The Soviet Experience in HOI4's Most Realistic Mod
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- čas přidán 24. 12. 2023
- This is definitely the hardest nation in the mod and I would not recommend it to anyone else. Hope you enjoy me suffering :)
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The best part of Black Ices commitment to realism and authenticity is when they unleash the critical knowledge that apparently no military division ever, in the history of the war was ever fully equipped or supplied at any point ever.
🤣🤣🤣
Theres always some boot who managed to lose his socks
Committed to their idea of realism, anyway....
Which is true.
Of course you could find exception here and there, but most of the big units in war time, don't have the strenght they have in principle, or all the supplie needed in all areas...
Unless you're in the WW2 American army. These guys were always oversupplied when the front was stable.
@@cpp3221 "Unless you're in the WW2 American army. These guys were always oversupplied when the front was stable." Oh yeah, they had cake and overwhelming air superiority, but shit MGs and shit armored doctrine. Does your BAR squadmate really need those 500 rounds he'll never get around to shooting? It's another form of bottlenecking - what OP refers to is just part of that.
Black Ice demonstrates the reason why you need more than one person to run a war.
It demonstrates (some) human beings are masochists who love to be abused.
Exactly. I always say "That is why there's more than one person doing this shit" whenever I screw up or forget something important because I have other equally important things to manage at that time in paradox games.
First it was hitler depressed in a tank struggling to take Moscow With Stalin laughing at him, But now it's Stalin depressed in a bunker in Moscow with Hitler laughing at him.
I started a Soviet play through in this mod and had to cheat because I had -110% organization, idk how that even happened 😩
You messed up the purge decisions essentially
That's fucking criminal.
how the fuck is that even possible??? What are your divisions doing? Running around like a headless chicken????
@@projectincomperablesloth3324
Sounds like that's what was happening.
Should that even be called military at that point
I didn’t realize who I was watching until I heard Braun speak then I realized it was the guy who can’t micro the side of a barn
The 2nd 5 year can be done but it’s very difficult. There are guides in the discord chat for those interested.
Which discord?
>there are discord troons unironically spending their life making overdetailed guides for such pointless bullshit
jesus christ what a sad life that must be
@@mrttripz3236 i imagine is the mods discord page but im not sure
@@mrttripz3236 A little late, but in Black Ice discord.
It's not very complicated, really. It's harder to complete the plan while trying to research military doctrines before the purges.
As if Christmas couldn’t get any better that guy from college posted
It's over now :(
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@@domowomo2125
Its joeover.
Thank you for enduring this pain for us.
If you want to experience further pain though, try a minor allied nation in black ice (e. g. Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Greece)
Playing a really fun and realistic mod is pain? Yeah, go back to Fortnite please.
@@iegoriasynetskyi1003 What do you specifically mean by saying go back to Fortnite? I am not sure if I can follow.
@@iegoriasynetskyi1003this mod stinks
@@SweetBell3 Thank you for clarifying that you can't appreciate anything that requires a bit of intellectual input. I appreciate it.
During the war with Germany, you were basically RP'ing as the vanilla Soviet AI
Black Ice adding depth and more content to base hoi4 is certainly appreciated but the overwhelmingly bloated mess of decisions and micros just drives people away imo.
True the normal game is hard enough and Black Ice made it look like you need a degree in Hoi4 to even understand what’s happening😭
Black ice, the millennium dawn of ww2
@@rhysturner7922 ok ill be real millennium dawn is nowhere NEAR as complicated as bice
@@AlterExo_ millennium dawn is unplayable cause it's slow, confusing etc etc, black ice just has too many events and pop ups and etc, in my experience same but different
You should check out Black Ice for HoI3, it's even worse in that regard >:3
the idea of the allies leaving hitler disconnected territory in munich and the danzig corridor and letting him rule as a vassal state while they annex everything else in germany is fkn hilarious
Napoleon in Elba moment
"Have your fucking danzig"
so realistic that germany somehow has bigger war economy than soviets does,or enough oil to get anywhere after 1941
College messed with production difficulty at the beginning...
@@leviticus2001 not really, i played bice soviets and you cant outprouduce germans no matter what, they can shit like thoushends of planes and without air superiority (or at least netural) you cant do shit
@@Ursus30 Okay, but he did in fact mess with the production of other countries at the beginning, even if a little bit.
Tbf Germany irl had a larger economy than the Soviet Unions, its just Nazis are dogshit at economic management, and communists are really good at it.
90+% of soviet vehicles excluding tanks were made in the US (who also had to send 15 million pairs of boots to the soviets during the war) like 2/3 of their refined airplane fuel, etc came from the US. Just to give a few examples
So the Soviets needing lend lease to win is certainly historical.
"Most realistic mod."
>Look inside
>OP Axis
Well i mean i played as the Axis and they are definetly not OP
@@justusP9101 The Axis taking Moscow by October isn't OP?
@@unofficial_computeraxis still lost no ?
@@Sathornetfire That is true. I cannot deny that.
i think its less "germany op" and more "playing this game as a human is difficult compared to the ai" lol
This is the first video I've seen that makes this mod look at least somewhat approachable, great job.
siema stary pozdro
Are you telling me that this highly detailed historical mod does not have historical peace deals?
If I went through six hours of hell just to see that bordergore I would throw the PC out the window
It strangely doesn’t have a Finnish focus tree despite minors that get eaten having them. But they had the time to do a resource rework
If you didn’t know, the reason you lose your army debuffs bonuses in 1943 is because that’s when Stalin began giving his generals more control over military strategy.
Not really it was more in 42 than 43
No
Nope, that was the case in 1941 already
@@dwarow2508 more like 1942 and ready for Stalingrad
@@mariano98ify Nope, in 1941 the Soviets already stalled the largest invasion in human history and drove the Germans up to 200 - 300km west.
Isn't it funny how in all of those "realism mods" always give Germany a much larger economy and especially war economy than the USSR? Even though IRL a single tank factory in the Urals produced almost as many tanks as all of Germany did...
i can never tell if its because the game is filled with wehraboos or to give germany a chance
@@MacronsKitten I am just as confused as well
or acting as if germany never runs out of fuel,lacking consideration for logistical lines and effectiveness of soviet partisans in destroying german logistics
@@justarandompersonininterne6583 YES, World Ablaze is really wild in this regard. Germany can easily field 100k trucks SIMOUTLAINIOUSLY by 1940 while the USA or the USSR struggle to even get to 40k
Because in this game it's not possible to simulate the way Germans advanced into Soviet union. The AI can't do encirclements. If Germany was economically weaker then it would stand no chance.
Maybe now black ice developers will realize what we are saying on discord to them. USSR needs big buffs.
Soviets in this mod are having it harder than the real ones.
They really do. I'd hesitate calling it the "most realistic mod", because like all of HoI, they have to make the Germans way more powerful to balance the game. In RL, the German attack on the Soviets was just delusional and the logistics officers in the Wehrmacht tasked with planning Barbarossa even warned their higher ups that this was basically a doomed endeavour based on mistaken assumptions.
@@olenickel6013 Germans could enter Moscow unopposed in October. Soviets literally had no divisions to put in front of Moscow. The mud season is the only reason Germans couldn't advance. It gave Soviets enough time to raise new armies.
It's literally a miracle that Soviets prevailed. I believe that Americans used their technology to change weather. Roosevelt was a satanic communist
I think many of these mods also give or even exacarbate many of the failings on the allied/soviet side (things like the great purges), while not modelling any of the fundamental shortcomings that in the long/median term absolutely doomed Germany, like the state of the economy, crippling lack of food and crippling lack of fuel. To the point where leadership of the Wehrmacht was pushing to de-motorise the already heavily horse-reliant force due to a lack of fuel that they had no real good idea on how to address. The whole Stalingrad campaign was meant to secure oil fields in the Caucasus, but was imo delusional as even if they got them, they would not find any infrastructure intact and anything left would be bombed into ruin, not to mention the difficulty of maintaining such a long supply line.
By late 1941, after the failure of the initial plan, a lot of figures in Germany already knew that the effort was pretty much doomed, and I believe they even expressed this directly to Hitler. And yeah some logisticians (like I believe Thomas?) probably knew from the get go that it was going to be a mess.@@olenickel6013
@@olenickel6013 Literally facts. All of these "historical" mods seem to neglect the fact that the Soviets won???
@@olenickel6013 What was delusional is the approach and preparations, the fight and the plan (as long as we stick to the Hitler and strategic side of things, which lost in favor of the other way) were fine and things were going perfectly normal. Both the germans and the soviets didn't have flaws as far as soldiers and warring went, just like the Allies.
Expecting success out of it? And this is mainly because of the presence of the Allies and their supplies, but no. They weren't going to make the soviets crumble for good or defeat them that significantly. Just like - for the Axis side - WW2 in general, many things had to go well for success to happen. A scenario with the UK backing down and signing peace would've been a huge step, but anyway just with very few certain scenarios you would've seen the UK actually do that, especially with Churchill being there and pushing.
In real life, from 1943 and on, the battle was still on (in 1945 it was mainly a struggle, although tough and energized to the end) but hopes of victory wouldn't have materialized regardless. Let alone with the Allies actually bringing new fronts wrought on, very close to Germany, european ground. You're right that they were simply doomed.
Thank you for working, posting, doing this video and Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays.
15:34 that’s surprisingly close to reality, USSR had around 10 million military casualties at the end of the war and germany ~5,7 million
A majority of soviet casualties were civilian
A guy from Austria in Germany, a guy from Georgia in Russia and that guy from college in CZcams
"Attack, run out of supplies, get counterattacked, get overrun and contemplate what other things I could have been doing with my life."
The literal best description of the real life eastern front there could be.
Oh damn, I haven't tried Black Ice but I've done World Ablaze so I can closely imagine. HOW MUCH PAIN YOU ARE IN WHILE DOING THIS!
i played world alaze and it was so easy one of the easiest mods almost as easy as vanilla not really a struggle you probably struggle with it because you are not really in IRL experienced with the war and i've commanded a lot of war and army into victory IRL so i know whajt im talking about and doing so maybe thats why so easy for me and hard for you people.
@@Johngamer2418🤓☝️
maybe respect your elders @@Dafty2k
@@Johngamer2418 Sure kiddo
@@Johngamer2418 same here. im a retired dictator and its so easy for me to win these games
Player: I've played HoI4, I'd be an excellent general.
Black Ice: Bet.
Bro almost became the West Russian Revolutionary Front
Merry Christmas, hope everyone is doing well!
God, this mod has to be the worst offender of “hard for no reason”. Horrid UI, unnecessary resource system, and unrealistic Soviet playthrough.
Massive kudos for managing to navigate that noise
No no, the problem is quite the opposite, namely that the Soviet playthrough is VERY realistic.
@@MajinOthinus if after 1943 or 1944 a soviet union is struggling it is a trash build (bad industry or division templates) or the mod is unrealistic
@@MajinOthinus No it isn't only people who actively fall for tge post nazi propaganda actually believe this
@@MajinOthinus Ah yes the mod is very realistic. In real life the Wehrmatch was at 71% operational capacity in *1941*. After that the soviets rolled the germans left, right and center. Quit your ideological bias and SNAP BACK TO REALITY.
@@chonkyseal9312 Was that supposed to be witty?
Anyway, sure the Soviets rolled (not the Germans though), so hard that in 1942, multiple Soviet fronts got crushed, in a matter of weeks by the German advance to the Caucasus. Must have gotten the direction wrong I suppose; it happens to the best of us~
editing went hard in this one good job man
Damn thanks Santa College. A video on Christmas? Didn’t see this coming.
The more I hear about how difficult black ice is the more I wanted to try it.
Unfortunately, the mod doesn't work properly on my laptop which sucks
Western games, designers, and modders, inevitably de-buff the Soviet Union vis-a-vis historical performance. Even those interested in "realism."
This guy lowkey the only person i still enjoy watching playing hoi4
Was just thinking this
5:53 never thought I’d see it but, TOP SECRET MENTIONED!!!Awesome movie collage 😂
BICE has certain unit spawns set off by default in the options. If you turn them on there should be more spawnable units (never played without this on so idk).
Not sure how this works out but one of the BICE mods (can’t remember if for HOI3 or HOI4, I think 4) had spawn waves for defense of Moscow for the AI.
Collage i love your videos xD they are not just funny but also made really good
I am pretty sure they will get equipment ones you unpause, it the same in millenium dawn.
Wasn't black ice but I once played a HOI4 MP game as the USSR. I joined around 1937. The previous player didn't do anything regarding the purge, had *insane* plans for production (full mech), and I had never even played the USSR before.
Long story short I was working with around -40% modifiers in combat if I remember right.
There was a long of crazy stuff that game (like the Allies breaking up and merging into the Comitern and Axis) and war kicking off early but basically...the end result was a Europe under the red sword of the USSR despite the casualties and massive debuffs. (Let's ignore the fact that the country is about to fall apart however). So yeah I get the vibes of pain from this video.
Transports were so broken too. *Somehow moves like 200k Soviets to fight in France...then moves them to Spain...then moves them to Yugoslavia*
tbf i remember complaining about the spawn ins in the twitch chat
Didn't tommy did a run and rage about it because to continue the important focus require to lose a certain amount of troops
I think that was a different mod.
I think that was world ablaze
Probably that
4th best Christmas present, thanks University Man.
this shit slaps hard.
I really like the mix between relaxed narration and some comedic relief :)
YES!!! Best gift ever was this Gem of a video
You didn’t win, you survived
Great Bro I Just Subscribed To Your Channel Keep Up With This Kind Of Videos 👍👍👍👍
Amazing video mate , keep it up
Merry Christmas dude! Playing hoi4 myself lmao thanks for the content definitely a great present.
college the type of youtuber that you know its a good video before even watching
by the title, i thought you played world ablaze 😁
another very cool staxis mod
i get they tried to railroad to historical progression, but man, Soviets barely get anything cool to play with, case in point those empty tank corps. I was infuriated when I finally spawned those in thinking I could at least pull some winter offensives to stabilize the frontline, but it ended draining my reserves instead.
Germany has unit spawns that don’t come fully equipped either. All of the German panzer and motorized spawns start at around 10-20%
I think the mistake, as you mentioned, has been unable to relocate industries which made you struggle so much being unable to supply troops. Thanks for your sacrifice though, I will keep this in mind as I am playing the Soviet in blackice mod! There is never greater sacrifice than someone else's! (or I will probably play different easier mod if it gets tough XD)
College finally getting the views he deserves, another banger
I need a vod version of this
Now that you've done Black-Ice Soviets I think you're prepared to play World Ablaze Soviets
it's impossible
If you like suffering as the USSR in a mod, try Hearts of Oak, only works in 1.10.8, but they released a seperate updated version which still works
Before even watching the video I already know this must be absolute pain.
First Edit: Halfway through seems like pain is at all time max
I love BI, but it is type of mode, where you play on 3 speed max, and spend more time on pause than without it.
Another good video College! Now try the most realistic mod whilst playing Moldova hahaha please play moldova
Omg I’m immortalized in a ThatGuyFromCollege video
You should try World Ablaze, its even herder for the soviets
I think the ultimate ww2 experience is playing as Germany in Darkest Hour(hoi2) with world in flames mod. Simply amazing for anyone who needs some historical realism.
Wait, does BlackIce do a vanilla and give Germany extreme buffs, but take it to the next level?
Also, when you are going to play as the changellings in EAW ? Heard that they require heavy dose of micromanage....and fighting the entire continent by yourself :)
That PVZ letter at the starts already made me laugh.
Bro did worse than the actual soviet union yet had prior knowledge of the war and even prepared his units for it
It's almost like the mod is really stacked against the Soviets
@@guyfromcollegenot very realistic then, is it?
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>most realistic mod
>black ice
Yeah…. Until you look at how strong the SS units are in black ice, in comparison to how most of those units actually performed irl
i hate that I'm going to show my age, but i remember watching that episode of ed edd and eddy before it was a rerun lol good show thank you collage.
ps in the words of bo having fun collage.
[ DRAMATIC REENACTMENT ]
Holy shit if this were me I would've developed a major headache and suicidal thoughts lol. I'm too pedantic to let shit go incomplete and underprepared.
It is only when I heard Braun was with you that I realized that you’re College from the Bokoen1 videos
i palyed this mod for the first time ever today and i beated germany so easy they declare on me in the 41 and i capitulate them 42, they 11 milion casualty and soviet only 586k, i am actually a retire field marshal IRL so maybe thats why I so easy for me.
Sure Field marshal John gamer
@@kianvandenberg6364 I believe him
I call bullshit
i have been called worse by my enemies@@uhhhprussia
origin of the scene with the kid going thats me
Freaked (1993)
A to Z black ice series when?
This is the final part of the Black Ice trilogy
@@guyfromcollege No france and Uk
Your use of memes is IDEAL
10:25 LOL that meme was spot on
World
Ablaze
just wait until you hear about the occult holy book, known as hoi 3 black ice 11.3
Christmas miracle has arrived!!
College is the real Santa🥺
VIDEO GO CRAZY
what division templates do you use for BICE?
Babe wake up college uploaded
I really wish there was an _Uber_ mod for HoI4. How cool would it be to play a WWII superhero horror visual novel?
Hardest part of Black Ices is running the game after 1940. (Took 1 year per 1 real life hour)
when you gonna play world ablaze mod please
Black Ice is how hoi4 should have been
I hope you do well
Can you give us the mod link so we can try it out ourselves?
Consider this side of the barn micro'ed
"Difficulty"
Translating
"The AI cheats"
Maybe Poland on Blackice? That would be interesting 😊
Or italy
@@jaksamadera4421 getting spit roasted or getting fucked
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İ download the mod and add to playlist then enable it and finally open the game just to open rhe vanilla ? Ah hell nah how the hell am i gonna fix this ?
you sound like Bittersteel's long lost twin brother
can the black ice devs have a mandatory 1 speed update please please 🙏
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Does this mod still have the schizo himmler focuses for Germany? They had some ark of the covenant stuff at one point lol
5:54 nah bruh what is this clip ☠️
Guys what's the mod name? Also the best video ever
"most realistic mod"