Kill Team Deathwatch Full Guide - Most Flexible Compendium Team!
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- Deathwatch Veteran Kill Team faction guide breakdown.
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0:00 Intro
1:16 Tac Ops
1:51 List Building
2:21 Why Play Deathwatch
2:59 Ploys
6:19 Equipment
9:51 Datasheets
25:27 Example List
26:14 Hobby
31:27 Fin.
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Due to just how many loadouts Deathwatch can take, my thoughts on some of the loadouts might differ from yours. Tell me your thoughts!
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Very nice video but I am just reading Compendium and cannot see this 6th guy in DW Kill Team. I states Sergeant and 4 operatives veterans. Same as in t book on your video background. Can I please confirm how many it should be then: 5 or 6? The box of miniatures is 5 though.
I'm curious since the change to grenades do you think its worth taking the Heavy Flame/Bolter with the rig or keep Frag canon and run a purity seal?
Hello sir, I am back again after a long break! Is this still relevant in 2023? Emperors blessings
I’m a big advocate for the Frag cannon. A Frag-vocate, If you will.
@@mechaplatypus82 I do what I can 😉
Incroyable.
I've been maining DW since Kill Team released and really enjoyed your breakdown here. You can do a lot of really fun things with them. The only advice I'd give is going ahead and settling 100% on a melee Sergeant with a storm shield. Take whatever melee weapon you want, you typically dont need a power fist. Reason being, if you're charging into 7 wound models, their melee (generally) sucks. So you just open with a Stormshield parry, that takes care of their (likely) just two successes and then you burn em down with whatever weapon you think looks the coolest. If you're charging into models with more wounds than that, you're not 1-shotting anyway. Really like the xenophase blade here. For fluff but also because with 5 attacks on 2s, you're rarely missing so you have that initial parry with the stormshield to help keep you alive, and 3-4 hits leftover for the kill. Add on a krak grenade and you've got a genuine murder machine.
I am really awaiting an FAQ/Balance update that lets me take a stormshield and plasma pistol on my fighter. It's just such a cool looking load out, I'm sad its not a legal build.
Bold. Couraeous. Astute.
GHD in a nutshell. Thanks for this
Thanks for watching! Going forwards, hopefully I can get real nitty and gritty about some spec teams :)
You can't use transhuman, it's primaris only. Other than that, great video. The combo of lethal 5+ and storm shield shouldn't be undestimated for increasing the chance of the double saves, nor should the importance of having two Grav guns on your list for elite teams.
Incroyable.
Yes, I’m listening to these in sequence, and yes I’m avoiding housework, but it’s really fun seeing how we play both of these teams very differently. When people say that Kill Team is boring, I say it’s less interesting strategically, but more interesting tactically.
"these in sequence" referring to the 3 patreon videos I released all on the same day, of course!
@@GlassHalfDead Of course! It’s not just hellos you get for being a Patreon, but also early access!
Thanks Glass! Vengeance rounds are also great against Warpcoven marines since it negates the “All is Dust” ability. Situational, but situational is DW’s defining feature.
Great point! Honestly, I didn't sing the praises of Vengeance Rounds enough. They're a great choice!
Currently in the process of kitbashing a deathwatch/traitor marine team. The two teams mesh very easily. Great video.
You can easily go either side of the loyalty divide with any marine team. It's pretty good if you're not into the spiky boys or vice versa!
I play Custodes. So I didn’t understand any of this, but I enjoyed every last second. God bless you sir.
My boys in black! Back in the spotlight!
We sadly cannot use transhuman as thats primaris only!
@@onceuponakillteam-sean Yup! Should have edited that out, but luckily I end up saying it's not particularly important xD
Yes! Thank you, Glass!
Thank you, inquisitor!
This is such a helpful video. It's really helped my list building. Thanks!
The shotgun isn't only 6" range. It has access to the same 4/4 ammo the bolt-on does
Yup, should have edited that bit out, especially as I have the rules right there on screen. Doesn't really change my final thoughts on loadouts though!
@@GlassHalfDead it's fair not liking it. It doesn't make use of bolter discipline.
Hilarious but also really informative. Appreciate it.
Circle Hello! Overall a good faction focus.
Transhuman Physiology only works on Primaris marines, which the Deathwatch Veteran Kill Team can’t be.
Oh yes a great point and a huge oversight. Luckily I never use it xD
@@GlassHalfDead on of my wishes if DW ever get a white dwarf is that they get to be primaris (with those sweet, sweet extra wounds) and transhuman gets baked into the datasheet as their "we usually give you a ploy for free when we update your team" thing that seems to happen. Because yea... otherwise its just not worth.
I have a loadout against each type of team. Was hoping we'd get a DW bespoke team. Maybe someday.
Thanks I took my watch Sargeant with storm shield and Xenoblade and made him a king slayer
Thank you this was great!!
Made me a subscriber with this one!!
Happy to hear it!
Speaking to the hobby element, it's pretty EZ to use Primaris models for some of the loadouts - Bladeguard Vets can easily look like their wielding Stormshields / Plasma Pistols + Power Swords; Hellblasters = Plasma. Some of the Primaris chapter heroes look really cool too. Kayvaan Shrike if you really want a fighter with twin lightning claws. The biggest drawback is it makes drawing LoS a LOT easier for your opponent lol.
How? As long as you put them on 32mm bases drawing LOS works exactly the same as if you used regular DW Vets
Taking JUST 6 models of DW isn't a great idea.
DW has loadouts for two ways of playing - either 3xplasma + Frag list or 3xstormbolter + IHBolter based on bolter-discipline (where you trade high plasma dmg for shooting twice - which COULD be better option against low HP horde teams). And sure, melee options are nice, but as we know, you don't want to trade in melee, not with Wounds DW models have, so it isn't actually that wise to always go with close combat loadouts..
That means you SHOULD be using wider roster and pick your 6 guys to best deal with faction you are fighting against. And since you have 20 slots, you can go with list like this:
3x DW Warrior [DW boltgun & power weapon]
3x DW Warrior [Stormbolter & fists]
1x DW Gunner [plasma]
1x DW Gunner [melta]
1x DW Heavy Gunner [frag cannon]
1x DW Heavy Gunner [ihbolter]
1x DW Fighter [stormshield & power weapon]
1x DW Fighter [stormshield & power fist]
1x DW Fighter [plasma pistol & power weapon]
1x DW Fighter [inferno pistol & power weapon]
1x DW Watch Sergeant [plasma pistol & xenophase blade]
1x DW Watch Sergeant [storm shield & xenophase blade]
1x DW Watch Sergeant [storm shield & power fist]
1x DW Watch Sergeant [heavy thunder hammer]
1x DW Watch Sergeant [plasma gun]
1x DW Watch Sergeant [DW boltgun & power weapon]
That allows you to deploy anything between plasma packed squad, full-bolter discipline friendly squad and all choices in between.
Ofc, magnetizing your actual models (most important are Sergeant and Fighter) drastically decreases amount of work.
ps. Transhuman ploy is for Primaris only, you don't need to mention it with DW ;)
It makes sense to use a full roster if you can afford to (or have the desire to do the extra work of magnetization) but imho it might be more useful to take 6 Primaris marines instead of a bunch of things you're unlikely to ever use.
Taking your favorite (or best gap filler based on meta) pattern of Phobos marines so you're jamming up the board with Reivers, using the smoke grenade options, or ignoring cover boltguns seems like it'd be a much better use of your last six slots vs like Deathwatch with stormbolter etc
@@Crushanator1 thing is, DW allows you to mix and match with their options. Do you need powerfist and shield? Check. Do you need 2 plasma guns? Checks. Perhaps you want to field mix of power weapons and boltguns (aka nearly-grey-knights)? Check. Sure, they won't get smoke nade or helix gauntlet.. but in my opinion having numerous choices gives them advantage over any phobos compendium fireteam (and over standard tactical marines as well).
As for ignore cover vs relentless.. you lost me a bit there. I mean, enemy won't have 1 guaranteed def dice vs re-roll any or all of your attack dice? That's not even a question.
- incursor version (with no cover) will get you on average 0.64 crit and 2.01 normal hit, which translates to raw dmg of 8.60 (vs Df3, Sv4 average unsaved dmg is 4.36)
- infiltrator version (with lethal5+) will get you on average 1.32 crit and 1.33 normal hit, raw dmg of 9.27 (vs the same profile unsaved dmg is 5.20, with cover bonus unsaved dmg 4.53)
- stormbolter (thx to relentless) will get you average 0.88 crit and 2.68 hit, raw dmg 11.57 (unsaved dmg 6.85, with cover bonus unsaved dmg 5.70)
and then, if you still wanted "no cover" option, then you can as well go with basic DW bolter that gets it on dragonfire rounds..
This is great for a full roster, but I think GHD's goal was to provide a simple list to play with some options and brief explanations.
I was just scrolling through to find such a list. This is awesome. Just getting started and love this.
I got 8 assault boys from the imperium magazine and used my left over bits from veteran kit on them. They look great. Just a shame that I won't get round to using most of them
How come I am not shocked that GW corrected being able to take a power weapon and bolter on the sergeant but never corrected being able to take a Combi/Boltgun and a Xenophase blade. You know the armament the sergeant has on the box.
Incroyable.
don't be wack, don't do crack. that's like a 90s don't do drugs campaign slogan. lol
It'll be interesting to see what the Phobos Strike Team's Auspex does.
Great video, but would it not be better to make the leader the shield/powerfist guy, and take another normal warrior instead of the fighter? and I have to ask, why not use the gravgun for heavy armored targets? criting on 4s would make it hard to save even with invuns.
I've been considering converting some DW veterans and some other space marine bits to make this team as my own custom successor chapter for funsies. Can't decide if I wanna do that or just paint them as DW.
@Glass Half Dead With the new grenade rule would you take infernus bolter over frag cannon seeing as you'll have extra ep to spare for suspensor system? Would you consider stalker boltgun at all?
I sort of agree with your conclusions, and sort of don't.
My rule of thumb is that if the opponent has 8 wounds or less, I go bolter heavy. Doesn't matter if this is Guard or 'Quins. You just need 2 dice to go through with vengeance rounds (or a power sword for melee) and you get a kill. For this kind of opponent I will go bolter and sword on the sarg, and probably forgo the gunner and fighter for more warriors. Add in the IHB with suspensors and bolter discipline each round.
For 9 or more I tend to follow your advice a bit closer. plasma gunner, plasma pistol on the sarg and fighter, frag canon on the heavy and keep CP for rerolls.
Now this is the content I LOVE!!
Wanting to use the exact kill team that Glass Half Dead suggests at the end of the video, can i get this all in one box? If so which box.
Thanks ❤
If I want my Deathwatch Killteam to use the new Primaris sculpts, which of the current Primaris kits offers all the nessesary parts (adding a Deathwatch upgrade spread) to have the option for all loadouts?
Would you ever forgo the fighter and just take on another bolter and power weapon?
Its kinda wild that the frag cannon doesn't have heavy
With most teams having +3 saves. Why not take the grav weapons?
There's been an update so I can take 6 deathwatch operators? Can you give me the source? All I can find says 1 sergeant and 4 operators.
Can take transhuman can’t be used because they are not Primarus
True!
What would you say about a full-bolter list into horde teams? 2 Warriors with swords&boltguns, one with Storm Bolter, Gunner with a combi-plasma, Infernus Heavy Bolter, and a sergeant with sword&boltgun. The idea is to maximize Bolter Discipline and hit as many targets as you can. Note that it's only one combination out of the 15-man roster I'm building (or rather theorycrafting), so I'll have other options if I need them.
Im super new to Kill Team and just love the idea of Deathwatch Faction/model line. Do you know where I could find a full roster as a good starter. Trying to figure out what all I need and need to build.
@@3dsneaky wahapedia.
why can't you take 5 veteran warriors? It says 'select four (now 5) Deathwatch Veterans from the following list' and at the bottom it says 'other than Deathwatch Veteran Warrior operatives, your kill team can only include one of each. It doesn't say anything about having to include a gunner and heavy gunner
So which 3 models get the Krak Grenades?
I’m fairly new to kill team why would you take a grenade when you can already have a ranged weapon ?
A grenade gives you a 6" one use weapon, but it doesn't replace your weapon. The big benefit is that it gives you access to a weapon with the Indirect special rule. This allows you to count a target as having an engage order when you shoot them (so you can shoot them in cover on a conceal order) which is very powerful.
:P
That was funny.
Deathwatch doesn’t have primaris keyword for transhuman right?
Very correct. I just get carried away in my excitement!
Transhuman is for Primaris only i'm afraid.
For sure, got that wrong even when I had the rules right there :P
You should have noticed you can't use transhuman on firstborn)
I get caught up in the moment when recording videos!
Doesn’t the crypt ammo for the shot gun not have a range?
That's correct!
@@GlassHalfDead oh, I got confused because you said “the shotgun only hits from 6 inches”
@@majespectorkuro8630 I probably just got it wrong. This video was a while ago xD
So… does this mean plasma is actually imbalanced?
I believe so, yes. It's not a game breaker, but it definitely could be tweaked. But it really doesn't NEED to be. It's more a case of plasma is the right choice in 90% of scenarios, but the other weapons have very niche uses where they're better... but when making a TAC list I don't care about the 10%
It's really annoying that we can't mix unit types. Like why can't we have any non-gravis/termi infantry be part of our kill team like 1st? Makes half of these ploys unusable unless we mod the game to be 2v2 teams.
I’m really hoping we get a primaris DW bespoke team with gravis, phobos and tactical armour types.
'Clutch'............ urghhhhhhhhhhhhh gods I'm old and PLEASE stop saying silly words!!!
I find the zoomer words funny!
How the hell can you proxy Guard as Marines? Whatever you're smoking, you need to lay off it for a while. Honestly, if the fluff and game background is so meaningless to you you're just playing checkers. I challenge your vague (like really vague) version of the word "theme". To quote Inago Montoya, I don't think that word means what you think it means..
I think wyrmblade is the best team to use if you want to get tanith on the board. Model some cloaks on some scrubs to fill out the rest of them and you're all good.
An elite kill team. Deathwatch, Gaunt's Ghosts. Do what makes you happy. Don't tell other people to stop doing what makes them happy. Simple stuff.
I do generally agree though that Wyrmcult is such a brilliant team for proxying, better than marines. I will bring all of that up when I eventually cover them, but I suspect you won't be happy with my thoughts as it involves... well, normal proxying :P
Also I'm smoking crack and it's classy.
@@GlassHalfDead I could see deathwatch working if you thought of the extra wounds as plot armor. I'm all for weird proxies as long as my brain can sort them out and I could probably get behind your suggestions. I went the other way with my Ghosts and converted them *into* wyrmblade. Lot of really easy 1:1 stand ins there with a few weapon swaps
I have 15 or so Lamenters Veteran models which could represent most of the loadouts suggested; fluff wise I remember reading about an all-Lamenters Kill Team on the Fandom Wiki. I can field both bolter spam and majority plasma/power weapon lists but need to build a couple of shield carrying options to properly round out a 20 model roster. It's tempting, even if only from a purely hobby aspect. So. Much. Yellow.