A Much Better Way To Listen To CDs! Roon Is The Answer.
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I will never get rid of my CD players...yes I own several.
SONY D-NE320 is my absolute favorite. Not only do you get Parametric EQ, you get Clear Bass! You can stack both of these effects. Also ATRAC3 can fit pretty much one band's whole discography on one CD-R.
Yeah soon there will be no cd players around, so let's enjoy them while we can and funny thing is the value will probably go up when people start to feel nostalgic for them and may become trendy
I never get rid of anything that's not broken beyond repair.
I'm with you, I won't get rid of mine either. I have ripped my CDs to my computer, but I want to keep my CD players, you'll never know when one might come in handy.
I agree!
In 1985 my wife surprised me with a CD player for my birthday. I sold most of my vinyl, packed my turntable away and never looked back. I was on a forum and a guy said he put all of his CDs on his computer and sold them. A short time later his computer crashed and he lost every thing. I will always have a CD or Blu Ray player to play CDs.
With digital media the trick is to have more than one back up. Secondly move the files to a new drive periodically. With a couple of backups I can usually recover anything that gets deleted or corrupted.
I first downloaded podcasts, ripped all my CDs, then transferred vinyl, cassettes and negatives. Takes a long time. Scanning books is the next task to add to the digital library - not everything commercial can be found in a digital format.
Yes!!! Computers crash and streaming services go belly up. That's why I have CDs. Blu-ray players are great too. They'll play anything. And I'm not beholden to a streaming service, paying them a subscription fee every month. I OWN MY CDS.
Correct....!
Mike…Spotify is not sustainable and the artists are getting ripped off. As long as you keep the CD.s then ripping to a SSD or cloud solution is excellent. We recently stopped all our streaming services ( Netflix, Disney ) and even Amazon prime. Buy local go to theatre and cinema . We spend the same amount of money as before but at local cinema. Concert and theatre.
@@larrymagee8758 Contract not getting renewed between streaming service and artist is the big worry.
Major issues with your idea:
1: The time it takes to rip all of your CDs to a computer would be MUCH better used to just enjoy actually listening to your music collection! (On/using a CD player) Especially for extra large and extremely diverse music collections like mine. (I have about 40K CDs overall, in about 40 different genres from all over the world.)
2: The sound quality of most computer's sound cards is not as good as most (especially higher-end) CD players, and especially if you also are using a good external DAC.
3. What happens once your computer and/or hard drive(s) inevitably crash and you lose your entire music collection as a result??! (MAJOR tears! Lol!)(It WILL happen sooner or later if you rely exclusively on your computer to play all of your music collection!)
4. Talk about "boring"!... Which is actually more involving?... Actually picking out a CD from your collection and playing it, (in a good CD player), while looking at the liner notes and appreciating the artist's artwork on a CD's cover book, and then actually reading the song lyrics from said album booklet while listening to or even singing along with the song... OR... just looking through a long, same font, list of basic word, boring text song titles on a computer screen and then just clicking on one that you wanna hear? (The latter is easier maybe, but definitely not more involving OR enjoyable!)
5. I notice that most of the CD players you mentioned that have mechanical issues are more "fancy" or "higher-end" (and inevitably and unnecessarily expensive, especially to have to repair), but I just have a few more (vintage) "basic brand" CD players from Sony, Yamaha, and Onkyo that all still play perfectly and sound great too. It seems to me, from my experience over the decades, the simpler, more basic something is, the more reliable it generally tends to be long-term, maybe because there's less to go wrong in it? Also, many overly "fancy" or expensive "boutique" brand players tend to sometimes have untried and untested (by anyone but them), mechanisms or electronics in them, which might be cool or "exotic" when new, but over many decades they generally tend to have less guarantee of working properly, or so it oftentimes seems...
Besides, if you don't already have a good CD player, or maybe you need a "new" one for whatever reason, as you said; the CD players in the used market rn are almost literally a "dime a dozen", especially in most thrift stores, and good quality vintage CD players can be had in those types of stores for about the same price as a new CD still is nowadays. (Somewhere between $5-$20, depending on what it is) So even if your current player ever craps out, another good used one by a good, usually reliable brand such as Sony can be found almost anywhere for a VERY cheap price if you look! (I almost NEVER have a problem with Sony brand CD players always working in the thrift stores whenever I find them... Sometimes I may use one to test listen to a few used CDs that I'm considering buying, and/or to test out another audio component as a quality music source.)
6. If you ever ONLY just rely on any streaming service for ALL of your music then they can and DO randomly delete or pull certain albums and artists from their playlists completely due to copyright issues and/or popularity, so then you're out that specific album or artist from your music collection. :(
7. You need internet for any streaming service. A CD can be played on a CD player ANYWHERE at anytime that you may feel like it. No additional cost involved!
Bottom line is that if you want the absolute quickest, easiest, and most "convenient" way to play most average, well known music, then a good streaming service is fine, but for very rare, exclusive, out of print, collectors item albums, or most true audiophile recordings, a good quality CD player is still a MUST to own IMO, especially for long-term music collection backup at the very least!
💯 Long live the CD!
so much wrong. i’ll just point out the first one. you can listen to music while you are ripping
btw… i am a CD collector
I bought a Yamaha disc player, plays SACD, DVD-A, Redbook CD and has a 197mhz bit rate. Purchased out of their online Outlet store and delivered to my door for $35. I make CD towers from 3/4" plywood using a Dado blade set for proper slot height. An 18" tower cost me little and holds a couple dozen disc cases. Lots of ways to skin cats.
Yep. You throw out your CD player (which is dumb, but doesn't need a subscription) and you're into paying a subscription to use this setup. Which is fine, if you're happy about all those monthly direct debt amounts (that you've probably forgotten about) coming out your account. It's just another one. But if we're talking about thrift stores then that isn't a foregone conclusion that this is the best solution for everyone.
CDs are coming back! Sales are up, vinyl is getting more expensive, some albums go for $40 to $50 dollars or much much more, new CDs are from $7 to $12 and used ones .50 cents maybe $1 dollar, it is more affordable to get CDs than records, ripping them is great, keeping a good CD player is a good idea just like keeping a good turntable, love all formats including streaming, everybody has their own favorite that's cool, thank you for your videos!
Theyre charging $1-7 a piece now for cassette cases. I needed a pile but wasnt willing to pay $100 for cases...then i found the very sad never sold cassette tapes still boxed from the studio. $30 for 60 cases and with 60 cassettes i can use to record over 👍. Ohh so sad though lol. I have a wall rack filled with identical mariachi tapes atm 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m still buying CD’s…. Great format.
I’m going through a CD craze now as if it’s the hottest fad. CDs can be fun
CDs are coming back but good CD players are not. There are crappy ones from China or very expensive big square boxes ones by others like Sony, Onkyo, Yamaha and that kind of brand that you cannot get the sound out if you dont also purchase another big square box called amplifier or amps and then the speakers which are also very expensive unless you purchase ones they call bookshelf that have tiny woofers.
CD'S are here to stay ! they will have a comeback soon 😍💿
CDs and physical media is the future. I like having my CDs on a shelf where I can browse and pull some old ones to listen to on many players around the house. Streaming is only good for previewing an album before buying it. I also collect Tapes. Thats another conversation.
I love physical media too but I dont think its the future. Technology moves quickly and its only a matter of time before they perfect streaming.
I wish video games would go physical again.
@@kjrchannel1480 same
@@kjrchannel1480 there our,sad part,there limited my guess.i don't buy old games anymore because of third party, pushes insane priceses
Your video really learns what it entails to stop using CDs and start streaming. But the best (vintage) CD players are definitely up there with modern DACs and sometimes even outperform them. There is also a big plus in not having to use all those computer related stuff in the process. I will stick to using LPs and CDs and then I can use my time to replace jewel cases when needed and to take care of the new shelves I need to neatly store my beautiful collection of music documents.
I agree I love my cd's I have hundreds of them stored in archival binders also enjoy my players. I also have some files but do not enjoy them as I do cd's records and even cassette tapes.
At my last job in the audio world I worked for an extremely high end two channel and custom install operation in Los Angeles.
We sold LOTS of high end spinners from McIntosh, Moon by Simaudio, and Rega.
However for our real hardcore enthusiasts our top solution was ripping CDs using a bit perfect check, keeping the data on a Media PC, setting up a great network, and then streaming the local data to a LINN or a MOON network media player.
The stereo-heads preferred the data transfer method vs. the mechanics spinning and any possible errors that induces.
I understand the nostalgia associated with LPs and CDs, but once spotify opened the entire world's catalog of music, I never looked back. My CDs sit in my cd wallet under my couch. Haven't played a CD in 10 years. I guess I'm trading a tiny bit of fidelity for access and the convenience of having music with me everywhere I go
I agree
@@Kevinschart Nah I disagree. Spotify is a awesome resource, I listen to it all day at work. But even if you don't care about sound quality, I bet 1/3 of my collection is not even found on spotify. Half of the albums I do have on spotify randomly get certain tracks grayed out, due to legal reasons etc. One great example of this, is the Jack White produced Loretta Lynn cd from 2004 Van Lear Rose. It has been pulled from spotify, itunes, everywhere (in the U.S. at least) except for illegal uploads to youtube. Physical media still wins for me. Converting cds to digital is great, but it still relies on the cloud, or a hard drive or usb stick not to fail etc. Records/lps are getting super high and the cd will have another 2nd heyday in a few years they won't be cheap. I already see some one ebay costing way up over 50 dollars apiece.
I play all mediums, I recently added a nice Emotiva CD Transport to play more recent titles, it sounds great and renewed my interest in CDs.
About 30 years ago I splashed out on a Linn integrated amplifier and CD player. They were expensive at the time [about £1,000 each] but somehow I justified the price to myself. My son uses the amp now [it still works perfectly] and I still use the CD player [which also works perfectly]. I guess it proves my grandmother right.. she used to say "you buy cheap, you buy twice".
And the world if software and streaming etc is one of poor business. Think of all those kids that spent fortunes on iTunes and when the iPod broke that was it all their money gone they owned nothing
Yes that’s what people will never understand stream all the music on ur cheap asss cell phones to listen to ur low quality music 🎶 While CDs 💿 have better sound quality and u own the music forever
Streaming is garbage Spotify Apple Music having all that music is lazyyyy anc broke 😅
Oh i wanted one. Not a common name but damn you rang a bell there lol
@@robertquant1122 not to mention the shady deals, apple adjusting music so it makes beats headphones sound better than the competetion etc. And alac 🤢. Damn i miss the torrent network. Still remember when the artists tried selling the albums for $1 each (what the artist called fair) and the studios beat them down with streaming. Always some monopoly making life shit for everyone
I feel you! We love our discs, but a small house and tonnes of discs don't match. I've cut down on my records and laserdiscs because of just this problem. Still, there is something special about the act of physically going through a collection, selecting a disc, opening it and playing.
Yes CDs 💿 forever 2023 until I die ima keep supporting them and selling them Thanks to aomeba records, Amazon, eBay and target 🎯 we keep the CDs 💿 alive and we need to support artist 👩🎨
If only there was a format which took up way less space than a record/laserdisc, sounded/looked way better, lasted longer, and was supported to a greater extent by more devices to the point where you probably have multiple capable devices in the house already? Some kind of digital, optical disc?
I guess I will keep my CD player it's simple!
The great strength of CDs is their versatility. The fact that you can listen to them using a CD player or rip them to computer and play them over a streaming device to your hifi offers you options. I still do a ‘mixtape’ approach when ripping CDs and make my own compilations. I usually rip to WAV files probably because I am used to the format when exporting stems of my own music from a DAW. I’ve ripped much of my CD collection to an external HDD in the past, only to find the HDD has died. Bearing in mind how time consuming this is, once bitten springs to mind, but I’ve taken the plunge to do it again as it gives me the choices of quickly finding an album on PC or just reaching up to a shelf picking whatever I fancy and slotting it into a cd player and closing my eyes and listen. At least CD gives me the choice to do this unlike vinyl. Physical media (albums being the best) offer me so much greater an experience than music files. However, just because someone you don’t know from Adam tells you that a format is dead has not persuaded me to sell them all or throw a player into the recycling (I have to admit your argument has its merits, as I wonder how long we can keep CDs/DVD players going in the long term?) I intend to keep my vinyl, shellac, CDs, MDs, 1/4in reels and cassettes for as long as I breathe or have the ability to play them.
Any files copied to Hard Disc need to be immediately backed up to ANOTHER Hard disc. It isn't a question of "IF" a Hard drive will fail, it is only "WHEN". I'm keeping ALL of my massive CD collection. But I have also ripped them to Hard Disc + AND backed that up to 2 more Hard Discs!!!! If I'm in a room with a CD player, I have no problem using a CD player.
@@ElectroIllusion Very sensible advice. I've done the same too. Over the years, I've even copied my fave CDs in my collection to CD-Rs after I experienced disc rot in a few discs some years back. Nothing lasts for ever, sadly.
Regarding ripping your CDs and having back ups, If you do this the best option would be to invest in a media server. These systems work pretty much like a normal computer server. It uses multiple hard disks, usually in a RAID configuration, to store files on. There can be a decent investment of between $500-$1,000 up front, depending upon how elaborate you would like to get with the unit, but its advantage is that these systems are incredibly robust and significantly reduce the chance of data loss. These type of computer systems are designed with the intent to reduce HDD failure and data loss as much as possible.
Another nice thing is that you can also hook them up to a TV and if you have any ripped or downloaded movies you can use it for watching those as well. If you have multiple TVs or systems you can also use the server to stream to any of your devices - phones included as long as you have an internet connection. I have also seen software packages that allow you to set up your own email so you don’t have to use Gmail or whatever service you are using now if privacy is a concern. I have been looking at these systems for a little while, but I haven’t pulled the trigger yet. since I have been saving for a house. However, from what I have researched so far I think this is definitely the way to go if you want to keep digital copies of your music or movie collection.
If you have a descent cd player the quality of the sound is beyond any other media
I'm a Windows user and have been using Exact Audio Copy to rip CDs for time out of mind. EAC is free! For ripping vinyl I've been using GoldWave and true to his word, the developer has never charged for upgrades over the last 25 years or so. I keep 3 copies of all my ripped music, 2 on USB drives and one on the computer used to play my music with Foobar 2000, also free. While I have a subscription to the Tidal streaming service, the downside to that is the disappearance of titles, something that cannot happen when I own a hardcopy of the album.
Goldwave damn ☺️ cooledit fan myself. Eac is very good. For anything analog use an old x-fi sound card with the old mediaplayer software (still on the website, gotta look for x-fi titanium pro windows 7 tools) it has noise reduction thing that is truly brilliant. Tuneable too.
Another + for EAC! I like Audacity for ripping vinyl. It's also free.
Is there anything wrong with using Windows Media Player to rip CDs to FLAC? It seems to work great for me, it's already on my computer, and it's free.
No wonder I was able to buy a used $2,000 DVD player Pioneer Elite DV-38A for $100 last week.
My Marantz cd player is now 9 years old, connected to an el34 tube integrated amp and small wharfedale floorstanders, I am very pleased with these well built stereo components. Smooth, warm and detailed music. Heaven!
Not going to throw away my three CD players ever. Streaming is nice, yes you can rip them to FLAC or wav and play them, but I LOVE my CDs and my players. Just bought a new Denon DCD-800ne last year. It sounds great, as good as streaming does with my outboard DAC. And if I ever get a substantially better DAC, I can use the Denon player as a transport. As is stated on forums like Audiogon, to equal the sound of a $600 CD player you need to spend about 3X that on your digital front end to make streaming sound equal to it. Heck, I still play vinyl about 10% of the time and even play well-recorded cassettes. The Denon CD player can also play DSD files via a USB flash drive, something my current outboard DAC can't do. I will say if you are going to rip your CDs to a good lossless format, be prudent and make at least one, if not two backups on separate hard drives that are not connected to your system. Storage is relatively cheap these days while your time and effort in ripping them is not. Still even a small outbuilding can store thousands of CDs and your lawn mower at the same time, even if your house is too small.
Correct...!
I have heard good things about the Denon.
@@jeffkelly5972 I like it. My older CD players were getting well, old, and I wanted to get a "good" newer one without breaking the bank. Since it can play DSD files via the USB input for a flash drive (and other "high res" formats), I don't think I'll miss that it won't play SACDs.
I never understood why SACD players cost so much. This $600 Denon player has all the "stuff" in it to play DSD files which is what SACD was all about, so I don't get why a SACD player should cost $1200.
@@rosswarren436 When my old cd player died I switched to a Denon dvd player and I am ok with that.
Yip, love my DCD 800 as well, now own 2, in next week's video, I'll be telling you why you should rip your wax cylinders to 8 track and when your WiFi packs in, I still be listening to master of puppets lmao🤘
I have an extensive vinyl collection, but of late have switched to CD's because I am sick and tired of forking out over the top prices for records. They have shot up and bargains are rare, but CD's now provide a viable alternative. Many love the look, feel and sound of vinyl, rejoice in the art work and the character of holding something from say the 1970's that you handled as a youth or missed out on completely. I feel like that sometimes, but have come to the conclusion that above all I am in this for the music and I love the sound of a well produced CD, sharp, concise and reliable. I have three very nice Cambridge Audio CD player, I have had trouble with one because the drive belt perished but that cost me time on You Tube, £4 on line for a new belt and a cut finger fitting it. I love throwing a CD into the try, pressing play and settling down without worry of a scratched record. I luxuriate in the sound and smile at the price I paid. Today I played Grand Funk Railroad Greatest hits - reproduced without tick or jump at incredible volume. Sound imaging was all there I was there again and even the neighbours enjoyed it!!! CD's are great, vinyl is great, but quickly becoming unaffordable as the youth of today discover the wonders of the 1970's! Love your channel abd dead pan delivery and your depth of knowledge, but have some faith in the honourable CD!
Well said! I totally agree on every point...
@@stefanialengyel9095 Thanks - needed to make the point that vinyl is getting too pricey and CD's offer value and to be honest I like listening to the whole album without getting up at half time and flipping the record!
I agree. I own an old rega p3 which I love but I rarely buy records anymore as the price is ridiculous. You buy 4 or 5 new cd's for the same price as a vinyl album.
I just purchased a marantz cd60, it sounds brilliant and I enjoy buy cd's for literally peanuts in charity shops.
I own a couple of audiophile CD players and run them through the same outboard DACs my streamers are going through. The CD player through the same DAC often sounds better than the HD streaming service I use. I also like reading the album liner notes on my CDs, which aren't really the same through streaming services.
I wasn’t suggesting to stream. Also, Roon has a lot of info about the artist and albums.
what cd player do you recommend as a transport to an external dac?
@@MODAC Yes, I just always mention this as I'm surprised that the resolution of HD streaming files are supposed to be better than CD, but CDs often sound better.
Thanks for the video, liked the overview of the alternatives. That being said, here is the reality at my home. I have set up a music server/streamer for my Non audiophile, levelheaded, bride. Ripped to it are her favorite CD's, there are playlist of her favorite artist set up on it, both locally and within her Deezer account. All she needs to do is turn it on and use the remote to navigate to her music. It has a basic, straight forward user interface. You do not need to have a computer, i-pad, phone, or master's degree in computer science to use it. Do I find her streaming music from it? Hardly ever. When she wants music, she fires up her good old CD player.
Despite my efforts to set up something that is basically turn it on and hit play. The system still has too much complexity for her to want to use it. With the CD player you just turn it on, put the CD in and hit play. There are no additional menus to navigate, no decision as to use the onboard music library, playlist, or stream directly from a built-in service, or connect and use an app from her i-pad instead. Despite all its failings, you still cannot beat a CD player's simplicity. So, if there is anything within her stereo rack that would need to go, her decision would be to get rid of the music streamer/server.
Always enjoy your vids Dave. I too know the pain of ripping my CD collection (1000+) to FLAC. It took me a few weeks to complete the process. I plan on keeping my discs as a failsafe, but it's so easy to stream my files using the WIIM-Mini. I really like the looks of the Roon U/I , but I'm an Amazon music user, and really don't want another monthly subscription. Keep up the great work. 👍
Hi, just to say upfront that I enjoy ur postings immensely! But, I cannot agree with you on this occasion! I collect vintage Hifi, it is a passion of mine, I bought my first CD player in 1984, Marantz cd54, I still have it, it works perfectly! It is one of 20 CD players that I have in my collection, all are working fine! Marantz, Pioneer, Linn, Naim, Sony, Shangling are all in my collection! If a problem occurs with any of them I get it to my Hifi engineer ASAP! I have 10,000 lp’s 3000 cd’s hundreds of cassette’s and open reels! I do not rip or stream or download! I am always looking to buy more quality vintage kit, turntables, receivers, CD player, cassette decks, speakers! Nobody is right or wrong in this hobby, whatever blows ur skirt up! From the other side of the pond!👍🏻🇬🇧🇺🇸
The collecting aspect is a great factor,I will always keep using a cd player,great players are still being made,so no problem here,and I collect classic cd players too,lots of fun to be had
And all equipment needs maintenance from time to time
Informative video, gives some good options to folks that are tired of the mess and clutter of CD's. I have an old Oppo BDP-83 that I still use and enjoy with my SACDs. I sold the TT and albums, simply no longer interested. But, almost all of my listening is on the 2021 Node, love the simplicity of it and it has never once failed to work like some of the other streamers I have owned and since gotten rid of, much like your old CD players. ;-)
just bought an Oppo DV980 H with a Pioner Elite Blueray player for $100 I love it.
Sony Mega CD and Technics SL-MC7 are examples of units that in many instances are still running strong in 2023 and have high capacity. In the case of Sony, several Mega CD units may be daisy chained together. These units are often found at thrift stores, but do sell online, often for around $75 to $100.
I have a blusound and have been recently ripping my cds in Apple Lossless. I’ve been looking for the best way to take advantage. Great video. Thanks!!
4:47 "...most music listeners have moved on to streaming services..." But not most people who listen to music.
and even less audiophiles... most of us are into vinyls, reels and so on.
Most don't actually listen keenly to music but use it just for background.
I did this years ago. I still keep my CD's in a closet, and still occasionally collect them when that's the only way I can get the music on them. I still even have some vinyl, as well, and there are even a couple of vinyl discs I've ripped- as well as many of old 45's- that are still unobtainable in other formats anywhere.
Your videos for me are fair assessments your making from your own life experience. You seem like a good neighbor offering advice and I like it! Thanks!
I still have my Adcom GCD-600 changer that I bought new ~1991. I often listen to my cd's and have around 500 of them. Haven't added any in a very long time. I have often thought of ripping them and putting them on my NAS but time is not on my side for that project. I think cd's definitely have their place right along cassettes, reel 2 reel and vinyl. Depending on the cd player some had very solid DAC's that really made the music output something special. The beauty of this "hobby" is there's something for everyone. Keep up the great content!
I have ripped my CD collection using FLAC, and my computer plays through a Schiit Bifrost 2/64. It sounds good, or I used to think so. I had to double down on the CD player, and got the Denon 110th Anniversary SACD player. I've never heard music sound better, it's my favorite piece of equipment.
I bet! I own the DCD-2500NE and it is my favourite piece too. The quality of workmanship is beautiful and the champagne-gold finish is like a finely brushed jewel. I have a feeling the DCD-A110 will be replaced soon with a -2500NE successor which will likely use the same Alpha processor as the -A110, just probably in the same lovely champagne finish. This is probably the maximum you can achieve with the CD format and surprisingly, the price isn’t stratospheric.
Yep nope, I love my Harman Kardon CD player it's been working great for decades now. In fact it works better than professional CD players I've used. Ripping CD's works well for DJing but it's not what I want at home.
I have a Magnavox CD player that has the laser in the drawer. I don't think it will ever die. But it has no remote, never had one. Yes, it is that old.
Congrats on finding Roon. Keep exploring. There's a lot more that you can do with it!
I threw my TV in the trash 36 years ago; one of my best moves 👍👍
Love your rant buddy! 👍🤣 Useful streaming suggestions too!
I'm a roon user as well and like you, I love it.
I'm also a Mac user. May I make a recommendation for ripping your CDs? Instead of using the Music app you may want to look into XLD. It's free, converts to ALAC but uses AccurateRip to ensure your rips are...well...accurate.
Nothing beats the looks of the 80’s cd changers. Im keeping mine.
Great presentation. Can’t your Apple TV stream everything from the computers location to your TV set connected to the HIFI?
You can also use a DVD or BD player (easily replaceable if it fails) and connect it to a DAC. I actually expected this video to mention something along those lines.
Because that was not the point of the video. Thanks
Entertaining video! I know the frustration of ripping all of my 1200+ CDs as it takes quite a while and some dedication to get through it. I started my journey years ago by ripping all of them to WAV format and then realized after I was done that FLAC would be a better choice. So I started all over. That was about two years ago and I'm close to being done so I'm finally hoping to put all of my music on a little server that will connect to my home stereo (I'll figure that out later on). Also, the software I use to rip Cd's is called dBpoweramp, it has an additional option to batch convert audio files so now I can select multiple WAV files at once and it will very quickly convert them to FLAC. It has sped the process up considerably. I still like having the physical CDs lined up on my CD racks to look at inner sleeves whenever I want, and I do still like my Onkyo Cd player, it works beautifully.
When they told me CD's had killed vinyl, I threw away, or gave away, over 300 vinyl albums. I would give my left testicle to have them now.
I gave away 1000+. Been building them back up now.
@@MODAC Wow! I’d give them both for 1000! 😀
I have over 800 cds. I ripped them on to a 1TB Seagate portable drive in .wav form. I also copied the cds to MP3 320kbps and they are copied to my digital audio players. I've also copied the contents of the Seagate drive to another portable drive for backup purposes. I play the drive via a usb port on my Samsung television and it is connected to a DAC using an optical cable. RCA cables from the DAC go into my Acoustics powered speakers and subwoofer. I also own an amp, CD player and passive speakers and I sometimes use this set up. I'm pleased with the sound from either set up.
I just bought Feel Flows and 1967 by the Beach Boys on cd. Been loving them very much. Maybe leave the thrift store cds for low income people to enjoy. And support your local record, cd, and music store.
Aomeba records number 1 music store in Hollywood
I have one that I used to use to make back up copies . Can you please tell me where I can get it repaired? There doesn't seem to be any repair shops anymore. Thank you.
Generally agree with pretty much everything you say in this video, but I have a couple of comments. Firstly, if you’re serious about ripping your music collection and getting rid of the CDs, get a RAID for storage - hearing just one tragic tale of someone’s collection disappearing after a HD/SSD failure should be enough to convince anybody to take a belts n braces approach to the integrity of their data. Secondly, use EAC for ripping the CDs, it’s generally accepted to be the best option for bit perfect ripping, and it deals with ‘unplayable’ CDs well too. Oh, and it’s free!
I only have one CD I can't rip. It was a limited production run by the artist and recorded on CD-R discs over 35 years ago.
Yes, EAC is highly recommended but it takes much longer due to its accuracy and correction. I had to use Ashampoo to rip a few cds as EAC struggled with the odd track or two. Trying to rip the "Best of Nazareth" (not a scratch on the disc) was a non-starter with EAC so Ashampoo came to the rescue.
Absolutely awesome and easy too understand and your English is spoken very well and slow enough to understand and again thank you.
I own two Oppos. I’ll never part with them. I will, however, explore the systems mentioned in this video. Thanks for an informative dissertation on the digital home streaming options !
And the worst thing about cd players are when a friend brings his $300 cd player to your place and you realize that there's not much difference in sound quality between his cheap player and your player that costs few thousand dollars, thanks for the video.
that happens with any digital source
I have ripped all my CD's and even go by the local Goodwill to see what they have (3/$10). I have hundreds of albums and thousands of songs on my hard drive. I've moved copied of them to a thumb drive and plugged it into my car stereo. All the music I want, when i want it!
You makes some valid points but I have kept my CD player (Mission DAD 7000R) it has moments of "I'm not playing that" and she will start to squeak when spinning a disk every now and then, the remote went missing but she still plays well since purchased back in the 80s. However, while I keep my CD collection I do rip them to Flac via my Mac or PC depending on what I am doing and store them on a local drive mainly for background listening I will never throw away my CD player as the sound quality walks all over my digital players as I use my old CD player as a transport to an external DAC, I you missed that idea.
Thanks, this was a very informative video brother, learned a lot. Did you just say,”Pesce out?” LOL 😂🎧
Hi! I have the Powered Speakers Edifier S1000 MK II and I just need to listen to my CDs, I am thinking of getting the Yamaha CD Player S303 and I don't wanna spend more money in other devices, is it worth? Can I Take advantage of the Built In DAC in the CD Player with my speakers?
I have a 5 disc CD player I bought years ago. It works great. I've never had a problem with it.
I don't have a cd player and have a Sony STR-DE197 receiver. Am trying to figure out how to hook up my Sony BDP-S3200 Blue Ray player to the receiver so I can play CDS. Your solution seems very interesting if I can't resolve my Blue Ray player issue. Do you get as great a sound from your stored CDS as you do from the CD player on a CD player?
Yes, sound just the same.
EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is a very good free and easy ripper. My approximately 800 CDs were ripped to a file server years ago, but I refuse to get rid of my player. There is no argument for that. I can have both. I can play my CDs if I want or I can access my flac and wav files with multiple devices. (Apple TV, iPhone, a receiver with network capabilities, etc.)
David, what is the color combo of your G.I.K. acoustic panels?
I love all of the various cd players, blu ray players that I own. I even still use them in my vehicles. I mostly use streaming to hear new stuff to see if I want to buy the cd version. I must be extremely lucky as far as none of them has problems operating with one exception on the blu ray drive on an old Sony laptop.
I almost sold my Accuphase cd player a few years back. Then I came to me senses. It's here to stay.
I Ripped all my CDs from 6 years ago and still rippin some to this day but I can’t trash an expansive Nakamichi CD player it’s too valuable to throw in the trash maybe I’ll figure something out, I play all my ripped music thru an Old MacBook Pro and I’m satisfied with the output, thanks for sharing this video 👍
My Pioneer PD-S703 is nearly 30 years old. I've only had it for about 4 years but it's seems to have been looked after really well and have never had an issue with it
I still buy my music on cd, but I transfer it to my iPod via my laptop through iTunes, and listen on the iPod. Or laptop. I agree with you re thrift, or what we call charity shops, it's amazing how many cheap CDs I've bought, even to boxed sets of Wagner operas for next to nothing!
2005 says hello 😅😊lol
What's an iPod?
I’ve recently upgraded ti the Roon 2.0 with a new Mac Mini M1 and have ripped a ton of CDs like you. However, I did use my 1990 Luxman CD player and connected a digital coaxial cable to my DAC and the bought an Audiolab 6000cdt CD transport. I sold the old CD player. I EVEN bought NEW CD jewel cases for all of my CDs because I treasure them and enjoy using a CD player/transport. Next I will rip SACDs, not to get rid of anything, but to gain the new experience and enjoy all of my analog & digital sources.
I would recommend you do the same. Off to Goodwill to find some $2.99 CDs!
I have a WiiM mini and a DVD player I’ve had several technics cd players both have failed due to there age hence moving to a DVD player I have two Dacs connected one for the mini and one for the cd player I also use Apple Music to play Hi res I’m pleased with this set up thanks for this video great information 🙌🏻🙌🏻🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
There's something special about just enjoying the CDs - without having to fuss around with a dang PC! or phone! A standalone home stereo with an eye-level CD shelf is hard to beat. We all have CDs we forgot about, but are excellent - it's because we cant see them easily or use them easily. I would like to see some great ideas for this setup. However - that being said, Thanks for the great video and backups are always a smart idea. Copy while you listen!
Call me old fashion. I like the idea of looking at the cover art as part of the decision process of what to play. The one thing I miss about vinyl is the larger size art work and potential for extensive liner notes. I find lists of songs or albums on a computer uninspiring.
Interesting video. so when you thought that vinyl records were becoming obsolete was that what you really thought or were you going with what with others were thinking? I still have my vinyl collection that started back in the 70s. Never once thought of getting rid of my records regardless of what anyone else thought about vinyl. I have over 2000 CDs which I treasure. I enjoy both formats. I have CDs which I purchased in the 80s and they still look as new as the day I purchased them. Cases too. CD players? Been using an Onkyo for a few years now, with an external DAC. I am awaiting arrival of the Cambridge CXC CD transport. A step up. There is nothing wrong with streaming but I don't ever see myself becoming a streamer. I have enough of a music collection to keep me happy.
Thanks for an interesting video 🙂
@Zockblatt Shickleblender my listening preferences are not subject to trends 🙂
I recently picked up a Pioneer DVD player from around 2003 that also plays SACDs. I got it for just $10. It features Brown/Burr DACs and makes CDs sound wonderful, as well as playing SACDs. I own around 1500 CDs and still continue to collect them from my record store. That all said, I own probably a dozen CD players that have serious issues.
I bought an old Kyocera cd player and it works great other than the drawer not wanting to open without some persuasion. It doesn't really bother me that much. Eventually I will replace the belt.
Until recently (due to back sugery) I would often find myself in areas where cell phone reception is nonexistant which means no internet access on my phone and no wi-fi to access. So what options does that leave to listen to my tunes? There is the CD player in the car, but that doesnt do much good if Im not at my car. That leaves the last other option I know of, which is an MP3.... It works for me.
Ooh that reminds me, I have to replace the control circuit of my GoldStar FH-532 Compact Disc Player ! 🤓👍
Bought a while ago a very nice new Marantz cd player. Love to play my cd collection with it.
Most of the CD player parts are not recyclable. If it still works, give it to a charity that can distribute it to someone who can use it.
Did the same (trashed) with a mid-level copper chassis Marantz DVD player I bought new and payed too much money for that failed on me in less than 10 years...was expecting to use it in a second system for CDs. That said, I wouldn't dump a CAL Icon MkII, a nicely built entry-level high-end source that has CAL's signature warm, smooth sound, even after moving to playing ripped music and streamed music on PC via external DACs, as long as it continues to be serviceable. I still like to pull a CD off the shelf and drop it in the tray now and then, even given all the quirks you point out which I can totally relate to.
I actually love my Cyrus CDi which has opened up hours of enjoyment for my cd collection that was collecting dust. I sometimes want to listen to a whole album whilst cleaning the house without having to clean and dry my hands when washing the dishes or some albums are one track or a mix from beginning to end
While I haven’t had it for long, my Pioneer PD-M403 hasn’t let me down. I’ve used it off and on for the past 3 years, only issue I’ve had is when I accidentally loaded two discs into the single cd cartridge and that was fixed in seconds. I’m sorry you’ve had so many issues.
I need to go back through and re-rip my CD collection as lossless, but it’s hard to find the time anymore…
You are basically correct. I am keeping my CDs and player. No audio server of special player software, just dBpoweramp CD ripper used now.
I've ripped most of my CDs to mp3 at first (years back), and now flac. Not all on flac though. To be played on DAP on the go, or connected to my system via USB into my headphone amp-DAC for best sound.
I have 45,000 cuts stored on a DAP with 2 (428 Gb) micro SDs - which nearly full now. I wanted to swap one for a (1) Tb card, to fit more as I go. I did try one new Sandisk 1 Tb micro SD last fall. Dropped and dragged in files for 2 to 3 hours. Stopped to let it 'sit' and all files showed, all was well. Did it get burnt out- the next time I checked the card to continue, it did not exist in player not in my computer. That is, no error to be seen. As though it was just a piece of plastic.
Thanks for the advice, now I can get more CD players with less price in the used markets, Thanks a lot.
Is it possible to use the optical output on a CD player to connect to a PC or Mac to rip the disc?
I don’t think so. They usually require USB.
That's not ripping, that's copying. Why on earth would you want that? It would mean copying a CD would be in real time and you don't get a bit perfect copy. Ripping a CD only takes a few minutes.
@@Ni5ei I didn't know rip and copy were two different things. Does a ripped CD sound as good as a copied CD? (On a high end system)
I just wish there was a way to pay for a lifetime of Roon, but also have full access to a lifetime of music access. I hate subscriptions and prefer to own my music. Can't have it all, but it would be awesome to have the best of both worlds! Until then, ripping or subscriptions is it, which always leads me back to vinyl lol.
Tell us how you REALLY feel about CDs...
I play music and it is a whole other world of audiophilia.... I'm interested in absolutely everything and this will fit in nicely... Also I believe I watch your tech as well... He looked familiar in the brief cameo that was shown.
And the "pleasure" of getting the tagging of the files correct.
I moved from CDs to having a NAS network box with 12TB storage, and a laptop with a specialist SMSL M8 DAC, headphone amp and linear PSU. There was only a couple of software audio player choices available that were DSD / SACD / ASIO compatible with the hardware; one was JRiver Media Centre and the other is Foobar and the latter is what I use. Best setup I have ever had in the 40+ years I have been using HiFi and music listening gear.
I tried to get a friend to do the same, but he had very strong opinions on the subject and stuck with buying CDs, and filling up his room to the point things were uncomfortable (2000+ CDs / Blurays / SACD etc). Whereas I shredded all my home burnt discs and threw away all the plastic jewel CD cases for my shop bought ones, and then slotted the discs in the CD booklets and placed them all in a plastic storage container. I did the same with my VHS video tapes, ripped them to DVD discs and later to hard drive, and threw away the VHS tapes. As for cloud music services, I avoid them at all costs.
The best thing about 76 years old,and broke is everything sounds good, when my cd player packed up i found a LG dvd player for £6.50 and it sounds ok to my old ears,my local charity shop sells cd,s at eight for a pound,buy loads what i don,t like i take back,so i get to hear things i would not buy, win,win!!!
I still have my 8 tracks, hopefully someday I will make the the jump to cassettes and then to CD's.
I rip all of my CDs with exact audio copy which is a freeware program. And I play all of my audio from a solid state hard drive. Why do I do this? Partly it's for convenience and partly it's for the high volume levels that I sometimes play at which CD players tend to skip when subjected to that much vibration.
I started going down that road slowly putting my CDs on my computer.....thinking ahead I bought a external storage unit (500G)
But the unit gave up and I lost all my stored music. 🤨 wasn’t very happy.
Luckily, I didn’t trash my CD player (s) or get rid of my CDs 🤷♂️
As for how they’re stored.....I remove them from the jewel cases and put the art and CD into plastic sleeves. Works pretty good and saved me about 70% of my space. I did prefer the look of the cases.....but didn’t have the space🙄 in fact I’m out of space for my new system now.
One thing I don’t like wit computer stored, or streaming services is you don’t get the art🤨
And just a observation..... wouldn’t it be good if instead of ripping all my CDs again, there was a app that if I photographed the barcode it would put a copy of all the art from it and a lossless copy on my computer 🤷♂️ can you imagine how many people are ripping the exact same CD
Final thought.....I do think CDs will return again😁😉🙏
I ripped my CDs and scanned all the art work over 15 years ago. The ripping added meta data to the wave file but did not down load the art work. It is possible, technically, to access all media from an internet storage. For micropayments to be charged and collected and royalties paid to the copyright owners There could be "ownership" deals where if you really like an album or film to pay a multi-play fee for it. It is what happens (or did) o music played on the radio or CDs borrowed from libraries. Technically if you sell a CD or LP then you have no rights to continue to store a copy of it.
Keeping my dumb cd player and my dumb turntable. You can pay your $15 a month for Roon. I like streaming for the car and walking outside. I can stream in the kitchen. I might even stream occasional in my music room but my vinyl and CDs still rule.
I just bought a used Sony Blu-ray player at a thrift store for $10 because it can play SACDs. It does have a coaxial digital output so I can use it as a transport. Now I have to find some SACDs. 😜 I have ripped quite a few CDs to FLAC using the Windows Media Player and they sound really good through my portable dac/amp.
I am very attached to my cds, mostly I rip them on to SSDs. But I still love to play a cd at night. I bought a cd wall unit that is white and is sold everywhere,it has BT /radio/USB/sd card too. To my amazement the speakers sound so clear that I don't need to increase the volume to hear movies,which I also watch late. Some people like vinyl I'm fond of my cd collection.
I have a 24 year old Sony CD Player with their ‘fixed pick up mechanism’.
It still works like it did when I bought it in 1999. It’s heavy, it’s all aluminium and is slick in it’s operation.
I have my music ripped as well and I like using my ripped music for creating playlists and streaming my music via my network streamer. However what I don’t like is software. Especially when an update screws up something that was working previously and then all of a sudden it doesn’t, or it’s becomes temperamental.
If I want to play an album give me the CD in my player every time. It’s tactile, you have a physical disc and physical buttons and no software issues or Wi-Fi connections to think about. I get sick of smart devices and computer screens.
I want to read that fiddly to get out and put away booklet. The lyrics are in the there, additional artwork is in there and it tells me when, where and who the album was made by/at. Looking at a thumbnail of an album cover on a screen doesn’t quite cut it for me.
Lastly I doubt any of my computers or smart devices will still be doing what they do in 24 years like my Sony CD Player is now after 24 years. How many back ups of backups should I keep of my ripped library for when these devices fail through either software obsoletion or hardrive failure?
What’s that? Streaming I hear people say! Ah well you see, then you have the problem trying to find the correct versions and masters you want to hear. You have to have a good internet connection even when driving in your car to a remote location, if you want your tunes you need the data.
Then you have to pay a sub to play the music you’ve already paid for on CD & LP, or even downloaded, or even better still not be able to find the rare material you have on that obscure CD from way back when. Streaming… yeah! Think I’ll pass on that one…
My approach is a little different. Every commercial disc I own is ripped and stored on external hard drives in WAV for archival purposes. My preamp has two aux inputs, and each aux has a pair of daisy-chained Pioneer 300-disc changers (that's 1200 discs worth of capacity!). Instead of loading the changers with the commercial discs, they are loaded with CDR rips of just the songs I want to listen to most often from my CD collection. I mean, let's face it- it's pretty rare that every song on a store-bought album is good enough to want to listen to often.
Haven’t uses a cd player in years. Ripped them all way back. I have them backed up on a couple of external drives just in case of a pc crash.
One man's trash is another man's treasure. I modify cd players and I have mine up to the point that to get anywhere near it for sound quality you'd have to have a $2,000 phono cartridge on a $2,500 turntable. I bought it years ago for under $200 used on ebay. Never gives me a problem. There are more things to pick on with record playing. Having to get up & flip the record, inner groove distortion, warps, bad pressings, ticks and pops (& snaps), cleaning the stylus, limited music space per side, stylus and record wear, expensive greedy prices on both new & used lps, lps take up 6 times more room to store than cds scratches often making lp records unplayable, (some cds have hundreds of scratches and still play perfect). Seems like complaining would have a better subject than cd players. They're cheap and plentiful. Just buy another one. You won't usually have to take another $20 out of your pocket that often.
Well I agree with everything you said When cd's first came out I was hesitant I enjoyed my records ,and finally when I bought my first cd player I was slightly excited just slightly but when I started using it I was not happy ,I found it unsatisfing there was no tone arm moving just watching a box playing my cd ehh and the case was ehh info was limited compared to an album that was big and u could read side notes and info ,and yes I found cd players are finicky boy I have gone through so many players and during that time I only went through 2 turntables before I started on my journey of record player collection and of course had been just married at that time money was limited cd's were more than the record was but records were getting hard to find and the kiddies came along so my cd collection was not as large,was never a fan of cd's the cases are cheap you can't look at them with out them cracking I just bought a cd of a group that came out with a fantastic album it was out in record I wanted it in record form but the record was 80.00 DOLLARS!!!!!!! I was pissed so I relented and found the same album in cd form for 8.00 DOLLARS!!!!!!! I tried to be gentle with the case and at lest for a few months it was ok but just recently i was putting my cd copy away to store the cd after a good friend of mine bought me the record cause I gave him a record player that I fixed up and got it for 60.00 dollars it was the realistic Lab- 440 this TT was a great TT I still regret giving it to him but he was getting into the record world and his old record player died and I knew he would like it and I saw the cd case was cracked and I said wow these cases suck!!! ,and your idea of storing the cd's in the format u mentioned sounds ok but even thougfh I work on machines that are mostly computerized and using a computer at work ALL day and the pain I find them to be I don't think i want to go home and play some more with all those things and spend months storing them in a computer ,since being a compressed type of media would'nt that compress my music even more and to look up your album to play I don't know plus the fact I am a computer idiot who is not good or patient with computers its bad enough i got 4 machines at work that I have to program and some times they act up just like cd players but these I cannot kick throw out cause they are kinda of expensive and I only use a lap top at home ,I am not good with computers thats why when I go home I go to my sanctuary of turntables and great them I say computer what??? but it is a good idea for some else but i will stick with my old cd player its a sony from the 90's it will serve for now thanks for video JRo
It's simple. Put a decent quality sound card into a PC along with a decent trusted namebrand CD/DVD burner and you can watch and listen to pretty much any format you choose. When it wears out you can order another replacement that looks just like it! My PC is my home entertainment center complete with a HDMI card for quality video source for my flat screen TV. As to storing my media, I store my CD's and DVD's in the cheap and simple white paper sleeves that you can buy anywhere for pennies per sleeve and I print my own labels too. It works with no issues.
Always keep your own local copies offline, without the need of the internet for access. People are doing the handy ‘cloud’, but this assumes the net cannot fail or you won’t ever be denied. Keep your CDs.
You are right about CD players but not about the CD medium. To get as close to analog tape as you will ever hear you need a high end transport like a dual belt CEC TL-2N connected via SUPERLINK to a CEC DA SL DAC. SUPERLINK outputs utilize (4) separate BNC connectors; 1 dedicated strictly for the audio signal and 3 dedicated to clocks.
MCK(Master Clock): The CD transport receives the master clock signal from the D/A converter through this line, and functions as a slave to the DA converter, enabling completely synchronized transportation of audio data.
BCK(Bit Clock): Sends bitclock signals, required for digital data bit identification(e.g. sampling frequency) or signal readout, from the CD transport to the D/A converter.
LRCK(L/R Clock): Sends left/right identification clock signals from the CD transport to the D/A converter.
Very analog smooth / master tape reproduction using this format
A few days ago I bought a Marantz CD 60, the sound is superb. For me it's the best kind to enjoy music.
An interesting video but not sure I'll be following just yet. It seems it trades one problem for another. A tremendous amount of work and it all has to be backed up to at least one other drive, preferably two. Plus I quite like to check the info on the booklets. And ultimately do HDDs or SDDs last any longer than CD players? The average is about 4-5 years so I'm thinking probably not.
Use a backup service like Backblaze.