Arcade vs Console 5
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- čas přidán 16. 02. 2024
- Episode 397 - It's always fun to see what's changed when a game got ported from its original arcade version to various home consoles. So let's take a look at some of those differences on various games!
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What are some arcade ports you'd like to see covered?
Three I can think of would definitely be Ghosts 'n Goblins, Ikari Warriors, and Commando. Mostly because oddly enough the Atari ST and Amiga ports of those three are some of the best ports to those two computers (due to Elite being the developers). I'd go as far as to say the ports of Commando to Amiga/ST and GnG to Amiga were literally THE best before the PS1 and Saturn "Capcom Generation" series came out.
AVP was a phenomenal arcade game. The snes game though.....
I would love to see you cover Sonic the Fighters. Considering the fact that there’s the original Arcade, the Sonic Gems Collection port on Gamecube, the HD port on Xbox 360/PS3, and then the port in Lost Judgment and Like a Dragon Gaiden.
There are some interesting differences between all the versions and even extra features strung throughout.
It’s definitely my most desired game to see covered by you.
Great Episode Joe! I especially liked the Rampage portion because I remember playing that on a lot with my sister back on the ol NES. I would love to see you cover the ports of STUNN RUNNER simply because as Unbelievable as it sounds, the LYNX version is the ONLY ONE that got it right!
Believe it or not there is some great amiga arcade ports
Ghouls n ghosts
Roland
Shadow dancer
Iqari warriors
Pang
Super hang on
Just to name a few, if you have the time check them out maybe you could do good arcade ports to the amiga video 😮
This new "Take On Joe" Intro is awesome 👍
"Joe me on"
I find it unsettling. It'd be better if he had to fight guys with pipes. Bit of trivia for you, Take on Me is a translation of the norwegian "tar på meg" (take on me when translated directly) but actually means "touch me" in Norwegian. A later hit by AH-HA as I'm sure you already know. Since moving here, I've been petitioning the government to change Take On Me to be their national anthem but I've heard nothing back sofar!
Funny thing about it, although I'm sure it's a coincidence in timing purely, was he changed that intro right after I was asking about that SNES ASCII pad and where it came from
@@vidsofyermom "Joe on me".
He'll be gone, in a day or two.
Gamesack covering a Atari 2600 version of a game. In 10 years I've been watching this channel I believe this might be the first time.
I keep waiting for that 2600 episode…
I enjoyed the Alien Storm segment. I have a ton of nostalgia for the early pre-SNES Genesis years. The system didnt entirely have an identity beyond arcade ports and EA PC ports, but you could tell everyone involved was figuring out the system at the same time.
The best games came after Sonic, of course, but those early years were a lot of fun.
"Rampage" for the Lynx uses the system's link cable to play with up to 4 players simultaneously. Having actually done this a few times, it may just be my favorite way to play the game. Having the ability to "hide" from other players by trying to avoid their screen adds some strategy to the play.
Incidentally, it started as a different game but was licensed and converted into a "Rampage" port.
Thanks for posting!
You found four people in one location who all had an Atari Lynx????
@@RappingNinja I got one, and a short while later they went down in price, so some of my friends got them too.
I never got to play "Gauntlet 3," but the multiplayer in "Rampage," "Xenophobe," and "Xybots" was terrific! "Xybots" was like playing a multiplayer 3rd person cooperative shooter, in 1992 -- and portable!
8-Player Slime World was incredible. It was always a race to get the Mega Bomb, drop it in the cavern, and high tail it out of there before it vaporized everyone else…
@@RappingNinja maybe he is from the netherlands. The atari lynx sold well here. I knew several people in my town who had one.
@@drunkensailor112 Nope! Smack dab in the middle of nowhere, U.S.A.
We still had an Electronics Boutique relatively close, though.
Honestly, I think that when I got the port of "S.T.U.N. Runner" almost everyone with a GameBoy or Game Gear got envious, as that game looked absolutely incredible on the Lynx at the time.
You were joking, but Amiga developers were often only handed some screenshots (I.e. photos) and a vague description of the gameplay as a starting point, as those were rather low budget and low priority ports.
It was plagued by crap ports.
@@kuro68000 That gives me an idea! An Amiga edition of Piss-Poor Ports!
Very true. Amiga getting a bad rep here because of that. Has Joe done computer-to-console ports before? I'm thinking "Monkey Island", "Populous", "Lemmings", "SimCity", "Syndicate", and so on.
@@nearvanamanamiga is shitiest computer ever
That end sketch confirms it Joe loves Greendog so much it's in his DNA.
Not more than Truxton!
At the very least, his love of riffing on it.
Greendog is a certified classic. Needs a modern port and Remake
I give this channel props. They have NEVER asked for subscription or likes. Been watching them for years, and this has always been the standard. Keep on making great videos Joe. Let the 300k people that really think you deserve their attention be your badge of honor.
Neither does Classic Game Room or Sega Lord X
This exactly. I'm so sick of hearing "Smash that like button and don't forget to subscribe and click the bell icon to turn on notifications blah blah blah." It's an insult to my intelligence, and it's woefully tacky. Just one more to add to the list of why Joe is an elite-level content creator.
@@Write-Stuff yeah that's the younger CZcamsrs doing that mostly
There was a flaw with the Sega SG-3000 FM sound that meant if you played PSG sound at the same time it distorted. The Master System fixed it, but a lot of games wanted SG-3000 compatibility.
Hey Joe,glad that you're featuring some Amiga stuff. As I'm sure you know,most arcade ports to this system are absolute balls but it's a very capable 16 bit computer with some amazing original games.
I’d never seen the Amiga version - or the Atari ST version either, come to think of it - and I’m surprised the SMS version has better graphics for the characters themselves. They should’ve used that Parallel Port Adapter that added 2 more joystick ports that were used by Leatherneck and Gauntlet 2 on the ST and Amiga to support more players with joysticks…
I like when i go to youtube to watch something for breakfast (it's morning in my time zone) and there is fresh new GameSack episode to play.
Same here!
Joe just got a new Amiga.
Well, new for him, that is.
Just to be that guy, Rampage on the Lynx supports 4 players via comlynx cable and 4 Lynx's. It's pretty good multiplayer, though hard to keep track of other players.
Naw, I wanted to be that guy but then you just went ahead and were that guy before me :(
I absolutely LOVE Time Soldiers. I realize it's 99% nostalgia, but I love rotary knob games and it has, I guess... a vibe that I love. ALSO THAT SCREAM (as you noted)
What do they say when they get back up? "You got it?"
@@jessragan6714 I think it's "KEEP GOING!"
I would have never remembered the name if not for this video. I thought it was made by Sega and I remembered Time something so I tried googling and kept coming up with Time Gal on Sega CD and Time Traveller that holographic arcade game also by Sega
Love the animated intro Joe.
Would love to have Dave to run in once. Or an update on him. Miss that guy.
They sometimes get together like old times. Most notably they remade their first episode together, about the Sega Menacer v.s the S. N. E. S. Super Scope, for their 12th anniversary.
It’s worth doing.
I'm surprised to say this but I genuinely don't miss him... Not hating at all, I'm just really happy with the way Game Sack has evolved, post-Dave.
@@Jesse__H Me neither, as I never watched Game Sack during the Dave years.
The Rampage segmemt made me wanna see a miniature Joe dressed in a monkey suit, climbing a comically sized cabinet of games, punching out all the ones he despises. 😂
Nothing like my morning coffee with a new episode of Game Sack before Church.Thanks Joe!
Damn, that Lynx port of Rampage just crushes the others visually. Holy shit.
The Lynx had a lot of quality ports or arcade transitions. I think they were overlooked at the time of launch because the games were perceived as being old.
The Lynx launched in 1989. How exactly is Rampage or any Atari Games Corp licensed arcade game for it considered “old” at that time? Klax? Stun Runner? Tournament Cyberball? Roadblasters? Xybots? Hydra? Pit Fighter? APB? Hard Drivin’? Those were all instant classics and they were being released for the Lynx as quickly as they made it out to the Sega Genesis.
What a cool episode comparing the arcade ports. I never played the original Rampage, just Rampage World Tour on N64/PS1. Love the Mega Man 2/Greendog skit at the end.
This episode is for me. Arcade gaming is in my blood. My first NES games were Rad Racer and Mike Tyson Punch-Out! I wanted all the arcade ports. Double Dragon, Golden Axe, Heavy Barrel, Final Fight, Mortal Kombat-I hated using all my quarters. After they would announce an arcade port on my console, I’d get so excited! Next gen has always fascinated me.
24:31 In Master System’s Vigilante, you can attack while jumping by pressing up (punch) or down (kick) right after leaving the ground. It’s harder, but it’s doable.
I actually got a copy of that Rampage for the 2600. It’s definitely an attempt to dumb down graphics and game to it’s most basic form well still resembling the original. It’s actually pretty cool on a technical level
It’s too bad Activision didn’t use their cart-based DPC sound chip that was used in 2600 Pitfall 2 on any other later 2600 - or 7800 - game they made. In retrospect, that was pretty odd of them…
Just the thing I needed to relax after a 9 1/2 hour shift, Can now just watch and have fun, so good. Probably the only retro gaming show i watch anymore is game sack. Love learning about these and i have been getting back into my old sega genesis days. Streets of rage 2 as skate on 4k is awesome to play!
That intro is amazing. Who made that?
I did! :)
Looks like rotoscoping. Did you trace over real life footage?@@GameSack
@@GameSack wow, great job!
is it me? or is it that a new GameSack video pops up just when i need one?
If "every time you need it" is Saturday night, I guess so!
I loved the fun facts above the master system fm sounds in some of these games being unheard back in the day.
its so weird seeing things in the game world jitter as the screen scrolls.
In the tradition of eating things while watching GameSack, I wolfed down a can of black beans with copius amounts Tabasco. Don't judge me yo. It's the middle of the night and I don't wanna cook.
That's vile.
I just toss a couple cans of spicy chicken noodle on the stove for like 5 minutes and chow down lol
Hey, thanks for showing me your Sack 👍
SMS Rampage brings back great memories.
Loved the ending: I'm a blowing nes catridge believer and you can't change my mind.
Everybody knows that's how you know do it. Even Google knows. They made a video years ago called "Google Maps 8-Bit for NES" where they tell you to do it.
They just don't want you to know you can convert any game into the cult classic Greendog by doing it passionately enough.
Man, I knew how to pick losers: Amstrad CPC464; Game Gear; Amiga 1200. The Amstrad was particularly notorious for botching arcade ports.
Joe has not thought of Madonna in decades. He googled her for this video and cried in horror when he saw her new face.
Joe is always happy when playing Greendog
To answer your question at 8:30 the japanese title is ブレイゾン which would suggest it's supposed to be pronounced "Blazon" or possibly "blaze on" rather than "bla zeon"
Although they also had a 2 player version of the Alien Storm cabinet, it was a 3-player game in the arcade.
Amazing stuff, Joe does it yet again. A king amongst men. Thanks, Joe, for keeping this channel going as it is much appreciated.
Joe! Thanks for giving us so much Sack over the years! I always look forward to getting a faceful from you every 2 weeks! From another Denver Native, have a great one man!
Thanks Joe! This was fantastic as always! I was obsessed with the ATARI game ROADBLASTERS. A fun mix of racing and vehicular combat. It was ported to the LYNX, GENESIS and I think a few other systems. Might be worth including in a follow up to this video!
+1 for Roadblasters. Second only to S.T.U.N. Runner for my favorite faux 3D driving arcade port on the Lynx
TIME SOLDIER was so great in the time in arcade, that time travel thing, all the weapons & the 12 directions rotation stick !
EPIC'87 Game !!!
Fantastic episode. I love Master System, so it was great to see it feature in every segment.
Rampage on the MS is one of the best titles on the system.
| _Rampage on the MS is one of the best_
| _titles on the system_
Nope, there are better games like Road Rash
@@dustytux I actually mentioned Road Rash in my original comment, but deleted it before posting.
RR is an incredible port that retains the experience of the MD version.
Castle of illusion easily the best
@@petesmart1983 There's a lot of fantastic titles, which is why it's one of my favourite systems.
Populous, Rescue Mission, Sonic Chaos, and R-Type are some of my other favourites.
I think Rampage gets the most overall playtime now that I can use save states and just jump in for a couple of minutes at a time.
I want to try Activision’s Ghost Busters on the SMS. I’ve played it on the 2600 and the Atari 8-Bits but never on the SMS.
The amiga always struggled with arcade ports. It took good programmers to get the best out of it and they were usually working on original games
Girl: "OH? big"
Ice cream cohen: "I'm a BIG"
Wow you actually covered an atari 2600 version of a game. Cool.
And 7800! And Lynx!
@@GregsGameRoom im pretty sure joes done stuff for those systems before but I could be wrong.
He doesn’t seem to cover stuff from the 2nd gen of consoles so its refreshing to see it here
300K subs. Awesome! Congrats!
Amazing video and amazing before and after pics of Madonna. Well done, Joe!
Great list of ports. Thanks for sharing.
Ah, Amiga versions, my childhood. Usually ported very cheaply by three guys, with the music done by a friend who did electronic music as a hobby hence not caring about being authentic, he just wanted to put his own tunes out there, it's why you get things like the RoboCop music many of you know from the GB port of the 1988 Arcade. This also explains why a lot of games would be music *or* sound effects, as the composer was used to having all four channel to themselves. Better games would either use three and leave one for sound, or put higher pitched instruments on a shared channel as it's less obvious when they get supressed by SFX.
Without sprite limits to contend with you could usually sling everything on screen (and look good in screenshots), but at the cost of performance. Crushing the viewport was common so you could save some power and didn't have to rescale the game for PAL and NTSC, but the games were often developed in PAL-land leaving the speed feeling a bit too fast and jerky in NTSC like Rampage here.
Generally it could do okay on on 80s arcades if the budget was there (the port of Golden Axe is perfectly servicable), but these were games made to a price point of £15 and often lower, so you were unlikely to get parity with the consoles.
In the case of RoboCop, Jonathan Dunn was one of Ocean's in-house musicians, so that's not quite the case here. The title track is in both the GB and C64 versions of the game. The reason it's linked to the GB version is that's what the Ariston exec who came up with the idea of using it in an ad heard. The C64 version is better as the SID is a more capable synthesiser (and Dunn made great use of it) than the GB's PSG, but they're both great!
@@talideon Blast, knew I'd got that story muddled with another game. Also I now have that Ariston ad stuck in my head 😆
I love your topics on retro video games.❤
Great video man, as always. I love the funny bit at the end of each video. How 'bout a Mortal Kombat video with all of the ports to different consoles.
It's been years, and I still enjoy this show, Joe.
Two things, 1.) That skit was short but I laughed pretty hard. 2.) I am so going to mod my NES to make that noise when it can’t read a cart.
The boss voice in Vigilante sounds like Popeye 😂
Another awesome video! Perfect way to sped m Sunday Afternoon!
Nice new video early in the a.m. what a treat!!
Great work man!
5:43 That moment made me chuckle. "that tank is so annoying" Boom.
Joe's consistently delivering excellent quality videos on them retro games.
I love Time Soldiers. It was the first arcade cabinet I bought when I started getting a few as an adult years ago. I still play it regularly. There's a lot of nuance to the power-up system, especially in how the P icon gives you rapid fire. It not pnly does that, but also uses your power up meter as a life bar, which you can refill by grabbing another P or any weapon. The tricky part is that you can stack each of the 3 weapons up to 3 times to dramatically increase their power, which makes boss fight dramatically easier. However, getting hit in Power Up mode lowers your weapon meter imstead of losing a life. So, grabbing a new weapon can save your life, but could make you weaker if it isn't the same weapon you were using. It's a great risk-reward mechanic that can affect your routing quite a bit.
It also has a random element, where the first stage is randomly chosen from the first 3, and when you clear them all, stages 4 and 5 are then shuffled as well. This makes managing your power ups amd learning what weapons appear frequently in each stage very rewarding, allowing you to stay powered up for pretty much the whole game if you're savvy enough with it. Also, in the Powered-up mode, your weapon bar gradually depletes not as you shoot, but as you move. This rewards you for mastering the rotary controls amd moving efficiently, which is cool. That final stage is nasty no matter how you slice it.
There are versions on PSP and the SNK 40th Anniversary collection for Switch, PS4, Xbox One, and Steam as well. These are easy to write off as emulation, but in absence of rotary sticks, it's notable that they handle the controls differently. On PSP, you use the shoulder buttons to cycle through the 12 rotary positions one by one. It can feel very slow and clunky. SNK 40th treats it more like a twin stick shooter with some tweaks. Neither work as well as the rotary stick. There is a new rotary stick controller that only works on PC, although it has its issues, it's as close as there is available in absence of the real deal. The emulators on PSP and SNK 40th are not the same either, and actually screw up the randomization of the levels.
Sick intro. Also, a Rampage arcade cabinet was at this store my mom frequented when i was really young. I remember it being quite the event when i would get a quarter for it.
Every little while I'm reminded of Alien Storm, which I saw footage of once on Larry Bundy Jr.'s channel and am always trying to figure out what game it is, only to learn and forget again a few months later XD
I've heard that there were Master System adapters available in Japan back in the day, so it's possible that a limited number of people heard the non-Japan released FM soundtracks back then. I'd imagine info on US games would have been published in some video game magazines over there as well.
Grew up in a tiny place on a mountain in Serbia. A guy opened a little arcade, and had a few (absolutely counterfeit) cabinets: Airwolf, some helicopter game I never managed to find online, Rolling Thunder, Strikers 1942 and the greatest arcade multiplayer game ever - Time Soldiers 😂 The first game I beat on one token! Defined my damn childhood haha
Hahaha that end sketch! 😅 Equal parts silly and brilliant, love it. Oh and the episode was great as well.
Great Episode!
The reason you don’t usually hear both the PSG & FM together is due to a technical issue with the original Japanese FM add-on. The register to enable both simultaneously wasn’t implemented correctly until the later JP Master System, meaning that all retail games set the soundtrack to FM only for compatibility. The only game which sets the register to use both is the fanmade hack of Sonic 1 on the SMS by Valley Bell.
I wanted more of this.
Please make a huge video.
First to have this play whilst sleeping.
I'd like to see a video of all the Genesis arcade ports. You're awesome Joe
Shock troopers on Neo Geo perfected the overhead run and gun formula started on Ikari Warriors and Time Soldiers. Just holding down fire locks you in the direction you’re shooting.😊
its Saturday night and time for a new GameSack!!
God dayum dude. The production quality still amazes me. IDK what to say after watching you for over 10 years except great fucking job as always.
Another interesting ep of Games Sack coming up :)
Every other Sunday morning cardio I got this to listen to.🤟🏻💯
Congrats on 300k subscribers!
Ending man, it's tradition at this point.
I would love to see you cover Sonic the Fighters. Considering the fact that there’s the original Arcade, the Sonic Gems Collection port on Gamecube, the HD port on Xbox 360/PS3, and then the port in Lost Judgment and Like a Dragon Gaiden.
There are some interesting differences between all the versions and even extra features strung throughout.
It’s definitely my most desired game to see covered by you.
idea for an episode; x-men or comic book themed video games
That is an X-cellent idea. There are so many to explore. Lots of platformers, and beatemups
I'm not a X-men fan nor conosseiur (I mean, just the average knowledge) but I think that's a nice idea.
"All X-men games ever made for consoles"
Great stuff! 😀
The ultimate game - a game that plays itself! What it's all about? Beating the game! Awesome show, Joe!
Rampage World Tour was my jam at the ice rink arcade.
I don't know if you covered Bad Dudes on previous episodes but it's one of the rare times where it has the closest arcade to home port, and the arcade music rocks as well. Toki is also another excellent arcade conversion on the Amiga.
Alien Storm for the Genesis was my guilty pleasure back in the days. It was just like Golden Axe but sci-fi (my setting of choice, as opposed to fantasy). It was really fun to play with my best friend. The 3D shooting gallery stages were quite impressive, with the parallax, all the destruction and some convincingly animated scaling effects. By the time I bought it, it was priced down to $30, so I definitely felt like I got my money's worth with it.
I remember always wanting Vigilante from seeing the screenshot on the back of the Turbografx 16 console box.
Its delightful to have these pop up duing a biut with insomnia
Doesnt help it at all, but i think thats a compliment xD
Always a banger, joe! You really are more Redif than anyone else. If not the Redifest, then certainly Redifer than the rest
Few things make me happier on a Sunday morning than some Sack in my face.
The Sega Mark III FM Sound Unit can't mix both the PSG and FM audio at the same time, that's why almost every FM game avoided PSG audio.
Most mods and the actual Japanese Master System do mix it, but alas, the precedent was set.
That Blazeon game's mech design seem to be heavily inspired if not blatantly lifted from Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack. I can see Sazabi, Jagd Doga, Alpha Azieru and straight up Nu Gundam with swapped color complete with its fin funnel floating around.
The turbo feature on the turbo grafx controllers made Vigilante so much better!
Yay another episode!
30:38 Joe’s mucus can upgrade games to the next gene. He needs to start blowing his nose on all my PS5 games.
I love these arcade to console episodes.
I love it how Joe's doing retro games videos predominantly, because he can't grasp analog stick controls :D!
The older the game the easier it is to explain it.
@@GregsGameRoom watching him play Doom 2016 & Eternal a few months back was beyond hilarious! He was just strafing without even using the right stick at all 🤣.
We’re so lucky to have these ever two weeks
Now that I've watched the episode, I can properly comment on 😅
Whenever I see those old arcade ports and what people have been doing today with original games in the retrogaming community, I keep wondering:
If development time and memory cost weren't an issue, how many of those games could've been "arcade perfect" or nearly so.
I mean, for example, when you see people working on ports of Final Fight or Sunset Riders for the Genesis, there was clearly more potential there.
Oh yeah, definitely! These all could have been much better if they weren't constrained by money and time.
Superb ! funny an makes the point !
Congrats on 300k subs JOE
I played so much Rampage on the C64 before I even knew it was an arcade!
Hey hey it’s mr sack!!
Ryan