How I Trained My 8 Ball Fountain
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- čas přidán 16. 11. 2023
- Hello Everybody,
I’ve been trying to make cool, interesting and different types of videos than I have before. I’ve thought of tutorial type videos or just commentaries on how I train and the process to which I worked up to a trick. Let me know if these are interesting and enjoyable. This is my first time making a full video like this and I am still improving and learning especially in the speaking part. So if anything doesn’t make sense feel free to ask in the comments and I’ll do my best to answer.
I acknowledge that some who come across this video may not know siteswap yet, so here is a good reference video to start learning and perhaps understanding what I am talking about in this video:
• Juggling Tutorial: Int...
Here are siteswaps to use to improve your 6 balls:
4 Balls - 642, 633, 561, 66314, 66224, 66611, 6666004
5 Balls - 645 (inside 6s), 64, 64645, 663, 64663, 66625, 66661, 6666605
Here are siteswaps I used in this video with several bonuses that were not presented (I forgot about) but help 8 balls as well:
5 Balls - 645 (inside 6s), 64, 64645, 663, 64663, 66625, 66661, 6666605, 8448641, 8445, 834, 88333, 83833, 8888111, 88441
6 Balls - 864, 855, 756, 88446, 88833, 8888226, 8888811, 88888800
7 Balls - 867, 885, 88847, 88883, 8888881, 888888807
JUST REMEMBER IF A SITESWAP IS PRETTY DIFFICULT TRY TO SET A REASONABLE GOAL FOR THAT SITESWAP LIKE GETTING TO ONE ROUND OR TWO ROUNDS. SOME OF THESE ARE DIFFICULT AND CAN BE PUSHED TO WHEN YOU GET MORE COMFORTABLE WITH OTHER EASIER ONES.
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Id love if you posted more like this. Hearing someone narrate over their training clips is something I find very helpful to me. Either way, great video! Keep up the good work
Good to know! More to come!
Awesome
More vidéos like this one, it's awesome !!!
Great being great at something isn’t it ❤❤😅 I enjoyed your greatness! Striving for greatness in juggling! Thanks
thanks for taking the time to put this video together! a lot of these tips are useful for learning to juggle 6 too - i think i was nearly solid with 6 about 10 years ago, and your videos are an inspiration for me to get back into it :)
Amazing man! I’m glad it was helpful and glad you are inspired!
First time I’ve heard your voice! I’m working on 6…will incorporate your ideas into my training. Thanks Spence 👏
Absolutely looooove this format!
Can you please make a tutorial for how to juggle 7 balls? I’m trying to learn it and it would be really helpful with a tutorial. Love your juggling! 😊
Love this style of video, Spencer! Thanks for sharing your process.
It was one of the most awesome videos I've watched!! :D
Love the format! Great video.
I love this style of video - really insightful to see your methodology while training 🙌
Love the insight! 88883 is such an awesome pattern. Would love to see more of this kind of content, personally.
Bro eres senda bestia un abrazo 🤝🏼❤️🔥🎈y gracias por la experiencia
Great video! Thank you!!🙌🏼
I like that kind of video. The thought process is always interesting.
Such a cool video 💥💥💥 thanks Spencer
I really liked this video Spencer, it's great to get training advice from an expert! 8 balls is out of reach for many, but for 6, we can see that there is a 64-family, a 633-family and a many-6s-family of siteswaps to train your way up to the 6 ball fountain. And the emphasis is on the scoop motion as you mentioned. I would love to see a 7 ball training video with the same format, building your way siteswaply towards it :)
86461, 6|66814 => these may be good training for 8 balls? (I just like them as 5 ball siteswaps)
Love it tanks bro
Great video, impressive stuff, and very good info for building up. I have little question about the patterns 561 / 801: How is it possible to throw the 1 not synchronous with the 5 or 8 from the next round. And then for the pattern 834 : how to enter this pattern? When i try to enter form the 5 ball cascade the last thrown 5 gets in the way of the 3 and 4... Thnx for sharing!!!
Man you are so good, and somehow just watching you helps my own juggling even though I am lightyears away from your level.
After watching this for example, it makes my 5b cascade training seem soooo slow and almost childs play. It is a good thing😁
Thank you! I’m so glad it has been insightful! Keep up the 5 balls and make sure behave patience with it and work on those siteswaps!
@@spencethejuggler Which siteswaps are best? I am 3 months into my juggling journey and can "play around" with 4 balls comfortably but my 5b is stuck around 15 catches. My left arm just won't relax and keeps speeding up the rhythm and causing collisions. I know what is wrong but struggling to fix it.
Very informative , great video, the siteswaps to help with 6 balls in the description should be very usefull as I have been stuck on 6 ball Juggling for years now.😊
I'm so glad it was informative! I hope it helps!
loved this so much would love to see more, keen to see a 7 club breakdown
Hmm.. I have thought about a 7 club one because I get asked about it a lot. I'll try to make it happen.
You are amazing thank you 💪🏼💪🏼
This was amazing! I am sure many of us would love to hear your insights about juggling more often. I certainly know I will watch anything you post!
Question: the pattern looked quite clean, do you see yourself capable of going further than this with enough training? What do you feel would be holding you back? Also, do you see any value in practicing lots of four balls in one hand in order to build endurance?
Thank you so much for the kind comment! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I definitely think I can push 8 ball fountain for longer. I think I just need to gain consistency on this pattern with being comfortable with shorter runs and getting runs over 100 somewhat frequently. I think establishing the foundation and just getting comfortable and consistent with the "scoop throws" technique. My biggest problem was that I would have plenty of collisions for the longest time so not that I've had this break through, maintaining the consistency and perhaps just working through these drills in practice I can build consistency in the accuracy. Basically I just kind of need more repetition of this to keep making the foundation more consistent and then go for longer runs.
Love all the siteswaps, looks like they’d be a lot of fun. I find it interesting you mention a scooping motion, it’s something I’ve been thinking about when practicing my cascade throws and has helped quite a bit with form. How do you picture the difference between a cascade and fountain throw? They’ve started feeling quite similar for me, just with the fountain being held longer.
I think the scooping motion is a vital technique for fountain patterns and it is what separates those patterns from the cascade. I think like the balls have to go up and down in the same hand without collisions, the circular motion is the way to go. I would say for cascade patterns it isn’t really the same technique but if it help I don’t think it’s harmful. I primarily referred to the scoop throw as the technique for fountains.
The cascade has throws straight across and doesn’t necessarily have the same limited space if that makes sense.
@@spencethejuggler Definitely, the likelihood of collisions has made practicing 6 very frustrating, makes me want to skip straight to 7. I can’t even begin to imagine how difficult 8 must be with collisions.
I’ve been heavily focused on form and biomechanics these pasts few months, it’s been a fun journey. By cleaning up my cascade throws w/ 3b I managed to take my 5 ball record from ~200 catches to 600+. Quite surprising to see that much progress without any considerable practice of 5, and just by targeting vanilla 3 site swap. Not exactly profound, but nevertheless fascinating that a focus on the fundamentals can be _that_ advantageous for progressing w/ numbers.
@@cole- yeah I definitely understand. Yeah I especially related a lot with clubs. In a way skipping to 7 isn't always wrong I would argue. But I think there a comes a time that focusing on it will be useful in the long run. I see that even numbers and odd numbers are two different techniques that in the end knowing both is useful just to become a more accurate thrower. so I think you have, as most jugglers, have become very good at the crossing odd number throws and just need to train the even number ones. They are definitely time consuming to work and take a lot of time to create results, but worth it later just as a good foundation.
welcome to the video essay crew 😎
Haha thanks man! I definitely got a lot to learn but it's a cool challenge and thing to try.
Thank you Spencer, i enjoyed this so much!!
One question: do you always approach practice like this, meaning with a specific goal in mind and structuring the practice around that goal, or it's an unusual thing for you?
I usually keep some goals in mind and yes at times structure my practice to go for that trick or pattern. Sometimes I just go and practice and come up with one while there I complete warming up and touching all the things I usually practice and then focus on what I’m interested in pursuing by breaking it down like this.
Thanks for the video!
It's interesting because there are loads of tutorials on how to juggle 3, 4 & 5 balls, but once you get to 6, people have generally learned how to teach themselves. This may be more of a commentary than tutorial, but it's really valuable to hear your thoughts as a high-level juggler on how you warm up for 8.
Two questions I have:
(1) Do you spend any time working on 4 in one hand? Or is that fairly easy for you now that you have juggled 8 for over 100 catches?
(2) Do you work on the synchronous fountain at all? I think when you learn 4 balls, it makes sense to work on sync and async at the same time. Same with 6, though I know sync is less popular. It seems like with the high even numbers, people often pick one base pattern and stick to that.
Thank you for the comment, James! Yes, I agree with you. There definitely aren't many higher level juggling tutorials online. That's one of the reasons I am wanting to make some videos like this because it can provide that type of content. I didn't intend this to be a tutorial but more of a commentary as you said because I am just showing what I do and what I have found useful. I think there are probably many ways to approach 8 ball training.
1) Yes, I personally haven't spent significant time practicing 4 in one hand. I would say it is a good idea. I just often feel that practicing 4 in one hand is an easy way to focus too much one hand rather than both hands working simultaneously (at least that has been my experience). Definitely not opposed to it though.
2) I have done synchronous in the past but I haven't done it much recently. I personally like how the fountain looks more so I decided to focus on it more.
Is it advantageous to run a siteswap that includes 2+ 8s coming from the same hand to really get the scooping motion down? Like 88441 may not be as useful compared to 83833. Would one like 88441 give you help with the speed more than anything?
Sure! I think the 83833 is very very effective. I think the 88441 is good to keep around too though for the sake of warm up and an easier and more encouraging pattern that still helps I'd say. Like I said in the video, some of the more complicated ones are a challenge but often helpful because they match the speed and height of the pattern more accurately.
Absolutely loved this, maybe my favorite video of yours ever (extremely high bar). My goal for this year has been 100 catches of 5 ball, my record is right around 50, but my practice has all been just practicing 5 cascade… is that a bad idea, should I be doing 55500 or 51 on both side more to warm up for attempts? Or is the 8 ball approach not applicable because 8 is just such a different beast than 5?
Nice, how long has it taken you to get to 50 catches? 50 catches of 5b is my short term goal...my best is 15 so far.
@@SteveNinetyskiI’ve been juggling since 10 and I’m 38… hahaha but actually got some Gballz in February and started aiming for 5 in earnest then. Been juggling with second-hobby-level dedication this year. Got 60 catches yesterday! And came up with some more practice site swaps after watching this video, 52512 the most fun of those
It’s weird how the progression has plateaued. For a long time I was stuck at 12-15 max, with things spiraling out of control quickly. Then something clicked and now 40-50 is my max, which I can get to with reasonably high frequency. I think the first plateau was learning the pattern and cadence, and the second plateau is lack of corrections, so things spiral out of control more slowly but still inevitably. I’ve only just recently been able to reverse slight inaccuracies and reestablish the pattern, I think that’ll be needed to get to 100.
Thank you so much for your kind words and I’m glad you found it useful! I mainly shared this video to say that finding siteswaps for the number you are working on is extremely beneficial. Definitely find all the fun siteswaps with 3 and 4 balls that train the ball pattern! I think starting your practice with a proper warm up and proceeding with the siteswaps to work towards 5 will give you a great start to your practice and as from my experience 5 balls will click really well due to the fresh training and repetition.
@@spencethejuggler whoa thanks so much for the response! Yeah I just discovered 5551 which feels great (though its asymmetrical nature is a little annoying… but I’m not good enough for 55514 yet 😂). Thanks for your inspirational work man!
Trails at 2160p, just me?
beast! do you train 80? how long was this particular practice session?
Thanks Byron!
Yes, I personally haven't spent significant time practicing 4 in one hand. I would say it is a good idea. I just often feel that practicing 4 in one hand is an easy way to focus too much one hand rather than both hands working simultaneously (at least that has been my experience). Definitely not opposed to it though.
This practice session (or the focus on 8 balls) took like 30 minutes. But this was within like a 2-3 hr practice with balls, rings, and clubs.
@@spencethejuggler you're a beast dude. I also like 801 for a 6 or 8b warmup.
@@abyssaljuggler ohh nice! I will definitely use that one!