Differential Lockers! ARB vs Yukon vs Detroit vs Spool
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
- Lincoln locker, Spool, Lunch box locker, ARB, OX, Yukon, Eaton, Detroit. So many options for off-road traction. Today, I want to distill this down to something a little more manageable for those of you that are new to the off-road world. I'm give you a combination of facts and opinion to help give you a little more confidence in choosing what will work best for your 4x4. Enjoy the video!
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There's a lot of "this is my opinion" and unlike almost all other locker comparison videos there was no "this locker is trash". Your opinion boiled down to "they all do something different, find one you like and use it". A very good and informative video!
Thanks buddy 👍
Agree 100%, nice to hear pros and cons about all, not just "this one is junk, this one is superior"..just good useful info on all! Good jod!
I have a front Eaton locker and it works great except in northwest mud. The design makes it unlock when traveling forward and reverse till it will lock again, to get out of a mud pit. Most situations it works fine but not if you have to do short burst of forward and reverse. My brother runs an ox cable and I really like it. Just like a motorcycle throttle cable, the guys that dont maintain it have problems.
@@DirtLifestyle a lot of european 4x4 army,had cable/handle lockers,like the haflinger,ect..front,rear,& centre lockers..
Installed prices for different options is always a consideration in making decisions like this
You know your an offroad addict when something that keeps you up at night is wondering if metal shavings will collect on the electromagnet on lockers lol :D
Lol
@@DirtLifestyle you can solve that issue by having a strong magnet on your plug for the diff housing - the electromagnet is only on when you have the locker actuated, and it shouldn't be strong enough to 'steal' the metal shavings from the magnet on your plug
@@DirtLifestyle I will test this theory out. I did the Eaton E-Locker in my D-35 last year along with new 4:88 gears and I'm about to do an inspection to see how the gears are wearing in.
There's nothing worst than shavings on my magnet!! HaHaHa
@@this_tj_krawls What's the verdict?
My god dude you were meant for this YT stuff. Simple straight to the point with a production quality better than some of the bigger offroad names on YT. Hats off to you man. I am digging the content.
Thanks! I appreciate the huge compliments! 👍
@@DirtLifestyle Hey man I tell it how it is. You Channel is one of a few I can stand. No BS filler, and on point with facts. on top of that
you are Honest.
@@mikehancho5286 100% I learn something in every video. It may be how to approach a line or how you can probably afford to suck a little at welding, as you figure it out.
@@donewhiskey Same here. I lost a lot of my wheeling skills when the wife,and I started to have kids. They are 6,and 3 now. My JKUR is finally to the point I would trust it taking the family out on the local trails. These vids especially the slow motion me remember how to pic lines, and technique. Also the fabrication is extremely helpful since I am 100% self taught , and just picked up a Omnie Pro 220 welder to learn. I have a truss kit, LCA skids, and track bar brackets waiting to get burn on. his vids help alot. I share most of his vids my Jeep club since we are predicated on the beginner level side here in WA.
Mike Hancho I totally agree
Watching this I could almost smell the gear oil lol
Changed a Ford 9 inch at a racetrack On a long weekend race event. No good change of clothes smelled like gear oil all weekend. Oh to be young and stupid again LOL
Just saw your comment about smelling the oil and made my stomach turn. Ive spent the last few days rebuilding my front end. Smells so burnt im still smelling it.
Totally want OX lockers!
I personally love OX lockers. They have some of the best customer service I've seen, and I've never broken one. Broken plenty of axles never an OX. And it is a monster locker.
I broke a HP D44 OX.
Had a 4.0 YJ on 38" Boggers & was trying to climb a nearly vertical 30-ish foot high dirt bank. Came down from a 2-3 foot wheelstand on the Rev limiter & when those paddles bit into the dirt I broke a Yukon stub shaft which must have bashed hard on the spider gears and snapped all the locking teeth off the actuator side axle gear.
Couple things - I had been beating
on that locker for 4-5 years at this point (and this wasn't the first shaft breakage), I had converted the spring loaded shifter mechanism over to a solid spacer so I could feel when the locker was engaged (had engagement issues in freezing temps with the spring loaded shifter) - but hadn't checked the cable adjustment in quite some time, and I was being very abusive when this failed so while I think OX's locker design was a contributing factor (their locking teeth are backcut making the root of the tooth weaker) - it wasn't shocking that something ultimately let go during this abuse.
A good friend of mine ran the manual ox locker for years. Never had any issues. He wheeled that thing hard. Hes snapped ring and pinnions and chromoly axle shafts and the locker held up. Then again he's also a mountain biker and knows how to set up cables.
PiperProductionsInc. 😂😂😂
I had an Ox Locker for 10 years in a D60 front end. Never had an issue hammered it every summer Moab / Colorado / New Mexico.
OX locker is the way!!!
Love my Detroit's. They are both over 25 years old and still working.
I've been running a Detroit for a few years in the rear with an ARB front. Just in the process of changing it for an Ashcroft (air) now for a couple reasons. First, the Detroit really made me push the front in tight turns to the point where last year on the Dusy (very tight trail) a friend in a similar truck with 10" more wheelbase was making turns I couldn't. Second, I've broken a couple axle shafts in it and it always seems to shock load the remaining axle and twist it in the process. I can't categorically state that's due to the Detroit - it could be both shafts were twisting splines and I only saw it when tearing down to repair, though I've had several other people tell me they've seen the same thing with a Detroit.
This may be the best and simplest breakdowns I have seen of varying types of diffs and lockers. Well done friend.
This is one of the most informative videos on this subject, especially talking about tire size. Very helpful thanks!
I really like the benefits of the Ox locker. I can't wait to see you do an install. Great job👍
Thank you, Nate. Excellent information on lockers and differentials.
I've ran the Yukon Grizzly in the rear and Zip air locker up front in my TJ. 7+ years with only o-ring replacement last year. +regular maintenance
Right on! Totally agree with that last bit there about whats right for you. Love you're work, Keep it up. You have a fan here at the holy land.
Great video & thank you for all the great information. Please keep the great videos coming, I have not been disappointed with any of your video content.
I've been watching your content for quite some time. Fairly new to the off-road scene - just a few years now. Somewhat unintentionally my wife and I started exploring local B or C unmaintained roads just for kicks. As the roads became more intense we started to modify or family hauler, starting with tires and going from there. A year ago I bought a dedicated "rig" (not a Jeep). Now looking for a TJ to start playing with. Point of my story, we knew next to nothing and your content has been hugely helpful, a guide even. So much incorrect info out there - really appreciate your content. Keep it up.
I just like the way you put things. Not to hard to fugue things out what works for you is best for you. Great job
Great video Nate, lots of good info for people trying to decide what lockers to run. One thing that I thought you should mention is the fact that with a full case auto locker or a lunchbox locker they can be unlocked with a little driver skill on the trail by building a little momentum just before you turn or want the locker to open, then lifting off throttle or clutching in for a second, locker will unlock then lock again when you apply power. The reason i mention this is because i have been doing it forever and didnt even realize it until i drove something with selectable lockers and realized they are like a spool or welded diff in this aspect, and dont seem to unlock instantaneously, like i would want. P.S. got my DL hat and T shirts yesterday, thank you! love the hat, and i am a picky hat guy!
So well laid out, well done dude. I appreciate the bluntness and IMHO is exactly what I'm looking for in these kinds of videos, No bias.. just factual based opinions.
Good stuff Nate I’ve been running a Detroit locker in the rear and lock right in front of of my 73 bronco for last 10+ years they work great but the lock right is locked all the time saving up for a e-locker keep up the good work I’ll keep watching.
I have to say that I'm really liking the channel now that you're full time! Helping beginners to custom fab work is a great way to get a diverse group of people involved. I don't live in Moab and don't need to build something that would be for that terrain only. Keep up the great work!
Thanks!
I recently upgraded my limited slip in a ten bolt to an eLocker in a Dana60. I always thought the posi was working good enough, but the eLocker performs amazing. Oh, and moved to a Yukon Grizzly out back. I do things in Rwd that I needed 4wd before. I should have locked up years ago. Thanks for a great video Nate, good content well delivered as usual. Be well.
Yup running my ARB's off my Powertank also. Clean setup over the compressor
You nailed it on the "marriage" sentiments at the end! Great video as usual, thanks Nate!
I've had an OX in my jeep with a d35 for 4 years now and it's been flawless operation so far I love it!
Another very good, clear and concise video - I'm not into the offroading stuff, but check out your videos now and again because they are good information that can sometimes be applied to the stuff I am interested in.
Yup, a conventional, open differential delivers the same torque to each tyre - if one has only 10% of the traction of the other, the tyre witht he good traction will still only get up to that 10%, with the any excess engine torque just leading to wheelspin of the lightly laden tyre.
It is important to realise that just because one tyre slips, BOTH are actually getting the same torque!
Witht he torsen, that brake technique works well, sometimes using the inertia of the lightly loaded wheel can be enough to get a 'kick' when applying a sudden throttle input.
Nate, thank you for your enlightened opinion I’m sure your years of wheeling Has given you a great perspectivedo. Thanks for the great video keep up the good work I cannot wait to see what you were going to do next. 😎
By far the most easily understandable and informative chanel on this type of content, with shots and footage and editing better then anyone else out there. Keep it up!
Thank you!
dude love it. im really lovin your intro videos also. I could probably watch that all day. keep it up
Well done! best video I've seen on lockers
Great video Nate.
I'm currently running an OX d44 33spline in the rear and a Eaton E-Locker d30 hp 27spline in the front. 00 XJ on 35s. I love the simplicity of the E-Locker(switch, install, quietness) it does take half to a quarter tire turn forward/back to engage. The OX manual shifter is noisy at over 40mph on the street(if you have MTs not as noticeable) but as soon as you engage it in become a Spool. If I'd do it all over again I would do E-Locker's front and rear, but if I was dedicated rock crawler I would do OX all the way. Keep up the Awesome videos👍🏻👍🏻
There was a bunch of us in a club back in 80 's & early 90's and we all ran Detroit Lockers. Over a 10 year time frame there were no breakages and I replaced one set of springs. I think in a non computerized rig they are the best you can get. I used "E" lockers in the newer Jeep stuff and they worked great. I never hit the button under load. It only takes a second to hit neutral or rolling in a non loaded situation . A friend of mine runs an Ox and so far no issues. Your points are excellent in. my opinion especially on brand loyalty. You have a great channel!!
And I am NOW educated on lockers!! Thank you!! Great video!!!
Fantastic music selection as always Nate! One of the best things that helps you stand out imo, the first video on BJ you made this was the first thing that sold me on your videos and one of the things that I loved the most! Keep up the good work!
Thanks buddy! That means alot 👍
I will be starting with Eaton Torson lockers in my 06’ LJ; because I’m currently running 32/11.50’s. Once I go to 35’s and re-gear, I will be changing the rear to the manual OX locker. I really like the idea of the simple direct reliability of it. Just like JEEP 😊
THANKS, I've been waiting for this video from YOU! Love this channel!
You nailed it man, great info! Now got a better view on what options to go with !!! Worth subscribing to your Chanel !!!
Nice video Nate thank you. You answered a lot of my questions and your'e ending comments are what I needed to hear.
I love your channel Nate!! We love Ashcroft lockers here in the UK. I need to afford a pair.
I just recently got back into a Wrangler about 2 months ago and can’t stop watching off-roading videos (both yours and other channels). I just started my build (which will unfortunately be used for the street most of the time) but am always learning about off-roading. Despite not using my Jeep how you use yours, and not being very mechanically inclined, I appreciate the fact you know your shit inside and out and take the time to explain a lot of things to people like myself who aren’t very skilled when it comes to mechanics. Keep up the good work and keep the vids coming 👍🏼
Thank you very much! I appreciate you taking the time to rewrite a positive comment 👍
I put the Yukon Grizzly in the rear axle of my Toyota and I love it. It was a little weird getting used to on the street, but overall not bad. The off road performance pros far outweighs the on road cons. Great video!
Ox lockers are where it’s at. My previous Jeep had one in the rear and it was wonderful.
I have an OX in my LJ. I opted for 35 spline. Moly shafts and trussed with a Tri-4. Wanted to keep it as strong as possible while keeping it narrow as I could without having to build a set of narrowed 60's (no time). I absolutely love it. Customer service is top notch and and the drive away lock made it for me.
Loved the video and you make some solid points. Myself had ARBs and when I had one seal go bad I lost both lockers over an air leak. So personally I will never get arbs again but the lockers are super high quality. Just my two cents and keep up the great videos Nate!!
Great video. However I think it would've been also good to discuss the different lockers pros/cons for a steering axle and also how having locking hubs can affect locker selection. Some thoughts for another video 😊
Really like the way you share knowledge, I went with lunchbox lockers in my cruiser, l would say the worst with a manual, it would buck, chirp, and lock/unlock terribly, I switched to an auto (th350) and it’s awesome, I only hear a slight click in parking lots. Keep doing your thing man. If I had the money I’d do ARB front and cable locker rear.
Had my ARB's for like 10 years now, only had to change the seal of one once, been super reliable.
Very helpful video. Yea you should make a video of the ox locker
I had an OX locker, once it was adjusted correctly, I had no issues with it. The cable actuate the locker with a spring so if the cog gear is not aligned with the side gear, it will not cause a problem, and once the wheel is aligned, the spring load snap the gear and lock the diff. Worked very well.
Nate you’ve simplified lockers from my Perspective thank you
Great! I did my Job! 😁
Thank you , I learn a lot today. I like your honest opinions! Yours is base from real, true experience. Aloha
I have dual manual cable lockers in mine. You hit the nail on the head, only issues you're ever going to see is something with adjustment. I've had them for years and never a single issue...after adjusted right.
I have Detroit lockers front and rear in my 93 YJ. Great video Nate....! Thanks for your hard work.
I have the same on my 95 YJ. Have you ever had any issues. I currently do.
Your videos are great, and I respect the production value and the honesty of your videos, I have had the best experience with mechanical lockers (cable) such as on a lot of 20th century soviet off road vehicles and G wagens, I’ve never had one fail worst case scenario the cable stretches and the locker is only partially engaged, but I’ve neither had an airlocker fail but on the ARB locker I have had differential casings pull apart understrain on 37s
Thank you so much for the way you do videos and give great info.
Great video... I run x2 cable lockers in my FJ40 land cruiser, Ive had them in my vehicle for around 20 years running a chev injected V8. They have never let me down, I’m using morse heavy duty cables. Cheers Wayne NZ 🇳🇿
Great video. Kept on topic and very open to options. Thumbs up
I have OX lockers front and rear and have never had a single issue. They have been awesome and the the positive lock and unlock at the moving of a lever is the best part.
great video!! I love the idea of the OX locker but pricey. I went with the Yukon Grizzly lockers, never even need to think about it it off-road and they'll most likely outlast the Jeep with my type of off-road riding. On road has a few small issues that you get use to but overall I'm 100% satisfied with them.
Agree what others have said - it's great to see a product review that's not about somebody selling something and that has an open mind. For what it's worth, my "it sees street use only" Xterra came factor with a rear electric locker. Never had any trouble with it. I do use it once in a while, mostly for fun, in deep snow. Works fantastic. As far as the metal shavings go, my take is that if you're making metal with your gears, that you've already got a problem going on...the magnet is only going to pick it up if it's in the fluid or flying around, it won't pick it up if it's just sitting in the bottom of the case. Can't be that strong.
Great video! Thanks for the upload.
I ended up with a mechanically actuated (by cable)ox locker in my high pinion d30 I had built by sff customs. I also got "the slug" lol It just got here with the 8.8 so I'm gonna try and put them into my tj in the next couple weeks. Pretty dirty so I'm cleaning them up and replacing bushings etc. Keep up the hard work!
Another great video. I currently have factory electric lockers. When they go bad I’m switching to air. I want instant on and off, not straighten the wheels and roll forward 10’. Keep with the great videos.
This is great information thank you. I know many years ago... emphasis on many lol... it was very popular to use a Detroit Locker in the rear. Providing a"true" positive locked differential.... which of course exhibited the things you spoke of when on the street and cornering, creating tire scuff ... then in the front guys would use a limited slip to allow for a little better control in turning but still have the power to both wheels. The hardcorps rigs were locked both front and rear... of course this was in the time before air lockers and those I remember were immediately loved for use in the front so you could turn them on and off. Of course two things, we didn't have many using tires larger than 32 or 33 in diameter, just wasn't any except for a few Tractor tires... and everyone used locking hubs... so now that I am looking to get back into the offroad world. I am really looking at this. A true locker in the rear and a selectable system in the front. Thank you for your insight and information.
I kind of love that you have so many carriers just laying around for your examples.... I HAVE WANTED TO TRY AN OX FOR YEARS!! Eeeeeeeveryones all like, "ARBS OR NOTHING". That settles it. When I lock up the LJ, im getting OX. For the same reasons you listed, the cable seems like such a simple straightforward solution. I've thought so for years. Thanks for the video man. Great stuff.
Only locker i've ever owned was a detroit "soft locker" (what a horrible name for that locker). Always worked great! Man it had some squirly road manners sometimes. I'd run one again, but ive heard the in coil suspensions they're even worse (i had it on my YJ, on leaves). That thing scared the hell out of me the first time in unloaded. KLANG! and practically sent me into another lane of traffic. Ya get used to it though. :P
Great stuff as usual Nate! I really appreciate that you separate your opinion from the facts. We can disagree and keep it friendly. And you are right about what I have/sue is the best. Every body like to think that whether it's true or not. Stay well and God bless.
Your outro comments were great - summed it up - takes the stress out of the decisions. Cheers Nate.
Great video. Really appreciate how you saw that there is a lot of opinion in it and not to take it all as fact. Like you said, hit the nail right on the head, so many people say that their locker was the best locker choice because they have it. That’s just how car people are lol
With that being said I went with Eaton E-lockers. My decision was made based off the rubicons. They come factory with E-lockers and they’ve been working for years. So I figured why not E-lockers. This is my first set of lockers so we’ll see how well they hold up. If they do, fantastic, if not then I’m not opposed to going to ARB. Great video man!
3 years on my Eaton electric lockers, fluid changed with re-gear and very little debris. Great job on describing all the diff's.
What a great demo, I just picked up a new Beast that has front and rear lockers, I can't wait to get out there and make a video of it just a tad bit much snow on the ground right now...fingers crossed for the weekend forecast 🤞
Great video!! Thanks for your honesty and your Opinion. I learned a ton and will definitely make a way more informed decision.
I believe your information bus VERY helpful, very open minded about the different options thank you for that. Great content
Thank you 👍
Great down to earth video. Much appreciated.
Ran ox cable operated in my rig. That thing was freakishly good. 375hp granny gears deep water, rocks on 35” tires full size truck
I have a Detroit in the rear, Dana 70. And ARB up front in the 44. Love them both.
Great video content as always Nate!
Just ordered an ARB and a set of Yukon gears this week! Can’t wait!
How are they working out? I'm about to pull the trigger on 4.56 Yukons and a ARB for the rear in my Xj.
@@dano8065 zero issues. Have had them installed for about 9 months now and have put about 1,500 road miles on them and some serious trail abuse. I’ve broken 2 front shafts (1 stock and 1 chromoly stub shaft) and 2 sets of u-joints and the rear gears/ARB are perfect.
Had a 2009 jeep JKU with a Detroit Trutrac up front and Detroit Locker in the rear and loved the setup off road.
I run an ox locker in my xj, only one adjustment to make and that’s the free play at the lever. They giver very specific directions on how to do it, also I like the fact that if I wanted I could very simply make my ox electric just by adding the actuator, they still use a cable on their elocker.
As usual you have made a great video on a great subject.
Very well informed and intelligent review, Nate. Nice job.
I'm building a 97 rock crawler now. 2004 Rubicon tcase, and 44s front and rear. Chromoly, RCV, and Elockers. 4.56, 37's to start and a Golan 4.6 stroker. Almost went OX. Loved the video
Youre right. Im a drifter and i DO love this!
Lol
I run E-lockers front and rear on my rig and in general I like them. The only two downsides to an E-Locker is rotation to engage and having an electric wire which is relatively exposed to water and mud at the diff pumpkin. I’ve not had the wire fail but I figure it’s a matter time if you go threw wet terrain. Engagement rotation just forces you to plan ahead and engage your lockers before you hit an obstacle otherwise you’ll have to back up, engage and re-approach. If you engage once you’re stuck you risk a bit of stress on the axle when one tire is spinning and the other isn’t when suddenly the rotation is complete and both shafts lock. Always best to lock when stopped and get the engagement with both tires rotating at the same rpm
Good content. You explain this very well. Love the channel.
Great information here! I have a Detroit in a 8.8 in my TJ and the only time that I find that it loses it's street manners is when Im turning from a stop and I get on the gas a little hard it tends to engage rather harshly lol.
Great video man, super helpful overview of the locker i need...thanks for the upload..:)
Great video man I have always been kind of a Hobart locker guy and I've welded up all of my rigs for strictly off-road none of my on-road off-road I got a 88 Suzuki samurai that I'm going to put a little mini spool in and see what it does but you talking about the cable lockers that might be ultimately what I do just for the simple fact of what you said you can get those slugs and put them in there and take them out great video loved it man keep it up
As always, great video! When I lived in America, I had a D2 with a Detroit auto locker in the rear and a TruTrac in the front. With the Traction Control in the D2, in worked amazingly with the front TruTrac. A torsen LSD multiplies the traction from side to side, so when a wheel lifts, the torsen cannot multiply 0 traction. However once it gets working with the Traction Control, its by far the closest you can get to the full performance of a locker in my opinion. Now that I'm back in New Zealand, I run a D1 with an auto locker in the back and an E-Locker up front. The E-Locker is awesome, my one has a sealed solenoid so there's no issue of detail shavings building up on the magnet, and I run super strong magnets on my drain and fill plugs to keep any filings out of the important parts! Been very reliable so far.
I've known a lot of Rover guys who love their TruTracs, especially as you mentioned in the D2 with it's TC to help 'brake' a lifted tire. But I've also wheeled beside basically identical trucks to mine (D1 vs RRC for example) and seen my true lockers (ARB front/Detroit rear) give me an easier time than the TruTracs. I think they are a great option until you get into more serious crawling where having a tire fully in the air is more likely.
I have an eaton trutrac in my ranger, 8.8 with 4.10 and 32s. Now I don't rock crawl or anything like that but I deal with mud, ice, and gravel a lot and I couldn't be happier with it.
Excellent video, and VERY informative. Thank you 👍🏼
4 years with Ox, Air actuated lockers front & rear in my XJ... never any issues and no seals to fail, ever
wont be dissapointed if you ever pick one up
I lincoln locked an old 9inch I had in my CJ. Loved it off road and honestly it was ok on the street as I never travelled far or fast. One saturday went wheeling with ex and two kids and traveled 50km back home on paved roads at 80-90 kmh. Next day went to the bank and made a 180 around a parked car and then a 90 the opposite way into parking spot and snapped an axle shaft. Towed home on wrecker...pulled it apart and it was obvious that it had been half broken for awhile as there was rust on half the breakage. Had buckshot mudders Q78 which were a tall 33-34inch. If you have a spool or lincoln locker hopefully you are over built for the tires you are running.
Nate this music is the best of all your videos. I like a nice smoky blues!
Excellent video!! It took me 5 Jeep’s and a few friends builds to figure this out!!
Running a Lokka in the rear of my XJ sitting on 33s and an auto. DD with 400-500miles a week on pavement and this performs real well. Off-road - my little XJ impresses everyone watching. I'm happy and I'm not broke.
I have Detroit lockers now in my jeep on 35" and they are pretty OK both on and offroad. I agree that any larger tire size and they would not perform. I had OX lockers in my old CJ5 build on 40s. Could not ever complain about them except maybe the handles were a little short and my old beat up hands struggled were I mounted them to pull in, but that's my creation with the build. As always great video Nate.
Hi, I forgot to say, the Dana 44 was in a1960 Willeys Jeep, CJ 5, with 33 12.5's, tires. This is a good video. It covers the subject very well good job Nate .
I have an Aussie locker in the front of my xj; it has no problem locking up, but it occasionally won't unlock on the street. Only issues I've run into this is when I'm turning hard on icy roads, but it's never unpredictable. Money well spent on a high school budget.