Spain vs. Brazil reaction: Is Vinicius Junior’s on-field behaviour an issue? | ESPN FC
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- On The Gab and Juls Show, Stewart Robson joins Gab Marcotti to break down what we learned from Spain and Brazil’s thrilling 3-3 draw as they prepare for the summer’s international tournaments.
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Vinicius doesn't party like Neymar. He won't lose his talent..
He got angry issues, he should deal with it
In 21/22, vs Mallorca, there were racist chants toward Vini & Rodrygo. Maffeo & Railo went out to injure both of them(Railo succeeded & called Rodrygo a "good kid but soft), Vini avoided Maffeo & he got a yellow card. Vini posted a pic of him bodying Maffeo with dribbling & Maffeo posted a pic of him aiming for his knee.
Media gave attention to rotten players, Maffeo labelled Vini as a provocateur & that he deserved. Since then, media went on with this narrative of provocateur. I am sick of parasites in the media that create hate & stir up toxicity.
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Objectivelly speaking, what's the issue? He plays well, dribbles and then when he scores he has to hear 50 thousand people being racist... Is playing well a bad thing now? I never see Vini making dangerous fouls against other players, except for when that Leipzig player made a foul on him and the referee didn't give the dude a deserved card.
He got yellow card straight up ! You don’t give red for that ! Even if he wasn’t got please punish There is absolutely no need for vini to punch him. Vini loses him temper easily ! Even he was arguing with joselu against Spain . He feed to just focus on football ! Not what fans do !
Imagine if you always feel a lot of aggressive comments and reactions from crowds and press, even when you play well and do your job very well?
What these racist people want is what the most of black players do: just play and accept it without complaining. Vini jr is fighting against these culture and is a proud black player. If he was white, nothing of these complaints wouldn’t even happen. Much more violent and with less talent were applauded and well received by both crowd and press.
i agree w you i don’t get it either bruh
@@sumethanarulanantham9676Vini was arguing with Morata not Joselu
@@tjkong6096 then you must have missed it !
Focusing on the reaction rather than the cause of the reaction is typical for certain race.
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So everyone can provoke people now, what do you want???
@@footballak7133vini is the bad guy and will always be the bad guy in your world.
Inevitably the behavior of Vinicius becomes the focal point. There is so much more emphasis placed on the behavior of the victim of racism than the fans, players & institutions who are racist.
Can we get segments solely focused on how to dispel racism from the sport instead of this garbage?
Exactly. They always try to blame the victim, just to hide how low they themselves are
I disagree that there is more emphasis on the behaviour of the player. This is the 1st rime I've heard the question asked in MSM.
The fact that they mention Ramos, and how he doesn’t get as much stick, despite doing even worse than Vini is peak of the hypocrisy
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@@outofthetrash5925 I think maybe you just dont speak Spanish. Coverage in Spain is DISGRACEFUL.
Funny they mention Neymar falling and rolling and his bad fame (which I agree), on a match that Spain scores 2 goals of controversial penalties (to say the least) and players falling and rolling to force a penalty call. The Iberian referee was very kind to the hosts of the event.
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You can not compare Neymar to him
You are both hypocrits at the highest heights. Did you say the same about Zlatan's attitude? Explain all you want, there is no excuse for racism so stop victim blaming.
Problem is in Ultras, they are core cause of racism. Average fan who is going to watch football game don't chant racist words.
Exactly
If Mbappe acting up you will bash him. Rm got the narrative
This journalist will focus on unimportant things......Vini is not the problem....you are!
vini is the problem. his rubbish attitude doesn't help him
@@tahmidtaha1169 neither of you guys are 100 sure nobody is ..nobody knows what’s happening in Vinis personal life ..Richarlson just had an interview about that
He is the problem
I’ve been predicting this: If Mbappe goes to Madrid, Vini might be a sub or leave the club if not lucky. We think Rodrygo might be the one but Vini might go first.
Honestly, he will be known mo for his antics on the pitch yet he's very talented.
''Just forget about racism, just focus on the field .'' How can you say stuff like that in plain television ??? Are you for real??
Some people just don't even try to comprehend others' feelings. As long as it isn't with them, it isn't nothing serious
Ok, fine, don't focus on the field, go be an activist instead
The arguements made in this video are ridiculous and enables racism but what I've realised is its the black people with low self esteem who want to be accepted by white people that make the most noise about racism.
Go be an activist then, you people are the modern problem. Can't do a job but talk a full mouth
@@7yep4336dfgvvhturn a blind eye to the racist is why vini had to fight all alone so the next kid can focus only on football. We had to many players ( black or white ) that held up that useless banner that said say no to racism but the only guy you hate is the guy that want real change.
To Stewart, like Souness with Pogba.. everything is about Neymar. He has to project Neymar unto ever Brazilian like they are inheriting the original sin. Vinicius Jr is not a party animal, he does not have scandals in regards to multiple pregnant women & he's not lazy outside of the club, he trains for hours in his personal time like Cristiano.
Stop projecting & labelling Vini as Neymar, it's crazy. Vini dives to protect himself, if you watched the abuse he gets since Castilla days, you'd understand.
Are you f*ck*ng kidding that after EVERYTHING THIS is your title?
"Messi gets on with it", what is he on about? Messi mocked someone who was fighting cancer & fighting death multiple times per game, he smashed the ball towards him too. Messi smashed footballs into audiences, he grabs players by the throat... he did it 3 times last year only. Messi is way more provocative & bigger ego than Vinicius Jr but he's protected by PR & media turn a blind eye.
Finally, someone said it. Messi and CR7 did far worse than Vini has done but they did while being white so apparently that is ok.
ESPN UK a disgrace for this title and video. Take this down.
Your a disgrace for not listening to people opinion, go be an activist
Valid points. Don’t incite but still no excuse for racist abuse
England's flaws are plain to see. Centre of defense and Manager's stubbornness.
The conversation lost direction at some point. You started out well just to lay the blame at the player's feet in the end. The mentality of society and fans should change.
Love how they put England as 2nd favourites after France to win the Euros. What have England done at the national level to earn this respect? Enough of EPL worshipping
Probably not even brazilians think they are favorites this time around.
You're absolutely right. We don't
You're right. I put Uruguay, Argentina and Colombia as candidates. But after these 2 friendlies I think Brazil is ahead of Colombia. Though isn't favorite at all.
There're many brazilians who were not impressed with Brazil's performance...
We know Argentina is in a better place right now, but untill the tournament starts, things can't change.
Ever since the 7-1 we are not expecting too much, lol.
I mean, we will be candidates, but not clear favorites.
Talk about the real issue or don’t talk about it at all
I really wished South America had enough money so our players wouldn’t have to go to Europe anymore to deal and hear horrible racist things!
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People saying he is the problem dont understand black people and dont understand Brazilians. Heckiling and tacism are 2 different people, obviously Spain and many others dont understand that.
First of all they come to a country of different people, these people pay you. Do you think they care about certain people? Your in their ground, you have to respect them as well.
Is he playing in a black Brazilian league? Maybe you should read your comment and clarify what point you're trying to make.
@@footballak7133Europe needs Latin American players more than these players need Europe.
The main issue are Barcelona fans and their media. They've been mocking and insulting Vinicius since day one. Their little brains just can't comprehend that Vinicius has become the best winger in the world and punishes them every game. How is it possible that the boy who struggled in front of the goal now can score for fun? Just bitterness and frustration.
It’s not just Barcelona buddy, there are racists everywhere unfortunately. Why push a narrative that only barcelona fans target Vinicius? That’s just plain ignorant
Did you forget what happened in Valencia.
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@ElayfromLAHonestly I’d say that Barça fans meme him but we usually don’t get racist at least not in the stadium like Atletico fans did for example. Vini does do some things on the field which definitely are questionable however it doesn’t justify racist attacks still tho
Absolutely absurd. Barça have always had their beloved Brazil an players . Racist remarks barely comes from their side. Their beloved Yamal is pitted to be the face of Barça. Ansu Fati was adordned the no.10 Barça shirt.
Vinicius gets insulted by Barca fans sure , but that's mostly reactionary to his antics and less to do with racism.
Barça have a history of beloved Brazilian players with the likes of Ronaldinho. They have always been an inclusive club . And some of the few clubs in Spain that officially support every cause not only in terms of race but also gender.
Curious how much you are watching south american qualifiers because no way right now you can say brazil are favorites when even colombia is playing better than them
Disgusting points. They hire anyone nowadays
i dosent matter where you put mbappe cuz they all have freedom on the field and can go where they find space, you can look at what they are doing now cuz some times they are all on the left side, some times rodrygo is on the right or vini is on the right or valverde and carvajal are there, you dont just get mbappe and put him somewhere
Racist robotic Pep glazers who think fútbol players should be mindless robots
This is Real Madrid the biggest club of all time and we support Vini playing beautiful Brazilian fútbol
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Vini only can play in Madrid. He can't performs for Brazil
When people say things like "oh it's because of vini's attitude " Sergio Ramos and Pepe did worse than vini on the pitch but I can't remember a time they were racially abused
They both received plenty of insults...Ramos still does. It seems like your awareness is pretty limited.
@@sottovoce4626 I've been watching real madrid for years and if you actually read my comment you would realise I didn't say they weren't insulted I said I don't recall them being racially abused bro
The problem started when Real Madrid signed Vinicius when he arrived in Spain he was a meme for everyone and they used bullying him because he couldn't score goals, but when he started to get good at football and started making other clubs suffer with his goals racist attacks turned into anger before he was a meme now they want to hate him. I think things will change when Mbappe and Endrick arrive probably wiil be racism for all real madrid players. Real Madrid will have plenty black players and they will cost a lot damage on Spanish football. How they will challenge them with Vinicius, Mbappe and Endrick?
I predict Mbappe will be the one to force change.
@@michael43567 they will definitely attack him specially after he make Real Madrid waiting for him. They will give a break to Vinicius
They will always attack vini As long Mbappe is the humble black guy they want him to be. @@redpandagency
This whole thing is victim blaming for real. Let’s just name a few guys that got on peoples skin on the pitch and nobody had an issue with and where actually praised for their behavior: Gerard, Cristiano Ronaldo, Maradona, Ryan Gigs, Cantona, Luis Soares. Ibrahimovic. None of those guys were spoken about like they are doing Vini Jr now. His only problem is that he is being an annoying player while black. This whole thing of he needs to just keep his head down and play football and be a good guy that doesn’t complain or bring attention to things is BS.
How is this even a question on this video. There aren't any if or buts. There are lots of player who act like idiots and don't get abused for the color of their skin.
And yet so many players with his skin color have no problems there, but he does.
It's so easier to talk like that when you're white, seated comfortably and watching only. I'd love to learn how mature these people would act if they were 18-19 years old and endured racist abuses for years and years. At the end, the answer? Vini shouldn't provoke too much and play quietly like others. What happens if a white boy has the same attitude as Vini? Would he be blammed like this? Would he have to stop to avoid racism chants? Ffs.
Dont see Rodrygo, Bellingham, Mbappe racially abused at all. Maybe because they don't behave as idiots.
First, your comment reflects anti-white bigotry...so if you're trying to prove a moral point, you're not doing a good job. Second, I assume that if a bunch of "white boys" from Europe played for Santos or Flamengo, you'd probably hear more than a dozen insults from fans. If those same players constantly tried to provoke the opponents and their fans and went on smear campaigns saying Brazil is racist and things must change, they would certainly be disliked
@stanislavlacko7577 are you saying that “acting like an idiot” is an excuse and give others a free ticket to be racist? I see white players acting cocky and being provocateurs in Europe and in South America. They’re called many things, not monkeys or chimpanzees. There have been other cases of racism in Europe with other players that were not as “shiny” and “spotlighted” as Vinicius.
@sottovoce4626 you’re wrong here, mate… I’m not trying to prove anything. I consider myself white, so leave that narrative out of here. You should go and do some research. There’s an enormous number of white boys that are playing in many clubs in Brazil, from many different countries in the world. If they provoke the crowd, they’re booed and they can’t get insulted just like other players. There are many cases where stupid people cross the line, especially in predominantly white population, and they are caught and identified (as many of them have), they go to jail. There’s no discussion around what the player’s done. It’s simply out of bounds, out of question. My point is not every player or human being has the same history and consequent behaviour. Some black boys may have suffered more with racism throughout their lives than others. They will react differently when they’re in this uncomfortable position of being called slurs by thousands of people. It’s very easy for me at my age, and to football analysts in their 50-60s to say that they should chill and just ignore and play.
@@aragao85 Your comment kind of reinforces my point. If foreign white players in Brazil provoke others or behave like idiots, they're jeered as one would expect...maybe crudely insulted by some. The difference here is that there is no international globalist smear campaign by those players or the media against Brazilians, nor should there be. It isn't for globalist media to lecture Brazil and Brazilians on how to run their affairs or their society. Vinicius isn't some "innocent black boy" either. People of all ages make mistakes, but he's been in Spain for many years now, more than enough to learn that you should have a minimum amount of respect for the country and its people (his attitude is FAR from respectful). I think he's shown fervent support for BLM on his social media...that says a lot about him. He's not a victim...more like a race-baiting con artist. I agree his perspective is probably very different (vs older fans), but if he stops acting like a brat the fans' animosity will also dissipate.
El partido de fútbol es muy divertido
His behaviours are undenaiably atrocious
White "sports" journalists talking about racism 😂 What a joke.
So nice to see racist pundits 😢
Naa Spain are 5th I put France, Portugal, Germany and England above them.
Funny how this ESPN panel seems to underlook Portugal
@@lawrencenjawe9875 they don’t have a clue they under look Germany also
lol he paints a target on his back
he just want to play ▶️ EASports whats wrong with that
This was awful. Just awful. It's basically telling the 'black boy' to 'behave and shut up'. Couldn't get someone who relates and with substance to be on this?
Imagine day after day getting verbal abuse and nobody does anything? He doesn't get protection now, and it builds. That's what we're seeing: a young man being verbally abused day after day and nobody cares what he's feeling.
A player's terrible behavior does get negative responses from some fans and the public. Why would his race make him immune from criticism? He's a con artist by the way.
A racist telling us a black guy is a con artis.@@sottovoce4626
Barca youth players are successful overal in the world. Imagine Dani olmo and Xavi simons stayed in Barca 😮
Wow just wow. They just spread BS with their media power. Messi did a lot and didn’t see red cards because he was protected by Fifa
Rondu still salty
VIni had the best moment of his career in the last 3 years. The best games of madrid sinces cr7 left but only time they mention his name is when its related to racism or his "behavior" but they wont mind forcing us on mbappe and halaand. its like vini does not exist to them or france football, uefa or fiffa the best. Everything vini got or will get he took or will take by force, whether its the respect or the awards.
Vini can't be like Neymar
All u talking u can't stop him
Why isn't La Liga starting to punish racists? Why should racism be tolerated in every fucking match? The EPL started to punish racists and it worked.
Stewart "forward runs" Robson
two white dudes discussing racism. that's the comment.
"Everybody loves Messi". That's no true, I don't love Messi. What nonsense!
If i were the Brazil coach I would not let him be anywhere near the national squad until he changes his attitude. He thinks he is the greatest ever, he may have one or two tricks up his sleeve but you will find an abundance of those in Brazil.
Truth is that Europe is becoming more racist and xenophobic every day and everything that was learned from World War II about human rights and civility is being forgotten.
“Shut up and play” that’s what’s these two jokers are saying. Unbelievable. Have you not seen an ENTIRE STADIUM calling him a monkey? The hanging doll off of the bridge? The kid on his mom’s lap calling him a monkey? Goodness gracious. Please Vini, keep on playing, keep on dancing, keep on speaking. This was a punch in the face.
He just wants to play wrestling
What’s wrong with that? 🤷♂️🤷♂️
They continuously cry about vini and massively underrate any Spanish football.
Disgusting ‘reporters’
these friendly matches should not be taken seriously by those current RM players
It is highly recommended and a MUST for Real Madrid management, board of directors, coaching staff, people working in their club who are involved on the transfer-market to permanently sell who are currently out on loan to play for another football club, do not offer a loan with buy back clause or with a number or percentage rights, recall or return players that are currently on-loan by another football club to play for Real Madrid, ageing ((28) years old and above), inconsistent (due to limited playing time, never have played and always on the bench, poor defensively, not performing well), injury prone, those who are not comfortable playing in different position, that MUST happen on or before July 2027. We are referring to Modric, Kroos, José Ignacio Fernández Iglesias "Nacho", José Luis Mato Sanmartín "Joselu", Vasquez, Daniel Carvajal Ramos "Dani Carvajal", Courtois, Alaba, Rudiger, Arrizabalaga, Mendy, Daniel Ceballos Fernández "Dani Ceballos" Jesús Vallejo Lázaro "Jesus Vallejo", Francisco José García Torres "Fran Garcia", Diaz, Juan Miguel Latasa Fernández "Juanmi Latasa", Reinier Jesus Carvalho "Reinier", Rafael Marín Zamora "Rafa Marin", Nicolás "Nico" Paz Martínez, & Arda Guler.
Once they get sold these are the players should be sign based on their positions on or before July 2027.
Right Back: Jesus Fortea, Malo Gusto
Left Back: Alphonso Davies, Miguel Gutierrez
Centre Back: William Saliba, Leny Yoro, Dean Huijsen
Main Striker: Kylian Mbappe
Lastly Real Madrid must never offer a contract to these players for a RIGHT BACK position, that are inconsistent, poor defensively, has disadvantage of height and strength (lacks muscles), proven already that unable to stop wingers/strikers in different leagues, injury-prone, has beyond 60 million euro's transfer-market value, and ageing 27 years old and above, and turning 27 years old and above on year 2027. We are referring to Walker (33), Trippier (33), Di Lorenzo (30), Cancelo (29), Dumfries (27), Mazraoui (26), Wan-Bissaka (26), White (26), Hakimi (25), Alexander-Arnold (25), Dalot (24), Porro (24), James (24), Frimpong (23), Couto (21), Sanchez (20) and Fresneda (19).
As always, focousing on the reaction and not the action. The same happens when a player gets hunted down on the pitch, the referee looks the other way, and when that player looses his cool the press will blame his behaviour and not the idiot that mistok a football game for UFC in the first place. What this commentators are constantly asking of players is that they shut up and entertain us, they aren't seen as normal human beeings, they are expected to be abused and not react to it at all. I don't like a player misbehaving on the pitch either, but from what I've seen of Vinicius career that's not his character, he's just at his limit, beeing silent about it did him no good.
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takes like this r getting old. we hav heard this before. its 2024
Forget about all the racism …. And just play football… hypocrites …they focused on this behavior but not on the racial abuse ..hypocrites….
EVEN.U..YOU.ARE.RICIST
This is B.S coz racism is rascim u just compared him to Ramos and Messi 2 players who pretty much look white. Vinicius should go to England coz he isn't protected in Spain.
Two racists talking about racisms, this is a pure joke!
Madrid only think it is problem if it happen to them
I really like Vinicius fantastic player…tore my team LFC apart in that CL final…those idiots that racially abuse him shame on them, they will amount to nothing. They will achieve nothing, are inferior to Vini in every way..hold your head up high most of us have your back!
He’s being racially abused you talking abt Messi gets up and get on with the game 🤔 make it make sense where is the black players with power like how does this correlate….
His behaviour stinks and he deserves whatever he gets. He's a basic ordinary footballer at best, but thinks he's Messi. Easily the most hated footballer on the planet by some distance.
Vini have victim mentality….and blame his bad performance to something else like racism
What bad performance? 24 g/a in 28 games.
What bad performance? The only place Vini Jr don't play well is for Brazil. And he never suffered racism wearing a Brazil shirt.
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