Deathwatch Veterans Kill Team: Rules, Review + Tactics - Deathwatch Codex Strategy Guide
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Surely i can't be the only one who was massively disappointed with the new deathwatch rules
Elliot Reeves no your not the only one
Same. Deathwatch is my first army so it was really disapointing to see the new rules.
@@cincinnatus9761 The new rules are boring but quite powerful, I was certainly hoping for more flavour, having seen what all other marine chapters have received. They need to address our psychic powers for a start. Let alone adding more relics and warlord traits.
everyone is m8, its the cheapest update in the history of GW
From a screenshot I saw posted in the deathwatch fb group I'm in it seems there may be more in the works for us. Apparently we will have to wait and see, as per usual
I absolutely love the Deathwatch fluff, and like the painting of them, but honestly, the rules are so lacking. They don't really feel like the spec ops of the Astartes fraternity.
Troops with storm sheilds? Pretty nice
Raven guard does
The Storm Shields act as ablative wounds for the Terminator with Cyc and Melta Fist.
Another thing to note is with Kraken rounds, you can get rapid fire at 18". This has come into play for me more often than not.
Thinking about souping deathwatch battalion with grey knight goodness. Deathwatch troops with storm sheilds, special issue ammo, and stalker bolt rifles are the same points as strike squads. Deathwatch can take whirlwind hyperios, and chaplain dreads along with a watch master for a nasty backline castle. Drop in draigo and some grand master nemesis dreadknights turn 2 and unload all my psychic powers, and gunfire, charge anything left.
I ran GK & DW together and did not have much luck with it. Mind you I'd built more of a fluffy list than a competitive one, but GK don't get Tides and DW don't get Doctrines if you mix them. I've just had to split them up and make them separate armys.
Deathwatch! It was my first miniatures. I love them to death. Nice work man. Plz, continue the amazing work and I love your content.
Primaris kill team next week, plus hopefully a few more DW vids down the line...
@@auspextactics I would love that!
Deathwatch is my 1st and only army 😎
I'm working slowly on it the last year and a half. Like the lore and fluff around them.
My Deathwatch force has a radical ideology, they hunt for useful xenos tech and also forge secret alliances with Xenos races for the benefit of Mankind... They have a mobile Watch Fortress called Excalibur-Alpha. The have close ties with certain radical Inquisitors, Xenotech Mechanicus priests and trusted Tempestus forces...
There is actually a bit of fluff regarding deathwatch interactions with xenos. Basically Imperial and eldar forces working together against chaos but deathwatch kill teams cripple the eldar forces leading to a chaos victory. It would seem secrecy also has its downsides
Had this army primed ready for a paint for over a year. Finally got it done during lockdown. Great timing with your excellent breakdowns.
Thank you so much for covering deathwatch! I've been waiting for this
Great vid and sensible approach to constructing units. Glad to see someone trying to see its not all about competitive play.
Ooh nice vid, looking forward for more DW content!
Nice vid. As a Deathwatch player good to see someone taking a sensible approach especially with all the negativity around them following recent update. Still think they are fun to play and like video have so many options with the Veterans which adds to them.
FYI, bolter weapons for deathwatch cost the same as codex marines bolter weapons as of chapter approved 2019, so no more SIA tax
The character video is going to be a short one for sure.
One thing to add is that, if your don't need a extra storm shield, a chainsword is zero points and give you a extra free attack. So, if you need just a extra cheap warm body, a Vet with bolter + Chainsword is the best pick. Other thing is that you can give your vanguard vet 2 plasma pistols, since you main objective with it is to be able to fall back and shoot, it have more synergy than a melee focused VV.
the best part of my day was when auspex said tricks welley n stuff
Sternguard vs a default Deathwatch Vet: The Sternguard is a point cheaper, his gun is better (Range of Krak, AP of Vengeance), he gets Chapter tactics (Many of which are better than what the Mission Tactic the Deathwatch get because Lieutenants are so easy to field), and he can use Bolter Discipline which the Deathwatch can't unless he wants to give up his special ammo.
A Storm Bolter helps, as the DW Vet CAN use special ammo through one. As does the special Frag Cannon. The short of it is if you want to get the most out of DW Vets, you want to be close, have a few melee weapons, and a lot of storm bolters, sprinkle with optional Frag Canons or Combi-meltas.
Ultimately though? Debatable value, a very questionable "chapter tactic" equivalent, and a very lazy codex update that gives them no new unique anything at a time everyone else was getting it... They aren't bad, they have a niche, and can be played aggressively to that niche I'm sure they'll do well, but it's just a bit... disappointing. Like everyone else in the comments is saying.
I've used Kill Teams before, and it looks like they haven't changed. Very limited for a pure army, costs you a lot to be splashed into other armies.
Eh. 5 vets with storm sheilds and stalker bolt rifles, sia, and mission tactics are the same price as 5 grey knight strike dudes. But yea we should have gotten something unique
@@about99ninjas56 yes, but those Stikes are honestly overcosted for how easy they die, Psykers with Force Weapons. I ran 3 squads of 5 Stikes next to my DW, and they die the turn they touch the table vs any other Marine army.
i am certain that Sternguard vets are not in the codex for DW.... i mean they are a veteran ...yes but you can't use the stat sheet from the reg. spacemarine codex.... so yeah i took 10 sternguard vets and painted them to be DW but the points and weapons options have to be from the DW codex
You should do a video with new deathwatch vets, intercessors using the SIA with the new doctrines. See how the -1 effects it !
Damnit man I just watched your competitive space wolves video and now I can't decide what army to do after Custodes and 30k Blood Angels!
I think a frag cannon and melta squad out of a drop pod will put the hurt on tanks and then be able to turn on infantry if you take enough frag cannons or combi meltas
I always take the infernus heavy bolter since someone always wants to charge my units for some reason even though I'm very open with the fact I have two heavy flamers in a Squad
I rarely use that many weapons that can use special issue ammo, instead preferring melee weapons and specialist weapons. I have found that a mix of a couple of vets with storm shields and a pair of terminators with heavy weapons is a potent combo. The added durability to the squad allows them to stay in the fight longer while also still threatening targets now that the vets could also carry heavy weapons
How are troops with storm sheilds and stalker Boltguns, sia, and mission tactics not good? 5 guys 85 points, 3++, 2 30" shots, and special rules is terrible.
@@about99ninjas56 complete lack of tactical flexibility. You get ap -3 tops at 24" and you are still only strength 4, with only one damage each you're next to useless against armour. My version of that squad would be 3 with stalkers and storm shields and either 2 missile launchers or infernus heavy bolters. Increases their mission profile and maintains similar weapons range, also provides some deterrent for charging with the infernus or provides much needed ranged anti tank. If you want you can throw in a terminator with cyclone for good measure
Thanks for covering Deathwatch, my primary force so always piques my interest. Any opinion on the use of Beacon Angelis if the user comes down in a drop pod first turn? my local GW store believes it can be done but I've heard others have argued against its use out of a drop pod.
it can be done yes as long as the unit teleported by the beacon was already on the table
To extend the question, can you use Beacon Angelis after either dropping a smash captain or a captain from teleportarium?
Asking because the wording says "at the end of your movement" same as dropping from the sky or teleportarium...
@@Nobodyhells_YT yes it all happens at the end of the movement phase. The different deep striking units/droppodding/beacon can be deployed/moved in the order you want so you can sequence it to be: drop pod/disembark/beacon
Gotta look at the Master crafted warlord trait on a twin-las chaplain dreadnaught
Wondering if you can make an updated video for Deathwatch Veterans for 9th. Maybe can include how to run them in a Proteus Killteam.
Did you know youtube is showing hardly any of your playlists? took me ages to find this vid, I began thinking you didn't have any deathwatch vids.
You didn't mention one of the benefits of mixed units: combat squads. If you take 5 veterans (say, with Stalker Bolters) plus 4 Bikers and a Vanguard Vet, you can combat squad them during deployment. This gives you a 5-man backfield unit (the veterans), and a fast-moving unit (the bikers and vanguard vet) that can fall back, shoot, and charge -- but most importantly, it still has the TROOPS battlefield role (because it's still technically a Deathwatch Veterans unit), so it has Objective Secured -- unlike a normal bikers squad. You can use this same trick with a full combat squad of Vanguard Vets, Terminators, etc.
I like how they have technology that other chapters can't use then they also wield shotguns
Deathwatch are my first and only army at the moment, I'm about 750 points in and after playing a few games (with a bit of AM allies for 1k point games) it's really dawned on me just how garbage every loadout is compared to storm bolter + storm shield spam, such a waste of a cool faction and so unfluffy in my option. Not to mention not having access to a majority of regular space marine models. I think I'm gonna collect another faction instead, maybe Salamanders.
Same here! I gotten them as Christmas gifts 🎁 and currently Deathwatch killteam is my only squad I have but still love the fact that deathwatch are basically space marine special forces (specializing at killing aliens 👽)
Question: if you include a terminator in a kill team, can you use fury of the first on that unit?
Suprised you didn't bring up the Free chainswords. It's worth having a few 16 SB&Chainsword guys.
Also I like to run 1 Inferus Heavy Bolter to double up on the "on hit deal 1d3 mortal" strategems.
I also think this is one of the few Units when Combat Squads become interesting. 3 Bikes & 2 Vanguard make T5 Fast Troops that can have 2 Stormshields, fallback charge & shoot. It's squishy compared to a whole killteam, but mobile.
Can you do an updated tactics video to the modern kill team edition
Could we get a mephiston V ragnar vid?
Two questions though: 1) can the veteran squad teleport to the homer if they have terminator in the squad? I dont remember seeing that written anywhere but I'm new to 40k
Secondly if terminator has one wound from previous attacks and squad gets shot again, will you now need to use the saves from terminator even if you would rather use storm shield 3+ up? I know you need to allocate the wound to already wounded model, but do i also need to use its save?
yes. the model is taking the save
Yes and yes
For the teleport homer it says a unit with one or more terminator models, and for the other one yes you are forced to take the save on the armor/invul save of the wounded model, same goes the other way around if you only have 4 storm shields you need to take at most 4 saves at a time in them
I am a bit confuse in you videos. In previous you told about New rules say dw can use a special ammunition with rapid fire. Now you say they cant. So did his faq still work or are replace with White dwarf New rules?
They can rapid fire, they just can't use bolter discipline while firing SIA.
Is there any place to get the weapon bits outside of the kill team boxes? I am trying to do Primaris Deathwatch but where the heck am I supposed to get bits without buying 4-5 5 man kill teams?
Well you can find them on bits resellers sites, craigslist and places like that I think.They're usually cheap
My personal list is
Transports
2 x blackstars built for close combat
2 x repulsors
HQ
1 x watchmaster
2 x watch captains
1 x chaplain
Troops
3 x 5 man deathwatch veteran squads built with storm bolter and shield.
1 x 5 man heavy weapons veteran squad.
2 x intercesor squads; 5 intercessors 2 aggressors and 1 hell blaster.
The plan is to use the blackstars to drop off the veteran squads on the enemy. While the intercessor squads hold the backfield objectives.
3 Drop Pods with 28 Vets with SB/SS and a Watch Master and Libby dropping turn 1 can be so disgusting. Took out 2 Demon Princes and Fate Weaver. Was so sweet to taste those tears !
is this really for KT aswell?
Deathwatch vets :D
What’s the difference between veterans and just normal soldiers?
Veterans have proved themselves exceptionally good at killing aliens, and have bern hired by the Deathwatch to put their skills to use. Being funded by the inquisition, they get all the fun toys.
+1Ld and Attack. Access to all Special Weapons. Elites not Troops usually, but Troops in the case of Deathwatch.
Game: "kill team"....
Me: that's not the same!!
Bikers? In Killteam? Since when?!
you said the main reason u would use them is coz of the ammunition. but dont sternguard veterans have that too?
You can’t combine Storm Bolter with Cyclone Missile Launcher, because you are replacing your Storm Bolter for a Heavy Terminator Weapon
How my blood boiled when I found out the bolter/power sword combination depicted on the box and codex art wasn't legal 😡
It is legal though
@@hammer1349 Is it? Because i've already assembled 10 vets in this configuration and pretty miffed about the whole thing tbh
That is a perfectly legal option.
@@edcoughlan1035 it says you can take 2 items from the weapons list and a power sword and boltgun are both in that list. It's only split into ones you can take 2 of and and ones you can only have 1 of as to stop a vet having 2 special weapons or combi's