Telegram CEO paid 'millions' for release out of French jail | LBC analysis
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- The founder of Telegram has been charged by French prosecutors with allowing criminal activity on the encrypted social media app.
Pavel Durov, 39, has been barred from leaving France as investigators continue to look into his case. He has avoided jail by paying €5 million (£4.2 million) in bail.
Durov, who is originally from Russia but has French citizenship, was originally arrested at Paris-Le Bourget airport on Saturday evening after arriving in France from Azerbaijan.
Telegram is favoured by many because of its commitment to privacy - but that also makes it useful for people who want to conceal criminal activity.
The French government has been accused of arresting the tech tycoon for “political” reasons, including by the Kremlin.
James O'Brien is joined by LBC's tech correspondent Will Guyatt to break the story down.
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Why is Facebook CEO walking free ??? 😂😂
Because he allows you to be spied on
@@heem6619 correct!
As always double standards
...because they do have a level of moderation. Its NOT the same as Telegram. So FB is attempting to do something. But it may not be enough even for them. About time SM was held to the same standards as media/ broadcasting. Also remember FB did have to explain themselves in a Senate hearing.
@@KiwisDownUnderyou simple person censorship is only used by dictators
Privacy is NOT a crime.
Crime is a crime.
Freedom of speech is dependent on who holds the biggest gun
Another hard of thinking here - NDA’s are commonly used by your bosses of social media 🙄
Russia. We're allowed to lock up Westerners.
West. We can lock up Russians too.
Russia. THAT'S NOT FAIR......😭😭😭
Sounds like you’re a Maoist
Freedom of speech is dependent on who holds the biggest megaphone
Careful….. the armed people are more than a big gun
so why not arrest the ceo's of other social media platforms? This seems ludicrous.
because the have active measures in place to deter illegal activities, telegram is a free for al.
@@TeeheeTennessy Should local councils be held criminally responsible for any crime that occurs within their district of jurisdiction?
@@chrish9164 yes, if they would actively decide to do away with any form of law enforcement and/or willfully hide the location of a child molester, they'd be liable. It's not about being responsible for crimes committed on a platform, it's about having systems in place (moderation) that can limit/stop these kind of activities, how police in a precinct is there to fight crime but will never get rid of it completely.
Horrible rebuttal btw, but hey you tried :)
@@chrish9164 No..because they don't knowingly ignore crimes they know are taking place or being planned..Unlike the owner of telegram who has known for a while what kind of people are attracted to his platform..The same kind who are attracted to the dark web..
Telegram CEO is a resident of France…. So easier for a start
Reason why telegram was arrested as opposed to Meta/X, telegram doesn’t cooperate with Uncle Sam 🙄
He was arrested in France under an arrest warrant that was issued by French authorities in accordance with French law.
Telegram is full of scammers.
He refused to hand access to his app to the Russians, this was deemed as a positive thing. He refuses to hand access to his app over to the French and now he is public enemy number one.
Follow the money is what we are always told, so who is funded by Facebook and Twitter so they are not targeted in this way.
Welcome to western morality
Pavel did a deal with the FSB. That's why he was able to enter and leave Russia.
@@The_DrAstrovso did the commenter you’re replying to
When are you going to Kursk
@@The_DrAstrovso what facebook is run by cia as Zuckerberg admitted the other day
Sounds like Elon needs to take a holiday to France 😂
They would love to put him in jail after they've spent millions of euros on the Hyperloop scam whose sole purpose was to cancel a train project in California.
With his 12 children 😂
The reason why Telegram CEO has been arrested as he wont allow authorities back door entry into his app whereas bookface and X and fully complicit in making sure your messages are fully visible to the powers that be.
If I put illegal materials in a letter and post it then the head of the Royal Mail can be arrested for allowing complicity’ in illegal acts.
No, but if you put it on a postcard, it won't be the postman knocking on your door at dawn.
@@skasteve6528 still trying to find out why the fbi hid Epsteins videos of compromised politicians
Bottom line is nobody's right to private conversations should be given up because police or any other agency can't do the job we pay them billions to do.
It’s about controlling the narrative, not about criminals
The first 40 years of my life had no social media, no mobiles and no online abuse. Now I'm off to sell my mobile and laptop so I can stay warm this winter. The first 40 years of my life were safe and warm.
So in your world back in the day criminals didn’t use telephones to organise and manage their crimes and there was no bullying
If you're that hard up you should probably apply for a winter fuel allowance. They still exist
@@marcelchaloupka They were caught and put in prison. Now we wont even let a copper talk to them in case it offends their religeous views. And a bloke was a man.
@@marcelchaloupka Criminals got caught. Today we cant send a copper to talk to them in case it offends their religeous views. Two tier Kier is pushing that agenda even further. In my day we had common sense, now we cant even call someone a bloke without being arrested.
@@miket1783-j5j so which CEOs of which telcos were caught and went to prison
Why isn't Facebook or Instagram in the dock?
Cant touch Zuckerberg teflon Don
They don't allow pdf-files and terrorists in the name of "free speech"
Because they are on the west's side and cave in.
because facebook follows the rules
@@TeeheeTennessy no 1 for indecent child pictures yet you say that they follow the rules? Who's rules?
No way dude has one hundred kids
WAY!
Telegram CEO admitted on camera. How he refused to give the FBI access to his platform.
The FBI doesn't need his authorization. They have the technology and means to access any platform they want 🤷🏾♂️
@@jay4you853 you overestimate the fbi capacity
My name is Drino, and I am a convicted thought criminal. I was caught in the act while committing the heinous crime of critical thinking when I posted my honest opinion which had gravely offended CZcams. My opinion was immediately arrested, charged, and sentenced to lethal deletion. I further wish to apologize to all liars, thieves, murderers, and infant fetishists to whom I caused grievous mental injury by my despicable act of Thought Terrorism.
aaaaw
Brilliant
Crybaby 😂😂😂
Critical thinking and honest reviews are seen as a threat to democracy. 😢😢
Thinking - fantasizing, more probably - and publishing are not the same acts. One is in a private space, the other the public domain. Your internal monologue will likely only turn your own melon to mush, your public ejaculations can lead to actual harm in the real world.
Don’t know the ins and outs but I’m keen to see more of this. Take their money in taxes too.
France: DO NOT TRAVEL
He was a defender of freedom of speech as far as his platform was used to criticise Russia, but when it's users started criticising Israel , well freedom of speech ended .. As usual..
This is definitely politically motivated
ah yeah, it's not because of facilitating pdf-files under the moniker of "free speech". :)
@@TeeheeTennessy Yes, arrest the people who spread it and do not blame it on platform. Should we arrest phone companies because terrorists are using the phones?
@@TeeheeTennessy I'm glad somebody else knows that it's true. The link are largely through Twitter, which clearly closes these links, not fast enough, though. There are probably many avenues?
@@bowwowrapha7790 yeah, as much as Musk claims to be a free speech absolutist, twitter still complies with the law and law enforcement. Moderation on twitter used to be a lot more aggressive but Musk killed most of it.
@@TeeheeTennessyyou have seen the sound of freedom haven’t you? It’s done on Meta mate.
To take this to an extreme, should the CEO of Toyota be charged with aiding and abetting a bank robbery if the getaway car was a Toyota?
What a childrish nonsense... did you even pay attention why he got arrested?
No, and the reasons why the analogy does not hold are obvious if you engage your melon and think it through.
Facebook CEO is American. He is a billionaire. America doesn't put billionaires in prison.
Bankers because criminals use their banks
Can u imagine mark Zuckerberg being arrested
I can dream.
The cause of justice knows no bounds.
He is from the tribe so it will be only a dream to see him being arrested
Dream come true.
Mark Zuck is a cyborg so...
You cannot have a Russian name Pavel and do what you like in the West.
It's paradoxical that many criminal activities, which would otherwise remain undisclosed, are actually exposed through social platforms, enabling them to be brought to justice.
ARREST MUSK!
For what?
It's Israel that is the problem, he got arrested for allowing leaked israeli documents on telegram, they have a lot of money, this tribe.
@@chrish9164 The same thing
@@femz6438 the same thing what? stop being so vague
@@femz6438 The same as what?
All billionaires are oligarchs.
And there shouldn’t be any of either one of them.
Putin let's him go but a classical democracy such as France arrested him and indictment him
Wow...😮 Quo vadis western world😂. ??
as someone posted on X, arrest the CEO of bic pens as i'm sure some pretty wicked things have been written with those. Ridiculous
If lbc would take responsibility, then they wouldn't have suella braverman on it
Nothing online is safe.
Why is Macron allowed to use Telegram
Because he's going to own it soon. Viva La France.
@@The_DrAstrov he reminds me of Treudau
"There is freedom of speech, but I connect guarantee freedom after speech. Idi Amin
"Free speech has limits" Justin Trudeau
Social media should be treated like any other media. Same rules and laws apply.
Any platform used for illegal purposes should be liable for making sure it isn't used that way and should have to cooperate with authorities on criminal cases involving said platform.
so should a t & t CEO be arrested because callers are discussing crimes on their network
@@denverthomas8037 trust that if such CEO was presented a warrant by a judge to release content as is the case here he would collaborate therefore would not get in trouble with law, your example does not demonstrate what you intend to prove.
@@denverthomas8037 is anyone likely to arrest the T&T CEO if people are discussing crimes on the network?
Netflix do loads of crime stuff, how have we missed their CEO being arrested?
Where do you live where such discussion would lead to an arrest?
Where I am you can be arrested for inciting violence, but not talking.
For example, you could talk about some crime in detail, but if you said "this person did it, go get them", that's difference.
But you know that really 😂
Here is a rule of thumb: if you would not write what you are writting if someone could read it then don´t write it at all
You should see what the CIA and the Government of the States had Mark Zuk doing... 😂
He has 100 kids?! 😅
France needs to make some money to pay for the debacle that was the Olympics.
You couldn't run a pub like these social media companies do and these have 100s of millions ot users
It's always about money
Dude cmon. You can make the case that the telegram guy isnt guilty of anything but at the very least you must recognize the difference between telegram and other platforms. Why are Europeans so limp wristed?
They're completely brainwashed
Russia. We're allowed to lock up Westerners.
West. We can lock up Russians too.
Russia. THAT'S NOT FAIR......
muslim raddiicals?
What is the difference? I've never used telegram, so I'm interested in your opinion.
@@skasteve6528 it's like whatsapp but more focussed on groups and channels. A lot of political figures and war crininals use it
Nothing more than WhatsApp or any other platform
My thoughts exactly 👍. I think this is being used to wake people up to the fact that freedom of speech is closed down. Who knows 👍
So if he is aiding and abetting then why aren’t Telco operators being arrested as well. It would be unrealistic to think that none of the crimes that Telegram, twitter etc are being accused of are also being carried out via the telephone system.
Did you listen to the video? Or did you not underdstand it why your comparison is wrong?
They accuse him of everything!!! They didn't miss any crime.
Try to report Fraud on NHS. Go nowhere, even if all evidence provided.
Clap for nhs
What has you reporting ''fraud on the NHS''' got to do with this?
LIAR.
Durov has French and UAE citizenships not only residency. That’s very different.
EU cleared him.
The visible grey matter degradation in these comments is extremely worrying.
You certainly think an awful lot of yourself whilst providing no demonstrable proof of your claim.
@@jabbadabbajew6035 People thinking this is a free speech issue, it's absolutely laughable. The burden of proof is on all of those here that are defending a platform that is doing nothing against pdf-files and terruuurists.
@@jabbadabbajew6035 burden of proof is on those defending a platform to do nothing against the type of content discussed in the video (i can't say it)
@@TeeheeTennessy your sentence doesn’t make sense.
@@jabbadabbajew6035 read again
I think the whole thing will be dropped on a technicality because the UAE has frozen France’s a billion Jet order
How can you take this guy seriously, if he says that Telegram has over bilion users in Europe?
I know, I laughed out loud. These are the "experts" of our time
he says it has a billion users worldwide, then says "it definitely doesn't have a billion users in Europe". As in, it's not so big in Europe.
@@TeeheeTennessy You are wrong. He did say bilion users in Europe.
@@peterrezac881 where? I couldn't find it
@@TeeheeTennessy you’re wrong buddy; he was talking about X when he said it doesn’t have a billion users in Europe
There aren't billions of people in Europe, so how are there billions of Meta users?
I love using Telegram and am very happy with it.
So?
I don't think this was relevant
What do you use it for? Then, ask yourself, "what are others doing with this platform, while I freely express my happiness"? Others are obviously enslaved and on it goes.................................................................
France owns it now.
It's like a contest which of these creeps can be the creepiest.
Facebook is doing the same thing
That is one way to boost the govt coffers😂
James ? do you really need to hide your face or at least your mouth behind that microphone thingy ? maybe you just want to see your dentist . . . . . .
I don’t find it odd that X or Meta hasn’t had warrants issued . France is after Telegram for the encryption, which X and Meta don’t have. It’s pretty much spelled out in the charges. This is a privacy issue much more than a free speech issue.
Presumably the difference is that Meta and, until now, Twitter would comply with law enforcement, no? My understanding has been that if French police wanted to subpoena Facebook and ask for details on users in some Facebook group they've played ball, yet Telegram has designed its infrastructure so that the keys to access this information are stored in different jurisdictions so they don't need to comply
Pretty much, yeah. Although this might set some legal precedent to compel other major social media networks to tighten their ships and boot out all (or at least most) of the Russian disinfo trolls.
Your comprison is wrong. Telegram is not Facebook, it is Whatsapp.
@@AKHill-gj2uy no, because the parent company is still Meta. Maybe you don't like the Facebook example, but it's not relevant. The question is, if the police know about a particular WhatsApp group and want it taken down, will Meta act?
He has 100 kids? How?😮
He and his girls do not use contraceptives. Like the Saudi royals .
Another Julian Assange?
Not at all.
He has 100 kids, so what? He can afford them, he isn’t on benefits.
A case of racketeering?
In France he has to pay a few Million to walk free, in Britain it would have cost him a few Bottles of wine and some cheese
This is farcical.
He will be on a flight to Israel or Dubai or already has left…
Yh it's called bail 🙄
The intention is to cut cost to the NHS of smoking health problem. But then you know that, and choose to present the proposal in your usual deliberately misleading manner.
With 100 children, Durov could open his own school.
No, he takes no responsibility for his actions. Teachers must be responsible adults.
Nonsense interview - the reality is that this is yet another attempt to limit information. Are they saying that if someone organises something illegal over the phone that the phone company should be sued?
I must say, in so many walks of life, I am so sick and tired of the lack of accountability. Do what you want, say what you want, but be accountable for those choices!
Damm right. We talking about government and authority in charge isn't it?
@@afrozjaaman6238 talking about all walks of life, I’m lucky that I have it in personal life, not in work life, and don’t get me started on the government!
Durov claims to have 1bn users across the world but less than 45mn in EU to stay below the level greater regulation of the company comes into effect.
TY James + Will
What a tool
That's what your mother calls you when you're not listening.
There is a lot of ignorance in the comments. The social media platforms are publishing comments from users. Just like a newspaper proprieter is responsible for the content they publish, including comment pieces, social media is responsible for the legality of what is published on their sites.
Can you write "Gaza" and "Telegram" in the same sentence in a CZcams comment that others can actually read? I'm about to find out.
reading it right now
@@TeeheeTennessy 👍
That makes no sense because I just read what you wrote.
@@The_DrAstrov Thank you. It makes sense to me because I can read your reply.
So, do telephone and cellphone network providers have similar culpability in cases where criminals plot and plane crimes over the phone?
Did you even LISTEN to what was said? It is not if criminals USE the platform, it is when law enforcment comes with a supena that they want all the data/information about an account because of illegal stuff AND THEN the platform denies that supena.
Zios back X and Meta that’s why
Starmer be like " look over there lefties!" As he runs off into the sun, with the TAX FREE PENSION! Hes organised for himself! While you lot eat dog food and spiders.
This channel is propaganda
Pure.
Send all 100 of them an amazon voucher each.
Great vid
Truth is a force of nature,NCSWICN 🥳✨🕊
So when is elon getting arrested?
For what?
No one going to ask why now..
Use the easy case to establish precedent; once done move onto the big boys who could otherwise have pumped their money into preventing the precedent being established.
Seems like James O'Brien was OK withc Durov being arrested
Of course he is.
Let’s also arrest all car makers for allowing crime to have been committed with their vehicles.
Are you a child? Because your logic is of the same mental calibre.
either he will flee or he has defected. this is a weird situation.... if I was him I would be avoiding first floors.
one is russian other is not pick and choose
i Love this tech guy .. he says the platform is not safe or secure followed by how its not .... oh wait he hasnt !
The laborious way this guest speaks is so strange ... just say it man
Hard of thinking social media users…..😂😂😂 EXACTLY!
wrong wrong wrong... meta cooperates with the govs and ... X also! even if he pretends X doesn't they did...
We have intelligence agencies actively monitoring telegram activity, since its a hot spot for the far right conversations, and conversions of the youth to that cause. As much as I dislike the other social media platforms, they are not that far gone to permit such activities to accumulate so far that people start acting dangerously. (as we witnessed recently)
Can you kindly, if you are going to speak out on a public platform and do your proper due diligence, instead of spouting some nonsense whataboutism about other social media platforms?
James continues to show himself to be a right c8t at times. Did he bring up Corbyn again by any chance? (Sorry, I realise I cannot actually listen to him anymore).
By this logic, why are they not going after the CEOs of mobile phone networks?
Did you also not listen to the video or did you not understand why your comparison is wrong?
@@DerIchBinDa I listened to the whole thing, and still lost. Can you explain it to me?
@@mrandrewlynch The problem is not that people are commiting crimes using the services/cars/whatever but that the provider of the service must give the data of its users to the law enforcment when lawfully requested, like by a supena.
And that is what Telegram is not doing, so they see people selling illegal stuff, the police wants to investigate and via the legal route requests the data of the users who allegely commited crimes.
And the provider (Telegram) is deniying this legal request.
And if you are protecting criminals you are also commiting a crime.
@@DerIchBinDa I understand. Thanks for clarifying.
British government and France are facials
Do you mean *Fascists 😂
This is glorious
No.... The heads of tech companies are facials. 😂🤣😅
I don't know wether to laugh or ask you have many Rs are in strawberry 🤣
@@David_Baxendale I don't think that's AI, I think it's just bonehead who's autocorrect just told on him 🤣
Why are all these men so...odd?
Spectrum.
They couldn't get Elon at X. So they aimed at someone else instead
Pavel is a Russian plant. Take is company. Take his money. Take his assets. Take his freedom.
Макрон прекрати мучить людей❤❤