SOLID LIFTER BATTLE !! - 70 Z28 vs 70 L78 Camaro SS396 - Big Block v Small Block Drag Race -RoadTest
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- WHO WINS? - 1970 Camaro Z28 vs 1970 Camaro SS 396 L78 ??
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Two 1970 Camaro's go head to head in a quarter mile drag race. One is a small block, the other a big block, so who wins?
Both cars are competing in the Pure Stock Drags, so modifications are limited to minor porting, blue printing and minor weight reduction without altering the stock appearance. That means stock intake manifold, stock exhaust manifolds and street tires.
The 1970 Z28 is powered by Chevy's infamous solid lifter, high winding small block 350 cubic inch (5.7 L) LT1 which was rated at 360 horsepower and 392 lb-ft of torque. The 1970 Camaro SS 396 is super rare (only 600 built) since it's powered by Chevy's potent, solid lifter, high winding big block 396 cubic inch (6.5 L) L78 which was rated at 375 horsepower and 415 lb-ft of torque.
360 and 375 horsepower doesn't sound like much today; however, in 1970, these cars with minor mods were menaces on the street in 1970.
The SS396 is equipped with GM's Turbo 400 automatic transmission whereas the Z28's LT1 is backed by a Muncie 4 speed. So WHO WINs?
Watch the video and see what happens.
Comment below - Tell us what you think and which car you'd rather own after watching the video...
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I’ll need to buy my pillow where the Z/28 driver gets his from😂.
Can’t they get 2 drivers ready to race. That guy was texting his Mom about dinner !!!
Never understood why anyone would sit for a second after the green light.
I had a 71 Z/28, once the original Z motor blew, I put a built 350 with a m-22 and 4.88 gears, I still wake up in cold sweats dreaming about that car.
@Zippy Knowitall It was too much for me also, I was looking for 4.11 or maybe 4.56, but the guy I bought it from said they were 4.11. Well it pulled like crazy, but after the 1/4 mile it had nothing left. I ran it around town in 4th gear like it was in second.
@@looloo6322 I had a Z with headers, factory solid service cam, I think the 3030, strip dominator intake, 4.56 with a very loose converter. It would run 12.70's at 101 over and over again. Pulled like crazy but seemed to run out at the top end. Still not sure what was happening there. I was a kid just trying things with no real experience. Not enough money to make many changes and always scared I'd blow the engine and lose a years budget. Maybe geared too low or ran out of gas? I think the converter was a 5,000 stall. You could sit still and rev it in gear like it was a manual with the clutch in.
That L78 engine was underrated. Anyone that street raced back then knew those motors were strong runners. They were high revving , quick revving big blocks. Perfect for racing
L78 ... will Dyno close to 425 HP over 450 Torque with factory manifolds
over 450 HP with headers
an LT1 4 speed can do better than what we see here
I think the small block driver lost on the line and was not pushing it too the max ,
guy was 3 car lengths behind in less than 100 feet
snoozing on the line
A Yenko Deuce with same engine and a 4 speed with 410 gears
can run under 13 seconds at 110 ,
weighs 3290
Those L78 can be quicker too
this was cool to see though , thanks for posting
My ol.man had one in a Vette, with headers, high rise intake, and Holly, and a rock crusher trans, and I'll tell you what, you had to be careful because the ass end could come around hitting every gear, 2nd to 3rd was maybe the worst, he had the thing completely sideways once lol. But what a car
LT1 was underrated from factory too, I think all engines from that period were underrated, some more than others.
My 68 camaro SS L78 M22 410 REAR GEAR PRETTY MUCH STOCK EXCEPT FOR 1050 HOLLY CARB & HEI IGNITION MADE BETTER THEN 460 HP
@@samholcombe3129 Dont think the 70 LT1 was underrated at all, had more than 1
These guys that burn off tread to show off confound me. Of course it is his car and they are his tires. I did it too, when I was 16. Had to get another set of tires, so never did it again. As usual, Road Test TV did great! Thank you.
After about 30 seconds, I assumed it was a burnout contest.
Agree. It’s silly.
@@johnr5252 Let's call it what it truly is: STUPID.
The guy with the SSS396 apparently has more money than common sense. Doing that much burnout on a street tire is good only for destroying the tire in a blazingly quick fashion. I guess some folks think that it's cool.
Beautiful cars but somebody needs to work on their reaction times just saying
Dang I heard of heating up the rubber, those tires were half melted. Great launch!
They were slicks by the time of the race 💁♂️
You know what that say, there is no replacement for displacement. The guy in the Z fell asleep at the light.
Remarkable muscle here! Too bad we didn't see a better performance from the Z driver!
Badger Bait He had to wake up from his nap first then finish his beer
Looked off... weak burn out weak response time ... driver error
Z28 guy stopped at the line to eat a sandwich
Had a sandwich right after a brief nap. 👍
Had one in my 69 Camaro then the crank went put a 454 in it and it was slower than the 396.
I never realized how rare the 70 L78 Camaro was. In 1967-8 Chevy sold L78's like McD's sold Big Macs.
I'd like to see that black Camaro vs 1970 T/A with a RA IV. 400 vs 402 epic!
I've never seen any footage of a '70 RA IV TA racing. That would be great !
@@willpowers4762
We could have the same matchup (L78 vs RA IV) with '69's.
I think the Pontiac would prevail wether it was 69's or 70.5's.
@Zippy Knowitall
Sure, sure.
My point is nuanced. The L78 option is uncommon, the L78 option in a 2nd gen F body is exceedingly rare. That better?
...and the tire salesman was close by ready to pounce!
396 prob better in 1/4mi,
regardless, SB LT1 is the engine that belongs in this car, a big block (396) is way too much weight up front.
That ss396 burnout was way excessive
Agree there was 0 benefit to smoking his tires up like that.
Clean em off get a lil heat and go for it. Nothing more
Guy in the z28 left on a different day to take the trip to the finish line 😂 would've liked to see what an original Z28 DZ would do with 4.88s I believe the L78 cam with 4.11s-4.88s from the factory
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Sleepy was driving the Z
Any info about which Muncie was in the z?
A Z28 with 4.10s, a rock crusher, and a driver mod should be pretty quick.
I like all Camaros from 1st Gen to 6 th gen, but 1970-71 , 69 and 3rd gens, especially IROCs and 91-92 Z28s are my favorite, 5th Gen looks good too, a little of the old vibe.
The 70 was taken to a different direction. Was made for handling had much better suspension than the 67-69
Not hard to predict the outcome here
396 kills it on torque provided he doesnt go up in smoke out of the hole
Lt1s were great engines but not that hot. Ill take a BB all day long
Classic r fun watching
Mopar man at heart but always loved the Camaro!
350 guy was eating a sandwich when the light turned green
396, now/was a 402cu in 1970
Even nicer
Vaya un Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 de 1970 VS un Camaro SS 396 de 1970 Bro buen video pues
I bet the big block car's tires are still sticky enough to hook right now. What a burnout.
Vaya buen video pues Un Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 de 1970 vs un Chevrolet Camaro Z28 de 1970 buena Carrera pues
The two burnouts fortold the story...
If I was representing any car company being accused of “unintended acceleration” I would show the jury a video of the black Camaro’s burnout. Clearly if the driver has his or her foot on the brake, the car isn’t going anywhere. Of course the jury would probably still rule against the car company because, well, basically people are stupid.
@Jeff Spicolli Brakes were still holding the car back, though, and just the front brakes. Which is what he was saying.
There have been loads of cases where people's cars accelerated and they swore they had their foot on the brake and it wouldn't stop.
Which is 100% impossible. Can't accelerate with your foot on the brake. It might barely move, at best with newer front wheel drives, but not with rear wheel drive which is where it all started. It was usually older people with bigger luxury cars like Lincolns and Caddys that it happened to.
MPH tells the storry though
Exactly right. Thanks for watching !
Dang I would have expected them to be closer! That big block isn't light! MPH says the big block is making more power, that is for sure.
I’d say those tires are hot for sure
I owned a numbers matching 1970 SS 396 L-78 with headers and M-21 Close ratio Muncie and 12 bolt Optional 4:10 rear gears and would beat any Z-28 (unless it was modified) I am tried of Z-28 this and Z-28 that. The BB received no respect.
Weelll, owned a '67 SS Camaro back in the day, 350/4sp with 4:10 gears, very strong running car. Never raced a Z28 but I did get some action with a friend with a '70 Chevy II with a L78. The piece was about the size of a fender. Like many people here, what I would give for that car now = a lot
Thats cuz most guys couldn't drive with a big block torque. Blow the tires off at the starting line. 7"-8" wide tire , not the technology compounds like today. I lived those times. I could beet 9 out of 10 big locks , Chevy, Ford's, Mopars with my 67 Chevelle 327 cu. In. 456 gears, 400 turbo. Get them off the line enough they couldn't quite catch me on the top end. 🎉
The l78 by far way faster than the baby z28 even if he took a nap wouldn't stand a chance! Z28 was more of a road race car the ss l78 was a drag car!
I may just have to find a 70 roller to put the 4 bolt 396 into. It will be a clone but i want a proper car to drive that engine in. IDK about a "cruiser" or A body with the weight of a car like that, id like it in a chevy II, but a 70 camaro is "period correct" and something smaller than a chevelle/malibu. I just want to see how a 396 solid lifter build can perform outside of straight lines or how useable that power is with the right modern/suspension setup. Or if its too out of hand on an m21/m22. That it would require a 5 spd etc. IDK im not going to be drag/racing it or building it into a show diva/cruiser, or a drag car. Just trying to figure out how streetable the 396 can be...or if its even worth my time building into, when something more modern and a more mild cam is more ideal for these cali traffic/filled streets. Considering thats why i want to do some sort of a track oriented build centered around the 396 solid lifter...get a "classic" race car type of build/performance. Sure id like to have it in a period/correct build and factory/ss parts utilized to get an ideal 1:1 build and pull it at the strip to see how it really was back in the good ol days...the cost/aspects seem to divert me from that concept, and i feel id rather get more miles driven/fun out of it if i just do a TRACK oriented build, or turn it into a cruiser or use it for some air bagged truck. Still doesnt seem like it does the engine justice i want it to live/die reving through gears on longer "PULLS" than 1/8th miles. The streets and drag strip doent seem that hospitable to the 396 solid lifter l78. From what ive seen ppl go to a different cam/lifters and go the 402 rout for a more reliable/power. I just want something that would be considered translated to a person doing a ss396 camaro/nova into a roadcourse/track trans am build of that era.... displacement/restrictions aside.
@andola Jackson I don’t think you can go wrong with a 70 Chevelle with a 396 or a 454. A lot of people are also going the LS route which is also good choice from a power and drivability perspective, however, I like seeing an old school big block under the hood of a 70 Chevelle. Thanks for watching !
I wonder why the guy in the black Camaro didn't do a burnout.....
NOt sure what the Z28 driver was doing? Maybe passed out from the excitement? I knew of a 70 z28 with minor mods and 488s which ran 1290.
You knew the z28 was going to lose the guy doesn't even know how to do a proper burnout
final drive ratios?????...it is 1320 racing after all.
Doesn't doing a brake stand chew up your rear brakes ??
Not if the car has a line lock, which I'm sure this car did. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_lock
Stupid waste of tires...
Wait, I was eatin a sandwich...
BIG BLOCK OOH YEEAAAHHH😜😜
Small block was sleeping big time!
Z/28 driver lost it at the start line
Ratt beats mouse
Mr small block cant drive
Not a 70 Camaro. The 1970 had a short spoiler. *edit* Sorry, the damn vid had a hybrid Camaro and then, to find out, the green cammy had a stoned driver.
Dan Hillman... That is a 1970 Z-28. The short spoiler was used until the S.C.C.A approved the taller 3 piece spoiler for the Trans America racing series, The Trans Am series was the reason the Z 28 was created in the first place, remember? . Another hint that this is a 1970 Camaro is the separate headrest on the front seats. Starting in 1971 both the Camaro, and the Pontiac Firebird had a one piece seat back.
The rear seck spoiler on the Z/28 in this video is the short spoiler.
😴💤...../28
Big blocks rule
driver error
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Lol ...
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I have a 1970 z28 RS with factory drive train it is so powerful it will put you in the back seat taking off. It never seems to top out it's clocked for 150 mph it will bary the needle so fast it just keeps climbing. This video is a joke these 1970 z28 cars are factory built race cars...
A 396 is a big block
ET doesnt start til he breaks the beam, doesnt matter when he leaves.