The Surprisingly Multilayered & Dynamic Pankration Stance (Ancient Greek Combat Sport Analysis)

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    Now that we’ve gone through much of the basics regarding the historicity of pankration, let’s start learning the basics: And what more fundamental than the martial art’s stance?
    In this video, I’ll go through the various postures found in ancient Hellenic pottery and reliefs, and how they relate to modern -- or traditional-eastern -- combat sports.
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Komentáře • 78

  • @DevinDTV
    @DevinDTV Před 2 lety +144

    I was convinced by John Danaher's argument that pankration was more advanced than modern MMA/martial arts. It was the most popular olympic sport, with some of the best athletes and smartest people developing it over hundreds of years. With such a long period of taking a sport seriously, it's hard to imagine how they would not have gone beyond the level we have today.

    • @justdoinmything
      @justdoinmything Před rokem +7

      Not to mention the hand-to-hand combat and physicality of ancient warfare

    • @josemarialaguinge
      @josemarialaguinge Před 5 měsíci +3

      The lack of ground and pound changes a lot tho.

    • @almalayuwiyyah2512
      @almalayuwiyyah2512 Před 3 měsíci +4

      back then there is no video tape. no transport to go and learn from somone. no good facility. 10 years of evolution of modern mma shits on thousand of years of martial art in the past

    • @mr.purple250
      @mr.purple250 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@almalayuwiyyah2512don’t underestimate the Greeks. They had facilities to train Olympians

    • @Reflectionmaterial
      @Reflectionmaterial Před 15 dny

      @@almalayuwiyyah2512 most science and philosophy was developed by them.
      MMA is at best a reinvention. Perhaps after a few generations it will become what it used to be and eventually better.

  • @thecreator6480
    @thecreator6480 Před 2 lety +60

    I would love to see pankration revival, a new martial art, a new way of teaching, a new way of fighting, making it great for mind, body and soul

    • @martiallife4136
      @martiallife4136 Před 2 lety +2

      There are pankration events in Greece already. Like for the past 20 years.

    • @unwaveringdiscipline5489
      @unwaveringdiscipline5489 Před 2 lety +1

      @@martiallife4136 Θα προτείνατε κάποια σχολή Παγκρατίου στην Ελλάδα για σκληρές προπονήσεις και πρακτικό sparing?

    • @chancethewrapper3557
      @chancethewrapper3557 Před 2 lety

      @@unwaveringdiscipline5489 yes 👍🏿 i'd go for it

    • @donquixote3292
      @donquixote3292 Před rokem +1

      @Andrew Yup and its constantly evolving. We will eventually uncover much of what Pankration would’ve achieved

    • @neatpicky3925
      @neatpicky3925 Před rokem +1

      @@martiallife4136 Yeah but most of them are just MMA with a weird uniform

  • @justinvillar7008
    @justinvillar7008 Před rokem +5

    I notice our Filipino Martial Arts when we translate all weapon based methods to empty hand, our empty hand have similarity to Pankration as well that makes me conclude pankration is also weapon based where the hand strikes are based on sword's strikes..

  • @the.wandering.warrior
    @the.wandering.warrior Před 4 měsíci +2

    Lots of Muay thai (or mainland SE Asian boxing) and Chinese & Okinawan boxing frames and postures here, and that is heart warming in a way. Whether in the ancient Hellenic world, or in late medieval and early modern China, Okinawa, and SE Asian kingdoms, as long as there's a martial culture of empty handed folk fighting taken to a high level with a wide variety of acceptable moves and skills, we will see similar renditions of optimal human combat evolve and develop over and over. As someone who does spar, does fight, does train, and comes from a foundation of traditional Chinese boxing, it's a nice thought.

  • @finnoXkhmer
    @finnoXkhmer Před 2 lety +32

    So a lot of similarities with Muay Thai, in other words Kun Bokator, which is the parent of Muay Thai. When visiting a Chenla temple in Kampoung Thom, Cambodia, there was a bas relief of Herakles and they have found some greek money from the area. Maybe there is some connection with the Ancient Khmer and Ancient Greek, more than just trade of goods.

    • @AMOPankration
      @AMOPankration  Před 2 lety +14

      Say, you wouldn't happen to have a link to that bas relief, would you?

  • @DomagojStivic
    @DomagojStivic Před 2 lety +20

    the is no way that you dont have more patreons, people need to start giving you money man.
    because you honestly deserve it.
    Im gonna make patreon just because of you.

  • @DK_ROUSI
    @DK_ROUSI Před rokem +3

    Wow! Thank you for this,this channel is soo underrated,I knew about pankration but I never went in depth in to it till now!

  • @ArthurKannibal
    @ArthurKannibal Před rokem +2

    When watching videos on Pankration, I constantly visualize generations of people evolving their techniques to be more fluid by borrowing from different forms and styles rather than tightening their regime to an optimal set of abilities. Today's MMA seems to put more emphasis on what will the end the match the fastest because you don't wanna gas out. Watching old school Pancrase (the legendary Japanese promotion), the matches were more drawn out and you had to really understand the sport to enjoy the technical moments rather than hope the whopping moments happen.

  • @tigerking6506
    @tigerking6506 Před 2 lety +7

    incredible channel! I studied ancient greek language for many years and love the ancient greek culture but you provide so much information I did not know so far! Thank you!

    • @tigerking6506
      @tigerking6506 Před 2 lety

      @dayRman Χαῖρε
      Transcript: chaire, pl. chairete
      Pronounced: hi (like hi… duh) - reh (pl. + -teh)

  • @ajourneysaved4311
    @ajourneysaved4311 Před 2 lety +4

    I really appreciate you and the research you did for this topic. I see a lot of roots in Easter martial arts.

  • @comicsandcombat11
    @comicsandcombat11 Před 2 lety +3

    One of my favorite channels.

  • @steelmacecontinuum8696
    @steelmacecontinuum8696 Před 2 lety +5

    Very interesting, thank you!

  • @escapetheratrace4798
    @escapetheratrace4798 Před rokem +1

    This channel is a gem

  • @trunksyes6381
    @trunksyes6381 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for making a video's about pankration appreciate it.

  • @jonsnow940
    @jonsnow940 Před 2 lety +1

    i was a pankration athlete for 13 years and is such an honor to listen about it

    • @unwaveringdiscipline5489
      @unwaveringdiscipline5489 Před 2 lety +2

      Hello sir!
      Are you Greece based? If so, would you recommend a particular school for hard training and realistic sparing? I m bound in an island due to seasonal work but I d love to train pankration in the off season. Any directions would be appreciated!

  • @divinedragonluka
    @divinedragonluka Před 2 lety +5

    It would be great if you could make a discord server about this channel, i think it can increase the popularity of the channel.

  • @someguy5025
    @someguy5025 Před 2 lety

    Very interesting!

  • @oldschoolmuzzey
    @oldschoolmuzzey Před rokem

    I trained in pankration for a short time🙏🏽 it’s a wonderful style, I subbed , I learned a little of this style at( Shoreline MMA ) pankration , bjj and kickboxing

  • @Fatality0999
    @Fatality0999 Před 8 měsíci

    Incredible. I've been interested in pankration for a while now. I suppose the closest in training MMA

  • @kratoscraken5614
    @kratoscraken5614 Před 2 lety +1

    That is a beautiful statue in the beginning I want that 👌💪👌

  • @justsomeguywithaboomerang1891

    Awesome

  • @demetric4476
    @demetric4476 Před 2 lety +1

    ARETE Thank you

  • @justinlagios3899
    @justinlagios3899 Před 2 lety +7

    Are there still teachers of Pankration ? Love the content

    • @user-mi7pt4he2f
      @user-mi7pt4he2f Před 2 lety +1

      Yes there are classes.

    • @viciouslady1340
      @viciouslady1340 Před 2 lety

      Yes our boys went to a school in Vancouver but it is now sharing space with another school .
      Sad to see so it losing popularity in Athens i was struggling to find a schoool for my nephew

  • @beakfordclakington1337

    kalimera
    but how can you proove that? whats the geneses to those assertions.. of the stance etc??? ceramico?
    or did i miss that video, honeest question anyway, God speed

  • @beakfordclakington1337

    where did the emphasis kicks? kriti? or kypros? Gs

  • @B..B.
    @B..B. Před rokem

    The ancient "MMA"of the west.
    Pankration looks amazing.

  • @THEGAME-ko3mg
    @THEGAME-ko3mg Před 2 lety +4

    Damn I just found out about this channel and it just uploaded a video

    • @Estalarki
      @Estalarki Před 2 lety +1

      Me too

    • @orizonproject2078
      @orizonproject2078 Před 2 lety +2

      Then try to support the channel ,to continue make videos

    • @THEGAME-ko3mg
      @THEGAME-ko3mg Před 2 lety +4

      @@orizonproject2078 I shall ,seems interesting af .
      I always thought of pankration as smth lost in the past but now I find this channel and also found out that Many places in Greece actually teach pankration

  • @davidhoffman6980
    @davidhoffman6980 Před 2 lety

    It looks like some kind of sweep kick knockdown.

  • @savage7882
    @savage7882 Před 5 měsíci

    Why would you say that models wouldn't pose for the painting of an αμφορα; I'd assume a lot of these would be referenced like other art pieces from ancient times like sculptures

  • @thadpoehl858
    @thadpoehl858 Před 6 měsíci

    Well done. One thing that came to this old boxer's, wrestler's, krateka's mind was that maybe stances were driven more by the consequences of the battle to protect the fighter while seeking his advantage? After all, you could die. You could lose consciousness. You could suffer permanent disability. I would posit that the variety of stances put forth are as much a consequence of the fighters' need for defense while launching a successful attack. Just thinking out loud...

  • @davidhoffman6980
    @davidhoffman6980 Před 2 lety +1

    @4:30 is the rear fighter doing a suplex? That'd be pretty cool.

    • @unwaveringdiscipline5489
      @unwaveringdiscipline5489 Před 2 lety

      It looks more like he arm draged, took back and is looking for a trip from where the lead leg is positioned haha. Suplex would be especially hard since they took no gi a step too far by applying oil to their naked bodies before fights 🤣😂🤣😂

    • @davidhoffman6980
      @davidhoffman6980 Před 2 lety

      @@unwaveringdiscipline5489 good point. I once rolled with my self defense teacher who had a black belt in BJJ and it took him several tries to submit me cause I rode my bike and I was covered in sweat and sunblock. He grabbed my arm and went for the arm bar but I just slipped right out. He won of course after a minute but I got a chuckle out of it.

  • @paleowhite8027
    @paleowhite8027 Před rokem

    Probably everywhere around the world and at all times in history there has been people wrestling, boxing and kicking at each other and since all societies have some smart people, those smart people would quickly start thinking of better, more technical ways to do these things. The Japanese and Chinese were not the only people to have "moves" for fighting. I'm sure every European, Asian, African, and tribes of the Americas had moves also. For those of you who don't know, the Romans had a whole large area in Rome called the Field of Mars for practicing war arts, hence Martial arts. They called their war god Mars. They looked up and saw the red planet and thought that must be the planet of Mars since it is red like blood. As far as we know now, there has never been a large-scale, long-term trial of unarmed skills like the ancient Greek pankration, and there has never been armed skills trials like the Roman gladiator system. The Romans didn't only have gladiator contests in the Colosseum. They had probably over a hundred arenas of various sizes around the empire.

  • @pcprinciple3774
    @pcprinciple3774 Před 2 lety +8

    This why i don't buy the story that the Japanese 'invented' anything new in ju-jitsu. They talk like nobody knew a choke before 1830. I think the techniques probably got somewhat lost as standing armies became the norm and civilians had less need to train fighting. But people were heel hooking each other

    • @yeowchetlim5814
      @yeowchetlim5814 Před rokem

      Totally agree....Pankration was the father of all sports...Wrestling , submissions , and strikes..even weapons...

    • @eagle162
      @eagle162 Před rokem +1

      Nobody's saying Jujutsu invented everything but some new things were developed.

    • @eagle162
      @eagle162 Před rokem +1

      @@yeowchetlim5814 Just No.

  • @beakfordclakington1337

    where did those ceramics come from> how old? God speed

  • @elshebactm6769
    @elshebactm6769 Před 2 lety

    🤠👍🏿

  • @davidhoffman6980
    @davidhoffman6980 Před 2 lety +1

    @4:46 are the angels and gods watching for entertainment or are they watching over the fighters to protect them?

  • @ajithsidhu7183
    @ajithsidhu7183 Před 2 lety

    Please do on what is defined by a herculean and thesius body type

    • @AMOPankration
      @AMOPankration  Před 2 lety +5

      The answer to this is in the video "Who Invented Martial Arts in ancient Greece". Hercules is more of the grappler type (large, muscular, focus on strength) while Theseus is more of a striker (fit, agile, focus on speed).

    • @ajithsidhu7183
      @ajithsidhu7183 Před 2 lety

      @@AMOPankration what about body measurements

    • @ajithsidhu7183
      @ajithsidhu7183 Před 2 lety

      @@AMOPankration for a 5 '10 person

    • @ajithsidhu7183
      @ajithsidhu7183 Před 2 lety

      @@AMOPankration or Vulcan like body

    • @orizonproject2078
      @orizonproject2078 Před 2 lety

      If you haven't understand it maybe this is the last video

  • @snakeeater0224
    @snakeeater0224 Před 2 lety +1

    Martial art is universal..i am not surprised.
    “Ahead of our time”…that is your assessment, also if that is the case. Then other Martial arts around the world was ahead of their time too.

    • @nabilmjalli6393
      @nabilmjalli6393 Před rokem +1

      Like what for example, you can clearly see in the video itself that those techniques and skills the greeks used in pankration which would be later transmitted to the east and influence their arts, are a foundation to modern MMA

  • @maunerlacayo4944
    @maunerlacayo4944 Před 2 lety

    How fast ancient greek athletes ran?

    • @OrangeIntercourse
      @OrangeIntercourse Před rokem

      It’s been over 9 months since your comment. Have you found out?

  • @micahasher7600
    @micahasher7600 Před 2 lety +2

    That’s no oblique kick

  • @lupusHegemonia
    @lupusHegemonia Před rokem

    If you make a good search in ancient origins, the ancient "Pankration" is like a TOTALY FREE STYLE FULL CONTACT FIGHT... without rules!!! My ancient ancestors which they were athlets of "Pankration", they were... boxing... karate-kicking... wrestling... taking off eyes (!!!)... chocking to death (!!!)... breaking fingers... everything was on!!!
    Each different athlet had DIFFERENT style, DIFFERENT purpose of his fight.
    There were NO rules in ancient "Pankration"! There was NO timer, NO rounds - the winner was announced ONLY the one was still standing! That's whey ancient "Pankration" was the MOST ROUTHLESS & BRUTAL game in ancient Olympics, much much more brutal than ancient Boxing!

    • @yeowchetlim5814
      @yeowchetlim5814 Před rokem

      Spartan art...definitely needs to be brutal...if not they won't be the best at that era...

    • @AMOPankration
      @AMOPankration  Před rokem +1

      This is false, I'm afraid. I suggest watching the "Top 5 Pankration Myths" video.