What Happens in the Norse Afterlife?
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In this video we'll explore records of people who got a glimpse of the afterlife according to the Norse. Valhalla / Valholl, and Helheim are both mentioned, but may not be what you'd expect.
00:00 - Intro
00:33 - Tales of the Viking Afterlife
01:28 - The Story of Hadding & Helheim
04:04 - Interpreting the Afterlife
05:44 - The Story Thorstein Codbiter
07:33 - What is the Afterlife - The Land Without Death
ending theme music by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio
This is probably one of the most comforting videos I have ever listened to.
I'm really happy to hear that ^_^
Absolutely! Thank you Ocean!
Thanks lost my mother earlier today and this is slightly comforting to think that shes with her sister and our ancestors in helheim fineally free from her pains.
This video has only further proven I’ve made the right choice, I had heard so many conflicting things about the after life in the Norse faith that I didn’t know what to think, but hearing that Helheim is a land of calm and celebration, forever green…..it really put something in my soul at ease
Afterlife is probably one of my favorite topics because there is so many different versions of it.
In reality there's more than likely many afterlives not one with many versions
Think of the multiverse theory or string theory
This is probably the most comforting version of the afterlife I have ever heard, and I'm a devout Christian. Dude, I've commented on your videos before that your work here is helping me on my faith journey, and you still are. Thank you mate!
When I was a Christian, the afterlives of Heaven and Hell were both...nightmarish to me. Hell of course cause ya know...eternal torture, but Heaven as well, cause I've heard it said that those who go to Heaven retain no memory of their former lives and just spend eternity praising their god. Both of those possibilities are horrendous to me.
After becoming a Heathen, I feel much more...calm. More reassured. Now I'm a very military minded person and personally would love the feasting and training of Valhöl, but knowing that Hel, the most common afterlife in our faith is a place of everlasting life, forever green crops even in winter and of rest with no real worry...it makes me feel much better. To know that should I not be chosen for Valhöl, that after I close my eyes for the last time on Midgard I'll wake up again in the fields of Hel...it gladdens me. As a Christian, I was absolutely terrified of death. As a Heathen, I have no fear of it at all. When my last day comes to me, I'll be perfectly content in the knowledge that this current life is just one, and the next will be another seamless chapter in my own path.
A great video on this subject my friend. I'm sure Wodan is proud that you bring the knowledge of the old ways to so many people.
I don't where you've been taught that you go to Heaven and forget your former life (there is the praising our God part but that's not the focus here), there is an abundance of Scriptures that say otherwise. Something that I was taught.
This is fits quite well in my personal belief of what the Afterlife could be like; a place of peace and without decadence for one's soul but which you must earn through living according to nature and honor.
Charming video.
absent from the internet for weeks, and then returns with tales fom the afterlife....hmmmm. suspicious.
That story thematically rhymes an awful lot with the ancient Mesopotamian sources on the netherworld, especially the later texts during the Neo-Babylonian period.
I don’t know about your opinion on own experience and soul travel, but if the entity I met was Hel, she was the kindest, most empathetic and soft goddess I’ve ever seen. Most gods are in their way full of love for humans and the world in general, but Hel (I believe it was her; I met a beautiful, but extremely pale and sad looking woman like figure, guiding dead persons and guiding me to meet my grandma), Hel just feels with all the grief, terror and anxiety we live with. That entity showed extreme and, to the standards I was raised in, foolish compassion with people who did suicide, and with stillborn children. She presented herself as the comfort for everyone who had no comfort in the finite life, and that’s why I would never fear her.
Honestly I needed this video. I've been struggling with fully leaving Christianity. I find myself praying for forgiveness of what is viewed as sin in Christianity. This helped to ease my fears of damnation. Do you have any advice for helping to shake that fully? I know I do not share their faith, I know what I believe. But going to a religious school early in life has left it's mark.
Yes, actually, I made a video on just that: czcams.com/video/1yjwneKnq7I/video.html
@@OceanKeltoi Thank you, it's hard to let go of something that awful after it's been drilled into you. I am grateful for having found this channel.
I feel the same way... Was raised a Catholic and then found this beautiful path. But I am so scared thinking I am going to Hell for this.
@Joske Vermeulen 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 exactly. A year ago I literally woke up with the thought "why do I worship a god that has mood swings like an abusive bipolar person?"
Sin is irrelevant in true Christianity. Jesus taught equality between all, compassion, education and understanding and, if one believes in the story of crucifixion, died for all humans past and future sins. Many ministers, bishops and priests (depending upon the sect) don't teach the true message of Jesus or take excerpts to back up what they feel like imposing upon others. Jesus also taught people to live with what they have and only use what they need, as he was a nomad. Whereas the Vatican, and many subsequent Chapels or Churches, teach of going to the hierarchy, paying them and oppose or eradicate anyone that doesn't agree with such views. To understand true Christianity one must look at Jesus' actions within the Bible themselves, rather than following ideology of the established orders. Learn what you can from where you can, if Christianity still doesn't suit you, follow a belief, faith or religion that you can connect with on a human/spiritual level. I hope this helps you find your path. May the God's bring peace, joy and prosperity to you and your family on all your future endeavours. And also to anyone else who may read this.
Amazing work! I'm a Greek Polytheist myself but it quite reminds me of Elysium. I wonder if they are the same place.
I’d be honoured if we find out one day child of the Olympians
@@averongodoffire8098 We will! I hope to see you there Child of the Æsir!
I always believe the afterlife is the same place but with varying titles and perceptions of it from religion to religion. Once it's our time to cross over, we will get exactly what we expected and perceived. Some of us expect a vast hall of fighting and recreation, that's what we will see. Some of us expect a winterless field or land of beauty and communion with the gods. That's what we will get. And still some of us (only christians) expect streets of gold and praises to our Lord, that's what we will get.
@@jaxthewolf4572 A beautiful idea but also holds a connotation: what about Christians or non-christians who hold the belief that they will end up in hell for either what they've done or what they believe?
Would they end up in a lake of fire? Or is it always the good they will see?
@@aristosbywater9605 Hell eventually gets thrown into the lake of fire during Revelations, but to answer your question I assume it does until you change it or become reincarnated.
Retreating on your ship only to get hit by a storm and finding shelter in a house were the ceiling collapses on you,, sounds like my luck if that happened to me i just say” yep that sounds about right”
So, this is the afterlife video you've mentioned on hammered out what seems like aeons ago. Looking forward to it!
Excellent video, I really like your new narration style.
You are a great storyteller. I actually written stuff about afterlife in my short stories. I am drawn to a forest like setting constantly with it. Thank you for your video.
I find it funny how we except that the christians who wrote down these stories interjected their opinions, yet the Christians cant or wont except the same possibility for their bible.
Yeah 😂
I think you mean accept, to agree to
Except, exception, an "other than", or "disagreement"
(He won't accept my ideas, or my position.)
(They are all sisters, except Anne, and she is a cousin.)
😘
My parents used to have a bronze guilded copy of the ten commandments at home, and honestly it terrified me. Five year old me, even that young, was convinced I was going to hell, just by...being around it, for whatever reason. My perception of what the afterlife is, how you get there, and what it means to be alive has transformed so much since I've found (and honestly still finding and...always understanding) my paganism. Cheers, Ocean.
This certainly will be one of the most interesting videos you have made from my perspective.
Beautifully put, Ocean.
i've had similar visions of the underworld in meditations with lady hel thank you for making this
I tend to view the battles in Valhalla as metaphoric or symbolic. A "warrior" can take many forms, I believe. I'm not sure that entrance to Valhalla is entirely dependent on dying in a physical battle; possibly, fighting any type of battle (physical, mental, emotional) could grant you entrance to Valhalla?
I may be way off, as I am new to Heathenry, but this is the vibe I've been getting from everything I've seen.
I think its only physicall but theres still folkvagner? Also hel is a place were people with sickness go so that can give some clues
That it a great idea, it inspires me to continue that life
Thats tracks for me think about it if we are being technical that denys a person battling cancer for years on the rope but fighting for those outside the “ring” of there bodies, and then again a red coat who looks down his musket in a volley line and gets a ram rod too the occipital would get in, i think the gods may be more discerning than that, it also seems horrid for unwilling draftees.
Ocean, do you think that Ragnarok was actually written by Christians to belittle the Gods or link it to Genesis through the one man and woman?
Or do you think it is an original story? What does the death of the Gods mean?
I lean to the idea that its a Christian retelling to match revelation that pulled from existing stories in norse culture.
Keeping in mind we know that the written works of the Eddas were recorded by Christians after an extended period of Skaldic tradition (oral recount), it is not surprising that there might be an inkling of interpretation involved. If you compare the Poetic Edda which we know is older to Snorri Sturlusson's Prose Edda there are similar mentions though of how Oðinn knows Ragnarok will come, just not when. Given the strong likelihood that the two compilations were not written by the same person, and that possibly the writers never even met, it seems there would have to be at least some common source material.
The real kicker is that the literary works don't come until the 12th century - well after the conclusion of the VIking Age and more into the classic medieval period. And we know also that literacy was not all that common in Europe during this time. With Christianity having been instituted in the mid-4th Century AD at the time of the death of the Roman Emperor Constantine, and their push to convert as many people as they could, I suspect it is at least as likely that the tale of Judgement Day takes from Nordic tales instead. Sadly we really have no true idea of how far back the Skaldic poems go to legitimize one way or the other.
The whole event is symbolic though. Many Gods die, but others survive the battle and harsh winter e.g., the summer spirit, Baldr. So it is circular in nature. The pantheon is reborn
Not to offend you, but the way you spoke, how you told the first story and how you described the afterlife as a land without death instantly mad me think of the land Nangijala (don't know if that's the English spelling) where Astrid Lindgren's "Brothers Lionheart" go to after their death. They go to the land of campfires and legends ;-) I wouldn't mind if the afterlife looked like that...
Thst being said, I could imagine, and I've only just begun diving into paganism, you find rebirth behind the wall.
Thank you for this video and all the other videos. It's such a pleasure to listen to you!
I've never heard of this afterlife now I feel compelled to look into it. In fact it reminds me of the Cheyenne afterlife Seana, the cosmic camp. 🙂
I find the idea of afterlife as a continuation of life, but without death and with the added presence of one's ancestors, to be a very appealing idea as someone who wants there to be something after death but isn't *that* focused on it, per se
I haven't really looked into the norse after life much aside from this video and mentions of it in you're videos, but honestly, the norse version of the after life seems to be fairly cool and pretty chill, especially with the way you talk about it. Kind of reason why I enjoy watching your videos. But thank you for another amazing video, I really enjoy your content.
Love the video! A while back, I tried to find info on this subject, and came up completely dry...so I'm happy I saw this video!
"I guess it could be called underwear"...lol!
Glad it was helpful!
Heartwarming, if you can survived pun-ished with dead jokes
This is really interesting. I like this idea of an afterlife.
Thanks for your content, friend.
Interesting about the river filled with weapons. It would symbolise the number of battles that were ended, since there was the custom of casting one's weapons into running water at the end of a fight/war.
You get reborn. Every aspect of Norse Mythology has a circular theme
This is interesting! The Egyptian afterlife is also a challenging journey. It’s so fascinating the older religions have this concept.
Interesting!
Offering for the algorithm god's
Sweet Sif, the opening puns are pure gold. I've been laughing like a moron
Your eyes seem so clear yet meaningful as you tell this story.perhaps this content touches your heart like it does mine. I'm eagrler to find out more about the old gods. Recently studying necromonocon
Great conclusion!
The afterlife could be a dream we relive constantly and when we sleep we see glimpses of it. It could be the paradise of Elysium or the torture of Hell. Even just the unknown abyss of space just stardust long past its use as a mortal spirit. We may know when we die, or never know because we become reborn into new life, giving our essence another chance in a different form.
Just about everyone has heard of Valhalla but not many know about Folkvagnir; well done.
Enjoyed this video very much. I am so glad to have found your channel. I am learning so much.
CONGRATS ON HITTING 25K!
Thanks for covering this. Super interesting
I once had a dream that my grandfather who had recently passed was in the house he raised my mother in, the surrounding geography was just like here. Except its grass was lush and green, and there was a golden warm light in the sky that painted everything in a golden hue. Could you think this is what the land of the dead is like?
Sounds like it
Came here from Suris’ channel. I’m loving the humor before the intros. This particular pun made me chuckle-snort.
One of your best videos in my opinion skal!
As someone with a pagan spouse but isn't pagan himself. I just want to say that your videos have been more than informative on the norse polytheist side of things, and i wanted to thank you for all the great content you provide.
Man your content is so great, I found a path of being a heathen almost 2years ago, beem learning and reading all this time and yet your videos can teach me alot, thanks 👌💯
Excellent video!
Thank you! Cheers!
Very interesting, thank you very much for all this info. Interest in the afterlife is something tied with me since I was first able to think and reason, and since cca my 12 years, I even tried to come up with my own interpretation and ideas, a path that I follow even today, after almost two decades. Now I will have another stimuli for my philosophy, so again, thank you.
May all spirits find their blissful dreaming in peace on the other side.
Great video, thanks for it
Interesting comment regarding Folkvagnr. I was under the impression that it was a place of bliss and respite for fallen warriors that fulfilled their duty as warriors out of obligation but simply were not “champions” who only were permitted to Valhalla. But I could be wrong due to lack of understanding of what source material we have.
I love your content. Its so hard to convert withouy knowledge. You have guided me to my gods and because of that my life is ultimately better. Thank you ocean keltoi. Ive been praying my whole life and the all father gave me strength
I’ve been suffering from panic attacks this week and going through a sort of existential crisis. My faith in the gods has been wavering under the pressure of all these questions and my autistic brains inability to comprehend not having a single answer for something. I’ve been fearing death when I know I shouldn’t. This video has helped me more than you can know. Weirdly enough it was equal measure this video and advice from my Christian friend.
Thank you ocean. Thank you for giving me even just 10 minutes of peace in this rough week.
love your content! Learning a lot, assuming that all that you are creating is actually historically correct, I mean I dunno...
I’ve been struggling with the loss of my mother, it really soothed my pain hearing this
Hail to her. Its tough processing these things. I wish you well and good healing.
Very interesting content!
Storytime with Ocean 🌊
"Valhalla," or "Valholl." Wait, "holl" as in hall? And "val" as in valor? Does Valhalla literally mean "Hall of Valor/Hall of the Valorous?!?!"
Val means "slain" in old norse
Dope af!
This is so wholesome
beautiful.
That was a great pun at the beginning
I always interpreted vallhalla as Odin's army basically training for ragnarok. The other halls and reams of the afterlife seem fair more intreging to me due to the mystery. Also hel is a very intrsting deaity that she basically represents the inevitability of death. But honislstly Ive exepted and prapered for whatever happens. Waither I just die and my body decomposes and energy is passed to the soil or I end up as a spirit wandering the earth or making it hellenhine. just as long as I leave me Mark on the world and change it for the better. I believe I'll go to where I'll be needed at the time
There is some literary reference we can lean on. We know that linguistically Valhalla was changed from Valhöll - Honour Hall. There is a large amount of speculation that Folkvrangr - literally People Field or Plain - is the area surrounding it. And this all resides within Asgard, not on another plain of the nine worlds. The Einherjar - those taken by Oðinn after they fall in battle - are to be gathered about him in a host to face Loki when he comes with his outcast children and the dead of Helheimr to wreak his vengeance on the Aesir.
I am glad to know more of the path of my ancestors, thank you very much.
i’m a believer in asatru, and i know most likely i’ll die of old age and sickness, but the thought of going to hel doesn’t scare me. many sources describe hel as a neutral plane where the dead can live on, drinking, eating, fighting etc. and you even get a guard dog! i dream of petting a puppy for all eternity lol
Brilliant 👍
is there a video recently you don't start with a pun........
I’ve never made a pun before in my life.
@@OceanKeltoi I'll believe that when the Greek Kalends come
A well made pun is a thing of beauty; unlike a baguette on display at the zoo.
I just wanna see my grandpa and grandma....I miss them soo much....
Alot of experiences of folks that have died and brought back to life have been met with comfort, peace, and welcomed by ancestors. I believe what you said to be true
kick ass channel
Just watched this shortly after losing three of my comrads to a car accident, this meant a lot to me.
i hope they ask you to do a Viking/Pagan documentary on national geographic channel you sound like you would be a narrator
Either human consciousness lasts forever or it does not, both possibilities are equally terrifying.
The Hadding legend seems to have a few vague similarities with the early Arthurian legends, such as Odin and Merlin.
Just saying, but I'd love more content like this.
Fantastic content. There's. Really nothing else to say.
Underwear… you get me every time Ocean 😂
That opening had me worried for a second that you'd converted to mormonism... lol jk
too many buttons
Side note: could you please do an audiobook or the Norse stories??
That dad pun.🤣🤣🤣
i really like your points on folkvangr, so it would be an contant Battlefield? Can you make a video about it?
Can you add subtitle or transcript please? I’m deaf and I would love to know what you said.
Closed captions should be working for this vid. There’s also a transcript available if you click the three little dots on the bottom right and click “open transcript”
@@OceanKeltoi I got it. Thank you!
What was the background music used during the video? It’s super peaceful.
Hi! Do you have a podcast?
Thorstein interesting never heard of that story
I went ahead and liked the video just for the underwear joke
I’m glad. Everyone else hated me for it.
Ok... question..
I no longer fight in combat, I was wounded, but remain in the armed forces doing tech.
Valhalla is no longer a likely option for me, but, say wherever I go, when Ragnarok comes, could I still volunteer?
Though an oath or some other agreement?
you know I'm not sure how all that would work. I have opinions on Ragnarok that it's not quite an uncorrupted legend. But jumping over all the hurtles of 'if's that would need to be jumped. There isn't any clarity in lore on the details of that kind of thing. But I think you could make an "if you have need of me, I can be there" kind of prayer. That might be a solution.
It's an interesting question. I'm not sure what the answer is. But I do like the question.
What do people who follow the norse mythology think about Valheim (the survival game)? The game brought me to your channel (via reddit)
this music sounds familiar
An interesting view...quite similar to the teachings of my Grand mother,on Mom's side....I have learned much from her( history chats)...As Mom would call them..!!?? Much of your sharings, from many texts...?? Seem to support this " thread" of
" Norse Paganism".. running in my family...n not the talking heads of Christianity, that try to speak over others, elsewise...
Thank you,for sharing !!!!!
Hey, what different kinds of afterlives are there and how does one achieve the right one?
You had me at "underwear".
Think I'd prefer the Egyptian afterlife. Ought to be fun carrying with yourself a spell book to fend off supernatural foes of all kinds as you make your way to the hall where the great Osiris will do a high five with you. (You'll need to have your heart balanced against the Feather of Truth on Anubis' balance, of course, but I won't sweat that because I've always been a good boy. :P )
Than there is the field of reeds for you, which is essentially the Egyptian version of the elysian fields. :)
I am in love with the story of Hading and the Jotun, Where can I find this?
It's in Saxo Grammaticus' History of the Danes. If I recall correctly it's in Book One. If not, it's in book two.
@@OceanKeltoi Thank you so much for replying, Keep up the awesome videos. You are a great storyteller, I could sit here all day and listen.
Can you do a video on Hel/Helheim?
Here you go!
czcams.com/video/ktEdpreG2mg/video.html
I never heard of that king, Hading before. Was he a contemporary of Halfdan the Black, of the house of Yngling? Or even of his son, Harald Fairhair, first king of Norway?
He’s a legendary king from around the migration era. And would have been further south in Daneland.
For those of us in my troupe the most honorable travel to Valhalla.
OOOOOOHHHHH UNDER...WEAR. I got it now!
So the helshoes in Gisli's saga are a form of underwear?
I've read somewhere that to go to Hel you need to have surten leather shoes or boots. does anyone have information on this?
That is very wrong and kinda funny XD. Hel is for most people who aren't killed in battle but die in other ways (old age, injury, sickness, to name a few)