Sweden's CV90 or Germany's Marder - Which IFV is better?

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  • Sweden's CV90 or Germany's Marder - Which IFV is better?
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    Sweden's CV90 or Germany's Marder - Which IFV is better?
    When comparing infantry fighting vehicles, two prominent names that come to mind are Sweden's CV90 and Germany's Marder. Both IFVs have seen extensive service with their respective countries and other operators around the world. These IFVs have undergone several upgrades and modernizations over the years to stay effective in modern warfare. Although there are some similarities between the two vehicles, their design, capabilities, and performance exhibit notable differences. In this comparison, we will take a closer look at the CV90 and Marder and examine their strengths and weaknesses to determine which IFV is better.
    The latest variant of CV90 is a fifth generation IFV designed by BAE Systems for the Swedish Army. The IFV was designed to operate efficiently in the sub-Arctic climate of the Nordic region, providing excellent mobility in snowy and wetland terrains. The vehicle entered service in 1993, and since then it has been sold to several countries, including Norway, Finland, Switzerland, Denmark, Estonia, and the Netherlands. The current variant CV90 mark 4 is highly modular which can perform roles ranging from troop transport to anti-aircraft and anti-tank warfare. The IFV can accommodate a crew of three and transport 6 troops. Since its introduction, around 1280 units have been produced of different variants. On the other hand, the Marder is a German IFV that entered service with the Bundeswehr in 1971. It was designed to replace the older M113 armored personnel carrier and was named after the German word for marten, a swift and agile predator. The IFV has been exported to several countries including Greece, Chile, Indonesia, Jordan, and Ukraine, and it has been deployed in the Gulf War and the War in Afghanistan. The Marder has seen significant upgrades over the years, including improved armor, weapons, and electronics. The latest variant, 1A51 has a crew of three and can transport up to six soldiers. In total, over 2,100 units of different variants have been produced to date.
    Both IFVs pack quite a punch when it comes to their weaponry. The Swedish IFV takes the lead with a more powerful gun that can reach targets from a greater distance. But hold on, the Marder counters with an anti-tank missile that matches the CV90's range. The IFV spices things up with multi-purpose grenade launchers, giving it even more firepower with different types of grenades. However, the Marder brings in a whole arsenal of its own, including anti-tank guided missiles and a rifle, which could really come in handy in specific situations.
    Watch complete video for analysis of mobility, firepower and detailed conclusion.
    Chapters
    Intro 00:00
    Overview of CV90 01:10
    Overview of Marder 01:58
    Design of CV90 02:44
    Design of Marder 03:40
    Design Conclusion 04:23
    CV90 Mobility 04:47
    Marder Mobility 05:11
    Mobility Conclusion 05:32
    CV90 Optics 05:41
    Marder Optics 06:16
    Firepower of CV90 06:46
    Firepower of Marder 07:44
    Firepower Conclusion 08:28
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  • @martinbruce8221
    @martinbruce8221 Před rokem +41

    Found an error in the video. The CV90 40mm L/70 APFSDS-T Mk II IM round is actually capable of penetrating at least 180mm. This in it self wouldn't penetrate any modern MBT from the front but makes all MBTs vounerable from the sides or rear.
    The 60mm penetration value referenced is actually from the old Bofors 40mm L/60 guns AP round and is tech from the 1940's

    • @tomeng9520
      @tomeng9520 Před rokem +7

      Precis, rätt ska vara rätt.

    • @dwwolf4636
      @dwwolf4636 Před 9 měsíci

      170mm would put the LFPs of many MBTs in doubt.
      Certainly most of the T series tanks, Leo2 and Challenger 2 probably the LeClerc and japanese ones as well.

  • @tomeng9520
    @tomeng9520 Před rokem +25

    CV90 is a VERY varied and modular platform, it is kind of it's selling point aswell. There are multiple gun options 30mm, 35mm and the cannon much larger 40mm with various types of ammunition 3p programmable ammunition, turret options, armor options, an AA variant, Forward command variant, Recovery vehicle, a 120mm gun tank hunter variant, and many more.
    1073 BHP in the high end version that is amphibic and extremely mobile in mudd and snow.

  • @Grue_ni
    @Grue_ni Před rokem +37

    The CV 90 clearly wins here, but i think the CV 90 should better be compared to the bradley or the puma....
    As a german i have to say respect to the CV 90, its a very good IFV👍

    • @Davidt1066
      @Davidt1066 Před rokem +13

      same here, as a german i should vote for the marder, but honestly the CV is better in almost every aspect.

    • @1891726
      @1891726 Před rokem +6

      Maybe, but you're also damn good at building tanks. My absolute favorite is the German tiger wagon

    • @alejandrocasalegno1657
      @alejandrocasalegno1657 Před 11 měsíci +2

      The CV90 have a very "German" end against the russians.......😂😂

    • @85daniel
      @85daniel Před 10 měsíci +6

      @@alejandrocasalegno1657 you can destroy every weapon system. But if the crew is OK the CV90 have done the job it was build for. I would certainly prefer to sit in a CV90 instead of in a BMT!

    • @knockonrock7013
      @knockonrock7013 Před 10 měsíci +2

      You have respektfull IFV also..and we bye tanks from you )

  • @boxi3
    @boxi3 Před rokem +55

    I think sweden's CV90 is lot better.

    • @Steeler-wg5zo
      @Steeler-wg5zo Před 11 měsíci

      compared to the RCH 155?

    • @Sachertortehmmlecker
      @Sachertortehmmlecker Před 7 měsíci +1

      CV90 is much newer and certainly better . Marder is relative old but pretty reliable and also strong

  • @Bullinatorn
    @Bullinatorn Před rokem +14

    cv 90 is such a beast with so much capabilities it is easily one of the best ifvs in the world.

    • @Grid88
      @Grid88  Před rokem +3

      There is not doubt about that.

  • @staffangoldschmidt2721
    @staffangoldschmidt2721 Před 11 měsíci +9

    The Marder is a cold war weapon and will soon be replaced by the Puma, the CV90 has many variants and up to date so it is my choise!

  • @globalcitizen8321
    @globalcitizen8321 Před rokem +23

    Marder has been conceived during the 70s, while CV90 is a much recent development, starting around mid 90s.

  • @kentunemo5866
    @kentunemo5866 Před rokem +13

    The CV 90 40 mm 3P ammo with 6-modes outguns most IFV:s...

    • @85daniel
      @85daniel Před 6 měsíci

      The 30 mm of the most IFVs can outgun the CV90

  • @tomeng9520
    @tomeng9520 Před rokem +9

    Lets just put this out there. The CV90, especially the later models are far more dangerous than the Lynx, Puma, Bradley or K21 fighting vehicles. They are more modern, the cannon is much larger (40mm) the types of ammunition 3p programmable ammunition is deadly as hell. It can air-burst at set ranges, it would annihilate every single Russian in ANY trench with ease from kilometers away.
    The weight of this IFV is almost as much as the Russian MBT (main battle tanks). Close to 40 Ton.
    The CV9040 is a highly aggressive vehicle, designed to control the initiative by staying mobile instead of slowing things down to a walk. Aggressive maneuvering is what the CV9040 is designed to do, outmaneuving vehicles and killing them in the flank and charging enemy positions to drop off soldiers right ontop of the enemy.
    These tactics have been part of the Swedish doctrine since the late fifties as seen in vehicles like the PBV301 and PBV302. And it was directly copied from the German playbook of WW2, where the German panzergrenadiers/dismounts fought more often than not from their halftracks, allowing them to keep pace with the tanks and also maintain initiative through aggressive maneuvering.
    A Bradley, Puma, K21 and so on is not designed for that type of combat. It's essentially an APC that drops off troops 100m from the fight. The CV9040 drops off troops within 0-50m from the enemy position, or simply drives up to it and let's the troops fight mounted.
    In Afghanistan it was apparently tremendously deadly. The Danish or Norwegians were caught in some kind of fight/ambush and they annihilated the enemy.
    P.S
    1073 BHP in the high end version that is amphibic and extremely mobile in mudd and snow.
    D.S

    • @85daniel
      @85daniel Před 6 měsíci

      I don't support this statement. Everyone probably has programmable ammunition (I know about Puma and Lynx). The other IFVs consistently rely on better armor. 10mm more in caliber has advantages and disadvantages. I don't think the CV90 is superior to all of them. Otherwise it would have prevailed in America and Australia. But it's good and relatively cheap.

  • @H.P206
    @H.P206 Před 3 měsíci +2

    The Marder is from 1969 and the CV90 is from 1991 so comparing them is like comparing the Mark 3 Tank from WW1 with the Tiger 2 from 1944

  • @WolfHeathen
    @WolfHeathen Před 8 měsíci +2

    Not to forget that the CV90 has ADAPTIV ghost armor capabilities as well.

  • @mr.t993
    @mr.t993 Před rokem +6

    Why are you are comparing an active IFV with a decommissioned one? They were rusting on the scrapyard already for years before they refurbished them for Ukraine. You should have compared the CV90 to the current IFV, wich is the Puma?

    • @crissdiamond1907
      @crissdiamond1907 Před rokem

      The Puma is not operational due issues with the engine and gun turret!

    • @eagle-gx4qf
      @eagle-gx4qf Před rokem

      @@crissdiamond1907 That's not true. The Puma was poorly maintained and has passed the latest tests. Thanks to savings, the Bundeswehr is not able to maintain this tank and therefore it has failed in use. The industry has now taken over the maintenance and repair of the Puma.

    • @crissdiamond1907
      @crissdiamond1907 Před rokem

      @@eagle-gx4qf are you accusing the Germans for having a poorly maintenance 🤣… don’t think so, Germans are well known for excellent machinery and maintenance.

    • @eagle-gx4qf
      @eagle-gx4qf Před rokem

      @@crissdiamond1907 yes not in this case. there was an investigation into why the puma tanks had failed. it was up to the inexperienced soldiers to the technology of the tanks. That's why they are now maintained by the manufacturer. As a German, I don't find it that funny. 🙄

    • @crissdiamond1907
      @crissdiamond1907 Před rokem +1

      @@eagle-gx4qf never thought it was possible that Germans had issues with the maintenance… thats all, it is like you have been lied to all your life😉

  • @globalcitizen8321
    @globalcitizen8321 Před rokem +4

    Argentina's TAM (Tanque Argentino Mediano) belongs also to the Marder family, albeit armed with an L7 105 mm gun.

  • @LordOfSweden
    @LordOfSweden Před rokem +31

    Countries I trust the most with Quality of things
    1. Sweden
    2. Germany
    3. Japan
    4. USA
    Im Swedish 😆

    • @D-F-D-F
      @D-F-D-F Před rokem

      USA does not appear on my list. Their quality in many things is trash

    • @Lucas_steel
      @Lucas_steel Před 9 měsíci +1

      I’m also Swedish

  • @kentnilsson465
    @kentnilsson465 Před rokem +4

    This was published a few hours ago but still couldnt add that Czech republic and Slovakia hos chosen it for purchase? Also, is this really relevant due to the CV90 being a much newer design?

  • @mikaeljonsson4686
    @mikaeljonsson4686 Před rokem +4

    Strangest thing is that the Brits are still trying to get their failure AJAX IFV to work instead of going with the CV90 that British BAE Systems is a co-developer with Swedish Hägglunds.... weird...

    • @2canines
      @2canines Před rokem +1

      I guess some people are getting a good cut of that ajax project money.
      They probably have no passion for IFVs, but are passionate about the cut.
      That is usually how you get a fails project, or the project manager is an incompetent narcissist, or both.

  • @rabanvonstudnitz771
    @rabanvonstudnitz771 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Sort of difficult to compare weapon systems / platforms that are a whole generation (30 years) apart from one another.
    It would have made more sense to compare current systems.

  • @spejarn
    @spejarn Před rokem +9

    If we're talking Ukraine i'd say the CV90 will probably be pretty effective against trenches since its ammo can explode above said trenches and pepper it with shards.

    • @pacta4306
      @pacta4306 Před 10 měsíci

      They are actually designed for and excel in woodland operations and should be used there and not open fields imo.

    • @spejarn
      @spejarn Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@pacta4306 They did pretty well in the open fields of Afghanistan, just because it excels at one thing doesn't mean it's useless in other fields.

    • @Hallvard0
      @Hallvard0 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@spejarn Afghanistan is a mountainous country....

    • @spejarn
      @spejarn Před 4 měsíci

      @@Hallvard0 Probably was confusing it with some other war riddled country, i knew the northern part was, didn't know the whole country was, but i'll take your word for it, mostly because i don't care anymore.

  • @pyroakakohleblock584
    @pyroakakohleblock584 Před rokem +4

    you should rather compare the cv90 to the puma ifv or the lynx ifv

  • @Stisse57
    @Stisse57 Před rokem

    Why choose? Why not have both but in different roles?

  • @tobybau575
    @tobybau575 Před rokem +3

    Marder is a quit old but over time permanent updated System. The Replacemen in German Army will be the new Puma.

  • @Silo-Ren
    @Silo-Ren Před rokem +1

    Man both of these puppies are amazing, really like that 40mm tho but wish they could combine both into one bad ass beast. 😉

  • @eagle-gx4qf
    @eagle-gx4qf Před rokem +2

    Why do you compare an old Marder and not the new Puma against the CV90? That makes a lot more sense. The Marder is over 50 years old. It makes no difference whether it has been updated.

  • @SPQR-qq5bz
    @SPQR-qq5bz Před rokem +3

    Marder is older than CV90 obviusly CV90 is better. I repair marder since 2009. Wold be interesting test cv90 in my land.

  • @Viper6-MotoVlogger
    @Viper6-MotoVlogger Před rokem +4

    I quite like the CV90

  • @mastershake9551
    @mastershake9551 Před rokem +3

    Marders 20mm has a rof of 1200 rounds. So it's like a 20 mm MG 42 😂.

  • @ADMG2003
    @ADMG2003 Před rokem

    Soundtracks name?

  • @gooldii1
    @gooldii1 Před rokem +2

    Cv90 is a complete different World

  • @randyraudi7725
    @randyraudi7725 Před 10 měsíci

    Well even with all the upgrades it received the Marder is still 20 years older. There is reason why its going to be phased out, 20mm isn't bad, but you would prefer a higher calibre nowadays.

  • @bernhardb4711
    @bernhardb4711 Před rokem +2

    Around 5.38, the Marder has better cross country capability? Really?! Germany doesn't have swamps and snow in the same way as northern Sweden...

    • @2canines
      @2canines Před rokem +2

      Norther Sweden got marsh land rather then swamp land.

    • @bernhardb4711
      @bernhardb4711 Před rokem +1

      @@2canines My bad Swenglish.

  • @gambanteinodal1246
    @gambanteinodal1246 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The CV90 is designed by Hägglunds before the current owners BAE Systems...

    • @Grid88
      @Grid88  Před 10 měsíci

      Thanks for the info.

  • @rosskious7084
    @rosskious7084 Před rokem

    Which CV9040 went?

    • @tomeng9520
      @tomeng9520 Před rokem

      it is in the garage ! didn't you hear it park there ?

  • @jozefhubacek4518
    @jozefhubacek4518 Před rokem

    Koľko by za to dali v zberných surovinách?

  • @danielberggren7747
    @danielberggren7747 Před 8 měsíci

    all depends on the weapon's package...

  • @martinhardegard6714
    @martinhardegard6714 Před rokem

    In my opinion as a i-solider, they have the same purpose.

  • @jozefhubacek4518
    @jozefhubacek4518 Před rokem

    Good Iron!

  • @moritz9077
    @moritz9077 Před rokem +1

    compare it to the Puma not Marder....

  • @donquixote1502
    @donquixote1502 Před 9 měsíci

    Both are very competent IFVs. CV90 is the winner.

    • @Grid88
      @Grid88  Před 9 měsíci

      CV90 is one hell of an IFV.

  • @cpawp
    @cpawp Před rokem +13

    Unfair comparison - better compare the CV90 with the Puma ...

    • @tomeng9520
      @tomeng9520 Před rokem

      Lets just put this out there. The CV90, especially the later models are far more dangerous than the Lynx, Puma, Bradley or K21 fighting vehicles. They are more modern, the cannon is much larger (40mm) the types of ammunition 3p programmable ammunition is deadly as hell. It can air-burst at set ranges, it would annihilate every single Russian in ANY trench with ease from kilometers away.
      The weight of this IFV is almost as much as the Russian MBT (main battle tanks). Close to 40 Ton.
      The CV9040 is a highly aggressive vehicle, designed to control the initiative by staying mobile instead of slowing things down to a walk. Aggressive maneuvering is what the CV9040 is designed to do, outmaneuving vehicles and killing them in the flank and charging enemy positions to drop off soldiers right ontop of the enemy.
      These tactics have been part of the Swedish doctrine since the late fifties as seen in vehicles like the PBV301 and PBV302. And it was directly copied from the German playbook of WW2, where the German panzergrenadiers/dismounts fought more often than not from their halftracks, allowing them to keep pace with the tanks and also maintain initiative through aggressive maneuvering.
      A Bradley, Puma, K21 and so on is not designed for that type of combat. It's essentially an APC that drops off troops 100m from the fight. The CV9040 drops off troops within 0-50m from the enemy position, or simply drives up to it and let's the troops fight mounted.
      In Afghanistan it was apparently tremendously deadly. The Danish or Norwegians were caught in some kind of fight/ambush and they annihilated the enemy.
      P.S
      1073 BHP in the high end version that is amphibic and extremely mobile in mudd and snow.
      D.S

  • @simsim-kv8jm
    @simsim-kv8jm Před rokem +3

    CV90 👍💪

  • @sabineworner5202
    @sabineworner5202 Před rokem +1

    Ukraine takes both without batting an eyelid.

  • @thekasperrr
    @thekasperrr Před 10 měsíci

    Consdering the Marder is only exported to third world countries. I think that speaks for which of the above is the best.

  • @user-gz6qu3bm2z
    @user-gz6qu3bm2z Před 2 měsíci +1

    CV90

  • @klausberfelde-je2ye
    @klausberfelde-je2ye Před 8 měsíci

    I really love the CV90. But. If you are comparing in therms of Ukraine, I´m fine. If you want to compare actual european IFVs, why don´t you take Lynx or German Puma. Lynx (K41) is ordered by Hungary.

  • @goalchamp1439
    @goalchamp1439 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Ask Ukrainian soldiers. Unlike most experts they use both systems as well as Bradleys in real heavy duty combat.

  • @FXGreggan.
    @FXGreggan. Před rokem +1

    I really hope the 3P ammo was shipped to Ukraine as well..

  • @simsim-kv8jm
    @simsim-kv8jm Před rokem +1

    CV-90 👍👍👍💪💪💪💪

  • @johnrogan8481
    @johnrogan8481 Před měsícem

    Im glad that Sweden 🇸🇪 is in nato good ally with the USA 🇺🇸 Sweden 🇸🇪 and the USA have good militaries and good friendship and partnership with each other countries i love ❤ Sweden 🇸🇪 so much Sweden is a beautiful country and great culture 😀 ❤

  • @georgedoolittle9015
    @georgedoolittle9015 Před měsícem

    With Putin Russia now having lost upwards of 20,000 IFVs how well Western equipment does function in an offensive interventionist role will be now put to the test June, 2024 absolutely. The best IFVs on said battle space still remain Ladas and Scooby-Doo Vans but in theory that could change in a big way as the need for very large numbers of equipment becomes realized. That would mean for now anyways wheeled not tracked vehicles as presented here as the highway system upon in Western Russia is very advanced, intensive, extensive and not much used outside of Moscow proper.

  • @pauligrisan4865
    @pauligrisan4865 Před rokem +4

    Important is that both will neutralize Orcs. 🤣🤣😂😂
    No chance for the RuZZians.

  • @SmedleyDouwright
    @SmedleyDouwright Před rokem +2

    I like the CV90 because it looks better and has a bigger gun.

    • @globalcitizen8321
      @globalcitizen8321 Před rokem

      Military equipment acquisition is not about looks, but about effectiveness, logistics and economy of scale.

    • @Jonsson474
      @Jonsson474 Před rokem +1

      Just like the swedes. Better looking and with bigger guns.

  • @jackarrows1436
    @jackarrows1436 Před rokem

    🫡

  • @sorennilsson9742
    @sorennilsson9742 Před rokem

    The lack of an antitank missile is a handicap for the CV 90. However the CV 90 will be the king of the night.

    • @dirreeN
      @dirreeN Před rokem +3

      The latest version of the CV90 got the ATGM AKERON missile 👍

    • @zoom5024
      @zoom5024 Před rokem +5

      @@dirreeN both AKERON and Spike-LR have been tested on the CV90.

    • @ugvadugvaw
      @ugvadugvaw Před rokem +2

      Soldiers in the back can carry Nlaw or Javelin.

    • @klaabu99
      @klaabu99 Před rokem +2

      @@ugvadugvaw nah ...soldiers in back will carry carl gustav ... :)

  • @philiptky5310
    @philiptky5310 Před 10 měsíci +1

    NATO NATO numba one! Send em all to Zelensky.

  • @Netzjargon
    @Netzjargon Před rokem +1

    Marder better

  • @johnrogan8481
    @johnrogan8481 Před měsícem

    Sweden has better equipment than Germany Sweden military is a powerhouse with many technology and some of the best weapons like the griphen e best fighters jets in Sweden 🇸🇪 military 🪖 🇸🇪🤝🇺🇸🇸🇪🇺🇸🇸🇪🇺🇸🇸🇪🇺🇸💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖