Is this the ULTIMATE High Airflow Case Design?
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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2023
- With high end GPUs and CPUs needing so much case airflow, maximizing that airflow is becoming so critical in gaming PC cases. Thermaltake thinks they've found the solution by rotating the motherboard to create a vertical airflow stack, a lot like Silverstone has done in the past but with a LOT more fan mounts.
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Would have been great to see the I/O integration. Both for the front panel and motherboard.
Agreed, the case will eat 30-50cm of cables
Yep, this was my biggest question/concern
Anyone remember the Silverstone FT02? the one case literally every silverstone fan keeps asking them to make and they do not. Chimney effect, vertical mounted gpu, and inversed. This looks like an evolution of that design. Interesting.
By vertically hanging the gpu you're also completely avoiding GPU sag.
Nice side effect.
However it would be interesting to see the GPU temps, especially with vapor chamber cards.
We already saw that AMD had issues with that, depending on the positioning.
I’m pretty sure that was because there was not enough water in the vapor chamber
I have the Thermaltake Tower 500 which has the same GPU setup and my RTX 4080 FE temps at load are 65C. So at least for that one it's totally fine.
But also, this type of case seems like a waste if you're not waterblocking your card anyway.
Im sure that the GPU temps will be better then in a normal choked by the PSU shroud case.
And the GPU and motherboard orientation is good. I have my HTPC in the Silverstone Alta G1M and it has the same orientation.
Unfortunately it does not have any fans for the GPU on the side. But there is a huge 180mm fan right under it in the bottom.
And that helps a lot with the temps. The rear IO (top IO in this case) is easy access under the magnetic top panel.
My RTX 3070 runs around 75c under full load. And my CPU the i5 11400 around 60c under full load.
Though the CPU is cooled by a 240mm AIO and thats a bit overkill for 65w chip.
Im happy to see that some one else is trying this conceps on a larger scale. 🙂
The issue AMD have is not enough water in the vapor chamber not because of the position.
@@RexZShadow Indeed.
Very interesting concept about time someone started thinking outside the box can wait to see what the thermals show
I also got excited about this when I found out 2 days ago, but then I found that cases like this are already on the market just that they are from lesser known brands. You can actually buy them right now. In any case Thermaltake still deserves kudos for trying to bring this to the "mainstream".
Was hoping for Silverstone to make a comeback with their Raven vertical layout case, these TTs are quite promising too.
I do miss the FT-02 and was hoping for a more compact ATX case.
Finally someone takes on this duty. Never been a fan of TT but let's see what they create here.
The ALTA-F1 was so promising. But I can not stand the glass panels. Please TT and every other manufacturer: Always give th option of a sound dampened steel/aluminum side panel!
a modern raven rv02 would be sick wouldnt take much of a redesign
honestly same, i miss vertical pc cases. The only one I found recently was from Geometric Future but they have pretty bad airflow.
Basically what Silverstone was doing 10 years ago. I had a FT-05 and the cooling was awesome!
Very interesting, looking forward to thermal testing.
As far as feedback - I’m a bit skeptical of the size of the rubber grommet at the back where supposedly all rear motherboard I/O cables would be moving through, seems like it’d have to be much much larger. Good cable management internally will also be really important if you ever need to plug/unplug USB devices and things.
Same, I have 3 monitors and all my USBs are populated. That tiny grommet is working overtime.
Really interesting cases. Basically taking the vertical itx case mounting approach but expanding it for larger cases to fit in better cooling.
I've been looking to update my Silverstone Raven for years. GN proved the airflow temps don't really change, but the GPU support at vertical is great. Always preferred this mobo mounting method.
This might be one of the best things coming out of the Thermaltake camp in some time. I actually look forward to this release. Very curious how it performs.
TT has been knocking it out of the park with their designs. The Ceres 500TG, The Tower 100, The Tower 500.......quality stuff.
Interesting design. Just wondering how difficult it's going to be when connecting/disconnecting all your peripherals (and seeing the ports) if they have to be done inside the case at the top and then routed through the grommet at the back. Will lose a bit of useful cable length there as well (if you have a big desk like me some of my peripheral cables just barely reach). Also if you have the every fan (or radiator) slot maxed out you might get some turbulence with air not exiting the case?
you would expect there would be a door / flap / removable panel and that would probably be easier to access than the back of a computer (depending of course). Cable length is a great point though
Very clean. We've come a long way since the Lanboy Air days in terms of aesthetics. Would love to see Thermaltake create a direct competitor to the 4000D at a similar price point, huge chunk of the case market that Corsair has been dominating over.
Silverstone Fortress and Raven series of cases did the 90 degree flip but without the extra chamber. They became deeper to accommodate the power supply.
Interesting, I do like the panels with dust filters. I actually just built an air cooled TT Core P6 build and was quite pleased at the airflow and temps, but think I might have to make a custom front air filter to try to cut down on the dust issue a bit. The only thing I wonder is how some of the video and cpu coolers with heatpipes respond to the different orientations to a "standard" case. Definitely enjoy seeing more cool cases from TT that also look to be great performers temp and airflow wise.
That last white case is really nice. Can’t wait till it comes to market.
Looks to me like thermaltake is doing some promising stuff ! Nice concept and the last case has still some interesting features and cool design !
Silverstone did this ages ago with the Raven which was a beast of a case. I wouldn't mind seeing this layout make a comeback. It was actually pretty convenient having the rear IO at the top of the case, wouldn't mind having it again.
I like the CTE C700 TG case, been looking at making my own one but lack the skill to do so so I would be incredibly interested in that hopefully it comes to market, it's need to improve that bracket holding the GPU so it helps with airflow or maybe some way to turn the GPU to show the water block
With all of this, it would be nice to get an option for solid side panels.
excited to see the thermal results!
Be curious about the suggested airflow of the CET cases, the rear fans would need to be intake to work with the GPU, so if the bottom and front are also intake, that doesn't leave much for exhaust. The CET750 appears to be set up for front intake and side outlet so the air from the front fans is just being sucked directly out of the side... guessing this is just showing the options though
The compact case with 420 support sounds great!
The 750 air looks the most interesting. Would have been nice to see the back side for cable management.
I actually like this case! Well done TT
YES! bring back vertical 90 degree computer cases! take my money thermaltake!
YES!
I've been looking forever for decent cases with this motherboard orientation.
I was about to give up and was already thinking about building/modding one myself.
These CTE cases from Thermaltake are almost there for me.
I would like to see the option to have the GPU side be the front of the case, not the back.
@rogerwilco99 I currently have the Lian-Li O11 AIR and the first case shown here is almost identical but with the motherboard rotated 90 degrees. Yes please.
Having intake from the bottom / front / rear and exhausting to the top is a really good idea 😃
CTE C700 Air ... wow ! Love it. Would like to a test against Torrent and lancool III
Is this the ultimate solution for GPU sagging ?
I've been designing a case like this for a couple years in solid works. I wanted to have it made but protocase wanted like 2 grand. I'm glad to see it finally done elsewhere.
I cannot believe it took this long. It makes so much sense cool air in from all sides chimney'd out the top.
Thermaltake did this forever ago with the Tower 900. They just revived it in a smaller form factor.
TT is showing up this year can’t wait for these cases
Cte 500 seems really cool for custom loops! Reminds me a lot of the yuel beast calypso layout, although that one is an open air design.
The bigger one would be great, if you could als mount 3 fans at the top, so one above the gpu, like in the cte 500.
i just want to see airflow tests. im curious if the back panel exhaust fans are just going to suck out the front panel intake air
The way you showed the "smaller stuff" case, I would love to see them remove the second chamber and put the PSU on the bottom right below the RAM modules and the 24-PIN connector. This would leave enough space for a 140 at the bottom. Maybe there could even be panels for us to decide, if the PSU is going to go at the left or the right and therefore have more intake for GPU or CPU. And what I always wish for are sound dampening panels to put on fan spaces you don't occupy. This dampens on the one side and keeps airflow where you want it to.
I bought the Sharkoon REV300 for this very reason. Works great and looks even better!
this one looks promising. just wish they also sell cases without any tg panel at all even for the sides.
i miss the cases wherein i could also place fans on the side panel
with this layout, the gpu sag is also somehow solved. lol
solid side cases still exist, they are just unfortunately rare, be quiet and phanteks still have solid side panel options
Ohh I'm buying that in a heartbeat that is so awesome and actually thinking outside of the box
out of all the cases shown here 9:05 is my favorite mainly for storage expansion and not much wasted Open space that and its not a huge bulky case with still lots of air flow.
@RogerWilco99 thanks hope it still is in 2024 when I build my next rig most cases i'm interested in usually sell out or are being resold for higher the price like the Cooler Master Nr200p Max
I had to give up my Raven case because the GPU would overheat, turns out triple fan GPUs heat pipes didn't work properly vertically. I had to put the case on it's back until the my new case was delivered, which resulted in great cooling for the whole machine.
Saddened me because it was great not having to reach behind the case to plug in cables.
I wonder if these rotated TT cases will also allow vertical GPU mounting for watercooling?
FML! I just built a high-end custom loop in the Corsair 7000D Airflow. But now all these new cases really look SO sexy!!
Especially the big one shown first here, the 700 Air
Is this not just their "the tower" with more vents really? I like the concept
Very interesting. Ima keep an eye on this
on the first case, it is possible to mount 3 fans on top?
Cool concept!
Would it be possible to run a quad 420mm radiator setup, preferably soft tubing in the 750i Hero case?
so excited for the T500!
Gooood stuff
-Wiseman-
i love the 90 degree design. I had a SilverStone FT2 for many years before the case became too outdated and I had to replace it. I would love to buy an premium built 90 degree angled case again.
Be sure your GPU will work in that orientation. On Since RTX 2000/Radeon 5000 people discovered very big problems with overheating - both refference models and AiB cards.
check out the Silverstone Alta F2
Looks neat
The first one looks a lot like a Thermaltake View 51 with the motherboard tray flipped and instead of glass we got air filters
Does this case come with built in thermal take controller?
I feel like that intakes on both sides will cause a huge amount of turbulence. You would need some incredibly efficient static pressure fans on the bottom to deal with that. At minimum the bottom fans need to be 140mm or larger to move more air.
I said the same thing. Certainly something to be tested since there IS such a thing as too much airflow. - Mike
These look great!
how to plug the monitor cable>? how is the wire management for it?
Can you route the cords through the top instead back? For standing desk it is better to have cords go through top of case
Im interested in seeing more about these cte cases
I'm not so sure if having put the fans on the side panel in a pull configuration is a great idea, I expect them to directly catch the airflow from the front panel without it passing in any radiators, unless the AIO radiator is indeed mounted on the side and not at the top like what I feel what it is
When the RV02 is still a chart topper a decade later... at least i have a replacement if the triple 180mm ever decide to retire
I really like having the MB I/O at the top of the case. Much easier access, then having it on the back.
Isn't this GPU orientation (I/O top) bad for temp because of how heatsink works?
Those exhaust fans are placed near to intake fans. Would that be a concerning factor for air loss! Ct form factor
Just got this case and it takes a lot of getting used to. First things first is buy monitor extension cords, you are going to need them. Any other cable connections you love you should also buy extensions for them as well along with some labeling tape. For this old fashioned PC builder a single internal 5 inch bay would have been nice for a motherboard driver and Windows disk but I guess I can just buy some USB connected external DVD/CD pack though I'm just going to put my new utilities and Windows on a pair of thumb drives
It's like they took the interior lay out of their Tower 500 and are trying to make the overall package smaller .
The fan sticker wobble hate it so bad.
Is the cte 500 really smaller than the 700? It looks the same size to me
I'd love a SFF case like the Meshlicious but with 180mm PWM Fans in the top and bottom, perhaps a custom fitting radiator in the top would be possible? so the GPU could be mounted just like shown here with the rotated Motherboard, the GPU could even be directly in front of the CPU with help of special bend Riser Cables if needed, so the Case could be like the Xbox Series X
Good to see TT finally realised solid metal and glass cant pass air through them
Comparisons to the Silverstone Raven and Fortress series cases are inevitable. I bought the FT02 and loved it. I wondered why others weren't doing it. At the time I read that it was a design patent that prevented them, but maybe that wasn't true?
I want to see the temperature differences of this layout compared to the conventional layout. How will this effectt the heatpipes/heatsinks efficiency of the GPUs and CPUs
I do wonder how this will test out... since the GPU cards are designed with the intent of being horizontal or vertical.
For the biggest version, isn't that around 50 watts for all the fans when they're running at full rpm? That's a hell of a lot of power, even when I'm just basing the amperage of each fan at 0.3a with 12v power going through each since that's around 3.3 watts per fan at 100% power
It's a very neat idea to rotate the board 90 degrees, that's a clever thermal idea and I'm hoping to see it more often if it works
Ct700 Air is the way to go.
So much potential!
I like the concept and C750 is so close to be great custom LC case. Just please make it a bit bigger (or make C900 model), so thick (60 mm) 3x140 radiators can fit simultaneously front, bottom and back without any fiddling or sacrificing PCI expansion slots.
Reinventing the wheel
more big cases please, almost can fit a truck inside already
Thermaltake might have finally stepped their game up.
I would to see more housing for ssd's on those cte cases
Wouldn't this put extra stress on the PCIe slot?
Since introduction of flow through GPUs with Nvidia RTX 3080 FE the airflow in a case should probably run from back to front. With CPU air cooler also reoriented. PSU on top, another intake fan on bottom for GPU. Thus separated GPU and CPU airflow and both having fresh air supply. Really easy solution. Unfortunately no one has tested the difference so far afaik. I couldn't get the RTX 3080 FE when it was released and run custom DIY ITX by now which is completely redesigned. So still curious about the results for standard cases.
I hope they make the xl ver , for dual gpu
I'd be interested if they would make something like this in SFF.
damn you could buy another case with all those fans lol
Kinda dig it. Will wait on reviews.
the fans on the side are basically going to exhaust all the air coming in from the front, before it even goes though the case
I admire TTs innovation! I wonder what they could achieve with the same concept and form factor, but utilising a mini iTX motherboard and shorting the depth to make for more of a vertical Tower looking case. The thermals would be incredible
Tower 100?
The different orientations are interesting, but from an aesthetics point of view, I wish we had more progress in the industry on power cables and where they can be connected. I seem to recall a motherboard with the connectors on the back, presented into the rear of other side of the case. That 12vhpwr just dangling there was annoying me the whole video. Last thing I saw was the Gigabyte Project Stealth.
That layout looks good, but I wonder if the GPU needs to have extraction above and or side? Not sure it needs as much intake…
I like the 3x3 + 2X2 much better, side GPU with a riser would be good..
Demitri tell TT that the CTE should have an option to be inverted where the IO is pointing at the bottom. Some GPU coolers like the Asus Strix are better in that orientation
The CTE C700 TG looks very promising.
I'm a fan of fans that's a really awesome case.
I'd like to see the performance of this vs a traditional layout with a similar fan configuration. I personally wouldn't buy this though because I have a CM NR200 with a 6800XT and thermals hardly ever go above 60 degrees C even in RDR2, GoW (2018), Callisto Protocol, RE2R.....Are large cases like this still needed?
What if I do Intake through the back and Bottom. Then GPU radiator exhaust at the top and CPU Radiator exhaust at the side with Exhaust at the front? C750
I've seen a sharkoon case with the same layout. Sharkoon rev 200 and 300. The overal quality of the thermaltake case might be better but the idea is not new.
We already are seeing cracked gpu pcbs, I'm curious if this HANGING gpu helps prevent or causes more cracks
stupid question, where do you connect your displayport for the 90 degrees?
There's enough of a space between the IO and panel for a display port cable
I had this as an idea 7-8 years ago, wanted to DIY a case like this
The IO t obe pointing down instead of top and having 3 front fans and 3 rear fans all pushing the air in 1 direction. Front to back.
Top was going to be closed, and there should be a small door so that the IO can be accessed from the side, but all the cables to go to the back.
I never found time to do this =/
I think the design can still work without rotating the MB. Just have to reposition the GPU but u suppose this is better for gpu sag.
Maybe think of making a modular version to either have the MB rotated or not and also have a vertical gpu mount the standard way and not hanging
I like this case and I like thermaltake. But, other than 2 extra fans, it doesn't really rewrite the game. You can fit 3x 120s underneath a 4090 in an 011 Evo. 6 fans as intake and 4 as exhaust works dang well with an aio in the ceiling