The Real Indigenous People of NZ
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- With official recognition by Auckland University of ancient standing stones, with discovery of stone walls, carved boulders, and ancient working solar observatories, there is compelling evidence of a pre - celtic peoples inhabiting New Zealand as long as 4500 years ago. This 6 minute clip asks why is there a wall of silence on this most important part of NZ's early history? email: TurehuNZ@gmail.com
It's not 'convenient' for some people to have the past exposed.......a whole lifestyle depends on it.....
vague conspiracy theory nonsense
And money.
Obviously this subject causes much debate, and there is no mention of "The Children of the Mist", about the greenstone trail, or the Polynesian Triangle that has as its furthest points Hawaii, as well as New Zealand. As a blended culture, we now recognise that we all all New Zealanders, however, and it will always be the case, who came to NZ first? There are many hidden cultures making NZ a lot older than one would expect. One thing is for sure though, the Maori peoples did come, settle and continue to do so in this beautiful country. After all in the endgame we are but travelers in time and space. What we do on this earth is the important thing. :)
I agree. There is way too much arguing, bickering and fighting between Maori and pakeha. This bicultural stand off is unhealthy for NZ and as you said "we all all New Zealanders". Maori are not indigenous. They are travellers just like the first Europeans were but they want it to be more and this continuous feuding is why I no longer live in my own country of birth. I no longer have to suffer the 'in-your-face racism' on a daily basis where the pot is continuously stirred by the left leaning mainstream media. Maybe it has improved of late. I don't know.
It needs to be noted the Maori are by race, cannibals.
@Robin if you think biculturalism is bad, try living in USA. This place is a powder keg.
@@edpearson64 cannibals and what ..Put my people dwn ..Maori's were cannibals woopdy doo and what...
Well, back when I was a small lad, I was told that one of my maungas "Maungapohatu" was a comet, and crash landed on earth millions or billions of years ago. Just to be with the god of the mist (Hine Pu Kohurangi). And apparently that's where "The Children Of The Mist" Such so myself, came from. It was a great story to me as a kid. But GODDAMN , I wanna know where my kuia and koroua got there information from, Because how the hell does that work.
This is interesting as hell, but factually it's a mixed bag. I've looked into it a lot because I love reading about this kind of thing. Sadly, I'm always disappointed when I dig a bit further.
The thing about the Moriori arriving a couple of hundred years earlier has no basis in fact, it's a common misconception that was disproved in the 1970s - they were Māori who settled the Chatham Islands from mainland NZ, probably around 1500, and they underwent a cultural shift due to resource scarcity. Their language is a dialect of Māori most similar to the Ngāi Tahu dialect. They are genetically and culturally Māori and their early artefacts match those found on the mainland.
There are definitely some interesting and tantalising clues that people may have at some point visited NZ prior to Māori settlement, but there is no solid evidence that anyone other than the ancestors of Māori settled here for long enough or large enough numbers to leave any evidence. Contrast this to the viking settlement sites in remote parts of Canada - despite them not having managed to successfully colonise North America there is still plenty of evidence for the handful of attempts that they made.
Polynesian people are well known for erecting stone monuments similar to those of the neolithic period in Europe. There are some particularly impressive monuments in Tonga, for example, as well as the obvious Easter Island Maoi, and astronomically aligned monuments throughout western polynesia and micronesia.
The artifacts, stone monuments and carvings shown aren't stylistically different to other Polynesian examples found elsewhere, which is why archaeologists don't view them as being evidence for a non-polynesian culture on their own.
The whole idea that the archaeological community is taking part in a conspiracy to suppress knowledge for which evidence exists I find fairly unbelievable - archaeologists, and indeed any person who's gotten into a financially unrewarding profession, are doing the work mostly for the love of it, there is no incentive for them to hide things and indeed if there was any evidence contrary to the current understanding then surely they'd be all over it.
Hi Nik, You are right; it is a mixed bag and subject worth getting excited about and openly researched as in other countries. FYI do some research on the pre polynesian megalithic builders called the Lapita people and connect the dots with the megalithic structures in Tonga and a pyramid base on Savaii in Samoa plus who do you think taught the Polynesians mathematics and astronomical navigational plotting ?
Stonehenge must have been built by modern brits, then, seeing as similar structures can be found all over modern britian
rahowhero where
Whatu Wikohika he was being sarcastic....He is stating a similar scenario but in a European context. It was well stated.
_"The whole idea that the archaeological community is taking part in a conspiracy to suppress knowledge for which evidence exists I find fairly unbelievable -"_
While I find your comment very interesting, I feel obliged to correct this assumption.
The most obvious example would be Egypt, ofcourse. Where to this day any research requests are met with quite a bit of hostility. It is blatantly obvious that conventional Egyptology is completely false.
Then there is Peru & Bolivia, which in a nutshell is the same story. Vast amounts of evidence that contradict the official narrative.
And closer to NZ I can think of the Gunung Padang pyramid in Indonesia. They won't even let them use ground radar. It's completely off limits, despite vast amounts of evidence literally lying around everywhere there.
I trust these 3 examples will suffice to get rid of the notion that "it is hard to believe that the archaeological community is taking part in a conspiracy to suppress knowledge for which evidence exists"
I found one of those stones once on a coastal property over 40 years ago. I was a shepherd at the time and mustering stock so didn't pay it much attension other than noting it looked out of place on raised ground and had a number of symbols or engravings that made no sense to me. I promptly disregarded it as I had work to do and didn't note if other stones existed around it or if it lined up on points on the horizon. But my interest has been raised in recent years with the drive to rewrite NZ history. Maybe I should keep its location secret so it can be rediscovered at a future time in a different political climate.
No use going to a University with your information. I would have a chat with your local MP. Feel free to email the photo and I can show it to expert who was the presenter. cheers.
@@johndevere1846 avoid the experts who will debunk the fantasies, yeah?
Keep it secret for now or get a trusted source, NZ Maori do not want this known as they will have to share the Treaty coffers or return land etc
@@jodiberntsen racist nonsense. There were no people in nz before Maori, and even if there were it wouldn’t change the fact that Maori are tangata whenua.
@@eeeaten Please refrain from the R word.. it is soo yesterday. what are you afraid of, what makes you soo closed minded????
these solar observatories are similar to found in south americas too, also rocks with bowls in it
we have the stones in scotland thy are on ley lines
What are ley lines? I'm trying to understand why they were so significant to the ancients.
Mystery Babylon before God scattered them to the 4 corners of the earth, same religion now being brought to the surface again as it is written in the truth of Gods word the Bible, particularly Revelations. Genius chapter 6 gives the original story.,
TE PAPA HAS A ROOM, WITH EVIDENCE OF PRE CIVILIZATIONS BEFORE THE NATIVES SHOWED UP
Bullshit...go ahead...give the reference or citation...lets follow the bullshit...post it LOL
@@tracydelieu2857 Te Papa is a museum in Nz.
Where I didn't see that it doesn't matter anyway we were here way before you
Bro you guys are homeless outcasts from England
@@munzotheawesome1522 yeah trying to act like they colonised us when they were really running away from the great stink of shithole england. Look it up brotha the great stink england
Theyre stillhere and the depth of there knowledge is fierce
frickn ay. water or any body of fluid at rest always forms a level surface. glass half full bro. we have all bin laden
Yes there knowledge is so fierce that according to monica Matamua only 2 Ngati hotu even speak the language. There language which is nearly extinct and unrelated to any other in the world. They were almost (according to monica Matamua) wiped out by the Ngati Tuwheratoa in 1450 after the battle of the 5 forts. Yeah sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fierce.
stop talking smack idiot.you must follow noal hilliams research.do you realize tuhoi are hotu.parou and many other hapu.waitaha still here clown.im one.stop misleading the truth cause you fail to search for truth.
@@mh4485
You are ngati hotu?
@@mh4485 Chuuur the clown can you rewrite your comment, please. That shit was painful to read.
The fact that the information is restricted until 2063 is baffling. Why so long I wonder.
The information is as restricted as any of the books sitting in the restricted section of all nz libraries. .....in other words you can’t remove or access the ‘information’ without prior approval,,...but,...you’re more than welcome to study the info in the ‘restricted’ area till your hearts contenr.
I have found exactly the same type of alignments and arranged stones on the port hills above Christchurch but no-one has noticed them. One of the alignments of several stones point to the solstice sun setting over the Alps.
Excellent. On the Solstice coming up take note of where the sunrise and sunset markers line up with a hub stone.
@@turehunz342 , i would say Earth is flat (Minute 2.05) and Stones are for navigation.
@@turehunz342 I did this long ago and found the primary sighting rock or what you call 'hub' stone, it was way back in the 90s. I also took a lot of photos but the whole roll got exposed to light somehow. There are several observation spots with stones arranged like this to sight points where the sun goes down behind the Southern Alps along the crater rim in mid-winter and mid-summer, probably made by the albino Patupairaehe who are said to have lived up there forever in the Rapaki iwi legends recounted by Tikao.
@@FrancisMaxino lol probably not
@@FrancisMaxino albino patupairaehe you say wow I love how European use and twist our very own mythology to suit their pre maori narratives but when ever maori speak about mythology in any way pakeha laugh and dismiss It eg taniwha etc why are they so hung up on dismantling maori accomplishments it often boils down to Christians and white supremacy often it is both they are synonymous for me Christians defaced our tiki and manaaki through out history and still today beacuse it is a deity to them its obvious to me lot of Christians hate maori because they worship other gods and not jesus lots of Christians are good also tho but it is a two sided sword imoh
The three truths. Yours, theirs and the real truth.
The real truth is the third truth. Noted
@@israelboakes6710 But none of them true.
@@brahmahum A lie
@@brahmahum A LIE
A very interesting watch provoking much thought and debate, thank you!
Historians and archaeologists dismiss these theories. Michael King wrote in his history of New Zealand, "Despite a plethora of amateur theories about Melanesian, South American, Egyptian, Phoenician and Celtic colonisation of New Zealand, there is not a shred of evidence that the first human settlers were anything other than Polynesian",[10] and Richard Hill, professor of New Zealand Studies at Victoria University of Wellington, said in 2012, "Not one of [the theories] has ever passed any remote academic scrutiny."[8] Hugh Laracy of the University of Auckland called them "wild speculation" that has been "thoroughly disposed of by academic specialists."[9]
Another historian, Vincent O'Malley, and the New Zealand Archaeological Association regard the theories as having a racist or at least a political element, seeking to cast doubt on Waitangi Tribunal claims.[8][11] Scott Hamilton in "No to Nazi Pseudo-history: an Open Letter" further explains objections to the theories of Bolton and Doutré (and the website Ancient Celtic New Zealand).[12]
+Christopher Sibley well of course they don't of any earlier cultures and peoples.,....... why, .... because in the National archives in Wellington has all artefacts and information relating to pre maori peoples restricted until 2063. Check it out yourself.
+Christopher Sibley Suggest you check out this wonderfully researched doco
by an Australian Couple. After you've looked at it then make comment.
czcams.com/video/2z6PlYiQSTs/video.html
Actually you are incorrect. The Archaeological reports are open access in Archives New Zealand Auckland and Wellington Branches. They're also available online through Whangarei Libraries Northland Room Digital Collections. I have some of the copies which I obtained via the Maingay Collection which is online and fully accessible. This video like the Plumm production lacks any academic rigour and fails to stand up to scrutiny. The entire thing is based on a theory with the 'evidence' found to fit that theory. DNA testing of the Rapanui elders by Oslo University proved they all had Polynesian descent originating from the Marqesas Islands. Scientists also proved the polynesian people were master navigators and more than capable of traversing the Pacific as far away as Easter Island. Also in the DNA evidence they found the Rapanui had had some contact with people of South America. This "there were people before Maori" is flawed, without any plausible evidence and has no sound basis in fact whatsoever.
Hello Liz, "academic rigour" is an oxymoron especially from our so called academic institutes. If these people say anything controversial they are "down the road". Openness with ideas for discussion can only come from people like us; we are not afraid. Those in Universities are so PC and willing to tow the line for fear of losing their jobs. If you are an academic Archaeologist would you like to help?
Sorry I can't accept your argument. Had you a sound basis with proper evidence instead of conjecture I would take this so called 'Waitaha/Turehu" theory as perhaps plausible. But it isn't. There hasn't been one piece of sound evidence produced. Just a theory without the solid evidence required to prove it is plausible. You're quick to dismiss the Academic community, and I highly doubt anyone there would supposedly lose their jobs. Because somehow simply accepting a theory that cannot produce the supporting evidence isn't how someone academically trained would work. At least not those that are taken seriously James Belich being one of them. Archaeologists go on the evidence they excavate, date and examine to determine the timeline in comparison to those who make the consistent claim that the Waipoua Reports are all supposedly locked up until 2063 because of some supposed government conspiracy. And yet I was able to obtain them via the Whangarei Libraries digital collection. I'm a Heritage Researcher Turehu and like the archaeologists I go on documented evidence which includes reading archaeolgical reports. When you come up with the actual archaeological evidence to prove your theory then maybe you'll get taken seriously. Let me know when you do.
There are stories of some of Tuhoe having children with the people that were all ready here. Rereke nei(respect to other beliefs, this is just a story there are many and to each their own. This is a story on my marae and our whakapapa, children of the mist. We are descendants of a long line of chiefs and the people that were made of the clay of this land. But all Maori come from royal lines and each marae has a great story. Go and listen to the descendants laugh, song & eat with them. I have been to 8 marae so far and love listening to their stories it is like I am on a voyage through time. It seems to me that maybe, just like my ancestors. The Irish too could see through the vail and in doing so could also astral project their consciousness over distances. If your looking for science to prove this it’s called quantum physics (just a food for thought)
Yes the Irish were connected to the Egyptians.....
And the people made of the clay of the land were possibly aboriginal or an aboriginal mix. The aboriginals made it from Australia to the Amazon in South America. Their DNA exists in 3 tribes there. So its not out of the question they made the much shorter journey to NZ. And some Maori stories say the people here were dark and ugly (no offence just repeating). Some of the incoming Polynesians took the best women for themselves.
@@rebeccabriggs2982 don't need dna to proof it , look at the hair face eyes body structures, feet hunting tools, culture, and traditions,stories, languages, etc.
I've been telling people's for a long time no one believe me, and other stuff I know without no knowledge of science just information on people's traveling documentary to many countries, books,
Just got to look at what I mentioned ☝️, take in what is vision, look at what you see and observe . Don't need to be a professional to know these things,it how a person can search for knowledge for the Truth and to share .
There is alot in the bible, alot of people's do not know about, even this land is mentioned in the bible and the knowledge is from eygpt.
It mentioned the fish that feeds thousand that fish is the Ika o Maui, north island the Waka is the south ,
It also mentioned that this is the fish will be born on this his return but she is the almighty the creator but he shall observe see how the land is treated and all curroption and he can distroy life
People's need to see how much is wasted and polluting corporation system need to wake up because it is there cause off, it why is so many disasters,
He is here on the Waka true facts theses people's from theses names Churches King government Free Mason who ever else they know about many centuries ago and I know how they did manage to find it and why they had to find it and to take claim for his return it is in the bible but they did not know if it was real but having to invade and map the world and not being able to find the fish then the story was need written to be true it is only when a person had notice a pattern on someone and notice what it maybe how these people knew about this pattern there for it maybe the direction is and this could be the land the fish that is mentioned and shit they have no idea he is here
people's walking pass or driving pass talking to him every day and night not knowing he know who he is but if he say to people who he is how many people would believe , strange how many peoples say they Jesus and people's follow
But when he mentioned he god no one listens except few people's have
They know the truth .
Can you elaborate on the clay like people please?
very interesting and yes, the Irish too could travel through the mist, it passes down through generations too for those willing . . .
I heard tuhoe were imbred af so the rest of Maori sent them to the Swamps, they bred with mauriori ( how ever you spell it).
When Tasman and Cook arrived they found Maori's. Now if you actually listened to what they were saying it would not be such a mystery. Maori's claim tangata whenua status from they fact we descend from the original inhabitants of this land. Be they Irish be they Phoenician be they Tamil be they Chinese be they Viking whatever what is for sure a large component of them were Polynesian and most likely they were shipwrecked. Maori's claim our status, mana whatever from the fleet that arrived about 1350. This was a planned migration and many of the crew were royalty and experts, priests with skills that would be required in this new land. Which they knew about because the ancestor Kupe the navigator bought back the instructions how to get there. Through geneology the new arrivals quickly made connections with there long lost relatives and so it was until the pakeha arrived. One of the main differences was the fleet Maori's were gardeners the tangata whenua were hunter gatherers. Hence the observation of stars was not a mystery and whats more these new people Polynesians did construct stone altars but you already no that don't you. To understand Maori History you have to speak Maori and then hang around with Maori's and if you're lucky they might speak to you.
your answer is exactly what ive been trying to say lol. this arsehole who made this is just another maori basher he has no real interest like us in the facts, he just wants to discredit our ancestors newly arrived and old, all 1 people by making descendants
For the record - Tuatha Dé Danann didn't/don't want to deprive anyone of their piece of land on this Earth.
But these burials/ monuments/ sacred places should be protected.
+Soular Surfer As-an-Irishman-the-Tuatha Dé Danann-were-fairies-like-the-Leprechauns-they-were-made-up
@pagan warrior says they have found their bones!! The maori hunted and ate them!
REPLY: This is what I mean....No evidence supports this lie...go ahead and post your citation...
@pagan warrior can you sent some information about what you said? maori and egypt. as i have been thinking its the other way around. the video as im thinking all the time are the patupariarehe descendants of lemuria land or not? and isnt it possible that we all spread from there? easter island as navel of the earth
@pagan warrior oh look its the bullshit merchant LOL
@@KrissyDeluxe ask him for citations while your at it :) Like who said it and any actual evidence not based on speculation...thanks :)
MAORI have always said they are the First to POPULATE Aotearoa, they never said they were the first to visit Aotearoa, there are stories from Nga Puhi of shipwrecked spanish sailors and how they lived together, stories of Ngati Kahungunu living with norse european left behind and living together
First to visit or first to populate New Zealand is the same in my book. Would be nice for these oral stories of Maori to be published and taught as part of NZ history.
@@turehunz342 are we keeping up with curriculum? Pretty sure that's the go in the near future
Which is why Maori are not indigenous to this land
@@louisebracknell2451WE HAVE A KEYBOARD WARRIOR 🤣🙃😂 AND YOU'RE PROBABLY A RACIST TOO AYE LOUISE BRACKNELL
@@louisebracknell2451 : Indigenous enough. They have been there for 500years prior to any other settlers 🤔
In Samoa they were known as the Tetea (Albinos) but were expelled due to civil strife, in Tonga one of the noble clans is called Ha'amea (Ha'a meaning Clan/House and Mea meaning Pale or Light-coloured) with mythical origins, in Kiribati they are known as I-Matang (Meaning from-Matang likewise I-Kiribati meaning from-Kiribati) a name used to describe Europeans today because of their similarity to the I-Matang who arrived in ancient times. In Tokelau, Spanish Explorers described their meeting with a canoe party of natives when they discovered Olohega, describing in detail some of them being white in skin, some with freckles and reddish in hair and so named it "Isla De La Gente Hermosa" meaning Island of Beautiful People. There are a few Pacific Islander families who are descended from them when they mixed with local populations. Names like kura/ura/vula/kehu meaning "red" because of their reddish hair and also mea/tea meaning "pale" because of their complexion.
A curator at the museum in Vanuatu told me these white people were called the Lapita. I asked him what happened to them? He said well, er, um....we ate them!
Nice guy! Appreciate your input
@damis tiseye A wonderful world of discoveries out there!
@@turehunz342
Cannibalism. A nice way to explain the evidence away. You are a băllbag.
@@Nagin-zt6sc OK
4,000 to 5,000 years ago red haired Irish people setup standing stone observatories and temples of worship. Why has the government placed an embargo on this knowledge until 2063?
The embargo on the archaeological dig at Waipoua forest which I think is what you are referring to was put on by Micheal Taylor concealing the carbon dating of inhabitants centuries before Maori. My friend the late Noel Hilliam was there at the dig and told me.
What reason has the Government got to hide this knowledge? Anyone's guess. After votes, maybe UN directive??
Is the New Zealand govt. afraid of the past?
@@tamarutepotangotangomakea5108 where you from?
Yes they are
A bit of support for the "Out of Australia theory" as opposed to the "out of Africa theory"
every legit scientist will say all australians ultimately came from africa.
"Legit scientist will say"
The subverted western school system (prussian factory model) suuuucks lol
How would yous kno tht those Land makes of Rocks had came from Ireland or Your Country you talking about..lol Soo why arent they still here the Maoriz Rowed there Wakaz from Hawaiki too find there New Land Ko Aotearoa Now Yous are saying how did the Rocks get there lol..Get a Life Soon u gonna say how did the Egyptians..Build an Makes there Pyramids an Where did they get there Rocks from aye..Goes Bks too England because thts Where You English White pplz all comes from.. Unless Onn tht Rite Yous came on Captain Crocks Ship from England an he dropped off all the Crimmals off I'm Australia an NZ Who all Invaded all the Black Race Yous Called them all an Stole there lands an Killed an Rapped there Woman an Shipped there Children bks too England an Used them as Slaves..the Indigenous pplz were already in Australia.. Wen the Maoriz came thru..an Discovered NZ.. Indigenous pplz an they are the Dream Times of Soo many Tribes tht Discovered Australia.. The History Books already States it was the Maoriz tht Discovered Aotearoa..Ask Your Queen Elizabeth she sed the Maori..are Rated nubrr 1 in the World for English Language..now I wonder why she stated tht in her England History Books lol Well thts Why NZ p
thts the Sent her Eldest Children too Study English in NZ University Schools lol Soo the Maoriz could teach them Our too Speak Proper English Words lol She didnt have enough Confidence too let her Children Learn English in her own Country aye You pomys Dont kno the 1st thing about talking Proper English lol thts why pplz comes too NZ too learn how too Speak proper English aye I Can believe You pakeha are trying too say Other pplz were in NZ before NZ God gave all Diff Cultures too lives in own Countrys an Speak there langages aye Why do Yous think Yous can steal Over pplz treasures an Gold Yous ate Curpt an Greedy tht why You pakeha Govts terrible aye Get a life Cos God Will Punish Yous all..xx
@@eeeaten Oo
Don’t know why people think there would only have been one or two waves of settlers on New Zealand. In the Caribbean where I am from there are the same indentations on stones referred to as work holes. Very similar spirals carved into the stones and caves, made by a people whose name has long been lost, they predate the Kalinago (Caribs) and the Arawaks. Similar markings, I realized, are found in the Canary Islands on the other side of the Atlantic. I must say though don’t limit yourself in thinking the migration happened OUT of pre Celtic Europe it could have happened IN to pre Celtic Europe.
Pre-celtic europe actually got around. A lot.
They're called scythians, check it out very cool!
czcams.com/play/PLru9zi8j7G3Nsz03pkBzFdv_1tRxdCMJo.html
South Americans have a connection to eastern polynesians for example 'te arawa' in Aotearoa 'te arava' in the Tuamotus also known as Havaiki and 'ta arawak' a tribe in South America.
Love this comment!!
I'm not a racist in any way. I dont really care if NZ is completely given to Maori. They are generous people. I'm 1/8 Maori. I like truth, and history is like a gig saw puzzle. The accepted story of 7 great wakas arriving in NZ would suggest a unified arrival. As we all know Maori are not unified and were very brutal on each other. This suggests arrivals came from different peoples, at different times. Many Polynesian people have the birthmark on their behind. This originates from Genghis Khan , down on through Asia, and many Asian people have this spot on their behinds. Also, some early arrivals to NZ came via Iran thru Peru, Easter island (you tube ancient NZ history, completely non racist, many Maori stories) AND SOME from the more traditional route, Polynesia. Also many hundreds of ships left Europe and Asia in 14/15 hundreds. Only half returned home and were accounted for. It is possible many roamed the oceans and picked up women and landed in NZ. Remains of Spanish galleons have been found in the Kaipara harbour. So lets work it all out. Nothing to be scared of surly ?
Absolutely Mark, I find archaeology and the movement of people fascinating and the Maori who call this a racist subject must be fearful or ignorant. Wouldn't it be great to have a time machine eh?
@@turehunz342
haha, yep a time machine would be fantastic. Imagine seeing the first people landing in NZ.
Polynesians were settling NZ around the same time as Gengis was alive
please post more videos! do you know of any interesting locations are the Lake Ohau region? I can document the locations with my camera and drone (all footage/photos are yours to use for future videos). I am very interested in this topic. Ancient civilisations/incorrect history/solar observatories.
I have documentation of 2 ancient observatories in the upper South Island already, one of which I think I discovered myself from obsessing over light direction with my photography. Both locations are too perfect for it to be by chance!
Hi Bobby, it is an interesting subject. Interested in the upper South Island Observatories if you are happy to share with me to turehunz@gmail.com Regards
cool story bro but the evidence shows humans first arrived in nz around 1250AD.
@@eeeaten Look eeeaten or whoever you are could you please crawl back into your hole!
@@turehunz342 how youtube works: you post irrational nonsense, i correct you.
@@turehunz342 I was going to comment, then I saw this drongos 2 cents so I thought I'd leave mine here as well.
Thanks for sharing this info, as it's very valuable to many, so know your time in making this available is very much appreciated . It actually backs up a lot of other things I'm sure you"re aware of!
Druids (High ranked Celtics) were Indo-European who built stone henge and other ancient structures in old Britton....Many Maori terms derived from Indo-European language...and Indo-European language derived from Sanskrit.
The ancient stone structures in NZ are evident that Vedic culture were here long ago.. (Evidence in the Epic of Ramayana)
Druid astrologers used a system based on twenty-seven lunar mansions, called Nakshatras in Vedic Sanskrit.
Sanskrit derived from Indo-European, actually (Indo-European
awesome vid man. people need to know. lot's of trickery going on.
LOL Where? You think White Celts discovered the Pacific before Polynesians and beat them to New Zealand? Go ahead cite your sources and dont waste my time sending me Skeleton In the Closet links LOL
Lmfao NOT THOSE LINKS!! THEY DON'T COUNT!
@Generic InternetUser YEAH SKELETONS IN THE CLOSET WHERE THE SO CALL EXPERTS NOEL HILLIAM AND MARTIN DOUTRE HAVE NO ACADEMIC GROUNDING IN THE FIELDS THEY CLAIM TO BE EXPERTS IN. HILLIAM WAS EXPOSED AS A BULLSHIT ARTIST WITH HIS BULLSHIT CLAIM OF DISCOVERING A 3000 YEAR ON CELTIC SKULL IN A MAORI BURIAL CAVE. BOTH GOONS HAVE NEO NAZI CONNECTIONS :) www.vice.com/en_nz/article/kb4yjw/a-group-of-far-right-grave-robbers-could-be-digging-up-sacred-maori-sites
There is plenty of speculation of very advanced groups of people worldwide who lived well before recorded history .Look at Gobleteki apparently 12000years old.The world had been travelled for much longer than our memory or written history.
there's no evidence of humans in nz until 1250AD.
So much i could say on this thread,but i won't...I think Turehu NZ already has enough educated maori people teaching him a thing or two about our maori history,You're learning something new aren't you Turehu NZ?.....What i mean by that is...!! the amount of opposing comments based on your documented video upload......
Whereas European culture can embrace and explore the idea that their origins may be different from what they have been taught, I find it intriguing that Maori culture would struggle to investigate with enthusiasm that perhaps their history is not what we have been taught. To be defiant in attacking this idea of indigeneity is insecurity in my opinion.
"what we have been taught" is that a group of seven waka travelled together from hawaiki to find a land populated by the moriori who were then eaten and enslaved. so on the contrary, we all welcome the truth, which is quite a different story from that.
How do i find out where these places are so as i can go and explore them and also the relevant information about the sites
Get us a campervan I'll take you lol
Very very interesting and raises so many questions. Such as, why isn't this information, and more, generally available? What is the agenda of those restricting a history, our history, that we have every right to know about? Very well and clearly presented.
Liz deVere Did Turehu ask you to post that at the last clan meeting Liz?
If you control history you control the world.
Reliable information is so hard to find these days. A true of thumb is that the mainstream can't be trusted
I fully agree with you Liz, it's called "knowledge filtration "
This is a bunch of lies. White people trying to stake a claim to the land like they have done forever and everywhere they went.
@@uncle3822 They’re not trying to lay claim to the land at all! You need to watch again and learn. This doco is about refuting maori claims of being the first people (indigenous) on the land. There have been civilisations here before them and even Maori admit they arrived here by boat.
I am glad that I am living long enough to see these things uncovered. I am still amazed by the vitrified forts that I saw when I went out to some smaller islands on the West Coast of Scotland. Now there is a puzzle. These stone sites in New Zealand are fascinating.
Is there any irrational nonsense you don’t believe?
@@eeeaten You"re making it obvious truth is being discussed my friend.
@@ShmickImages incoherent
Look into the 3 part series- True Legends and a lot will come together on this
What is the proof of the first stone showed being used as a solar compass? The measurements cited, are only contextless measurements. The Grinding holes are a ubiquitous world-wide (people grind things). The rock carvings have similar counterparts throughout Polynesia. The claims made by this group are anecdotal, without actual age dating, actual expert comparisons and sourcing, etc. The purpose of claims like in this group is to discredit Maori people, because of feelings of being disenfranchised. Feelings that pale in comparison to the long term treatment and struggle of indigenous people.
You have no idea. There are indeed similar findings around the world, but what is less known are the datings found, the dna of skeletal remnants, the carvings and paintings of the "ruling classes", and the symbols found.
The swastika, a 12,000+ year old european scythian symbol.
how can you be tangata whenua if you sailed here on a waka?
they became indigenous through right of occupation and residence....what a dumb fucking question...I doubt your Maori...more like some brown facing Martin Doutre shit bag LOL
@@ngatibroffessor1840 A shit answer to an honest question.
@mb1968nz What a brilliant representative of your race, you are. Maybe you should look at increasing your comprehension of the spoken language: according to your own definition, squatters are also indigenous, or is time a necessary component under your abstract usage of the word? If so, please point me to any accepted dictionary definition, of the word. Native Africans & Americans, Asians, Eskimos are all examples of an indigenous people. Just because the Maori didn't originate in a country, doesn't belittle the amazing achievements & courage of their emigration in times gone by. It can only increase it, if you thought about it.
@@ngatibroffessor1840 WHOA!!!! Random, violent ad-hominin attacks much???? This is a public forum, read by people of all ages. Please try to maintain a decent level of decorum and civility: people might think you're a Trump supporter if you swear at and attack people like this.... ok jokes aside: if you wish to refute someone, its best to use FACTS, not attacks.
@@ngatibroffessor1840 Obviously YOU are the snowflake here. You're obviously upset as HECK about something, and taking out your frustration on random CZcams commenters. Please just chill, and start engaging in rational, fact-based dialogue instead of profanity and rants.
Johar land is our life and blood without forest we cannot survibe. Johar indigenous people.
Just another fairy tale from folk that thought the earth was flat since Aristotle prior to arriving in Aotearoa.
why did you stop making videos? they are really good
Thank you. Have a look at my one on another mystery in NZ czcams.com/video/vP3hZrbVdd8/video.html
There's a lot of remains of those stone houses at tapapakana park Southeast of kawakawa bay..what could have been 30-50 houses.a little community.
I’d like to visit this place. What trail at tapakana park do I follow to get there? Cheers
You can see the remains on both sides of the parks driveway to the beach.most are before you cross the river.
What were the seafaring capabilities of the pre-Celtic people 4,500 years ago? Did they have the capability and know how to make enormous trans-ocean voyages (traversing two or even three oceans no less depending what direction they chose) like this possible?
Yes. Look at the Pyramids of Giza.. Sea voyages were nothing special.
@@joelcoombs3499 🤣🤣🤣 the Celtics didn't travel the oceans. And had nothing to do with the pyramids.
No there is no actual proof any European entered Nz before maori at all. But they keep trying.
The celtics are not a seafarers,lmao
The Irish were never considered a great maritime civilisation unlike the Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and British. They were the most poorest and undeveloped region of Europe till the 1960s.
I can tell you with 100% certainty these stones were not placed by ancient europeans. There is not a single shred of physical evidence to support this statement. "Conventional history tells us"
maori were the first to arrive around 1300AD.
You find ancient stones and immediately declare the most unconventional answer for it. So did the europeans place those stones and sail back to europe. No because they didn't know how to navigate the pacific. Polynesians were the first to do this.
yes
Pseudo archaeology at its most absurd.
books.scoop.co.nz/2008/11/18/no-to-nazi-pseudo-history-an-open-letter/
An ostrich at its best
"Pseudo__________" is not an argument. This video appears to be an honest inquiry and hypothesis. Whether or not its true is a scientifically answerable question and there should be no restrictions in trying to discover the truth of it.
@@somedude3448 uh actually it is, the video does not explain how these celts reached NZ or how is there no evidence at all of them in NZ, their journey to NZ and their lack of cultural, linguistic and genetic imprint on the Maoris
So Maori must have built stone hedge in Britain not the so-called Druids. Then left to sale around the world. In the 1980s There were items in the NZ herald asking what does tangata whenua (people of the land ) means. And also that Kawanatanga(pigeon for Governor) means Sovereignty. I can even remember reading one item in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi, for clarification of what the English word Partnership means. In the 1990sor early 2000s I read in the herald that some Pakeha (Maoris name for Whiteman, ) maori had other names for the Red Yellow or Black man, back to the ,some pakeha asking where their Taurangawaiwai ( ancestors home land ) is. I can understand the insecurity of pakeha here in Aotearoa in having to question there own identity hear in Polynesia. But to have the colonists arrogance of determining who the first people of our beautiful land on top of the world is like believing in Myth of King Arthur and the Knights of the round table. Even the term Knights was stolen from Arabian Knights. If want to use Maori ie Turehu there’s a name for insecure colonist white men ie Tauiwi. The opposite to indigenous.
😂😂😂
Ungrateful primitive
The commentator is ignorant about the distribution of megalithic stones. They are not only found in Britain, Ireland and France, but elsewhere in Europe, Middle East, South Asia, Korea and in South America.
and not new zealand...
Thank you for pointing this out. Perhaps you could enlighten me by giving me the locations of these other megalithic stone circles.
Very interesting! Good job!
These 'ancient artefacts' were actually made at Weta Workshop in Wellington for the LOTR movies.
There's good doco on atm called Origins, which traces the path of human movement in the pacific. When NZ was discovered, there was a lot of movement to and from NZ, back to the islands. Standing stones is part of Polynesian culture also.
Seeing a slight cavity in a rock and claiming it is strong evidence of a link with a culture on the other side of the earth is unconvincing to say the least.
@@wodenravens you are so wrong on this one
@L Dikx lol you can think that boo
@L Dikx lol my family is from there. But keep thinking otherwise "lad"
@L Dikx oh yeah cause that's the country the video is talking about lol you dumb ass
A book called Celtic New Zealand by Martin Doutre
A must Read !!
Got that book. Martin Doutre is a phenomenal researcher.
@@turehunz342 Yes Good on You Mate 👍 Truth Shines above the BS !!! For People Not afraid to Tell the Truth ❤️
@@turehunz342 phenomenally unqualified?
@@woofwoof9647 doutre is a con artist. save your money.
Still Trolling to suppress Truth@@eeeaten
Hi.
How come i can not download and save your movie?
Thanks for sharing anyway.
Maybe you ought to contact the producer of the movie : the lord of the ring.
Morgan Freeman... was in Guatemala. As well as Mel Gibson.... They are both interested in pyramids...
Have a good day!
Kudos,to you for tackling this fascinating subject; to my under there were two indigenous people on the islands before the Polynesian influx,the Small "faerie like "people and the tall red/blog haired (possibly connected to the celts) ;who's remains have been found mummified in China and are also found on North America. Am sure you'll have heard of Dr Barry Fell and the amazing lady - Monica Matumuma? - the suppression of the truth is not unique to New Zealand, but,is repeated all over the world, but,why?! Keep up the good fight am glad to see you've got a doc by Gabbi Plum,am looking forward to seeing if it's one I've already seen,tomorrow. Very best wishes from London, looking forward to more on this enigma which though almost impossible to research or confirm,has been saved and is now in the public domain for those who are interested to push the agenda and do their own hunting into a past,which "someone" does appear to be trying to erase for their own grubby ends. 👌🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟👍👋👊🌟👊✌
no, there's zero evidence of people in nz before the first polynesians.
@@eeeaten you're obviously not interested, so why bother being on this channel,or making the effort to be negative? Wish greatest respect, you've just been brain washed and obviously haven't done any research. Please don't bother to reply; unless you actually have an open mind or some interest.
on the contrary, i am very interested in our real history, which is why i am negative towards fake history and fantasy (no matter how amazing and interesting it would be if it were actually true). if i've been brainwashed it's by the fact that evidence, not wishful thinking, helps us to piece together a true picture of our past - pretty much the opposite of not doing the research. i will always reply to bs posts to point out that they're bs.
Matamua has German ancestry....FFS...
@@ngatibroffessor1840 egyptian , peruvian and polynesian actually is her enthic dna .. as her oral history matches with her dna ...
the carvings that show similarities to irish work could explain the dna of the awanui trussed burials which indicated that they came from wales
LOL Bullshit...All evidence shows Polynesians discovery of New Zealand you pompus twat LOL
Nope
david- Soe off mums wales kin look part maori , and her sisters skin creeps me out as it looks like charcoal colour . Yeah ahh am creeped out about my mothers side off the family, and a english gypsy lady ahh meet in auckland told me mums ancestors were extremly violent history.- al my prophecys and dreams are only about violence in my 64 years so far. - know when folk goin too die .
The Eastern Polynesians who became Maori built the Moai on Easter Island.
White folks love making videos about how standing stones (not even carved in this case) are somehow evidence of European settlement.
czcams.com/video/cjvjLji5VQ4/video.htmlsi=0nQFN4NqyHiQMK7S note the Rapanui Easter Island Elder in this video speaking the same language as the Maori documentor (each in their own lands dialects but the same language. More importantly note the Easter Island Elder explaining that the Ancestors of Maori are the same as the Ancestors of Rapanui.
When the same people went to Rapanui Easter Island they built and transported mega stone. When these same peoples sailed to Aotearoa they carved in the abundant material wood. When the same peoples went to the Chatham Islands they carved in wood and stone.
CZcams is full of videos by people looking for evidence that undermines indigenous explorers the world over.
But yeah show some small standing stones and call them Celtic if it floats your boat.
Growing up in New Zealand, I never heard anything about this. However, it is entirely plausible that such a fertile and habitable land would have been lived in prior to 1,000 years ago.
It wasn’t
Not the only evidence but quite compelling, tall redhead people coastal Raglan that the local Maori were at war with ,etc
@@trevorslater2746 Kaimanawa "wall" is an example of how hidden NZ history is in plain sight. Shamefully foolishness really.
@@stephenhoward7454 hidden so well that trained geologists are convinced the wall is a natural feature huh
@@eeeaten No eeeaten. The structure is made of Ryolite, quarried from a location some 16 kms away. DOC is with you in the lies. Don't be scared of the Truth, why live a lie? Have you been there? Amazing site, covered by Taupo eruption, and even a lot older.
im not going into too much detail here,but,I think Newzeland is an awesome country.
Kinda sucks that our history is covered up tho lol
frickn ay. i've been there many many times. most new zealanders now seem to live here in australia. they don't know.
@@jesusislukeskywalker4294 its not as great as you think, corruption has permeated the world through centralized power structures.
@@TheRealSamPreece I think there's a hidden agenda to remove Maori as the tangata whenua to NZ somewhere around 2063.
@@alefosioveatupu8707 that sounds about right; if the public hasnt figured out the reality of their system by then, it will be too late anyway.
It seems hes just selected any stone or pattern and tried to fit it into a theory. Think I might go outside and find a rock and say some alien put it there, and when you look at it from the right angle, you could see it lines up with Mars. Damn, Im a qualified archaeologist and astronomer in 5 seconds.
Not just find a rock, but a set of MASSIVE rocks that each have use for telling time. Now go, find those rocks. I'll not hold my breath.
This is the stupidest thing I've read on the Internet in a while.
Qualified dumbarse
Interesting. I recently heard of people called the Menehune coming here from Hawaii a long time ago, They were of small stature and were stone workers. A place called the Menehune Fishpond on Kauai has intricately cut and placed stonework.
That could explain the kaimanua wall
I lived on Kauai before moving to NZ and I really feel this statment.
Not fairy's but Ancestors in hiding because they do not want to be ate or enslaved.
@@red2775 Well yes stone structures dating back 2000 BC were found in Java...
@@alexzago6930 Enslaved by whom? And how did you come to the conclusion they were "hiding"?
Even the Maori tell of Red Haired 'Mist people / Fairies'. These people were not Celts but the Tuatha Dé Danann.
Or they could have been maori albinos.
This was really cool to watch. thank you so much.
Nonsense... Moriori never came before the Maori. They were Maori who left the mainland to populate the Chatham Islands and diverge
at 5;51 the carved stone spiral rock is exactly the same pattern as the "Stargate" rock found up Parker Ed, Waimatenui, out the back of Tutamoe/Hokianga/Waipoua is this a pic of the same rock? if not it can prove the latest rock found is not natural as they are claiming it is
that's an actual working stargate. it's from uranus.
@@MegaOrganics don't say what happened between us wasn't special
I was driving and noticed a Kiwi cabbage tree which isn't that interesting untill you realize that you are in Ireland. I stopped and had a look and it was definitely your stock standard NZ cabbage tree. Kind of understandable if it was in someone garden but it was in a paddock much like you see on Kiwi farms. It was a very mature tree, how did it get there and grow in that spot? Maybe there is a population of NZ cabbage trees and maybe other NZ plants in Ireland that have been there for thousands of years which could go a long way to creating an historic link showing historic travel between the two countries. I have not seen any others anywhere else in the world despite having traveled extensively. I think I can kind of remember the location.
Interesting. My understanding was the cabbage tree was brought over pre Maori from South America. I wonder then if the late Neolithic Irish who we believe settled in NZ, returned to Ireland hence taking that plant with them?
@@turehunz342 That would be a logical explanation.
@@turehunz342 definitely not. cabbage trees are native to the western pacific, polynesia and nz. they have been taken to england/ireland since european arrival and are fairly popular there, known as the torquay or torbay palm. they were first grown in the UK in the early nineteenth century. there were no pre-maori from south america in nz. there is no evidence for anything like that. stop making stuff up.
@@turehunz342 what sort of fantasy is this, neolithic irish doing return voyages now
How old is the oldest graveyard or human skeleton ever found or dug up in New Zealand?
I am not an Archaeologist but wouldn't these, along with tools or poetry etc, be the main indicators of past civilization? It seems hard to believe a society could exist without leaving these sort of traces.
i think Maori are encouraged to desecrate their remains or at least used to
@@hannah.r6613 bit hard to do if you dont know wea they are.taputapuatea..oldest dated marae/artifacts.dating exactly when we know of..as we arrived to assimilate with the first generation of kupe shortly after.why is thea no remains of any others? to this day after building cities...towns....mining....etc no remains of artifacts of any others prior to maori are found..assimilation definately but still nothing dating before ancient maoris known arrival.ppl forget kupe began the population..much later a fleet of maori made the voyage to assimilate with them.not completely dismissing these storys just yet.regards to features....many maori come from a mixture of polynesians creating many differences in physical features.i believe maori are a blend of asian and soutth american giving them a more unique culture compared to other polynesians who seem to be either more of east influence and more of west.maori seem to be a blend in my opinion
Dn Dvs ,
any ancient remains discovered in NZ must be returned to local Iwi (Maori)
Watch under the carpet nz ' there you will see skeletons dated 3500 years old
Not too sure why people are so set in stone with their beliefs about history...As things do get discovered throughout time, the goalposts inevitably do get moved...history does change. As everyone knows we are a young country, we are forever evolving, learning and its bound to change. England itself has as you all know, a huge history, yet the more study and archeological digs that go on around the Roman sites, Medieval sites and the Henges etc, they are learning that their history is not what they first thought it to be...It in itself is still changing and evolving as history always will. We need to be more open-minded about this, nothing is set in stone, not even the 'facts' in the Bible, but that's another story for another day!
We will allways be set in our beliefs its what made us today 🙄
Whoa! That's so awesome.. Why haven't you done more video's tho? Would love to learn more about this. I shall keep searching.. 😊
it's made up nonsense
That's why Rotorua was used for Covid quarantine & has the highest emergency housing..Rotorua is run by Maori. I nominate Remuera & Queentown to be the next Lab facility.
Interesting. I'm maori but my last name is of clan maclean in Scotland.
I'm maori my last name is martin from Ireland
McKelvey for me from Ireland. Nga Manuhiakia, my hapu.
👁 I'm ngapuhi my grandad a martin from Ireland his great great grandfather fighted beside Cameron clan of Scotland
Interesting. I am of Swedish, Spanish and British ancestry. Does that make me more of a mongrel than you?
Ordered SUPPRESSED until 2063 (!?) Holy ____ . They're kooks !
i dont know what happened.
Thank you for shedding light on the ancient world wide culture from before the flood.. 😁We The patupairehe shared the land with the Turehu and Panenehu in those times.
is there any irrational nonsense you don't believe?
Actually the moriori lived on the Chatham island
If anyone wants to know why "until 1963", it's because by then the protocols will have been carried out through (in part) the kalergi plan, we'll (edom) be virtually eliminated and it won't matter whether anyone knows the truth. Good times ahead!
Why is it suppressed ?
Why the hell is it on private property ?
Nah the queen and Pope and British Spanish pirates churches Invade it and then sold it and then lease it and people's believe they own it they own the name New Zealand but not the earth they own the name of people's name's but not the land they own people's houses homes but not the earth and land, people only buy paper not the property ,corporation lies it called salvage and slaved the land's
Land meaning people,
law is a vessel
Search the truth about birthcerticate universal income cestui qui vie what is law salvage court banks government politician popes kings queens schools find the truth
One world order. one world religion one white man system. All for gold greed power manupilate brain wash control revenue and tax thieving people's benefits, culture, traditions,
Ireland wasn't the only Celtic culture in the world, there were celtic cultures in britain and mainland europe. They could have come from elsewhere.
Actually there were no Celtic cultures in Aotearoa pre-Maori
It's quite possible that the stones described here could predate the Maoris but it seem a stretch to suggest that Irish people travelled to New Zealand thousands of years ago.
Maori were stone carvers too, so were the chinese etc etc.
Yes, it is a bit of guess work but with the variety of megalithic structures around the planet, plus New Grange and Knoweth stones being identical, I guess this is a bridge to cross. Be great to have Irish Archaeologists visit NZ in an official capacity to help us.
@@turehunz342 there are no megalithic structures in nz.
They are red heads with white skin my sister married a moriori man
European by any other name
there have been stories of giants, with red hair in the chinese pyramids
and american mounds, also up until recently still living according to recent raids on tribes only a few hundred years ago
Have you guys seen Asha Logos' channel????
czcams.com/play/PLru9zi8j7G3Nsz03pkBzFdv_1tRxdCMJo.html
Ancient islanders have light skin who looks caucasian among them and red haired too. They bear the name of their clans describing just that, they're tall and light skin. This Moriori group of people speaks a Micronesian dialect if those documentaries are factual but it appears there's a lot of Polynesian influence on their language as well. Many of their words only used in Micronesia instead of Polynesia. I'm not sure about how Celtics came to be but stone settings like this one in the Video is pretty common in Tahiti, Yap, Guam and some of the islands. Perhaps the Celtics were one and the same as the islanders ancestors origin but the whole blue eye thingy and light skin was a much later results of intermarriage from the European side after the real indigenous group migrating away? I noticed the islanders have similarities with the celtics and the Norse too. Possible that all the similarities are only ancient sharing of information and cultural influences but has nothing to do with a particular group trying to claim ownership or origin of something.
@Wenny Jester I haven’t seen him or her for over 5 years so 🤔 no idea !
And before them were an Aboriginal people whose toto runs through my veins... Mauri ora
I have read many positive and negative comments on this video and all videos that attempt to clarify the correct and true history of these two islands we call New Zealand. I have read that many millions ago the Earth consisted of a number of major continents that slowly broke into the type of shapes we see now. I understand that one large mass was called Gondwanaland and the land we know as our country was part of that continent. Is it at all possible that some of the more ancient things that have been discovered here were created then before our land eventually broke away from this land mass. Dinosaur bones were discovered in the Hawkes bay region I believe, which could well have come from animals occupying our part of that land mass, The age of man is slowly growing older as more discoveries are made, already some are claiming that man was around during the dinosaur age..I am not saying that smaller stone walls etc could have come from that period, but things like the giant carved boulders , kaimanawa wall etc could have been created before this country found its place. Something to think about.
It written in the bible the fish that feeds thousands and Giants dinosaur and aliens these people's in corporation church royalty they know
I don't think the human race existed 180 million years ago, which was when Gondwanaland started drifting apart.
You guys and your science aint getting no where
Whether this is correct or not, doesn't have any bearing on NZ today, and it doesn't get away from the fact that the Treaty of Waitangi was signed by Maori & the Crown as our countries founding document for rights of Maori within the colonisation of NZ and nothing will ever change that!
You are absolutely correct that this does not have any bearing on the TOW. This is a discussion on a civilisation inhabiting NZ long before Maori arrived as immigrants (like all of us).
@@johndevere1846it’s just bulshit 😅
Kia Kaha ☘️
We are all New Zealanders on the continent of Zealandia. We are one of this land despite our date of arrival. Kia kahala together , we all bleed red despite the differences in serotonin levels, who we are is in our hearts.
Disappointed in the so called research, Its seems more speculation, that Celtic origins are more plausible than Easter Island or Myans or Incas or a whole world of closer related cultures but you chose Ireland? I was looking forward to a good story or be educated but let down. Is there no one else in the world to support your view?
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Keileen Lucre he does speculate but DNA testing has been carried out and found skeletons pre dating moari- shared the same DNA as people living in Wales 3000 years ago, that is a fact however when people post videos on you tube without entire proof of what there saying it makes a mockery of it all which is a shame
Keileen Lucre although it has been proven also that people of Egyptian, Peruvian etc decent were also in nz pre dating moari arrival, there are moari today who share there DNA a lot of them can be seen in rotorua with blonde or red hair and some with green eyes etc different sites offer better info/facts
'He does speculate but DNA testing has been carried out and found skeletons pre-dating Maori shared the same DNA as people living in Wales 3,000 years ago'. Would you care to give us your source for this statement?
Ngamoko Nikora hi watching the nz documentary skeletons in the closet is a good place to start
Very interesting. I have read much about Waitaha but have not heard of an Irish link this early to New Zealand. My grandparents came out from Ireland in 1922, and it would be wonderful to know the truth of this. How can we get the information released earlier than 2063 as I'm sure most Kiwi's would want to know the truth of it.
what you're talking about is made up nonsense. there is no evidence of any people in nz prior to the arrival of the polynesian ancestors of maori from around 1250AD.
@@eeeaten you need to check your history, there's so much evidence it's overwhelming.
@@judioliver8082 lolz you need to check what you accept as evidence. myths are not evidence, and the fantasies of unqualified kooks and amateurs are not evidence. actual science shows no evidence of people in nz before 1250AD.
This is a racist myth spread by white supremacists
@@judioliver8082 There is so little evidence, name one thing that has not been disproven.
I have met non-European people from New Zealand who claim their ancestors were there before the Maori. There are many things about the history of this planet we don't necessarily know the full story of. However posing the idea that they were from Ireland by simply pointing to some rock features or symbols is not enough. A quick search shows that there are Polynesian symbols which give a very good match to the ones in the video here and spirals are very common. Proper archaeology should bring answers; provide dating and bring the evidence of earlier peoples living and dying to the surface. So I wish you good luck in persuading experienced practitioners to join your work.
There were no people in nz before the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori. Māori did not all arrive at once or from the same island, so obviously the later arrivals found (eastern Polynesian) people already here.
I agree. I am an amateur and can only make a calculated deduction in the face of absolutely a wall of silence from the Government and Universities. I long for the day when there is a ministry created to pull in experts Globally to solve this question. The nay sayers are almost without exception Maori.....I wonder why?
@@turehunz342 "nay sayers are almost without exception Maori" - nope. most scientists, historians, anthropologists and archeologists are not maori, and none of them believe there were people in nz before maori.
This is a whole lot of White wash New Zealand BS there4 trying 2 mislead not only Aotearoa History but also the World over Keep Trying 2 give the World your 1 view Narrative of who 1st Settled here 🙈🙉🙊
What about the relation to patupaiarehe and pygmies?
Patupaiarehe is a general term which Maori described these light skinned folk. An off shoot of this is the small Turehu people who lived in the North. I guess one could say they were of pygmy stature.
@@mrzond133
I have seen pictures of the Patupaiarehe. They are just maori albinos. Yes maori produce albinos.
Moriori are the Tangata Whenua of the Chatham islands. You are promoting a Myth and lie created by your people. Based on writings of Percy Smith and Elsdon Best, there grew theories that the Māori had displaced a more primitive pre-Māori population of Moriori (sometimes described as a small-statured, dark-skinned race of possible Melanesian origin), in mainland New Zealand - and that the Chatham Island Moriori were the last remnant of this earlier race. These theories also had the advantage - from the view of the European settlers - of undermining the notion of the Māori as the indigenous people of New Zealand, making them just one in a neat progression of waves of migration and conquest by increasingly more civilised and technically able peoples. This in turn was used to justify racist stereotyping, colonisation and conquest by cultural "superiors" Youre merely creating another fantasy to justify your presense in New Zealand...keep dreaming the only one buying your theory are those people wearing tinfoil hats.
***** We are not promoting myths and lies based on other people's writings; based on artifacts and rock formations we have filmed and touched and measured, we are postulating that there was a civilisation in NZ long before Moriori and Maori. I don't see how anthropology and archaeology is " racist sterotyping" unless this research makes you uneasy about something . If you believe Maori are the indigenous people from 750 years ago approx then you are entitled to your belief. We beg to differ. How do you think we can resolve this issue?
well as others on this post have pointed out. where is your proof? you have not presented anything solid that can be tired back into science fact. you need to accept the fact that we were here first it will make this whole process less painful for you. noku noa ehoa
@@ngatibroffessor1840 yeah this is exactly my question. if we difference betwenn black austronesian and melanesian we understand melensian as pygmy when we understand pygmy as patupaiarehe also where is the conncetion to red and blond and litte or tall i dont get it
@@KrissyDeluxe oh please more Skeletons in the Closet bullshit. GENETICS studies show the Melanesian influence occurred in Polynesians 3000 years ago. Polynesians were on Fiji Samoa and Tonga at this time period. No human remains have been found beneath the Terawera eruption in the early 1300's. Science also confirms this. (Landcare Research) www.landcareresearch.co.nz/science/plants-animals-fungi/ecosystems/prehistoric-settlement/human-arrival
@@KrissyDeluxe says we understand Melanesian as pygmy .
REPLY: You're clueless! Why dont you research before you say stupid shit.
Would it not be more factual to say that the Maori were the first inhabitants of the Celtic lands and that the rock carvings was of their doing . Fact, what white man ever left a land they possessed ?,Fact, Maori migrated all over the world from ancient times ,Fact, whilst Maori travelled this planet and finally settled in Aotearoa ,the white man still believed they would fall off the edge of the world.Shall I continue? even though there are many,many truths I can give to dispell the growing lies that seem to be gathering pace by the lying white man ,the Maori ,or more exact the Polynesian were and are the greatest seafaring people ever in the history of this world from the beginning . White history says De Garma or Magellan were the first to comment the earth less than 800yrs ago .Truth is they did not even complete one third of their so called "epic journey" .One final truth, who was the guide Megellan had on his ship, it was his servant A POLYNESIAN .The white man lives in his lies to diminish the truth of the greatness of the dark skinned people .
IMO Maori are nothing more then a collective of shipwrecked, castaways who were all marooned in NZ and married/inter breed....they were not one peoples and never have been...their numbers thrived due no disease and an abundance of everything needed to sustain life....this myth about Maori being such great seafaring people is the biggest crock of them all....they were reduced to paddling canoes/waka by the time Cook arrived.... this group of people known as Maori didnt even possess the ability to use the wheel.
@@mrspecialk1234 inter breed, isnt that a European thing lol??
@@mrspecialk1234 says Maori are nothing more then a collective of shipwrecked, castaways who were all marooned in NZ and married/inter bree
REPLY: All evidence shows Polynesians dscovered this Island and more including the America's while you were marrying Goats and interbreeding with them. We embraced the ocean while you feared it LOL
all evidence?....what evidence?.....its not like Polynesians had a writen language and recorded everything is it?.....NO, they relied on myth and legend rather then hand writen historical recording......
@@mrspecialk1234 says Polynesians had a writen language and recorded everything is it?.....NO, they relied on myth and legend rather then hand writen historical recording......
REPLY: WRONG - Our history is recorded in many ways - Art - Chants - Song & Dance, tribal oral tradition and those changed with whakapapa most Maori have the ability to trace ancestry back to a canoe :)
I'm thinking it doesn't really matter who was there first because the history of the world is filled with catacylysmic events that have wiped out the ancient peoples,comets,meteor's,asteroids,Volcano's are the culprits.Just like Australia who was there when the English first arrived is what is important.How many times has lake Taupo volcano erupted , quite a few times, which would have wiped out any peoples living there.
Double migration,down from Asia,and across from the Americas.A few Chinese shipwrecked from Admiral Cheng Ho s treasure fleets(waiponamu),a few Aboriginal fishermen blown across the Tasman,ie the Muriwai,thats pre Haole Pakeha NZ.
The ancient people (Neolithic) who came to New Zealand, possibly as early as 4500 years ago; most likely from Ireland, encoded their cyclic-astronomical, calendar and navigational sciences into the positions of standing stones.
The sciences were encoded as numbers, forever extractable by precise distance and angle measurements from the central hubstone to an outer marker stone.
Standing stone arrangements acted like libraries of coded distances and angles and, as long as the stones remained in place, they were eternal repositories and sentinels of the in-built codes. Further to that, standing stones could be solar observatories for accurate fixes onto the equinoxes and solstices, surveying alignments markers for land-mapping or waymark-trail positions for travellers.
Using the overhead star map combined with other very advanced, mathematical, positional-plotting or dead-reckoning techniques, these ancient people could calculate their position anywhere on this planet and could, thus, sail the 7-seas and survive.
so your pre celtic mariners sailed from ireland to new zealand some 170 generations ago by which route and for what purpose ?
and what tangible evidence did they leave in ireland of this supposed maritime prowess much less there actuall existence ?
Aaron Morgan
Who knows why these ancient Mariners left Ireland. They were very clever navigators and could sail the seven seas and they did.
Aaron Morgan
The tangible evidence in Ireland and for that matter the Orkney Islands, England and Scotland is in the precise arrangement of the standing stones and henges. A circular mound some distance around these henges would provide the horizon. Using relationships of angles and distance in relation to the sun and moon these ancient people ran navigational schools and taught the scholars the use of hub stone positioning as solar calendars. They were obsessed with the marking of the seasons and of time.
Turehu NZ Tuatha Dé Danann
Dear Ross Baker Hi I need to talk with archeologist as I am the true Queen descendant of the stone people long before the mori ori if u would like to discuss than we can produce evidence to the claim that dates back to 2,000 years ago and more. There are seven structures not all have been found still to be discovered. And only my people know exactly where they are... My people are the Ngariki Kaiputahi people a very humble people. If you would like to discuss further than please contact me via email first. Regards,Marie5 days ago•
So-which-part-of-Ireland-did-the-original-Kiwis-originated-from?-Munster?-Limerick?or-was-it-Waterford?-psml-what-fucking-shit
Evident TurehuNZ has just learnt to turn on a computer at the time of his
theory. I do hope he finds the off-switch on his computer before he continues trolling
for evidence.
exactly what he does.
Moriori is another Maori Tribe!!!!
Yep, they sailed out from the Canterbury region about 300 years after Maori arrived. They then developed their own culture and customs due to the isolation and less-friendly environment of the Chathams
Even so, they were genocided brutally,
Whoever done those stones, have LONG gone. I’d say before the Great Flood, which is before Māui the Surveyor, fished up Te Ika a Māui (Aotearoa)
Māui did not “fish” up the ika, it would have risen out of the water as the floods were subsiding back to normal levels.
That was after the younger dryas days
incoherent fantasy nonsense. there was no great flood. you're getting mythology mixed up with reality.
It's ridiculous to even suggest a pre-maori civilization. Considering maori as a race of people was not a concept until europeans arrived they have always been apart of all the other tribes on the other pacific Islands it was europeans that separated people by colour. Europeans even determined Maori arrival with a time period and migration patterns to fit their idea of human history.
Watch Skeletons in New Zealand's Cupboard.
Probably the only dumber "history" video about NZ on youtube.
That doco blew me away. Anatomically modern humans have existed for at least 200 thousand years and yet somehow it was only at most a thousand years ago that they finally found New Zealand in the form of the Maoris landing there (even when the Aboriginal peoples of Australia have been on their nearby continent for at least 50 thousand years...)
There are lots of unanswered questions about New Zealand which makes it quite shameful when asking those questions is basically a sin against the established paradigm.
It could have been the other way around. when the Asians moved through europe and put those stones there then moved from there with some of the Israelites to inhabit the rest of the planet.
Rightttt
The answer is: the Sriusian peoples- who are the Mag-Seed. Mag-yar- Magyar-Hungarian peoples- Our farbers- they brought knowledge, architecture, agriculture and everything about survival- that's why there are pyramids around the world, in hungary, in china, america, new zealand and all over the world. because the stars and the sun to navigate.
With all the new discovery’s in the world today there were probably people well before the ones they are talking about no is ancient
The OG people of this land were here when it was this continent was much much bigger and today it is known as Zealandia ... Those who lived in the highest mountains survived the catastrophy that followed which lowered most of the continent into the sea (hence ,if you walk to the end of the earth you`ll fall off) and surely some1 saw that ..
Source?
@@Marx9728 Emotions
Wow so I was totally open to the whole idea and thought the video touched on some really great points till i read some of the shocking comments. If you want to be taken seriously, and avoid condemnation from the academic community, start with providing facts, stats and evidence for your argument, rather than relying on the good ol' 'them Maaaaari ate em all'.
Why on earth would anyone appeal to the priests of academia when they can discern evidence with their own eyes? Do you appeal to academics to determine whether you've crapped your pants?
This is ridiculous..it’s clearly two separate people and cultures
Those bowls in the stone. I have seen them in stone at Charleston, West Coast. A man told me that a smaller stone goes into a spiral and over time shapes the bowl. It must have been bs.
Those baullans or blessing/cursing bowls were man made by the ancient people.
@@turehunz342 there were no people in new zealand before about 1250AD.
maori not only carved wood but they carved stone and bone as well do more research my friend. just a little tip try searching out side of uncle google and your so called library. best bet is to talk to the locals and everyone already knows about this vikings theory your not the first one who has been down this track lol