt Před rokem +43

    Did you test if the M1 would work in the M2 case? Wondering if it is a power delivery issue due to M2 using more power than the M1.

    • @sda3.14
      @sda3.14 Před rokem +2

      All of the power delivery stuff is on the board, so probably not.

    • @khangvinh4656
      @khangvinh4656 Před rokem +2

      Well, ifixit found out that removing the trackpad basically lock the laptop so I don’t think swapping motherboards would be any more kind.

  • @markhigginson9897
    @markhigginson9897 Před rokem +10

    It may be that some of the connection points have different pin configurations from the M1 unit to the M2 unit. It would only need to take a few differences to prevent the M2 logic board from working in the M1 unit. Also additionally, the bios microcode might not allow such a change.

    • @japanquakeytp
      @japanquakeytp Před rokem

      macs dont use bios, its the fact that its a different screen, trackpad, whatever assembly that stopped it. its called part out protection so no one, even if they have the mac, they cant steal your data.

  • @cupcakke.wet.ch0chie
    @cupcakke.wet.ch0chie Před rokem +1

    You can also try to swap the charing port and battery because the charing ports voltages I think are different and the m2 battery is also different so try this

  • @jockosboy17
    @jockosboy17 Před rokem +2

    Isn't every component on a modern Mac serialized? My guess the board detected that the generations were not matching up.

  • @TechTipsUSA
    @TechTipsUSA Před rokem +9

    Next video: making a m2 12 inch MacBook!

  • @shellcode
    @shellcode Před rokem +17

    I’m surprised it didn’t work considering that nearly the entire computer is on that logic board. Also if Apple were to offer an “upgrade” logic board it would still be very expensive since all of the core components are within that single board. It’s more like replacing the computer than “upgrading”.

  • @corrientetv
    @corrientetv Před rokem

    Great video! And fun to watch

  • @davidsmall1174
    @davidsmall1174 Před 9 měsíci

    What this could be useful for is when the M3 MBA13 comes out in October of this year but the 15 inch doesn't come out for another 1 months after that, then a M3 MBA 13 logic board swap into an existing M2 MBA 15 would be a real treat?

  • @magicmanchloe
    @magicmanchloe Před rokem +11

    Try swapping the battery’s as well. Apple serialized the batteries in their phones. It probably won’t work without the proper battery. Test it by unplugging the battery and connecting power to see if it turns on.

  • @bmrpeal
    @bmrpeal Před rokem +9

    You need to swipe the T2 chip, which stores the unique signature of the whole system in the "secure enclave", not the touch id button alone.

    • @johnlowellbejasa6510
      @johnlowellbejasa6510 Před 10 měsíci +1

      there is no more T2 chips in Apple Silicon macs, the secure enclave is now built into the M2/M1 chip itself

  • @scottstreet5796
    @scottstreet5796 Před rokem +1

    Seems a long shot, but...is there a difference between the batteries that power management might be detecting?

  • @teamgartz-motorsports6881

    Very like they are doing the same as in the iPhone, they might be adding ID for each component and creating a encrypted handshake at boot, if you have components that the firmware doesn’t whitelist, it won’t post to the next step and will kill the boot sequence. This way they can prevent people upgrading modules like camera, touchpads, maybe battery that should only be available in a newer chipset gen, even that they are compatible and would perfectly work in older M models.

  • @guilhermecervo3931
    @guilhermecervo3931 Před rokem +5

    Ex-Genius here.
    1. The screw you removed from the heat sink we call it "super screw"
    2. The swap didn't work because you don't have access to System Configurator (not to be confused with Apple Configurator). System Configurator is only available through AST2 and must be run on all post 2018 macs that had the MLB replaced.

    • @lonnygallant827
      @lonnygallant827 Před rokem

      No T2 chip on M1 or M2

    • @Wilbur-em1hw
      @Wilbur-em1hw Před rokem

      Wait. So you are no longer a Genius. How does that work??. Like how do you go from Genius to dumb??

    • @guilhermecervo3931
      @guilhermecervo3931 Před rokem +2

      @@lonnygallant827 Thanks for the correction. I meant to say all post 2018 macs

    • @guilhermecervo3931
      @guilhermecervo3931 Před rokem +3

      @@Wilbur-em1hw Hahahahaha

    • @RedVRCC
      @RedVRCC Před 14 dny

      So this actually could have worked if it wasn't for Apple's dickheadery in allowing user upgradability?

  • @rickyandika718
    @rickyandika718 Před rokem +34

    Would be more interesting if we could use 2018 chasis and screen on m1/m2. Would be a huge upgrade

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 Před rokem

      it would more so be possible to do a m1 or m2 version to a 16 2019.

    • @matejaem
      @matejaem Před rokem +3

      @@3ijnweu3oq3 What would you do with the extra fans & ports?

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 Před rokem

      @@matejaem no clue but the screen, keyboard and trackpad would most likely work considering they have the same connector

    • @Cuber112
      @Cuber112 Před rokem +1

      Sounds possible until you realize there's no replaceable escape key

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 Před rokem

      ​@@mp3playerrr no source im pretty sure though, as i seen a 15 inch 2017 screen being connected to a 13 inch 2016 screen and it scaled just fine so theres a chance it could work

  • @ruslanmalakhovskiy2113

    There's also a slight possibility that the pin configuration on the battery connector is a bit different, but I might be wrong

  • @davidbillberg2203
    @davidbillberg2203 Před rokem

    Luke always does some cool and weird stuff!

  • @ucanthavemyname9802
    @ucanthavemyname9802 Před rokem +4

    There are a few parts I may guess could be the culprit: screen, battery, keyboard, trackpad, maybe even the WiFi connection via the cables. I recently swapped the motherboards of two old Dell laptops for fun and it refused to display an image because of the screen. The issue was I had to fully drain the CMOS battery and then it would boot. I have no doubt Apple found any way possible to lock down the MacBooks from being upgraded/repaired.

    • @japanquakeytp
      @japanquakeytp Před rokem

      this isnt for apples gain, its called part out protection.

  • @HearMeLearn
    @HearMeLearn Před rokem +3

    clearly the different screws are incompatible. Okay but actually maybe the SoCs check the other components connected to it, and if a certain one or maybe too many are different, it won't boot?

  • @Errcyco
    @Errcyco Před 9 hodinami

    I baby my M1 MacBook Air so hard. The couple times it’s left my bedroom it’s been in a sleeve and I kept it in the passenger seat of my car lol. I’d never be able to take the bottom plate off unless it was broken and that was my only option… even then I’d probably be weary and do it in a room with zero dust/wind and spend like 8 hours doing it as delicate as possible.
    I don’t even have a smart TV anymore.. gave my nice Samsung 4K to my nieces, this MacBook is legit my home entertainment. Paired with my AirPods Pro 2 it’s seriously better than a TV anyways. If they made the 15” back in 2020 though, I’d have definitely bought that since I’m dang near legally blind wo my glasses on.
    This was neat to watch, we live vicariously through Luke on breakdowns 😂.

  • @itstime1410
    @itstime1410 Před rokem

    In iPhones and iPads you had to have the cables that ran under the boards, along with the home button to get the fingerprint I’d to work. So possibly a cable also?

  • @raduciopraga2752
    @raduciopraga2752 Před rokem +7

    I'm curious if you can add another 256 Gb module in the empty space and upgrade it to a 512 Gb. Would it be possible? maybe get it from another dead MacBook Pro.

    • @W1ldTangent
      @W1ldTangent Před rokem +2

      Would run into the same problem various experimenters did with trying to swap the flash chip modules on the Mac Studio. Without reprogramming the controller itself with the parameters of the new storage layout, it will not function at all, or at best you'd still only be access the original amount of flash.

  • @qellman
    @qellman Před rokem +3

    The "Power-up" problem could have been then Touch Bar, since the touch bar logic is an iPhone processor that also controls Security of the MacBook Pro. Not sure...

  • @yagoa
    @yagoa Před rokem +2

    Interesting, checking some voltages on the board would have made this more informative :)

  • @morgan0
    @morgan0 Před rokem +2

    i wonder if it’s possible to replace soldered on components in the last few intel macs with components that were offered, like switching from 4GB vram to 8GB, or a different gpu model that was used, etc. would it recognize it and work or are they hardwired to a particular configuration. and what about interface compatible but out of the offered range parts, like 16GB vram or a different cpu generation

  • @DMonZ1988
    @DMonZ1988 Před rokem +27

    @4:57 i don't think its a stupid experiment at all! it'd be nice if someone with a dead M1 could buy spare parts for an M2 down the line and effectively upgrade. or M2s with broken screens/bent chassis like some animals apparently manage to create, get transplanted into eventually less desirable M1s. so, lets see if its possible. do continue...

  • @LeeStewart
    @LeeStewart Před rokem +10

    Finally a girlfriend appears from the cracks in the walls! The 'Luke Miani is probably gay' rumours are finally over. Love your videos Luke! 👍

  • @alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2

    Just like the iPad or iPhone the touch if memory is different for each Mac or book,you’ll need both unique finger prints for it to work and don’t press when logging in and remember what fingerprints to use

  • @StellarAudyssey
    @StellarAudyssey Před rokem

    The BIOS would lock to a particular chassis, or it's a components mismatch that is preventing the start-up.

  • @fyremoon
    @fyremoon Před rokem +3

    You have to consider which devices are security locked. I know on iPhones, that means the camera is locked to the motherboard so swapping the camera stops features from working for security reasons, so if its the same in the MacBook, then changing the touch ID and motherboard won't work, you'd have to extract the camera module and swap them over too. A bit like those people that swapped their Mac Studio modules and wondered why the Studio wouldn't boot.

    • @TheThomasproctor
      @TheThomasproctor Před rokem

      I can tell you right now it’s not for security reasons, it’s so apple stops you from replacing and repairing your own phone. Apple just loves serializing parts of the iPhone to stop independent repair. For that matter I’m 100% sure that apple made it so the device won’t boot because there is some identifier in the hardware saying it belongs to m1 (like diff voltages within the hardware or different pin outs) or some serialization denying the possibility of booting if the parts don’t quite match.

  • @casimir976
    @casimir976 Před rokem +44

    I always have this idea of swapping apple silicon internal into a prior gen MacBook Pro frame (specifically the 15”).
    I liked the design and I think it’s an irony that apple decided to drop the design (except the touch bar) when they finally have the hardware that can finally work in the thin tapered design.

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 Před rokem +3

      most likely possible with the m1 with the 16 2019

    • @casimir976
      @casimir976 Před rokem +1

      @Luke Miami and while we’re at it, could you maybe try this with the MBP 15”? 😅jk

    • @casimir976
      @casimir976 Před rokem

      @@3ijnweu3oq3 only problem is 2021 16” deeper than the 2019, while the 2019 is wider than the 2021.

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 Před rokem

      @@casimir976 most likely 16 inch would work, since the keyboard seems the same with the escape key, touch bar aswell, even the touch id cut out is the same only issue would the cable is too short so you cannot connect it without microsoldering and there is a chance the screen would work too

    • @FF9F00
      @FF9F00 Před rokem +1

      2021 MacBook Pros are kind of ugly imo. But I think they're doing this on purpouse in order to make us buy a new laptop whenever they go back to the older, actually good design.

  • @rushil.karani
    @rushil.karani Před rokem

    That was a very cool explaination!

  • @fVNzO
    @fVNzO Před rokem

    The only way forward here is to check one component at a time and see what's triggering the (more like untriggering) boot.

  • @jefferygrantham5582
    @jefferygrantham5582 Před rokem +10

    Did you happen to try connecting the MacBooks to an external display to verify that there was no power and not just a simple case of no video signal to the displays?

    • @josselincol
      @josselincol Před rokem +3

      You’d have clickable trackpad, starting noise, lit keyboard if that worked

    • @lukemiani
      @lukemiani  Před rokem +1

      Yeah, I had it connected to apple configurator

  • @ambhaiji
    @ambhaiji Před rokem +10

    Please do the framework laptop upgrade just to show how easy it is possible for companies to actually make swappable boards.

  • @SaltedCoffee400
    @SaltedCoffee400 Před rokem

    This the type of content I subscribed for.

  • @GsySaxMan
    @GsySaxMan Před rokem

    Heard of firmware, first thing that it does on power provision is check the hard coded mb iteration which if not verified will fail the boot process immediately

  • @baconfister
    @baconfister Před rokem +3

    Luke seems more animated than usual in this video. I can only come to the conclusion he was hitting his sponsor’s sauce before recording. 🍸

  • @johnmeyer457
    @johnmeyer457 Před rokem +4

    Me suffering and worrying for fear of breaking the RAM clips in my dad’s 2011 ASUS and this guy opening and playing around with two laptops worth several thousands each 😂

  • @robertdonlan8193
    @robertdonlan8193 Před 8 měsíci

    Need to change the track pad also I have actually had a few m2 with bad touchbar. M2 topcase is too expensive, so used topcase from iCloud locked m1 found that trackpad and Touch ID both need to be changed to make this work
    Screen is also interchangeable may loose ambient light sensor

  • @MrBaskins2010
    @MrBaskins2010 Před rokem

    that motor roaring when you said shut up at 5mins in, perfecto.

  • @MooseBeCanadian
    @MooseBeCanadian Před rokem +3

    No one, not a single soul
    Luke’s brain “I wonder if I can put an M2 chip in the M1 pro”

  • @miguelfvega9079
    @miguelfvega9079 Před rokem +14

    M2 can consume 6W more than M1, maybe some other component checks the wattage of the logic board.

  • @gamingsandbox5483
    @gamingsandbox5483 Před rokem

    Why are you not plugging it in to power. Mine will never post without power adapter even though the battery is full. For the fist power on only, then the batt will work fine.

  • @GeorgeValkov
    @GeorgeValkov Před rokem

    You should get a fan spin on the naked board. Start attaching cables until it fails. There is a problem.

  • @Darthwriter
    @Darthwriter Před rokem +3

    I'm honestly not sure why you thought this would work. I would assume Apple links most of the hardware at the most base level. Also, it is possible that there is just one little chip in the screen assembly or keyboard/trackpad or even the speakers that Apple somehow checks on boot or power and won't boot without "Seeing" said chip. But I appreciate your devotion to the attempt. Went above and beyond for sure.

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices Před rokem +2

      Because it worked with older MacBooks. You could put a 2012 MacBook Pro logic board into the 2011 model.

  • @calculator2020
    @calculator2020 Před rokem +4

    For someone with a repair shop I think its a great video. Customers do usually have some crazy requests

  • @user-jf4dt8fg4w
    @user-jf4dt8fg4w Před rokem

    I was thinking that Luke is going to swap the SoC between the two, and wondered when did Luke start to do BGA stuff.

  • @user-jb5yc2ec5w
    @user-jb5yc2ec5w Před rokem

    Apparently the configuration of one of the zifs is reversed which causes the board to shorten so it does not turn on at all. Did you try to turn it on only with a screen and electricity and a battery? Have you checked the battery connection configuration?

  • @georgeh6856
    @georgeh6856 Před rokem +13

    If it is a different interface on the keyboard and trackpad, you could try not plugging in the zif ribbon cables for the keyboard and trackpad. Assuming you can still plug in the power button/fingerprint reader, the computer should boot up without any keyboard and trackpad connected, although you obviously would not be able to login unless you plugged in a usb keyboard.
    Do not respond to impostors of this channel who reply here. They will take all of your money. Be careful.

  • @brianthreedee
    @brianthreedee Před rokem +4

    Really enjoyed this video, though subjectively pointless, it’s always cool to see if it’s possible! On a side note, I’d love to see the impact of installing a second SSD onto the M2 motherboard. Does Apple offer a configuration with the second SSD? If So, how does that compare in the performance areas? Thank you for the video, and it’s insights!

    • @ArielGonzalez1
      @ArielGonzalez1 Před rokem +1

      Soldered ssd, so technically there is no "second ssd" and just more storage

    • @brianthreedee
      @brianthreedee Před rokem

      @@ArielGonzalez1 So regardless of the storage configuration ordered for the M2 MBP 13”, it would still only be a single SSD soldered to the motherboard?

    • @flamingkillermc2806
      @flamingkillermc2806 Před rokem +1

      @@brianthreedee No 512gb or higher will have 2 chips not one. Only base model is 1 which is half the speed.

    • @brianthreedee
      @brianthreedee Před rokem

      @@flamingkillermc2806 So then it would be interesting to see if any SSD performance difference between M1 1TB model and M2 1TB model. I would initially think performance on SDD level would match, but memory buffering might have impact.

    • @stoinks224
      @stoinks224 Před rokem

      @@brianthreedee he is idiot onlyone storage on bath only channel is two channel max and minimu 215 gb 1 channnel for transfer

  • @quikmath8071
    @quikmath8071 Před rokem +1

    Me: Tim (Cook), what's the point of MBP13 with only chip upgrade?
    Tim: The new models are more Luke Miani-proof.
    Luke: cracking his knuckles.

  • @beckamsalvatore1422
    @beckamsalvatore1422 Před rokem

    I absolutely love Luke Miani humour

  • @panzerfan
    @panzerfan Před rokem +7

    The parts are all serialized to go with a specific Mac. You ain't getting around that unless if you are creating a repair on GSX, Luke. Good luck being an authorized service provider just so that you can create a repair on that one.

    • @prayhe
      @prayhe Před rokem

      I mean yeah apple does this with the newer iPhones but where did you find out that this is the case here aswell?

  • @Evie0133
    @Evie0133 Před rokem +4

    Everyone else: M2 MBP IS BORING lol
    Luke: imma swap da boards baybee

  • @raitis2112
    @raitis2112 Před rokem

    Try disasebling MB pro 16 2019. There are a lot ribon cables + like 30 screws need to be removed to remove logic board.

  • @zensonize
    @zensonize Před rokem

    Random thought, i once remove my mbp logic board to repaste the cpu after assembly the device didn't boot up until I connected the power cable. I didn't see you connect power cable after doing logic board swap. Don't know is that the case?

  • @Squgglebum
    @Squgglebum Před rokem +3

    After your expandable Macbook Studio experiment I was certain this wouldn’t work.
    I still watched buddy……thanks for your video and keep it up! 🙏

  • @misbahhammoud
    @misbahhammoud Před rokem +7

    The question now, can you downgrade an M2 to an M1? 🤔

  • @Asrock73
    @Asrock73 Před rokem

    Beyond the storage chip missing, there are a lot of changes with the surface mint components.

  • @bits2646
    @bits2646 Před rokem

    Probably it's the battery controller which on macs is on the battery itself, even with the charger plugged it goes via bat ctrlr, the kbd and mpad would work just wouldn't interface