The Ending of Attack on Titan is Terrible, and I've Wasted My Life
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- Imagine avoiding manga spoilers for 2 years for this to be the ending 💀
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0:00 I Used to LOVE Attack on Titan!
1:46 Eren LOVES his Sister!
4:18 Eren & Armin LOVE Murder!
7:41 Ymir LOVES King Fritz!
12:20 Eren LOVES His Mother!
13:58 Isayama LOVES Not Explaining Anything!
15:15 Isayama LOVES Character Assassination!
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Eren "I fight until 80 percent of my enemies are dead" Yeager.
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It's crazy how it takes one short conversation to make armin go from risking his life to prevent genocide to supporting it. In the manga he literally thanks eren for the rumbling. If Armin wants an empty planet so badly that he's willing to go to hell for it, then why is he even trying to stop the rumbling in the first place?
Edit: People in the comments are pointing out that an alternative interpretation is that Armin didn't want the rumbling to occur and is taking responsibility because he thinks it's his fault for showing Eren his book and for helping Eren in some battles. I still think this interpretation is stupid. If Armin didn't help Eren at Marley then all the Eldians would have died when Marley obtained the founder. That's why he helped. He didn't know that Eren would go on to become a mass murderer. He has little reason to blame himself, which is why I think Armin is saying he will go to hell with Eren not because he blames himself, but because deep down he wants the Earth to be empty as he states in the finale. Of course nothing is clear and everything is open to interpretation, but I think all interpretations are stupid.
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Also, if Eren can time travel to control titans like the one that killed his mom, then wasnt Eren invincible the entire series? What are the limits to time travel titan control?
People defend Ymir by saying she has Stockholm syndrome, and if that's true it's the worst depiction of Stockholm syndrome I've ever seen. In order for Stockholm syndrome to appear the captor has to have some redeemable qualities and be shown to care or be nice to the person they captured. Fritz is never shown to have a single redeemable quality, so I don't believe that Ymir can love him. Here's a good video from a psych major explaining why Ymir Stockholm syndrome doesn't make sense. czcams.com/video/P5aPEnzHHKY/video.html
This is an excerpt from a recent interview with Isayama:
There’s a much-talked-about scene where Armin, who is struggling with Eren’s turn into a mass murderer, seems to thank him for his actions. Can you talk about the meaning behind that conversation?
My thinking there wasn’t really that Armin was trying to push Eren away for the sake of justice or whatnot. It was more that he wanted to, in a sense, take joint responsibility. He wanted to become an accomplice. In order to become an accomplice, Armin had to make sure that he used very strong wording so that he could take those sins upon himself. And so that was the intent behind it.
The reason he changed it was not to retcon, but because he didn’t make his intentions clear enough in the manga. He says it himself
@@owenfuertes8236 he became jesus
Cucren Yogurt is the worst shonen MC of all time! 💯🗑 soy
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I hate this ending. I'm here to give you the reasons why. If you want to you can go hate on me inside my profile page, I'm not here to appease the fanboys. I want to provide my opinion on this, this is not a hate piece on Attack on Titan just the ending please let me be clear this bad ending does not ruin the show for me and should not ruin the show for others however it is bittersweet. This is not a Game of Thrones Season 8 situation where one season ruins the entire show it's just these last 10 chapters.
"No I don't want that! Mikasa finding another man?! I want her to think about me and no one else for the rest of her life! Even after I die...I want her to be hung up on me for a while! Ten years at least!" This is actual dialogue from the show now I'm no expert in romance my pyscho mentally insane first wife left me in about a year after getting together. I'm still depressed does this ruin my credibility on making rationale critical reviews perhaps. But goddamn, in all the time Eren had he never had a care in the world for any romance with Mikasa. She has made repeated advances since they were children even after learning he had 13 years to live for a damn long time, this man still did not care. I get the author wanted to play into the EreMikasa fandom (even though Historia and Eren is a way better couple and isn't i*c*st and yes banging your adopted siblings is i*c*st get over it you miscreants). The dialogue is terrible and makes no sense. Maybe Isayama was voicing his own opinions on this kind of thing ( I relate heavily) but it’s so out of left field and makes no damn sense. Now he's worried about being cucked? You never even kissed her ffs. Now that we've taken a look at Eren let's analyze some other major let downs. Mikasa being able to free Ymir by killing Eren due to Ymir loving her rapist genocidal p*d*p**** husband so much so that she wanted to kill herself but still serve him after she died? Fine. But how is this incredibly shocking and heavy plot development portrayed to us? It's hard to believe, but The Founder Ymir was in love with Karl Fritz. That's why Ymir's restriction has persisted for the last 2000 years. With no additional context of how such a contrived situation developed. What an asspull. In all fairness maybe this plot point deserves a pass because of the Stockholm syndrome Ymir gained from being with her husband from the time of 10.
Armin wanting to express his condemnation of Eren's actions while also reassuring him as a friend? Fine. But how is this incredibly complex series of statements and emotions shown to us? Eren. Thank you. You became a mass murderer for our sake. This is genocide apologia. He made a quote on quote terrible mistake HE KILLED BILLIONS and wiped 80% of the Earth wtf. YEAH GREAT BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW ELDIA WAS TURNED TO RUBBLE LATER WHAT WAS THE POINT IN STOPPING EREN?. Some other picks: Jean and his fellow corps having extremely emotional goodbyes only to become titans for a a few days only to be then instantly reverted back as if nothing happened. Yelena literally vanishing from the story this is not a case of Araki forgot which is an urban legend the great Hirohiko Araki would never forget Isayama would. Falco being able to fly and save the alliance just because of a memory. The alliance managing to fend off an assault by dozens of organized titan shifters with the only casualty being Levi's leg with unlimited thunder spears and gas for assurance.
Again I would like to reiterate my thank you to Isayama for all the hard work and great storytelling he made for the first 130 chapters of AOT the ending was terrible and I am allowed to say that. AOT is still one of the best anime in existence but the ending was bad.
Attack on Titan’s true genre was a NTR romcom after all…
What doed NTR mesn?
@@Lumiglebasically a term used in porn for abusers i think
Summed up the entire series in a single sentence, brilliant. Isayama really made a series about conflict and complex themes into a NTR romcom. Isayama, what a clown you are.
@@Lumiglentr means cuckold.
haha exactly , its basically isayama who wanted to give fan girls some romance whilst ruining everything else.
The eren loving mikasa thing is definitely a payoff for the shippers and fan service since the author never probably intended for them to fall in love he just squeezed it in a scene.
And by the way, I don't even understand how the shippers can be happy about this
Like all they got is mikasa kissing eren severed head while her stalker stares at her (wtf was that shot) and one weird dream sequences where both eren and mikasa get butchered showing that if they ever come clean about their feelings they would have just abandoned their friends to die
Like wtf?
I meant when he confessed his love totally out of character in order to make it canon overtly@@randomusername3873
@@randomusername3873yeah i don't get how they get happy too. Maybe they get happy because of that dream scene and the kiss scene but apparently mikasa moved on and had another family. So how in hell did they get satisfied with that?
This, this is why I hate this anime/manga story cause of this forceful story writing shit. Mikasa and Eren's relationship is not a love story, it is a sexual mindcontrol fantasy. The same case with Ymir and Fritz. There is no reason for Ymir to fall in love with him nor the proper development tree to follow on with such conclusion.
Eren does love Mikasa you have to remember he see his hole life all in repeating all the time he says it to armen he had to push them away so they would stop him he released what Mikasa has done for him and he wants to be with her but he can't do that if he wants his friends to live on
The true meaning of Aot is that women love abusers, maniacs and warlords.
Now I understand why Koreans hate this show.
Bro Historia fell in love with a random farmer who throw rocks at her when they were little
This is the reason for the cycle of violence both in our own world and in AoT lol
@@junfour In real life? What are you smoking?
@@TheDon266 I've seen it play out many times.
Eren calmly tells Armin he killed 80% of the world but cries thinking about Mikasa finding another man. that’s the worst part to me
2:05 You must not be familiar with the concept of detachment. Eren was not calm when he was telling Armin that he massacred 80% of humanity. He was detached.
@@angelchavez4245 cope
@@NotMadaraaa ?
"NOO! I don't want that! Mikasa finding another man!? I want her to think about me and no one else for the rest of her life! Even after I die I want her to be hung up on me for a while! Ten Years at least!!!"
"Thank you Eren... for becoming a mass murderer for our sake!"
"See you in hell lol! /hug"
"Eren.. what a man you are!"
I don't see the problem. AoT was a comedy and no one knew, you just got to take it for what it is and laugh!
But seriously though, when I read the manga I legit thought someone edited all the lines for the last volume as a prank.
I mean, ur saying like its a joke? pfff baggy sama would be disappointed ngl...
Humans acting like Humans was a theme throughout the show. At the End, people hoped for a godlike messiahs and got a human instead.
This is why some people hate Attack on Titan, its actually to real.
@@TheBlackfall234 It's not actually real and no ones was expecting a messiah ending??? Why you ending defenders like to repeat that so much??? It is that it made no sense and that it was contradicting what was previously established in previous episodes starting from eren all of sudden saying he was in love with mikasa when he really didn't and was mostly indifferent towards her. Ymir all of the sudden loving king fring although she attempted to escape various time before. The worm thing came out of nowhere with barely explanation at all of how it came to be other than to give ymir titan powers and that as far as it got. Then there are other ending defenders saying that people wanted an edgier ending. Regardless, symbolism and theme does not excuse bad execution and events contradicting one and another.
@@kyordannydelvalle523 Because that is in fact what you people expected. Otherwise it makes no sense that you hate the ending for Humans acting like Humans.
I cant see any contradiction at all.
Ymir attempted to escape various times from fritz ? What ? This alone proofs, that you didnt pay enough attention to the show it seems.
Eren was mostly indifferent towards Mikasa ? Another crap take, with no base in reality whatsoever. Maybe you just rewatch the series.
@@TheBlackfall234 When i said indifferent is that he never loved mikasa romantically. Where the heck does he shows romantic feelings or even though of her that way besides the ending and ymir never showed interest toward the king until the ending. So that it is excuse because it says so in ending although previous episode indicate another thing??? Where is the lie he have romantic ventures in his thought??? Base on reality, bro this series is not grounded reality. A worm gave ymir her power for god sakes which barely was explored or explained and the origin simply was king fring killed her and then fall on the water and then a worm appeared out of nowhere, revived her and gave her titan powers. Again, ymir never showed interest in king fring only to the final episode says she was in love with him. Additionally, the thing that ymir needed mikasa to get over eren by seeing her killed him is beyond stupid. A show that did better show reality was the wire. Again, people didn't want a messiah ending, you invented that??? It simply that it is contradicting previous events.
Saying mikasa was the chosen liberator of ymir made me lose it
Watching mikasa die alone made me empty inside eren got his selfish wish.
Mikasa became Arya Stark who killed the night king or Bran the "Who has better story" broken who became king in the end.
@@thered4048She married Jean and had kids lmao
@@jimmy3261 source? Trust me bro?
You can make guesses as to what happened in post credits but she could also not be married to the guy, and the kid could also not be hers. Its possible, and she gets burried next to him in the end, not her husband.
@@thered4048Yeah it's literal headcanon from Titanfolk. She has a husband, but still gets buried beside Eren? With the scarf? Idk that really doesn't make much sense tbh. At that point she'd be married to him far longer then Eren.
Like i don't care about her moving on eventually or whatever, but with the themes of the ending and what I just said it really makes 0 sense.
Eren killed his mother to save Reiner's mother, Annie's father 🤡
Eren: Reiner, why my mother got killed that day?
Reiner: idk bro, you tell me
😂
Man fuck this ending
This is messed up 💀
😂😂
If u look at it yes eren father n brother had thentitan curse but eren actions more or less leads to death and bad out comes to everyone hes blood related to even his grandparents
How can people praise the ending and call the story a "masterpiece" is honestly mind boggling.
I guess only Ymir knows...
Sometimes people like to just enjoy things. Idk, crazy how people do that these days.
@@JC_Stonehe's not saying you can't enjoy it, only that it is amazing how people could claim this was a good ending (hell I like the Sharknado movies but I would never claim they are a masterpiece)
@@JC_Stone Yeah, too bad they enjoy it the wrong way for the wrong reasons.
cause the ending is litterally already there in the 1st mins of the 1st episode. . . .and isayama said, i already have the ending decided and people will not like it but i wont change it
@@StumbIingforward ''To be fair, you need a really high IQ to understand Attack on Titan...''
All of us mere mortals need time to comprehend intricate lines like ''I'm just an idiot'' or ''I don't know why I did it''. 10 years at least!🤡🤡
I'm not into ship wars but clearly Historia is the most logical heroine of this story. people can't deny that Eren had shown more feelings for her than Mikasa.
as will has a similar life as Ymir and depiction yet different too
@@devinomatsu2444 I really don't know how Mikasa became an integral character to the story after hearing her say eren for a decade. I could've accepted that ending if atleast they gave Mikasa a well written dialogue/non action screentime/her own arc.
@@justsomeguythatwantssometh9986
Isayama shoehorned Mikasa using his headaches she had in multiple times.
I'm pretty sure this headaches had other meaning but he wanted to make an Eremika ending soooo xD
Do people actually think Eren should be with Historia? This just seems like manga reader fanfic that somehow got turned into "canon". Honestly, he shouldn't be with anyone imo.
the fanfic was with Mikasa 2 it EreHisu would makes Thematically and logically seeing as the Rumbling was Said by her first (that Humanity Should be wiped out by Titans) @@No-wf1ub
eren kill his mother for sake of his friends like wtf
Wait you’re right
He could’ve just started the Rumbling at any time
I hope the conclusion of Attack on Titan is similar to the Breaking Bad finale.@@justsomeguy6336
Yup when u put it that way that's dumb. Time travel is so dumb, thanks southpark panderverse lol
He kills his mom to give start to his hatred for titans and make his younger self join the scouts to then discover the truth
Anime-Onlies being tricked into liking the ending because of a sad song and a pretty girl sitting in a tree lol 100% this ending won't age well in their minds.
It can't age well because if you were to take into account what Feeble King says about how Eren and Armin being pro mass murder and Eren ultimately being allowed a burial despite it being wrong to do so, you'll quickly realize it's just glorifying mass murder and not actually saying that it's wrong.
it's so crazy how isayama turned a story about war and liberation from oppression into a cringey love story and decided to portray Mikasa as "the chosen one".... like what the fuck lmao. Also how come no one mentions Mikasa's ridiculously stupid Azumabito marking crap? That shit seemed so random and pointless.
Just to please the eren and mikasa shippers lmaoo
It was such an amazing buildup. The anime becomes a completely different show when season 4 starts. At the start it was fine as it still focused on oppression. But it literally pulled this stupid “romance” out of no where and made the rumbling and everything a fucking side plot. I’m still asking myself what the fuck happened with the show we started?
Love how that marking got introduced as this cool little mystery, only to go exactly fucking nowhere.
Anything to make Mikasa less one-dimensional - if only there were other ways to do that...
I think it can only be understood under the pretext of Iseyama being a complete doomer and rather misanthropic.
It was a cheap way to elevate her to historia status to equalize the erestoria shippers or and erekasa shippers definitely imo and also try to give her like a more important status since she was always just an eren simp and bodyguard
The GOT of anime.
Except the vast majority liked AoT's ending.
Can't say the same for GoT's 4.0/10 finale 🤡
You probably think GoT season 6 is the best 🤡
@@dextoppableAoT’s fandom (and most anime fandoms in general) are extremely insecure about any criticisms thrown their way to the point where they try SO hard to gatekeep it’s once great reputation.
@@jimmy3261 No need to "gatekeep" it's already great reputation with the masses and general public, every major TV and anime website already has AoT amongst their highest rated series.
Seems to me you're the one extremely insecure over the overwhelmingly positive reception to the final arc 🤭
@@jimmy3261armchair psychology over liking an anime
Eren saying “I just wanted to” was hilariously bad 😂
I mean that is one of the major reason why he did it. After everything he's been through and his own belief on freedom, of course he would want to do it. It's like Reiner when he continued the attack on the Eldians even though he knew they weren't devil, at their core it's for their own selfish reasons.
@@lioheart55 Great observation
@@lioheart55yea that’s great and everything. But “I just wanted to do it” is a clear why of saying “I did it but I’m confused as to why I did it.” Eren has convictions. He believes that every person is special and has a right to be free as soon as they are born. But the sad thing is he never said this in paths with armin. Instead he calls himself an “ordinary idiot.” Another sad thing is that he must take life in order to have that freedom because Tybur and the outside world alienated them. THIS is what he should be crying about. The cruel world made him into a monster. Instead he cries of mikasa forgetting about him lmao. This is poor writing and I cannot believe people blatantly go out of their way to ignore these things which by the way are RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM.
@@Vortex_ICEcold I don't think this ending is perfect by any means but him saying "I just wanted to do it" does fall in line with his character a bit. Throughout the series we have been told Eren is prone to act on emotion and impulse and has a strong desire to do something even if it is totally ridiculous. We also see glimpses of Eren especially through season 3 mention how he wants to eradicate all his enemies on the other side of the ocean. So yes he was doing it for "freedom" and for his friends to lead peaceful lives but ultimately he still wanted to do it because he wanted to eradicate his enemies aka the rest of humanity who hated eldia.
The problem is that even though technically the Rumbling would save his friends and provide temporary freedom, he's the only guy if given the founding powers to do something so extreme and idiotic such as genocide of everyone outside the walls, which is what Armin brings up in the conversation: "you can't have wars if there are no people? is this some sort of bad joke?".
Eren since season 1 has always been the guy to do something extreme or impulsive simply because he wanted to, and when given the powers of the Founding titan it's exactly what he does, as he's so obsessed with his own sense of what is right and wrong. This inevitably leads to his idiotic decision of the Rumbling, which is also what I believe he meant by when he said "Cz I'm an idiot."
My main problem with the ending mostly comes with Ymir and Mikasa like that was just kinda dumb to me lol
@@Ash-gf1fw he blatantly states he wanted his friends to be seen in the highest regard so no he did not want to exertminate EVERYONE. If he did say otherwise then it’s bad writing. Him wanting to do it does NOT align. If you go back zeke literally asks why do you want this violence to continue and even armin asks why did he ever want to see the outside world. And he RESPONDS “BECAUSE I WAS BORN INTO THIS WORLD.” He believes every human has the God given right to be free as soon as they enter the world and he also believes that this makes them special. This is his driving force behind what he does since the start and he pridefully says it. Not “I’m an ordinary idiot” or “I just wanted to do it, I don’t know why.” He has reasons. The writer forgot why. This is bad alignment and the buildup does not make any sense from season 1 if what you are saying is right. Seeing as how he built up a beautiful story about oppression and ruined it all just by forcing nonsensical romance at the very end which should’ve just been omitted, I am not surprised by the fact that the writer can’t bring back these ideas HE HIMSELF introduced in season 1. He’s made his money and I don’t think he really cares. His writing towards the end is a reflection of that. Stories can have their flaws (which aot does) but it takes effort to mess up a somewhat descent piece of writing this badly. It’s sad and it is what it is. But it’s time for me to move on to other shows.
The “I wanted her to pine for me for 10 years” is easily the most bizarre line I’ve heard in any show or movie
Everyone defending that and saying it's "understandable" like it isn't completely out of left field AND extremely selfish and messed up when he never told her he loved her if that were true. Even the lines were horrible. Like there was a way to convey he would miss Mikasa and be sad not to spend a life with her and they chose the worst way by him wishing she would mourn him and not move on for 10 freaking years. Leaving aside how stupid and pathetic he looked, it's just bad.
Y’all forget he’s still a teenager
It was worse in the manga
@@Ok-zf6ww a Teenager that never before in any near death moment said anything about her
@@MagiaBasederen was about to die twice in the series (early on when he got ate by a pure titan, and again in the crystal caves when he was willing to die) still never broke down and cried about Mikasa or being afraid to die
The author, Isayama, relies way too much on "shock value" and unnecessary plot twist. There has been a growing surge of writers trying to subvert the audience's expectations, so much so that it creates plot holes and inconsistencies in the process. Stories are best enjoyed when specific main plotlines are decipherable, and not a bundle of ideas mashed together without careful consideration on the execution. Which is why I find it dissatisfying to utilize fan theories to explain empty conclusions. Attack on Titan is Shonen, after all, so it's partly my fault for thinking critically on a media meant for teenagers.
Well done, you just described what makes AoT so good. A well thought out story filled to the brim with foreshadowing and keen attention to detail.
Isayama wipes the floor with 98% of modern Hollywood writers.
the thing is, thematically theres no real plot holes to AoT, and the characters and their motivations has remained consistent, the plot expanding its scope and focus only strengthens it. whatever plotholes are ultimately minor at best and completely subjective at worst
@@JeffPenaify not after the timeskip tho everything got retconned after that
@@earen_zzz nothing got retconned post time skip lmao
Not retconned exactly, but there's a massive jump in character development that is extremely unsatisfying because we never see any of it happen onscreen. Eren feels like a completely different person, his relationships with everyone have died out of nowhere and the story takes a sharp turn that feels jarring.
I'm not against the switch to political thriller, I quite like it actually. I even like Eren's arc, I just wish we'd seen more of it. The ending itself is unsatisfying as well, not a fitting ending to such an epic story and it doesn't wrap up all the philosophical ideas presented in the story well at all.@@JeffPenaify
It would have been much more impactful if Armin was forced to fight and kill Eren. If he stood by his own words of those who cannot sacrifice anything, cannot change anything. He would have to sacrifice his friendship with Eren and Eren himself in order to stand by his own beliefs and principals.
Also why the f did the rumbling stop when Zeke died???? I thought the royal blood was rendered irrelevant at the point when Eren convinced ymir she was capable of making her own choices and therefore was free to lend her power to whomever she chose. Aka Eren.
Only Ymir knows that one xD
Ymir just gave him another chance at life by giving him control of the founding titan and protected him later by spawning the previous 9 titans, but you still need royal blood to start the rumbling thats why he captured zeke just as he transformed
Yeah that entire scene “you’re free Ymir” was retconned entirely and also the fact that Ymir still built titans for the alliance. Also the wall titans should be able to move again and eat people regularly because in S2 the pastor said “don’t let sunlight hit them” implying they could move without being controlled
@@dantdmfangamingrich9802 He forgot xD
Yo this is a 100% true. I always thought that for the eren x Mikasa thing to work Mikasa should've chosen to join Eren and Armin would have to sacrifice them BOTH for the sake of humanity, as you said, sacrificing something to get something.
I was going to say that the rumbling stopped when zeke died bc he's the connection between eren and ymir but you're, again, a 100% right. If Ymir had decided to do the rumbling why isn't she continuing it on her own? 🤦🏾♀️ there's so much that doesn't make sense, like the worm dying when eren does. It should've been killed on camera and that should've been the end of the titans, not Mikasa kissing eren's head 😂😭 but well... 🧍🏽♀️
Eren Yeager: "I stomped 80% of civilization because I felt like it."
Hero... turned villain for no stupid reason. One of the biggest middle fingers in anime history...
I only watched a review of this season and this comment is just wrong you obviously didn't understand the motives of the characters in this show
For no stupid reason? did you watch aot from CZcams shorts? 💀💀
@@eiren4044Mass murder is stupid when there are other ways Eldians could achieve freedom. This is similar in real world where we view suicide bombers, terrorism as stupid killing innocent people for selfish reasons.
Eren didn't have to become a villain to show he cares for Eldians. Even Hange has moral compass and died fighting to stop genocide.
All it is is character assassination.
@@arvi8843 There is no other way. Did you not watch the show? Eren tried his best to find another but there wasn't. You can see that when he was talking to Hange in the basement, he asked her if there was a solution, because he saw the future and saw her death and was angry at himself for not being able to change what he saw (vision) And when Sasha died, he looked angry because he knew his visions of the future cannot be changed. In the end, when he was talking to Ramzi while crying and apologizing, he knew that only way was to commit genocide. And in the end he achieved freedom and peace for Eldians and everyone.
You gotta rewatch 3 times to understand everything in this story.
@@eiren4044 What do you mean there was no other way? The time travel was a "loop hole". Didn't you watch the show how he manipulated his father and also directed the titan to eventually killing his mom?
Didn't you watch the dialogue between him and Armin where he said "he don't know and he just feel like it". What the hell man.
If the author appeared to have Eren manipulated the past, then Eren can certainly done some other things to prevent a violent outcome. No but the author wanted to show "genocidal maniac" Eren instead of Eren having a redemption arc.
Utter bullcrap. Author should've stayed away from the time travel storyline and just made him see the past, not manipulate it.
When AOT was just about humans fighting a losing war against Titans just to get outside the wall this anime was a masterpiece.
Seasons 1-3 are goated, season 4 beginning was ok it could've been great if they stuck the landing but it was absolute horseshit.
Games of Thrones all over again 🤦♂️
nah season 4 was shit
Yep. I am going to pretend AOT ends in for when they were able to see the sea. When it became political and Eren and Jaegerists was turned into a character that reminds me of Islamic Extremist/Jihadists mindset, I end up not liking it. Not a fan of genocide route. Total disrespect to the values of Scout regimen/Survey corps.
@@arvi8843womp womp🤣🤣🤣
Isayama wrote a masterpiece story and characters just to assassinate them
At least Reiner and Floch true to the very end
Masterpiece? What?
@@Anaheim-Electronics79 yes a masterpiece!
@@dantdmfangamingrich9802only floch. Reiner got ruined by not having a completed redemption arc, thanking eren despite trying to stop him and sniffing a letter
@@dantdmfangamingrich9802 and erwin. basically any character that died prior to the rumbling arc
Finally I understand why I hated it. It was so disconnected from everything that came before. I think the author took so long that not only the audience but also the author himself forgot his own series. It felt like cheap sike stupid plot twists at every cut for no good reason! And I really hated the production too to be honest, it was too convoluted & messy! Like a 5 year old with ADHD put it together. And the dialogues didn't help as they came out of nowhere. Only thing good & logical that actually made sense was the actual ending during the credits. Rest all was garbage the way they executed it; even after teasing some good ideas here and there, it wasn't followed through properly.
It’s almost as if because of how the Paths work Eren’s mind at the end is at about the same state as a 5 year old with ADHD.
I thought the ackermans should be immune to the founders powers
He forgot
Yes, he forgot about that xD
Isayama is kind of forgot about that. None of ending defenders can explain that
I guess....Only ymir knows that one😂😂
Also if eren was just acting tough in the whole season 4 just to fool his friends then why was he still acting like that even in his inner monologues lol.......i guess it was to fool the audience?? ....so eren is now conscious of the audience ? What is he now freakin Deadpool 😂😂
I have forgotten the story after reading manga because i didn’t like the ending but can you explain me about this Ackermans should be immune to the founders powers?
There's no denying that the final episode is beautiful but none of that is gonna matter if the writing is good too but it's not. I do indeed agree with you that the pretty visuals are blinding people from the horrible writing of the ending.
uhm no, the animation is also pretty bad compared to the studio wit seasons. I'd recommend watching an analysis like "This video will change how you see Eren" by "invaderzz" or something of equal value
@@Lysergic25 NO!!! I'm not watching Invderzz!!. That guy does nothing but lie and put his head canon in the story. That guy say the most dumbest things ever when it comes to his thoughts on the ending. Hard pass!
@@damienlarson4145 Good god, what video did you even watch? You seem a bit too emotional about this topic tbh.
And just because someone has a different interpretation that shines a good light on the writing, doesn't mean it's "dumb" when it's well supported by literal facts and logic.
It sounds like you really want someone to enforce your opinion that it's "shit" instead of looking at it objectively and from different standpoints
@@Lysergic25 what video were you watching?! Invderzz makes up the most dumbest things like Eren was always a psychopath, Eren and Zeke started the declaration of war, determinism, taking the I was so disappointed scene out of context, etc. the guy doesn't tell the story correctly but instead he puts in his head canon into the thing and says that this is how the story goes. So no, I'm not taking your advice to watch this guy.
@@damienlarson4145 if you watch "This video will change how you see Eren" and think it's head cannon, YOU are the crazy one lol
but if you prefer to hate attack on titan and prefer to think the author is an idiot, go ahead.
New SeaTactics videos are also dumb in your opinion?
@3:24 I don't think Eren ever disliked Mikasa. When he did treat her with disdain, it was no worse or different than a brother getting annoyed at their sister. But Eren never saw Mikasa romantically in any way, I think that much most people would agree with until like the last 30 minutes of the anime. And somehow it was Mikasa and love conquers all that sets Ymir and Eren free was just so off and out of left field.
Still, if he had such strong feelings for her, and she had strong feelings for him, how the fuck didn’t they have anything? They lived together for years and saw each other everyday. Sure they were soldiers and had busy lives but still, one way or another they were gonna figure it out
You must haven’t watched season 1
@@jackdaw6978they're not that close, it's time to admit it. Eren had more chemistry with mf falco
@@t-ro6176where eren hit mikasa and yelled at her
@@annett5 go watch when the wall broke down a second time he literally head butted her and yelled at her then
my problem is that the message is just so forgettable. you mean to tell me after all this time, the best takeaway isayama could come up with is “war will always exist?” its like no duh. im getting sick of anime just being nihilistic for the sake of being nihilistic. its starting to become a cliche.
Yeah so ur left imagining that eren bought them freedom for maybe 100ys or so, and then what? That's it, that was the master plan? Doesn't seem like much of a success if he could see the future and all...
@@TheNotoriousNemo his motives are so dumb. okay so eren wants to be free from titan oppression and protect the island so he starts the rumbling. but wait theres more than that, he wants to rumble the world because of armin’s book, and he also cares about his friends and wants them to be happy. but in order to do that they have to kill him and end his freedom. but wait eren doesnt even know if they’ll even survive his onslaught. not to mention he purposely tried to make his two best friends hate him so they would pursue him no matter what! so sad! oh and eren has to kill his mom to motivate him to hate titans, even though he was always born that way in his own words! but WAIT its all like TOTALLY WORTH IT BECAUSE ymir can finally break free from the curse of love and mikasa can get over eren!! even if the island gets destroyed!!!! SO COOL AND DEEP AND PROFOUND. FULL FUCKING CORCLE
@@dev0hhWhen eren said "I don't know" and "I am an Idiot". I just like what? so you're telling me that you're manipulating your father to commit genocide on riess family because you're an idiot. You infiltrate Marley alone cause you're an idiot. In fact you're convincing the people of paradis and create Yeagerist cause you're an idiot. The whole rumbling doing alone is because he is an idiot. Like all of that foreshadowing and convincing plot. For what. It's just a waste of potential for me. Overall the ending is just mid. I don't hate nor dislike it as much as other people. There are some of my favourites in the series. But still I respect the legacy of the series.
based berserk fan. aots cynical nihilistic mesage will never compare to the message of hope and fighting against fate berserk gives us
@@theswagman1263facts. The problem is that aot did a bait and switch. The story was NEVER ever ever a nihilistic message. It was about “being born into this world” “if somebody oppressed you, fight back, how strong they are does not matter” “when we are born, all of us are free” “if somebody ever tries to take my freedom, I won’t hesitate to take theirs”
Isayama just capitulated to the fanfic shippers in the end. He wasn’t headstrong enough to write what he truly believed in: fighting against oppression for freedom and winning.
Fuck the cringelliance. Fuck the retcons. Fuck everybody. AoT ended when Eren bulldozed the fuck out of the cringevengers and went back home to live his life with his wife Historia and their child in the countryside, after appointing King Floch to the throne. Period.
Cringe ahh finale lmaoo
Historia is a lesbian and cry about it
That would not be a better ending
@@rugvedkulkarni1593 Yes it would
Seasons 1 - 3 "Let's sacrifice our lives in order for our glorious nation to survive."
Season 4 "Let's kill the majority of the world's population in order for them to despise our nation even more leaving no hope for any future survival."
Brainrot
there is no way you word it like that and think that that is actually the case 😂
Have you even watched the show? The entire world declared war on them and Paradis was on the edge of extinction. Eren knew that his friends would be seen as heroes if they kill him and his sacrifice would give them at least temporary peace, in order for them to live long lives. Obviously you cant justify genocide, but its not like he had a better option.
I dont expect you to love the ending but thats just bs.
exactly. plus eren was able to see the outcomes and saw that this one was the best for his close friends that he cared about@@emx8989
Well, your analysis of the Season 4 plot is only dumb with the idea of partially killing the world’s population. If he went 100% it makes a lot more sense.
@@emx8989 Eren doomed Paradis the moment he left any survivors in the outside world.
Eren had better options.
1. If he thinks genocide is bad then he should have let his nation be taken controlled of or possibly destroyed which would save at least 99% of the world's population compared to the true ending.
2. The most lore accurate ending is Eren killing the rest of the world. Throughout the series Eren has been killing every threat that not only harms his friends but Paradis as a whole. It's obvious that Eren has been fighting to provide a future for Paradis. Doing this ensures that his friends survive and the descendants of his friends and the citizens of Paradis will also survive.
You either go all the way or never go at all.
Can't believe all the massacre and suffering happened because one girl (Ymir) was in a toxic relationship (with the king).
That girl was just a little girl... She never developed on a psychological level...
@@Artsy_Akaz5748 yes she did, she literally lived for 2000 years. other titan shifters continue their psychological and physical development even after gaining their titan powers, why didnt she?
@@MuhammadIbrahim-vi1kn Accualy yumir had more than 2000 Years . She had billions of Years in that place to develop but she didnt
@@legendkiller7495 i know but its simpler to say 2000 for most people
All the character assassination happened with that time travel memory plot twist. Making all those high-stakes battles and character arcs seem like they were planned to a T. After that, I just treated this show like the Dragon Ball GT of the franchise.
well its kinda the contrary if u didnt like the ending because its ending was pretty good, goku ACTUALLY DIES!!!(he becomes a divinity, so thats why hes still alive)
lol even I prefer DBGT over this garbage r3t4rd ass ending
It’s the time travel/memory altering issue. To be able to see all memories of titans past and present is neat but to persuade them starts to diminish the value in every moment. I personally liked the ending and everything even after that part but I understand why the reviews on it are mixed.
Thank you for rubbing salt in the wound again.
I'm a huge fan and can't understand how others can't (or perhaps don't want to) see the problems with the ending on a logical and emotional level.
It's not even about the ending itself, but about the "why".
Compared to the whole, simply outstanding series, this ending seems like it was written by a beginner and never reviewed by an editor.
When a part of a story is so controversially discussed and dissected in order to somehow gain sovereignty of interpretation, it should be clear that the story has a problem at this point.
It's what happen to casual fans: they always trying to ignore the cold hard truth and just stay on the happier time they had before.......just like One Piece situation : The gear 5 is absolutely bullshyt which people claim that OP suppose to be comedy which they already forgot how awesome the scene of Akainu killing Ace before was. For AOT case, it's the worst as a bad ending can literally destroy the whole series as you watching the whole series just to get this kind of nonsense result......rewardless.... wasting time...... I'm fuxking piss off and dissapointed as AOT supposed to be the best of all time.....FUxk !!!!
@@WTKACE You have quite the audacity to call those who enjoyed the ending as "casual fans".
@@adriant240Enjoy the ending and whether the ending is good or not arr two totally different thing. You can enjoy the ending ,but still view it as a bad ending.
Based on the advancement of the story itself, there are tons of ways to produce a much better tragic ending for this series, yet Isayama purposely choose to use the lease favorite way to end it.....if you think that this is probably the best ending that can possibly happened, well good for you.
As for me : clearly there are way too many possible way to end it flawlessly. To see such a great series ending this way is really sad...as it was supposed to one of the greatest of all time.
@@WTKACE Yes, those who enjoyed the ending also think it was good. I never implied they didn't think it was good.
I wouldn't call his choice the least favourite way. I think he made some interesting creative decisions and there's a lot we can analyze and take from them. I don't think it was the best possible ending, but it was good and tied up a lot of things in the story. Only part I didn't like is where Eren kills his mom.
I'd like to hear you offer some of the better alternative endings you think were possible and I think I can point out why they aren't necessarily better or even worse.
Anime onlies are hype beasts tbh. As long as the majority of the series is competent, the ending doesn't really matter as long as it's emotionally resonant on a surface level.
The Final season of the anime ruined the whole show in my opinion. If I ever rewatch the show I'm just gonna have to pretend that the show was discontinued after the cast finally reached the beach.
I knew it was over when they introduced the time traveling bullshit.
Time travelling was there since s1
You thought it's time traveling? Bro you need to rewatch the whole show. You didn't understand it. Only the ending sucks otherwise everything is perfect
@@swadhinnno the timettravel is confusing and makes no sense
@@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz you really didn't understand it. Watch an CZcams explaination about AOT time travel. Trust me bro if you understand it once then you'll be like how can a human make something like AOT
@@swadhinn not perfect at all
i agree with you bro its a dumb ending
Shuuuut the helll uppp
@@savagebaloney385210/10 anime with a bad ending, cope with it
good ending bro its amazing@@ryanhickson6399
@@savagebaloney3852 Some of manga reader has said like you 2 years ago. Now they have already accepted this ending is a hot mess
@@savagebaloney3852cry harder
I do agree that Eren admit that he loves Mikasa without any proof is a waste of story
Only time Eren showed feelings for her was in the season 2 finale
tell me then, what was the point of the "mikasa what am i to you?" scene?
Saying that he will wrap the scarf as many times as she wants is a Japanese love confession (kokuhaku). There are small parts where Eren shows affection towards Mikasa, but they are small. He did love her but they're kids at war, and Eren is super focused on fighting back against their enemies. Eren just wasn't a romantic person to begin with and has other priorities.
@@bxtterfly008 The scarf was literally a symbol of Eren accepting Mikasa as his FAMILY. It goes against every romantical aspect whatsoever.
@@bxtterfly008 When that scene was created in the manga, Isayama said in an interview that Eren viewed Mikasa as a mother figure and it was a way to signify him accepting her as his family forever and that he would always protect her. It is NOT a love confession.
AoT is the GoT of anime.
Thing is, GoT's ending was a show-only, so its not really G.R.R.M's vision, whatever the fuck that is. Meanwhile, AoT is 100% Isayama behind the wheel.
Thing is, his vision is taking a lot of time to finish that book i wonder why @@Modeus.
Nowhere close. GOT has extreme good character writing aot doesn't compare. Aot is good at mystery and shock value. Berserk compares to GOT.
@@Alaa-gv6ks He has admitted that he wrote himself into a dead-end and now has problems progressing the story further the way he wants. That's a thousand times better than ignoring plot holes and rushing towards a horrible ending.
Game of Thrones all over again..
At least there are some people who have common sense
I read the manga and I hated the ending back then, and I hate it even more now. The more I thought about the retcons, character assassinations, nonsensical character motivations, etc., the more I realized I wasted years of my life. The same exact feelings I had when “Game of Thrones” ended. The entire journey in both series didn’t amount to anything at the end. It was all for nothing.
Horrible ending absolute waste !!
This is the worst ending of any anime ever
brain dead
this is the biggest cap in youtube comment history
The ending was terrible but this is a stretch lol
Terrible and Not satisfactory yes--
But worst ever?
Boy.. you must've watch anime based on popularity
0:59 its 100% this. The amazing animation, voice acting, and music distracts from the terrible plot.
I knew the ending was bad 2 years ago reading the manga and even I was amazed at how MAPPA went 200% on this finale! xD
It's normal people that is animeonly only focuses on the animation and emotions instead of the plot holes and conveniences.
Maybe in a couple of months they will start asking questions but I don't think so, honestly.
90% will say it's the best history ever told and Eremika forever xD
Ideology over thinking.. Thats why I am lonley an write many comments because like a quote from John Stuart Mill says: It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, is of a different opinion, it is only because they only know their own side of the question. @@Lumigle
The animation and directing imo is mid, but the music is pretty darn good. But i still liked how it ended. I feel like ppl like you say that to feel much more superior than ppl who disagree with you. You just cannot accept the fact that there are ppl who actually liked the ending (story wise ofc) lol
@@slvyc Dude, if this animation is mid I don't know what kind of animes you watch. XD
Considering the scaling of the fight, the hundreds of titans and the durartion of the episode, MAPPA did an incredible work.
I have never been a fan of 3D animation and I hated how they animated the fight against Eren and Lara in season 4 part 1, but they did an INCREDIBLE work in this final part.
I am okay with people liking the ending, if I put aside the conveniences and plotholes I can like this ending too xD
@@Lumigle Hey, i like it too lol, but its not super amazing and some parts look janky imo, and im not referring to the fight animation, but the background and motion directing as well.
But i still very much enjoyed the visuals. The thing that was most mid imo was just how some visuals were directed (i dont think its bad, just underwhelming for the finale of something like aot), and apart from that, it's pretty solid
Never even finished it. Story lost itself when final season started.
If you stopped watching before season 4 is a good way to watch SNK, it would be like an open ending
Sir, you have never lied. We would’ve been better off never hearing from Eren again once his head joined with the founder. His explanation for his actions were absurd! The story was very good, but he fumbled the ending. I can definitely rewatch the show. The terrible ending doesn’t ruin it for me.
The way Eren acted towards the end is exactly how anyone in their early twenties(22 years old at max) would have been like in their last moments. Eren was still fundamentally a kid.
Seeing the past, present, and future all at once at the same time, while he was actively working towards a timeline with the least amount of destruction so his friends would have a world within t Titans isn't just some minor weight to be carried on your shoulders.
Eren acted exactly as any normal person would if they were put in his shoes.
@@silversol8476 my main problem is with him saying “I wanted to see this sight” as his reason for causing the rumbling. That’s just awful. I respected him when he said it was the only way to protect the place he was born. But apparently he didn’t want to protect Paradis. He just wanted to see most of the world flattened because he’s a garden variety idiot being controlled by Ymir who was waiting for Mikasa for mysterious reasons and all of it was predetermined anyway. Nonsense. Still an amazing show, even though the ending is unsatisfactory to me.
@@AnimeAuntiethat reasoning doesnt even make sense when you really think about it. because even if armin hadn’t shown him that book, the colossal titan would have kicked the walls down and gotten his mom killed regardless. tying all of his motivations to armin’s book is just total character assassination and makes him look psychotic. isayama failed because he tried to make his motivations deep and profound, when really its as simple as “the world wants me dead and to revoke my right to freedom.” major fumble
I'm so glad some people are starting to open up their true opinions. This ending is so flawed and so many plot holes that weren't answered and so many characters getting character assassinated.
Why did Eren lead Dina Titan to murder his mom when his entire goal was to avenge his mom's death? This is the same guy that said “I’m an idiot”
True. That time travel manipulation story line is so unnecessary. It's like plot twist for the sake of plot twist. Maybe for shock value. But if Eren can manipulate events from the past, there could've been a path that does not lead to violence and death of some of his friends and mom. Stupid story line.
Yeah time travel is dumb, thanks southpark
I think Isayama just threw in that “Eren killed his mom” twist at the end for shock value, it makes no sense and adds nothing to the story, all it does is ruin Eren’s character even more.
Eren had to make Dina eat his mom specifically because it happened in the past and pushed things to how they are. It's literally the only way Eren can "see the view" and achieve "freedom". It's a paradox.
Think of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, the scene where the Gryphon is about to be executed. They only avoid that future because they changed the future, however they're only aware of that future because they warned themselves.
Everything happened because Eren Mom died, therefore in the future Eren would have to kill his mom because it's the only way for things to happen the way they did. It's a sort of inevitability. If Eren let his mom live, he wouldn't have the opportunity to let her live in the first place. It's a cause-effect loop that's pretty much a paradox
Are kidding me? You guys don't even get this part? No wonder you think the ending sucks.
"Armin liking mass murder isn't a plot twist, it's character assassination"
So on point! Author destroyed Eren and Armin's character in the last season.
I can rewatch AOT up until they found the sea only. Then all went downhill after that.
You completely missed the point. Armin thanked eren at the end because he showed him the absolute destruction of the planet. He was taking on the burden along with eren so he wouldn't shoulder all the guilt by himself.
he never even said that in the anime\
@@lazydaze6Even worst. Tolerating mass murderers is NOT Armin's character at all. Armin used to always stand for what's right. He was even guilty that he lived and not Erwin. Author portaying Eren as the victim and part hero here despite killing millions of people is epic failure.
Armin always excited as a kid to tell Eren about the outside world, talking about snows and deserts and now thank Eren for basically destroying the planet. Welp. 😂
@@arvi8843 it's really no use discussing with you. If you think Armin suddenly was pro genocide then you seriously lack critical thinking skills.
@@lazydaze6 That's what all say when they ran out of arguments. Attack the person they're talking with statements like "you lack critical thinking skills", "ending is so complex for you to understand". That does not even have substance. 😂
I didn't think Armin was "pro-genocide" and that is exactly the last chapters in the manga and the final parts in the anime assassinated his entire character. Armin never really liked violence and now he thanked Eren for being a mass murderer for their sake? What a garbage writing.
It all went downhill when the author decided to introduce the Ymir/paths/time travel manipulation shit/centipede shit like it's a whole different story than S1-S3. Not changing my mind on it.
Finally. A review that isn't just blindly praising the show. Anime watchers are casuals so they mostly just consume product and ask for more product. Most of them are just gushing over how Eren likes Mikasa anyways.
…who is blindly praising the show
that's so true most of the people who are defending AOT's ending are eren and mikasa shippers and they don't truly follow the story telling of AOT and eren growth.
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Uh I liked the ending and didn’t give a shit about if Eren loved Mikasa or not. Everyone I know personally who liked the ending don’t give a flying fuck about the romance.
That must be a gen z high schooler thing
@@CheknoEternityit was still bad and executed poorly his point is people like they’d ending for other reasons other than the actual story
5:02 THANK YOU. Eren was not pro-genocide, he hated that it appeared to be his only option. He took every opportunity he could to resolve things peacefully and only when all options failed, and Mikasa didn't take the opportunity to confess her feelings and run away, did he commit to the Rumbling.
And this fucking finale he goes "I dunno, I just wanted to do it, so very badly." 😔😔😩
I find it interessting, that all the: Its great you don't understand it deal with it people never have any arguments.
My opinion is not an argument. What you write is an argument that everything Eren does in the end (and he doesn't even know why he says himself) goes against his beliefs and also the basic theme: In the end all fate is future unchangeable (although there is a God who controls time so in principle infinity is infinite and infinity is just infinity ask the typing Shakespearian monkey).
And the basic themes: Freedom through sacrifice to never give up are trampled underfoot (hahahaha).
I think the author had a story of a few chapters in mind (he says so himself). As a short story without all the long substructure etc, it could have fitted.
A quick story about how a "nuclear bomb victim" gets the bomb himself and kills everyone else. But Eren's character was built up differently throughout the story (how he tears himself apart every time someone he loves dies because of him and suddenly he doesn't care what happens to them after his death because he can only "see" until he dies)....
So also the "argument" Eren did it so "safe friends future" is wrong because he doesn't know what happens after his death.
Code geas is a perfect Counterexample: (Spoilers ahead): Zero "lives" in the End als Warning: If you are a dictator enslave people it doesn't matter who you are, how much power you have: I will bring you down. Future "safed" with sacrifice.
Eren is absolutely completely pro genocide. He was not crying because genocide was the only option. He knows there are other ways. The rumbling was the most sure fire way to achieve HIS own personal freedom and his friend's freedom. He does not care for anyone else inside the walls (Paradis Eldians died during the activation of the rumbling as stated by Armin). He does not care for anyone outside the walls. We know this because with his discussion with Reiner in the Marley, Eren calls back to how Reiner invaded Paradis. Reiner exclaims that it wasnt because anyone told him to or that he was brainwashed by Marley that he killed Eren's mother, it was because Reiner HIMSELF wanted to do it. Eren then tells him that they are the same, that even though Eren knows the rumbling is wrong, even though he knows there are other ways, he commits genocide because thats what he wanted to do. Did he do it so that his friends can achieve peace and happiness? Yes he did. But just like how Reiner claims that he's doing for his mom, its only the surface level reason why. The biggest reason, the main reason, the deepest most obvious reason is because Eren wanted to do it.
Thank youuu @@newframe6937, I hate that people are trying to turn Eren into this tragic hero, when his whole build up, up to this point, was to activate the rumbling to achieve his selfish goals.
Yep
@@newframe6937 the thing is, the failure of Isayama and this ending is the inability to explain why Eren wanted to do it.
You bring up Reiner and his dialogue with Eren in Marley, but we can explain why Reiner wanted to attack the walls and complete the mission. He wanted to be a hero, he wanted to make his mom proud, he wanted whatever modicum of respect an Eldian in this world can get from people. That was the carrot, at least. The stick is that if he failed that mission, he'd be replaced by another Warrior candidate and his family would likely become mindless Titans like Grisha's gang. Why does Eren want this? You've already said he doesn't care about the people outside or inside of Paradis, so I guess we just ignore his speech at the end of From You, 2000 Years Ago.
Why did Eren do it? Because reality is not like a picture book he saw as a child? Because he's insane? Because he's a madman? An idiot? A slave to freedom? 🤦🏾♂️
See, at least ending haters are consistent. Attack On Titan has been the greatest Fuck Around & Find Out story. The outside world fucked around, KNOWING that Paradis could unleash the Rumbling, and as a result, found out. There was no need to humiliate and discredit your protagonist. Go back and watch From You, 2000 Years Ago. People who like this ending and think Eren just wanted to do it all forget what Eren says to his people.
Bro I finished the show today and oh my god, this ending was absolutely horrible. It makes absolutely zero sense. Can’t believe people defend this trash.
I think Isayama got way too carried away, he could have used the help of an editor. The fact that Eren gained the power to control all titans at all times and yet still made one eat his mother...he could have prevented so much death from happening back in the first few seasons, and if he had the same thoughts he did 4 years after, the loudmouth Eren would definitely not have been a character, since he knew about his powers right from the beginning since he was a child so there would not be any reason for Eren to be so worked up as opposed to relaxed and kinda laissez faire like he is in season 4.
When you introduce time travel into the mix, shit is going to get so jumbled, I would have been fine with Eren only reading the thoughts of all past Attack Titans, just like Eren and Grisha did, him influencing every other Titan in the past and present makes Eren seem like the biggest loser for not coming up with a better solution.
Also, wow Mikasa is one of the worst characters of all time. Somehow her killing Eren made Titan powers vanish, but why? If Ymir wanted Mikasa to kill Eren she should have made it easier for her, and if she actually wanted to kill all mankind then why stop? Ymir was apparently the God but she actually was a slave and then she found a comrade but then actually she did all of it for Mikasa? Awful. Amd if she wasn't bound to the king lineage anymore killing Zeke would mean jack shit, ehy would the Rumbling stop if Zeke has no value?
And Eren's conversation with Armin was kinda awful, you talk about it a good amount so I don't have much to add there.
The very end also makes kinda no sense, why does the tree reappear, it makes everything Eren did kinda worthless in the long run. Sure wars happening that is part of human nature I get it but the Ymir story again? I thought Mikasa killed Ymir forever and the centipede thing vanished or was it an illusion that it vanished? If it had the powers of illusion why not use them to get back to Eren's head when Mikasa cut it? Contrived as hell
“But you don’t understand” -aot sheep
The life worm is a master of evolution. Thr main big worm died, yes. But eren still had traces of the worm in his severed head, im talking microscopic traces in the nervous system. Those traces clung to life. They mutated that fucking tree. And it will become stronger than before because that is how evolution works. During the scene of the battle, you can see a dog titan running along with the other past titans. It's possible either the kid or the dog will get mutated at the end, or perhaps even both and the mutation will be a fucking werewolf or some shit. Who knows? This is fiction. Anything is possible.
Woosh
Dina-bertholdt twist creates so many plotholes...
It was unnecessary af: dina should have eaten carla just because she happened to be there and bert just hid in time as we thought pre-time skip. It wouldn't have been a plot hole either as it needed no explanation. Until post-time skip there was no mystery about it, this subplot was clear to us
But isayama decided (why?) to ruin it by adding that panel with bert first and then revealing everything at the last moment when it didn't matter anymore as it had little time to be explained and have us feel at least some kind of emotion. And now, after such a stupid twist, we have dozens of plotholes cuz eren turns out to be someone who could have:
- solved so many issues in this story,
- saved so many people: his family, comrades, friends etc.
- predicted the future and actions of everyone,
- finished everything much earlier, even before being born,
- let dina eat bertold, led grisha to her after taking the founder away and made touch his ex-wife to start the rumbling, for instance,
- used the ability to control titans through time and space multiple times and so on
But no, "I'm gonna use it only once, to kill the person I love the most in this world and ruin my entire motivation, let dina avoid bertholdt, my enemy even though it could help the island a lot, blame reiner for my mother's death for no reason and also ask myself what my mom would think about the rumbling while being the reason why she can't say anything now. However, I can't make my colossal titans leave hange, my friend, alone in PRESENT because this story has to have more drama"
Genius!
Just think about it: Isayama managed to create a silent character, with ZERO dialogue and ZERO monologue but still explore her backstory, struggles, suffering, mystery around her motivation, set such amazing parallels between her, the mc, historia, freckled Ymir, zeke and frieda only through her emotions and actions, symbolism and visuals, he connected it with aot's themes and its lore. He managed to write THIS... so she, ymir fritz, got to be destroyed by 3 gd lines ("only Ymir knows...", "ymir loved the king fritz" and "she was waiting for mikasa")
Just... why? WTH? FOR WHAT?
Where do I begin? Well, her love for the king... Firstly, no way it's Stockholm syndrome cuz this shit works differently. You guys read about it yourselves. So, no. Secondly, WHEN did she start to develop feelings for him? Before freeing the pigs? After their marriage? After getting pregnant? When? Thirdly, WHY does she have affection for her husband? He ruined her life in every way, he abused her physically and mentally, he did the same thing to their children but she... Uh, ok, let's see (as if we could). If she loves him, why does she disobey him by freeing the pigs and not regenerating? Why doesn't she smile or isn't happy when he's around? Why does she want him dead instead of her and regrets not letting fritz die? If she regretted this whole time, doesn't it mean she already put herself and her daughters above her husband so the titan curse could end sooner?
Now, ymir and mikasa... Their connection has NO buildup. It's never hinted at something common between these two throughout the entire show. The Ackerman's headaches had no allusion to the goddess. So why mikasa? What about this woman made fritz choose her? The fact she was an Ackerman? Or the person who was able to kill the love of her life? Um, couldn't ymir find someone else, like, sooner, 282 years ago for example, among millions of people, within 2000 years? Or it's because mika killed the founder when it separated from hallucigenia? Who knows, who cares...
Why even show so many well-written parallels between ymir fritz, eren, historia and freckled ymir if they have no payoff? Why does Ymir find herself in mikasa but not historia whom she has much more in common with? Historia is a better version of her, so why not wait for reiss? For what reason does she pick a girl with no dignity, self-respect and ability to move on or grow up? How are her relationship with fritz and eremika bond even similar? Eren didn't treat mikasa the way fritz treated his wife. Eren saved and freed mikasa, that tyrant enslaved and and turned his woman's life into a nightmare. The mc and the king are complete OPPOSITES just like mika and ymir. What would she do if mikasa suddenly changed her mind and didn't kill eren? Wait for 2000 years for someone again? How can mikasa help her move on from the king if ackerman didn't move on from eren herself?
Next, if Ymir was the one to make titans in the paths, who made her titan? Was the hallucigenia a separate organism or was it connected to fritz after giving her titan powers? If it wasn't connected to her, then why did it disappear instead of trying to find a new holder? Why was it trying to find one at first but vanished after Eren's death? So the founder's death affects it? Then the hallucigenia should have died when Ymir died. But they're not connected, are they? Or the opposite? Ugh... Why did the founder split into 9 titans? Why not 6 or 27 or 3 if she had 3 daughters? If maria, rosa and shina were able to get their mom's power at the same time, does that mean both erwin and armin could eat berthold and become shifters together? How did fritz know about the way of passing titan powers to new holders? Was Ymir dead when he fed her to their daughters? If she wasn't, then her power should have been given to a newborn eldian. If she was, then she allowed the king chip her into pieces and saw her daughters eat her? If she can rewrite her people's dna, that means she can lenthen their lifetime or make them invulnerable or immortal? Can she provide them with armor appearing out of their bodies or weapon out of the air? Or stop them from turning into titans? About the paths... I refuse to talk about how they work. I would take one more paragraph
Additionally, whose side is Ymir throughout the story on? On fritz's, who planned to build Eldian empire? Or on Zeke's and Karl's who wished to end this empire's existence and wanted her descendants to die? Or on Eren's who tried to save some of them? Is she with mikasa who stopped eren from doing it? Or is she with the alliance who did everything in their power to to save the rest of humanity on the continent? Or is she on the royal family's side? WHOM does she obey? Or is it just going with the flow of events? If that's the case, then how can she wait for mikasa? But if it's still for witnessing mikasa murdering eren, then why does she listen to zeke when eren enters the paths? By this logic, she should join the mc immediately to see him get killed as soon as possible. What were those scenes with her watching everyone during the rumbling all about? Why does she join eren at first and starts the rumbling with the boy but then helps the alliance to defeat him? Why would she do that to someone who made her moved to tears for the first time after 2000 years of suffering? Who healed her by his words of kindness, who told her she's just a person, not a slave or a god, that she get to decide and choose? Why are we told in the final mikasa saved her if eren already did that? Did she need help two times? If the mc wasn't the one to free her, how could she disobey zeke? Is eren her liberator or pawn? If a liberator, why didn't she tell him what she wanted or write shit on sand, anything? If a pawn, why make a show "at your service, mr zeke" and weep after Eren's speech?
Also, what exactly made titans disappear? Eren's death, his refusal to live, mikasa's choice, the fact hallucigenia separated from the mc, the fact fritz saw the kiss? What? Ymir's desire to stop? So you mean to tell me she wanted them to exist? She could refuse making them anytime? Why did she smile at the end of ch 138? Because eren got killed or because the goddess saw the kiss?
To think that for more than 100000+- years (if we take into account time in the paths moves slower) she created MILLIONS of titans when shifters transformed and when eldians turned into them (dozens times a day), healed her descendants (once again, dozens times a day), changed or erased their memories, rewrote their dna, made shit from crystals, walked millions of kilometers to build titans, carried many-many pails with water and sand, climbed high to make enormous arms, heads, necks etc... for TWO THOUSAND YEARS she made her children and their children suffer, made the world endure, helped the mc start GENOCIDE, watched millions of people die and kill each other, witnessed her people eat one another and so on just because she COULDN'T MOVE ON FROM HER ABUSER!
What else should I say... Either she is the stupidest human being or the most despicable and evil person ever. Either her plotline is retconned, or the author just didn't think it out properly (which is so unlikely). Maybe, just maybe, she was the true villain of the story all along, not a victim as we thought. We were just ignorant to see it or didn't want to notice. TMM, Ymir's character gained the worst conclusion in aot, even worse than eren because we didn't even get to know about her motivation, it remained a mystery because "only she knows...". Her arc was so unresolved and so underdeveloped. What was Isayama even thinking?
The main thing that bugged me about the ending was character motivations being an absolute mess. Main cast trying to “save the world” is already stupid given the circumstances of you know, the whole world wanting them dead but it’s even dumber when they decide to be buddy-buddy with the Marleyan cast who have killed people they love.
Then there’s Eren’s “plan” which culminates in him getting killed by his friends thereby securing world peace (?)…..after killing 80% of its population? And I guess he couldn’t see far ahead into the future to see the home he loves so much is going to get carpet bombed in a century or so in a retaliatory strike? Or maybe he knew this and went ahead with it anyway? Makes no sense.
If the silver lining of the whole story is supposed to be “war never changes” then I can’t help but feel that the people praising this story for its “heavy” and “complex” themes are either very young or just are very easily amused.
Part of me thinks Isayama added the epilogue ending as a smart way of vindicating the Yeagerist position since what characters like Floch said eventually came to be true and the utopian position is dumb.
Floch was right.
I feel that opening. After season 3, I would've called it one of my favourite shows ever or even one of the best shows of all time. Like GoT it just sucks when an ending ruins any rewatches.
Sorry you feel that way I love season 4 and I’ve rewatched the show multiple times at this point 🤷🏾♂️ idk how I got recommended this video but I should probably just leave bc I disagree with so many points in these comments 😂😂😂
@@dominickjadoni gave somebody else this long paragraph as well so i might just give you too. You want decent points as to why ending is bad? Here you go.
1. Ymir loved King Fritz.
2. Historia married a guy who apparently threw rocks at her.
3. Eren killed his own mother.
4. Eren doesn't know why he did it.
5. Eren claims to be just an ordinary idiot that contradicts his mother's statement.
6. Where did the worm thing go after eren's death? They didn't even show what happened to it after mikasa killed eren.
7. How come paradis people accepted mikasa and alliance onto the island without any conflict?
8. How did paradis manage to stay in peace for so long, because realistically, it should only take the world 100 years at most to get back on its feet.
9. How did the eren's friends get a happy peaceful life on the island after being traitors to their people?
10. How did mikasa cross an entire continent and ocean with eren's head?
11. Entire survey corps died just so Ymir could witness mikasa kiss eren's head for her glorified therapy.
12. Wasn't Ymir free when she decided to help eren? Why she needs mikasa to free her?
@@dominickjadon just accept the fact that the ending was bad and it couldve been sm better
@@earen_zzz The ending was not actually a bad ending. In fact it's a good ending to the series. If you lack the IQ capabilities to foresee the reasons behind the ending then it's not the author's fault that dumb people wouldn't grasp it.
Season 4 was a blatant destruction of the show. Wouldnt be surprised if isayama was paid to ruin it and put their western propaganda into the show. Just look at all our favourite characters be destroyed and then we have characters like gabi as a hero😂
I'm a huge fan of AOT , and I do agree with most of these points, especially about Eren and Ymir.
But I don't think Armins character was assassinated. I believe Armin is against genocide even during the conversation with Eren, But Armin has always been every empathetic and understanding. So when Eren told Armin that he killed his mother (which is stupid af.)You could see Armin switch when he realised how strongly Eren felt about genocide and saving his friends that he would do that. Since there's literally nothing Armin can do, I think he just makes peace with his life long friend realising what stupid horrendous shit Eren put himself for his friends. (We've also seen Armin lie before.. alot!)
But yeah I didn't want to face it.. but the ending is bad.
Honestly in my opinion, the existence of the parasite doesn't need to be explained since it's the one that started the power system of the show.
Is it?
Or did Ymir create the power system with it? What if "Titans" is just one way for the parasite to form power and it depends on the user?
What if it's not a parasite but the god of a void world 300 light years away from earth nurturing on death and conflict and wanting the world to die?
It does make sense considering the deaths it caused!
@@MrFox-xr9cc It's like asking how the big bang happened. (Even though there are people out there who are trying to explain that)
@@legacy8855the problem with the worm isn't that it isn't explained it's that the worm exist just so Eren can get a million OP powers and execute his plans without actually doing anything like planning or spending years building an army the titan powers could legit come from a contract with the devil and it wouldn't have mattered the only reason it's the worm is so Eren could use it
@@zarc1145 Ok, I understand now
@@zarc1145 honestly yeah they could've made it better by not explaining it, keep it as the legend of ymir and the devil making a pact and the titans are born from her. by showing ymir and humanzing her and giving her motivations in present time with some random worm thrown in just made the titans seem less cool and a lot of it just seems like fat that could've been trimmed for a better and closer knit story.
im convinced that isiyama was held at gun point to make this ending or atleast threatened so he wouldnt give any people from japan any "ideas" about freedom. Like just take the beatdown and then take it some more and if you wanna fight back so you can stop getting beat down,dont. Just let it happen.🤣😭
Lmfaoooo this is funny
No, Isayama is just a lazy hack.
@@anon9060 😭thats worse imo
@@ebag7455 nah you Right on the Marlos tv shows are very influential. Bro Ideals was about to spark a civil war😭😭
Honestly the ending was the worse I’ve ever seen I’ve watched over 20 anime and non of them had an ending so bad and simply so fucking disappointing it’s crazy, I loved the anime, but why do eren so dirty??? Like what kind of ending is that?? No because I feel like I wasted time watching it, I’ve never seen a main character get shit on like that
Watch domestic girlfriend. Or game of thrones(i know its not anime). Aot ending is shit but i felt these series' ending were even worse.
What do you expect with eren character?
@@jyotirani8187 aot is right there too
Such a strange ending, the whole show was about freedom and liberation, and Ymir did represent that theme so perfectly. She breaks free from Fritz because she sees Eren's will for freedom. It was so unnecessary to change it into a lame romance plot?? It worked perfectly fine without it.
There is multiple meanings to freedom. America is considered a free society by some but not all just like how some Americans view other countries as "not free" while it's citizens beg to differ.
The theme of freedom in AOT refers to two kinds. One is Eren's perception of freedom, which is to see the world, explore the world, and to live as a human. This is what most people generally consider freedom, at least by law. The other form of freedom is a freedom of yourself independent of your NATURE. This is what Eren ultimately is a slave to. Ymir found herself a slave to both and while Eren showed her to seek freedom, Mikasa showed her how to "break out of her programming". Just like how Eren cannot choose his nature of chasing HIS perception of freedom, Ymir cannot stop her nature of loving King Fritz, just like Mikasa cannot stop herself loving Eren. While Eren fails to break out of his programming, and just kept moving forward despite knowing it's wrong, Mikasa does the opposite and kills the man he loves. These two acts "free" Ymir from the shackles she placed on herself.
@@newframe6937 I like this explanation everything makes a lot of sense to me now
Not true. Ymir was freed at the end of the story. By Eren, Mikasa & Armin together.
@@newframe6937 if mikasa showed her how to break out her programming, she would have done so in trost arc in s1, when mikasa moved on from erens death, and vowed to protect her people and kill titans. she didnt. therefore the mikasa ymir thing i nonsense and only makes sense to people who forgot the rest of the show.
ymir loved king fritz.....bro. what is wrong with you. pls, im begging you, think about WHAT he did, WHY he did it, HOW she reacted, and try and justfiy said statement. and dont spout stockholm syndrome if you dont know what it is. it requires the abuser the demonstrate some love for the abused and create attachment, fritz does not.
@@pyrite2060 Because moving on from Eren dying does not conflict with her desires at all. Killing Eren with her own hands is a different thing entirely and with Mikasa showing Ymir that it's possible, Ymir was able to break free.
Wierdest shit is people actually liking the ending and claming aot is a masterpiece lmao
No, weirdest shit is the fact that 90% of people love the ending and you guys STILL think you’re right 😂
@@x-omnistar-x9602hes right, this is a piece of garbage
@@LeMajesticJamesit's good, the ending was shit so it made the rest of the show look stupid
Dina-bertholdt twist creates so many plotholes...
It was unnecessary af: dina should have eaten carla just because she happened to be there and berth just hid in time as we thought pre-time skip. It wouldn't have been a plot hole either as it needed no explanation. Until post-time skip there was no mystery about it, this subplot already had payoff
But isayama decided (why?) to ruin it by adding that panel with berth first and then revealing everything at the last moment when it didn't matter anymore as it had little time to be explained and have us feel at least some kind of emotion. And now, after such a stupid twist, we have dozens of inconsistencies cuz eren turns out to be someone who could have:
- solved so many issues in this story,
- saved so many people: his family, comrades, friends etc.
- predicted the future and actions of everyone,
- finished everything much earlier, even before being born,
- let dina eat bertold, led grisha to her after taking the founder away and made touch his ex-wife to start the rumbling, for instance,
- used the ability to control titans through time and space multiple times and so on
But no, "I'm gonna use it only once, to kill the person I love the most in this world and ruin my entire motivation, let dina avoid bertholdt, my enemy, in past, even though it could help the island a lot, blame reiner for my mother's death and also ask myself what my mom would think about the rumbling while being the reason why she can't say anything now. However, I can't make my colossal titans leave hange, my friend, alone in PRESENT because this story should have more drama"
Genius!
Completely agree! It was an unecessary plot twist just for shocking the audience
The entire series is a giant time-loop paradox. And because the Attack Titan can see the future there’s no free will.
@@justsomeguy6336 it doesn't save the story from plotholes
@@annett5 I know.
Exactly. Murder his mom? I feel like the author completely forgot how Eren almost died saving his mom in that Titan attack. I hate how the author destroyed Eren's character.
Finally a review not made by shills
It was a never masterpiece. People got too overhyped. There was already a red flags with the writing in Season 4
What do you think was the first red flag?
@Lumigle this is going to be a long one
The handling grey morality and genocide in this season. Yams tried so hard to make Marley sympathetic and it failed. Marley deserved to be Rumbled. Also, making the entire world revolt against Paradis was a big mistake. We shouldn't had some nations be neutral or have a little grudge against Paradis. It would've made Eren doing a full Rumbling properly criticized and unnecessary. Also, the Yeagerists aren't even better. Yeah I get that they wanted to protect their homeland but their just as assholic as the Marlyeans and the just of the world. The Alliance shit was rushed and half arsed. They fact Yams potrayed as "heroes" instead of actual gray characters. Honestly, the alliance was a last minute half arsed slop because of the genocide complaints. Yams already half arsed the Us vs. Them situation now he pulls let's save the world bs despite the outside world wants to has a huge grudge against Eldians and both sides want to eradicate each other. Also the Warriors should've gotten a lot more criticized on by Paradis side if the Alliance just to make them feel guilty and have some remorse. Also Hange and Armin should've had more reasons to stop the Rumbling besides "genocide bad". Also they should've came up with better solutions that don't completely screw Paradis over.
@@Spantzcatdog But this is the point, Paradis got destroyed later in the future because the author showed us that no matter what, the humans will always make war and fight each other, even though everyone is in peace with each other. So no matter if Eren did the full rumbling, Paradis would get destroyed at some other point later because of a war, this is a cycle and history repeats itself. Therefore explains why killing 80% of humanity wouldn’t help at all. Marley wasn’t supposed to be sympathetic, just meant to show how evil humanity can be without realizing it’s own ignorance to claim over wars, hence is why the history we know of AoT exists, people being ignorant and making bad decisions, leading to the titans.
It took 10 years of waiting for the ending and a lot of time reading and re-reading the manga to analyze the intricacies of the story. I've wasted my life for this shit too
You're saying one scene ruined everything? I'm sorry Eren is human and has human feelings just like every fucking person here. He's been with mikasa for 10 years and you think he wants her to kill him and just forget him? realistically, no one would want that. Use ur brain, you people need to know that every character here isn't some robot that acts according to your satisfaction.
I just watched it and it was a total disappointment. At the end, the butchers of Paradis are headed there for peace talks... and this makes sense to whom?
Yep, what a genius idea. Let's send literal terrorists as peace negotiators.
only ymir knows
Remember, Eren ALREADY freed Ymir in the paths by making understand she doesn't have to be a slave and decide for herself. I guess Isayama forgot about that and had Mikasa free her too.😂
Eren didnt free Ymir there. He made her help him because he saw her as a human not a slave/monster. Mikasa showed her by killing Eren, that what Ymir felt for King Fritz wasnt love as she couldnt let him die.
He freed her to make the choice to help him with the rumbling. But Ymir still loved King fritz as crazy as that was. It was Mikasa's strength mirrored in her willingness to Kill her great love Eren that truly freed Ymir's tortured soul hence why Mikasa tells her to rest in peace and you see the choice Ymir should have taken and she is able to depart truly in peace. Please stop giving your ignorant, hating ass opinions if you don't understand the story 🙂 thank you
@@emil2063yes thankyou!! Even better than my comment 😅
@@miriammagana1593 I understand the story perfectly, Ymir love for Fritz comes out of nowhere just to make Mikasa part of the story. At that point Mikasa was useless to the plot.
@@miriammagana1593 furthermore Ymir gave control to Eren over Zeke rejecting the slavery of Fritz but noooo she couldn't just be a slave for Eren to save she had to love Fritz because all women in this series love Warlords and maniacs.🤣
The amount of people who called aot "the best anime ever" or just even "one of the greatest" and eren "the best character ever" is astonishing, like damn one of my favorites anime is re zero and yet i know it's not perfect and that subaru isn't the best character. Some people need to learn about liking something and yet criticizing it cause aot isn't perfect at all
there is no perfect show anyways. Arguing about this stuff is pointless
I think a good bulk of people who carry on like that have probably just not watched or read a lot of stuff and this is their first piece of media that they’re a fan of which deals with heavier themes.
It reminds me of when I was 12 and watched Fight Club for the first time and thought it was the best written movie ever.
Each to their own, personally, 'Attack on Titan' gets a thumbs up as the best anime ever, at least for me (aside from "Dragon Ball'). I can say the same thing; my all-time favorite anime has to be 'Dragon Ball,' even though I know it has a bunch of filler episodes and cool fights. But you see the point: "Dragon Ball' is not even in the top spot generally for people, but to me it's still my favorite. To you it could be the worse anime but not to the people and vice versa
@@crayyxbreaking bad:allow me to introduce myself
I'm sure there are many things about breaking bad that could be broken down and questioned why certain things have happened even in breaking bad if anyone really cared enough. There are discussions about plot holes for any show on the internet@@Raouftali-wi6ym
Ah. the AoT salt mines. I personally loved the ending. I didn't live on message boards and forums. But my small family group who chatted about it amongst ourselves more or less guessed how it'd end. The how's and why's weren't clear but we knew Eren was going to die to save his friends. Taht Mikasa would have to be the one to kill him adn Armin would lead them to get ti done. It hurt like getting hit by a truck but I loved it. Sorry you guys can't find any joy in it I guess.
Also still confused on why people didn't think Eren was in love with Mikasa. My mother, who doesn't watch anime, thought they were quietly pining from the earlier parts of the show. I think out of everything else that's the most baffling thing. Like, it was so obvious it didn't need to be overtly showed or stated. I love a good slow burn, back seat romance myself. Also thought it was a smart move since shows like this can get bogged down dealing with love if it ain't done right.
Also, I think if you feel like you wasted your life, that's kind of sad bro. Maybe you should go have a chat with Armin in the paths about what makes life worth while. This is obviously a silly joke, plz don't take it seriously lol
Same here. A lot of stuff in the finale I’ve been theorizing for years because I’ve watched the series and read the manga multiple times.
1: Eren being a slave to freedom. I’ve been theorizing that since Season 3 Part 1 after Kenny’s speech that everyone is a slave to something.
2: Eren and Mikasa being a thing. Episode 1 or 2 of the series is when I picked up on it.
3: Eren being killed by Mikasa. Probably since the Rumbling started is when I theorized that. Essentially at the end of Season 4 Part 2. I could just tell Eren was going to die and I thought Mikasa would make the most sense to do it because she always protects him. It’s poetic.
4: The whole thing with Ymir & Fritz I understood since her backstory was revealed Season 4 Part 2. In the episode you can tell that Ymir is craving for someone to lover her. Fritz praises her for the work she has done. Ymir in her manipulated mind interprets praise as love.
And eren randomly becoming a colossal titan? The entir story being about ymir and mikasa out of nowhere? Ymir randomly turning on eren for no reason despite literally dying just because she knew he had the potential to do the rumbling? Eren speech to ymir that now makes no sense?
ok shill
There are a lot of plot holes with the titan abilities. They didn't consider what Erens powers could do with literal clairvoyant future and past sight + the ability to manipulate people through time.
Eren breaking character as if he has been the same person from the start doesn't make sense. Eren did change. You can't tell me Eren was acting this entire time. Eren & Mikasa love interest didn't make sense at all. They were like brother sister to me.
Eren controlling Dina creates an impossible time paradox.
That and the question I immediately had was, “If Eren could control titans from the future why didn’t he activate the rumbling before his mom died?
@@justsomeguy6336 I gues Isayama wanted to go the route of determinism. It does not matter what character progression Eren went, he only had one path.
Basically he destroyed Eren's character to fit the determinism route.
Who determined this path? Apparently Eren, but he had no other choice, soooo only Ymir knows xD
@@Lumigle How did he fumble this hard?
@@justsomeguy6336 he briefly explained it like : the people needed to know the truth and, they shouldnt have died yet, like he spared berotholt
@@turbulentmind2044 He could’ve just given them memories like he did Armin, or just have Grisha confess.
After the tears of the kingdom video, you have once again made another spot on take despite what others might think. Appreciate your ability to not be blinded by media’s honeymoon phase that so many are.
I was literally about to comment this. This guy is a ray of sanity in a world of bots. He’s willing to go against what the masses say in order to say the actual truth. Totk and aot finale were my biggest hopes for 2023, absolute let down failures, but because of their popularity, nobody will say it… apart from feeble. Real ninja
We need more videos like this. The anime-onlies are too blind too see how shit the ending truly is. They're being way too positive and ignoring the many flaws it actually has.
Or you guys are just wrong?
Or you guys are just wrong.
Or maybe your the one who is too blind to see how good the ending truly is
Facts
I am an anime only , I hate the ending
He's just a silly 19 year old boy guys!!!
Makes you think of those just turned 18, bought a gun and commits mass shooting in America. Eren's no different. He just feel like it.
Wow what a garbage writing. Eren could've had a redemption arc from being hot-headed to being wise like Erwin and not commit genocide.
@@arvi8843 the original comment is a joke i guess
@@arvi8843where exactly could that redemption arc go? Bc since day 1 Eren has been talking abt exterminating every last titan on this earth.
He was fixated on genocide since before he knew what the word meant
There was no redeeming Eren, he was meant to die and he knew that
His hate for titans soon just turned to complete lack of empathy
Eren saw himself spiralling out of control so he wanted his friends to come and stop him but didn't wanna do it himself bc he was indoctrinated by his own perception of freedom
I don't think Eren hates Mikasa but he seems like he thinks of her as an annoying sister. He rejected her kiss too during the almost dying together scene. It always was a one sided love Mikasa had
Eren should have 100% killed everyone outside of Paradis but Mikasa or Armin ended up dying in the process showing how severely wrong he was. He did this to protect his precious friends but in the end they liked like Sasha
edit: died like Sasha*
He rejected her kiss because he wasn't willing to give up and die. He loved Mikasa. After rejecting the kiss he promised to wrap that scarf around her forever.
he could easily have given her a quick kiss on the lips and got up. He didn't know if he could have lived or not at that point. He didn't know that his founding power would activate. He would kissed her anyway if he thought he might die there@@TequilaToothpick
@@naylisyazwina6836 He didn't think he would die there. He refused to give up and die.
I always found that scene weird af, like the titan was just there watching them😂
he knew he was going to die there, he just didn't want to give up, that's why he threw a punch. He didn't know all the future stuff here, he didn't touch Historia's hand yet. He rather punch a titan even thinking it's futile than give a quick kiss to Mikasa. The punch was just to show that he died fighting then he was surprised he could control titans. He thought he was going to die right after that punch@@TequilaToothpick
I googled this right after finishing the anime because I thought I was the only one going crazy about the poor writing.
I never understand how ge kills 80% of the world but the rumbling stops at Marley which is the closest land mass. Doesnt make sense even if there were other titans going to logn way
It didnt stop at marley. Marley was the first continent to be destroyed.
Marley has won much territory against other nations. The final scene is at a military outpost I think.
@@emx8989 aren't those people equally oppressed then? I don't get the whole argument of eren being justified
The Marley continent is the size of Africa (well it pretty much is Africa) so it’s ginormous. Nearly the entire continent of Marley has been stomped flat by the end of the rumbling, so the big battle happened on what little bit of land Marley had left.
@@PickledKong64 First of all Eren suffered more than anyone because of the outside world. He only attacked Marley right after Willy Tybur made the whole world declare war on them. When the Marleyans attacked Eren only had few choices as the only real weapon against Marley the people of Paradis had was the rumbling.
If Eren didnt start the rumbling Marley would have annihilated Paradis killing Eren and everyone he cares about. Also more than likely Marley would have used the power of the founding titan to take over the world, so basically not resisting wasnt a choice.
A small scale rumbling would not bring the people of Paradis freedom as well, as the remaining countries of the world would hate them even more and theyd fight a war Paradis cant win.
Eren picked the ending which wouldnt kill everyone outside Paradis and still guarantee freedom for his friends till at least the end of their lives (although Eren couldnt control everything for example Hange dying).
Maybe one could say if Eren took their titan powers and completed the rumbling there would be eternal peace, but season 4 was proof that the people inside Paradis could fight each other too.
Worth mentioning is also that saving his friends was not Erens only motivation. He wanted to rid the world of titans like he promised in season 1. Furthermore his (understandable) hate towards what the outside world has done to him and his confusion due to being able to travel between times as well as the power of the founding titan played a big role in his final decision to start the rumbling.
I hope that wasnt too long for you, Id appreciate it if you tell me your POV
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I see your point but I really dont agree with it, i think when erin says “im an idiot” its not to say it’s because he’s literally stupid, it’s because he tried to find a way to save the situation and couldnt and it ended up with him killing a lot of people, and he “wanted” to do it because of his ego and the trap that he finds himself in as this pseudo god almost.
Maybe my interpretation is too biased towards favoring the show but I think it explains things. I think erin did really want to save his friends and growing up he was never consious of his role in the future, and eventually his mental state declined into madness which leads to the finale where erin cant balance all these things and ends up leveling the world
AOT ending made the show medicore. Ruined all the build ups. But lets just appreciate good things about AOT.
Glad that more and more people are being critical of this work. Poor writing should always be scrutinized or it will lead to a regression in the quality of writing and storytelling.
It's not critism it's forced criticism
@@THEONLYGOD788Nothing forced about it.
@@THEONLYGOD788 yeah you're right. we should be force defending it instead
You guys are salty about nothing lol this is a show, nothing real and you all are acting like this was the biggest disgrace in recent human history lol at the end of day i tkink this anime it leaves you with a lesson about how imperfect the work itself is, and that is that Eren couldn't change anything, why? Because humanity is what it is, there will always be one part that wants to destroy the other, it is shown throughout the work with the people of Marley and the subjects of Ymir, and later when in a somewhat ambiguous way we are given to understand that civilization never came to understand each other when they annihilated each other that 20% of the remaining population, what is really valuable is the message it leaves, not so much if the story is eloquent with what Eren wanted, but with what the humanity itself wants, which is to finish each other. Stop behaving like damn anime gurus and start seeing things with eyes more attached to what is a work created based on something born from human history transformed into FICTION. By the way, go out into the real world for a bit and don't scratch your bellies so much arguing and spitting bile over an ANIME.
@@andyblood4805 nigga you took the time to write out a whole ass essay and you want to lecture us about being hung up on an anime ending? lol riiiiiight
The whole final fight is stupid when you remember the fact that Eren is basically an omnipotent god and sees the past present and future and can take awya their powers or make them paraplyzed at anytime.
@@StumbIingforward corny cope plot device. Theyre intruding on his own freedom by trying to stop him. And him trying stopping them from doing what they want by defending himself is also him trying to take away their freedom. Makes no sense lol. Took away Armins freedom to let out his anger when he best his ass at the table scene lol. Also makes no sense in the first place that they can beat so many founders. Cope. Everyone is OOC, plot hole ridden, no answer, trash end. If you like it you have no tadte or youre braindead
@@bonzoluvfax. and what reason would he have to allow reiner pieck and annie to use their titans😂 same guy who said “if anyone takes my freedom, i won’t hesitate to take theirs.” by that logic he shouldve taken their powers right away, considering they’ve been leading an entire operation to destroy eren’s home for YEARS.
that goes completely against his goal of trying to set them up as heros. you dont even know what ur watching its insane
@@joelmiller-be9im its a stupid fucking goal
@@joelmiller-be9im that was never his goal just a stupid retcon lmao
The paths scene is awful because it feels undeserved. When writing a story it is very important to keep in mind, that before a major plot twist or a big change there needs to be clues laid out not only in just previous events, but right before the plot twist. I get what Isayama was trying to say, Eren was putting a mask in order to distance himself and due to his memories being jumbled he broke down in this scene. The problem is Isayama never really gave us any reason to belive this is how eren acts, yeah sure there were like 2 moments in flashbacks but those were in FLASHBACKS, as a viewer you make a separation from flashback-eren and current-eren (cripple long haired homeless man to start of rumbling).
Sad part is, I can see why this happened, we don't hear from Eren since the start of the rumbling making it very difficult to foreshadow what his character is going to be without spoiling the mystery. The guy ripped his fingers off out of sheer hatred for marleyans and pure determination to liberate his people, and we are just supposed to see this as natural which does not work one bit.
If this part was cut there wouln't be so much discourse and the ending would be so much better. I get rid of this part form my memory which helps me actually enjoy the ending.
What do you mean? We’ve seen him act like this before. All emotional. I don’t have a problem with him being emotional. HE SHOULD BE EMOTIONAL FOR THE FACT THAT HE WAS PUSHED TO KILL 80% . NOT EMOTIONAL BECAUSE SIS WOULD FORGET ABOUT HIM. People saying he shouldn’t be crying did NOT understand his character. He even did it with ramzi. The line about mikasa pining him or whatever was placed in great priority and was told before the 80% line. This is forced romance. The rumbling and all the oppression buildup has become nothing but a mere side plot.
@@Vortex_ICEcold thing is, he already had the emotional moment over the descision of the rumbling. months before the declaration, in front of ramzi when they visited marley. i think people get confused by the timline. guility over the rumbling ----> attacks marley and confronts reiner -----> organizes yeagerists with floch and rebels ----> fools zeke and rumbles world ------> 139 bullshit. it dosnt make any sense.
This man really said Armin was pro-genocide lmaooooo 😂😂😂
He is. He would rather empathize with the idea of wiping people out than chastise Eren for wanting to kill people and in the manga he's even more explicitly pro murder.
he thanked eren for committing mass murder when his entire goal was that genocide is bad...why? because hes "a hero" now? he benefits from it therefore genocide is okay? proving why the alliance is more dogshit every second
@@pyrite2060I love Armin so I ignore the ending and keep my peace ❤
AOT has that Game of Thrones feel great start highly controversial ending.
Funniest part to me was when Eren was wiping out humanity and Mikasa was hesitant about killing him, that's some crazy simping right there. Even Ymir was probably like ' Nah bruh that's too much now '
watching this anime is waste of time
I love it but the ending was SOOO bad it just made everyone's efforts look like it was for nothing
thinking eren's titan going rogue and trying to kill mikasa is "foreshadowing" for him hating her is beyond stupid. every first titan transformations hardly goes right. falco also tried to kill pieck on his first transformation. that doesnt mean he hates pieck.
Eren doesn’t hate Mikasa.
Reiner and 90% of characters who died before S4P3 stayed true from start to finish
I hate this ending. I'm here to give you the reasons why. If you want to you can go hate on me inside my profile page, I'm not here to appease the fanboys. I want to provide my opinion on this, this is not a hate piece on Attack on Titan just the ending please let me be clear this bad ending does not ruin the show for me and should not ruin the show for others however it is bittersweet. This is not a Game of Thrones Season 8 situation where one season ruins the entire show it's just these last 10 chapters.
"No I don't want that! Mikasa finding another man?! I want her to think about me and no one else for the rest of her life! Even after I die...I want her to be hung up on me for a while! Ten years at least!" This is actual dialogue from the show now I'm no expert in romance my pyscho mentally insane first wife left me in about a year after getting together. I'm still depressed does this ruin my credibility on making rationale critical reviews perhaps. But goddamn, in all the time Eren had he never had a care in the world for any romance with Mikasa. She has made repeated advances since they were children even after learning he had 13 years to live for a damn long time, this man still did not care. I get the author wanted to play into the EreMikasa fandom (even though Historia and Eren is a way better couple and isn't i*c*st and yes banging your adopted siblings is i*c*st get over it you miscreants). The dialogue is terrible and makes no sense. Maybe Isayama was voicing his own opinions on this kind of thing ( I relate heavily) but it’s so out of left field and makes no damn sense. Now he's worried about being cucked? You never even kissed her ffs. Now that we've taken a look at Eren let's analyze some other major let downs. Mikasa being able to free Ymir by killing Eren due to Ymir loving her rapist genocidal p*d*p**** husband so much so that she wanted to kill herself but still serve him after she died? Fine. But how is this incredibly shocking and heavy plot development portrayed to us? It's hard to believe, but The Founder Ymir was in love with Karl Fritz. That's why Ymir's restriction has persisted for the last 2000 years. With no additional context of how such a contrived situation developed. What an asspull. In all fairness maybe this plot point deserves a pass because of the Stockholm syndrome Ymir gained from being with her husband from the time of 10.
Armin wanting to express his condemnation of Eren's actions while also reassuring him as a friend? Fine. But how is this incredibly complex series of statements and emotions shown to us? Eren. Thank you. You became a mass murderer for our sake. This is genocide apologia. He made a quote on quote terrible mistake HE KILLED BILLIONS and wiped 80% of the Earth wtf. YEAH GREAT BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW ELDIA WAS TURNED TO RUBBLE LATER WHAT WAS THE POINT IN STOPPING EREN?. Some other picks: Jean and his fellow corps having extremely emotional goodbyes only to become titans for a a few days only to be then instantly reverted back as if nothing happened. Yelena literally vanishing from the story this is not a case of Araki forgot which is an urban legend the great Hirohiko Araki would never forget Isayama would. Falco being able to fly and save the alliance just because of a memory. The alliance managing to fend off an assault by dozens of organized titan shifters with the only casualty being Levi's leg with unlimited thunder spears and gas for assurance.
Again I would like to reiterate my thank you to Isayama for all the hard work and great storytelling he made for the first 130 chapters of AOT the ending was terrible and I am allowed to say that. AOT is still one of the best anime in existence but the ending was bad.
Mikasa isn’t his sister.
bro you cant justify
@@animeup1728 Why? Literally 90% - 95% of the fandom like the anime ending. If anything, you guys are the ones who can’t justify.
@@AlexanderTheBloodraven90-95% who bro where did you get those no 💀 and what are justification? I didn't like the ending it was bad as hell The main reason is I understood aot to core and those iditoic dilogues iseyams gave it's really bad
@@AlexanderTheBloodraven Stop making up numbers and get out of your fanboy echo chamber.
i’m making a video breaking down this entire ending and got worried there wouldn’t be anime onlys who thought this ending as trash as i (a manga reader) did. thank you for making this video!
Tell me when you're finished please!
Tell me when your done making the video
Please tell me when you are finished + as someone who read the manga i also felt that way seeing my only anime friends giving it 10/10
@@hussienmohamed7420 Same also read the manga ending before. Thought I was over the garbage ending in manga but the feeling resets after watching the anime final season. It's like disappointment all over again. 😂
Tell ne too
Great video !!
I liked the finale but I understood all the points you said… good video
Bro I fucking avoided manga spoilers for 2 years just to see this fucking atrocious piece of steaming shit ending, Im actually fuming, I rewatched the show so often just tantalized at what might come in the ending and then Armin decided genocide was a good thing that should be done because reasons, even tho he stood against the yeagerists and fought and almost died numerous times to get to Eren and basically ruin the characters entire motivations for stopping Eren, I think Isayama literally forgot his the plot points from his earlier work… I can’t see how anyone could write this, it’s like Star Wars sequels level of bs character work and it’s still the same writer… ig he just got bored after season 3
I am just confused about the ending. I feel like they never really answered why eren wiped their memory...and why he was so harsh to Mikasa and armin during passed episodes. Like was it because in order to stop titans, he had to start the rumbling but needed them stop him after his point was clear (idk) im so confused. and i also didn't feel like they really have eren n mikasa tention until now
It's mind blowing to me the fact that people complaining about those who didn't like this ending are saying that we didn't get it. That SnK wouldn't end well and all we want is pink joy and flowers.
Dude, like... A good ending to you is praising Eren as a hero when he literally almost wiped out humanity?
If this was hitler speaking about the love of his life we wouldn't give a fk. And he didn't went as far as Eren, so why are you all acting like he's the most human character? 😂
When Eren said that he's just an idiot who got power hungry, that pretty much sums everything up
1. It's not his sister xd She was taken care of Eren's parents. They were like family, but they are not siblings, neither step-siblings.
2. Eren & Armin doesn't love murder - Armin nuked Marley's port and he sympathizes with Eren. Eren was an idiot, but without that idiot the world would attack Paradise this way on another. It was a necesity from his side. And he simulated the ending of this world many times as he said (time warping), and the outcome we saw was that not every human being outside of Paradise was dead. He wanted to see the sight of being free - but the world didn't allow him to.
3. Ymir stockholm syndrome.
4. His mother would still die. The timewarping Eren jsut ensured his hyoungerself would see the outcome. And he feels guilty.
5. It's just a symbol, bird of freedom, that gives Mikasa her own symbolic freedom.
I agree that there was some weird character inconsistencies when Eren and Armin talked. When stating his motivation for doing what he did, he should’ve said “a part of me wanted to destroy the world, a part of me wanted to save the world, a part of me wanted to live, a part of me wanted to die, a part of me wanted to fight, a part of me wanted to give up. For an endless amount of time, I have thought about why I must do the things I will do, and even now, I just don’t know. Was I ever free, or was I just a pawn? Do my actions make me an idiot, or does it make me… human? Armin, all I ever wanted was life - not just to be alive, but to live.”
And then Eren would’ve started to weep, and then Armin would’ve thought about it this,and then console his friend. Then they would’ve ‘pined over’ each other lol.
This would have been extremely better
AoT ended at chapter 123 or 21st episode of 4th season.
Anything else is awful lie.
@@Spantzcatdog What do you think went wrong with the Marley Arc?
@@Spantzcatdog oh sorry, I missread that xD
I agree 100%
It's nice to see a fellow anime only who understands THIS ENDING IS HORSESHIT. How are so many people defending this? What?! The story after the rumbling falls off, and then suddenly nosedives with the last part. I genuinely have no idea what went on in the background to produce this, and I genuinely cannot understand the people who defend this shit.
Your patrick bateman joke was hilarious btw, and incredibly spot on. It's hilarious how Isayama suddenly decided to shoehorn in a shitty MCU "good guy vs evil yay" ending into a story that was fundamentally amoral by the end, and have it end up being pro genocide.
The one thing I disagree with you, is that you believe Eren was saying his true feelings at the table scene. I thought he wanted to push them away so they wouldn't feel bad when he enacted the rumbling. I think it would make sense that he would do that, and it would be cool for Historia to be the only character he opens up to. What I THINK is he exaggerated his true feelings (he didn't like MIkasa's creepy obsessiveness, and Armin being suddenly attracted to annie)
Loved that you actually noticed how the ending feels similar to SAO neither had answers for the end just "uuupppsss im just a klutz 🤡"
Idk I felt the Sao ending made a lot of sense.... the crazy man who made the game was trying to make a game that was more real than anything else before. Where people could play a game in a world of adventure where they were truly living. It made wayyy more sense than this
Your dumbass apparently wasn't paying attention to the previous episode where he spells out his motivation. Nor the one before where it's also made OBVIOUS.
Not the show's fault.
I guess that's what you get from the ending if you have an iq of sub 70
So you are telling me that the my favourite anime in my teenage years ends like this...
Well I guess that's what happens when you have a great premise and setting but you have no idea what to do with it
Fr like I didn’t cry because of the ending I cried because of how stupidly disappointing the shows ending was like wasn’t it brutal enough and now your giving me this? The author must have some kind of mental illness
@@Legally_adopting_Ranponah i will admit, i cried twice during the episode because i followed the show for 5 years but now i am out of my honeymoon phase i know how the ending was shit.
I binge watched the entire series in like 4-5 days. My brain is frying
I'll stay with the imaginary ending i kept in my head
Eren wipes out the outside world and lives on in a world of peace, but still tortured by sacrificing his heart (friends) for the rest of his live.
ANR was the only hope for a good ending. You can't deny that it wouldn't have been at this point.
Someone should make an alternate ending to save it tbh
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THIS IS A VERY WEAK ENDING. WTF WHY ARE THERE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THIS KIND OF ENDING IN MIND. LOL
@@kazejakeson1100 yeah, since i've only described it in about 5 sentences.
Every ending would sound weak like that.
Just look up Aot No Requiem. It already surpassed the original and it's not even done yet. But it will most likely end in that way.
@@kazejakeson1100 oh and also to answer your question:
It's because some people who like the story, do want an ending where the story and the characters don't make a 180 just to end in a fanfic.
And it not ending the way it did with the only intention being "it's more realistic". And it not being influenced by the writers feelings about the "not being able to change the ending" and Eren actually being the main character / Historias Story having a point.
@@Spantzcatdog that's why I wanted to have multiple endings.
But I guess making the ending of this fictional story more "realistic" is more important lol
@@kazejakeson1100 ????