Toyota GR Yaris vs Celica GT-Four ST205 - Shootout OLD VS NEW | Fifth Gear
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- In this brand new video, exclusive to CZcams, it’s a new Toyota vs old Toyota shootout, can the brand new GR Yaris outgun a performance legend of the 90s - the mighty Celica GT-Four ST205? Jason hits the track to find out.
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In this brand new video, exclusive to CZcams, it’s a new Toyota vs old Toyota shootout! Comment with what OLD VS NEW cars you'd like us to test in the future...
Nissan 350z vs New Nissan Z car
I'm not sure which new McLaren would be appropriate against the F1, but any of them would be enjoyable, I think. Maybe the F1 LM vs the P1 GTR?
I would like to see the yaris gt vs the megane rs trophy r.. that would be a interesting race.
What tires did the st205 have?
AE86 VS GT86
Everyone: The GR Yaris is amazing
People in USA: The GR Yaris will be amazing in 25 years
The boycott starts today.
Hhhh true story ... poor US market
15 years for Canada 🇨🇦 and even that feels too long 🥺
Guess my ST205 will need to live for 25 years till I get the yaris lol
Toyota themselves have said that there will be a corolla version coming to the states with same drivetrain
Great to see my Celica being driven like it should be. My totally stock ST205 was always going to lose to the Yaris but when you think she's very nearly 27 years old now and 98K miles on the clock I think she did me proud :)
Yes it did, looked great, lovely colour...
You might've had a similar Celica but this one wouldn't have been yours.
Mate id much rather your celica any day of the week old skool all the way plus a decent gt four is 8-10k and the yaris is 30k tell them to give you th 20k to put in the celica and then we see who wins 🤣
@@azlean5323 It is my Celica, I own it right now.
@@meirionmatthias I'm not sure about that 🤔
The celica is such a beautiful/aggressive design. Happy to see Toyota making some fun cars again!
Not in the USA .
@@noway57 haha
@@noway57 Well you guys get the 400Z, we get this, that seems quite fair
@@adelaide7822 I think Europe is also getting the Nissan 400Z.
@@JuanGarcia-zq5tp no we aren't afaik
I thought background music was meant to be in, well, the background.
volume is all over the place, i think they let a toddler do the audio
Anything that drowns out the sound of someone saying "sleeka" instead of celica.
Well said mate
Voice level; Normal
Music: HIGH
What music is it?
@@wzki.4343 Loud music
I had to turn on captions lol
We know this car and owner well over on CelicaClub ,and was a brave move to let Mr Plato loose in it! Its a UK car and has been very well maintained and gone through top to bottom by the owner,and bear in mind it is not only pretty much 27 years old but is also totally stock. "EPB" was also the very same car originally used by a certain Mr Clarkson on a certain other popular car programme,in an old 90s road test with the Ford Escort Cosworth.
of fundamental important are the tires. what did it wear?
Im also very interested in the tires it had on this Test. And also if all the horses where still under the bonnet.
@@99Lezard99 As it's on stock rims, the tyre shape is a bit weird, I ended up switching them out for 7th gen 17s. Quite possible that the tyres you can get for it are not as good as the Yaris.
I remember admiring this ST205 at the classic car show in Birmingham last year. Beautiful car!
@@jacoja06 They were different times eh!!!!!!
I'd love to see what a simple tire and wheel swap would do for that Celica. Ideally, the same ones on the Yaris, but at least the closest that will fit.
4 seconds gain at most I reckon.
@@arunmfive still a lot
I think the biggest gain would be seen by swapping the suspension. Did you see the body roll on that thing?
@@HepauDK body roll isn't necessarily a bad thing. It was basically necessary for mehcanical grip back in the 90's when tyre tech wasn't quite what it is now. Too rigid a platform and you'd just promote loss of traction.
@@HepauDK I do believe the it is a rally car. to strong a rollbar and it wont go over bumps well.
I love the new Yaris... but I would take the celica without even thinking about it. There’s just smt about late 90s early 00s Japanese cars. They are so fucking cool
totally agree mate! that was the golden era of japanese cars
The Celica GT4 ST205 is fcking better, hands down. It's just sent from the factory severely restricted, waiting for you to unleash its potential.
Yes sir. I don't know what's wrong with these auto journalist.
@@caribbeangtr8077 auto-journalist...? Jason Plato is a BTCC driving legend. He's been racing at the top of the game since probably before you were born. Be quiet lol.
@@TomoHawKzZ He could be jesus christ. The boost levels are ridiculously far apart. 7 psi vs 30psi. Turn the GT4 to 30 psi and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. LOL
composer: "what music do you need for this piece?"
Audio Director: "please rip off that dj hyper cyperpunk trailer as close as possible!"
I was thinking the exact same thing! 😂
Cyperpuke more like meanwhile in gran turismo sport 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
Great vid 👍 I own a ST205 and standard they are quite tame. In my opinion Toyota was reserved with the setup of the customer version of the car to make it easy to live with & safe for everyone. But with a few tweaks its not hard to unlock the real power of the GT-Four's 3s-GTE and chassis.
The antilag comes presinstalled and needs only be activated, the boost turned up, and you have a car thats comletitive in rally to this day.
Background music 5 times as loud as voice. what the F'ing F.
And so unevenly balanced, louder in some parts, quieter in others. What a mess.
Would have been more dramatic to have had more in car camera shots showing the steering wheel "hacking" , views of corner entry/exits and just the sound of the tyres and engines. The slow motion shots and junk music didn't enhance this video at all.
Whoever edits the clips is stuck in the 90’s thinking loud is good, shouting is good. The new brand on influencers on U-tube make what I take will be a so called professional team to make this clip look like amateurs. Even the camera wok is second class to what some expect today. But yes let’s put music that’s annoying on at level you can’t follow what is being said 👏👏👏👏 to whoever. Time Fifth Gear had a wee rethink on the team being the lens.
@@SWR112 Only pass I could give them is if they are editing the video on a laptop or something with tiny little speakers with very limited range, it's hard to tell the difference between crazy loud and not so loud volume levels because you might have volume cranked and tiny speakers only get so loud anyways.
If they had proper studio monitor speakers with even 50 watts pushing them, the difference between voice level and music level would be much more apparent. That's why people watching on their phones or laptops don't notice anything wrong sometimes.
But still that's no excuse, they can watch the level meters in the editor. Guaranteed that voice is -10 db and the music is +2 db or something crazy like that.
I happened to watch on my home theater with 7.1 channel Yamaha Aventage RX-A880 receiver and the music is crazy loud, and voice is very soft. I could fix this entire vid in about ten minutes in my simple cheap video editor. Their new video is the same way. Same guy or girl editing these and doing a terrible job. Music doesn't even need to be there most of the time let alone overpowering the guy's voice. SMH
The "Cyberpunk" themed song: Vidjanny Santo - Danger Snow
I'm 25 years old and still prefer the Celica GT Four
true such a timeless design
Friend had one in highschool when they were only a few years old. Heavy not too fast but cool.
Yep but it’s cool to see Toyota going back in that direction again
@@stefan_4508 they really arent though as seen by the gt86 launch, then the "supra" launch, they really dont know what they are doing
@@cj09beira yeah only the yaris gr is an really awesome car. i like the gt86 but it lacks power, every golf gti is faster and nearly every bmw is faster in the straight line.
the supra man i was hyped as fuck-.. then i saw the nürburgring laptimes... 10sec slower than the civic typ r for 50% more money....
This is the car of 2020. It’s pretty much everything a car enthusiast could want. I love it. The Golf R is a borefest next to this.
Except it’s ugly as all hell. No serious self respecting sports car enthusiasts would bother buying one. Go buy a ss camaro or mustang gt and spend 30k on a real car worth driving
@@nickmyers3681 😂😂😂😂😂 shut up.
So I did Very Important Math - it seems 30 years of technical improvement give 7 seconds, so the going rate is 1 second per 4.3 years!
Power to weight is the most important bit of math to begin this comparison.
Assuming the growth rate is linear
We gotta pump them numbers up!!!
Who knows what tyres ST205 had on it - should have really put a set of 4S's on it just as what GR Yaris runs.
@@warboyrb I was thinking the same exact thing.. How old were the tires and think about it it's on old suspension bushings. And look at the difference in the breaks..
And I forgot,a big thanks to the Fifth Gear team from all of us for giving him a great day's experience.
I'd take the old Celica ST205 any day!
Just because it’s old??😂😂😂
@@zakhassan I don't remember saying why I'd take it.
@@zakhassan My comment just says I'd take it over the Yaris GR any day.
When did Plato become a farmer? Love his reviews.
He's been watching Brian Johnsons car series
Plato liked potatoes
@@tinhinnh Jason Potato. Baked Potato.
One of those farmers with a white Range Rover, judging by that watch.
A young Mr Metcalf😉
Who did the audio editing on this video?
I can barely make out what JP is saying!
I'd still have the Celica! It looks sooo good! Just put a nice set of rally wheels, lowered suspension and a big exhaust and it's good to go!
Then you just have a loud slow Celica lol
@@MichelleGriffin1973 and how is that a problem?
@@MichelleGriffin1973 wrc is insanely faster.
Toyota has built some amazing machines especially in the 90’s. This new GR Yaris is the best Toyota product made in the last decade or so, wish I could get my hands on one! 👍
GR Yaris - Mr Plato seems to really love it, he sure knows his stuff too!
Of course the reviewer loves the newer car, that the manufacturer is trying to sell. If he said otherwise he'd run the risk that the Toyota wouldn't loan him any more cars to review.
I can assure the conspiracy poster that's waiting for his Mum to make him his dinner,it is Meirion's actual car.The production team asked the CelicaClub for a suggestion of a members suitable car to loan for the day,and this one with its condition in unmodified trim,was ideal.Well done for letting Mr Plato throw it around for a bit of entertainment.Which is what these comparisons are really about.
Entertainment exactly. Jason Plato didn't push my old girl to anywhere near the same extent as he did the Yaris. I don't know if that was just his respect for an older car or the fact that I had mentioned "contract killing" before he drove it 🤣
@@meirionmatthias Respect for keeping it so clean! Are you from the west country area by chance because I swear ive seen this either at Combe before or on the road in and around bristol area
@@mrblackrock555 Thank you mate. My first time at Combe and she lives in North Wales, never been down your way before. Someone else must be.
@@meirionmatthias Ah right. Obviously ive seen one pretty close to yours then :)
AM Cars in Ilminster have a minty one as well so you might’ve seen that one knocking about?
Jason....I love having you back on Fifth Gear ! And thank you for fantastic comparison :)
Quality chat with Jonny on the Late Brake Show....Funny as F%^K..Ha !
we dont need music in this kind of video
Can't say I'm surprised. 25 year gap in technology, I would hope the Yaris could do more with less and modern technology. Still feel like there needs to be more factors brought into play for a proper comparison though.
Both of my dreamcars together, it's just amazing. Loved the comparison
Yaris is great, but celica is a piece of art. :) Love that old beauty.
In german sportauto they tested the GR vs the Mini in Hockenheim. The Mini was around 8 sec slower....
There are so many mini's. 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's, 20's? And of them what model?
That's kind of what happens when a FWD car tries to take corners, yeah.
Yes, yes, yes please more of Mr Plato on a track. New vs old series would be so good to watch.
Audio volume really needs work on this.. from quiet TO COMPLETELY LOUD
I stick to my Celica, even if it is only a 202 :)
0-60 in 45 seconds! When well kept, it always turns heads though
@@MichelleGriffin1973 i think you're missing a "." On that 45 sec.. i think you meant 4.5 sec 😂😂.
Anyways my stock st202 can still do a good 6 sec 0 to 60
@@nicolejhondelacruz9339 A stock GT won’t do 0-60 in 6 seconds, the GT4 does it in 6.3 seconds from factory. GT is 7.9 secs to 60.
I have both (lightly modified Gr Yaris Circuit for daily, highly modified ST205 for track) and the Yaris is so short and planted it's unbelievable down twisty A-roads... However the sound of an old school big boosty turbo cannot be beaten!
Brilliant video and another new subscriber 👍
Old School Celica People: "Did you turn up the boost in that 3SGTE?"
Small track, shorter gearing in the Yaris, would help make it abit more agile in this scenario.
As well as expecting some HP to be lost if that's a stock Celica without modifications.
Despite longer gears and thus slightly slower to spool the turbo, it still did pretty well, and might put up a better fight on a track where it can stretch its legs.
I really adore 90s toyota design. Sleek shark head like front design celica and supra in mind. Such a contrast with current toyota design.
I really wish toyota would give the 90s celica body the updated technology it deserves. I hate the design of the yaris it's so boring and basic. Kind of looks like something your grandmother would drive. They should have never discontinued the Celica
Great video, not surprised at the result. I took my Celica GT-Four around Castle Combe many years ago, just happen to have a fun video of that on my CZcams channel.
Great content. Music too loud though.
1.17 is a great time for a lap of Castle Combe in a stock car.
There is that Plato smile he keeps for when he is in something he really enjoys driving.
Nice video FG!
@Yotota: daytime running lights is not only front lights, but rear too!
All guys from audio has allready started a christmas holidays? How did audio mixing went? 😁
Me watching videos of the GR Yaris in the states is like scrolling the instagram page of a girl I'm in love with who lives in a different country
fo real tho.. ;(
as an american rwd celica owner this car has no appeal to me. if i want to drive something ugly i'll just get in my truck
Good to see JP on track, loving the Yaris to.
Video would've been better if they made Plato's voice and the engine sound from the cars as loud as the music lol.
But great driving and review from Plato as always.
I think a new M4 vs the E63 chassis M6 shootout would be nice.
Stressed me out how he says Sega Rally 😂
If that stressed you out, then you're a bit soft.
....... Girly boy 😉
I always thought everyone called it say-ga rally he's the first I've ever heard saying see-ga, it's like Americans with the Toyota they say sell-ica where UK/Irl is said see-lica 😂😂
@@TheBlueCorolla did you get them mixed up, everyone I know says "Sell ee Ka" "see lica" sounds super American!?
Im aussie, never heard it pronounced any way except see gah.
As fr the celica, it should be sellicka. Japanese has no stresses on individual letters.
@@sugarnads except every one of there adverts said it as "say gah"
And the intro to sonic too.
czcams.com/video/PIBmBy9APaU/video.html
Is this a all new fifth gear or has it been on TV?
I loved playing Seeger rally on my Seeger Saturn, I remember when it started up and the voice would say "Seeger". Happy days.
Two amazing cars...fun and fun.
Id still take the celica 🤣
Me too
Yup easily make that Celica 400hp with some bolt ons and it won't be an ugly gay Yaris lol
Hype Tempo But celicas are ugly and gay as well though. Fat also. Modding both cars is like polishing turds.
Surprise surprise, the new, more powerful Yaris with its new turbo, engine and AWD technologies is faster than the 25 year old ST205 😂😂😂
Good video but give the ST205 a remap, new suspension and new tyres and the results would be a hell of a lot closer.
You can't remap the OEM ecu. You have to buy a boost controller, and 3 inch exhaust for stage 1 gains.
Yes just slap a stage 1 map on the old classic like all the new modern cars lmfao who needs parts nowadays hey
@@jaybarrick117 - yes you’re right. You can’t. But then the newer technology ecu in the Yaris is not the same as what is in the ST205 is it? So yeah, throw an ecu on it such as a Link or (to a lesser extent) Power FC which both can do more than the standard ECU and see where it goes.
@@Chr15py_ No point putting on an aftermarket ECU if you're not building the engine.
The 3SGTE is fine upto 300bhp after this forged pistons and bigger injectors are needed for more power. I have the same engine in my MR2 at 400bhp+
@@odin5188 - don’t entirely agree with you. It’s true and not true. My Mr2 turbo originally had 279bhp on standard internals with a LinkG3 ecu and only ran 1.0bar...a smidge more than standard and ran it until I wanted more. It had more capability for monitoring the engine and how it ran and it was bloody quick! Had two years of nice, 1bar fun until I put a mild hybrid on it and decided that new internals would be an idea. In final guise, mine made a nice safe 336bhp.
Was it worth adding a Link G3 to my “stock” Rev 3 turbo only to run a little more boost than standard? Absolutely! I didn’t have any intention to build it at the start lol.
But anyway this isn’t what this is about. I still think that if you added an aftermarket ecu and had a good mapper program it with sensible boost and parameters, m it would still be closer than it was in this.
Would love to see the difference is when they’re on the same tyres
I love the sound track used in 1:50.
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1-14-2021
Can’t wait for my little GR to arrive next year
got mine a week ago ... and it is an amazing "little" car
Me too but in malaysia we have to wait till 2021.
@@hoomee7605 still faster than us mericans
@@willyw197 congratulations ⚡️
1:17 is as fast as a Cayman GTS... :D
I loved a bit of "Seeega" Rally back in the day :D
But Sega Rally for real, I bought my Gen 6 Celica GT because of that game- never quite made it to a Lancia Delta Integrale though..
The cheeky bonus stage on sega rally. Someone was sweating to get there.
Take it easy with the music FFS
Can we get an edited version with no background music?
Not surprised at all. More power, shorter gearing, smaller faster spooling turbo, faster revving engine, probably a bit lighter frame too. Let's not forget awd system... Great little car for sure, and in proper hands a true track weapon too!
That is the EXACT same colour of my ST205 GT4 I owned (and loved) when I lived in Japan over 10 years ago. Such a lovely car to drive. Much more a GT car though, as I am sure those who have owned/driven them would agree. The 3SGTE is a sensational motor, and really woken up with a dump pipe off the turbo (deleting the enormous primary cat), and a boost controller set to 1.2 bar. The water/air intercooler on these provide much more flow than the equivalent air/air intercoolers on the MR2s. Sadly, the heavy FWD torque split of the AWD system and the tiny clutch that just starts to melt when you try to launch it do take the fun away. But driven briskly at 8/10 they are superb and oh so smooth. I must admit, I do wonder why they run a brand spanking Yaris GR (25 years newer) against a stock ST205 GT4 - like in some way they don't know the outcome - old vs new is always a cool comparo, but give respect to the GT4 where it's deserving. How about a new M3/M5 vs a 25yo E36 M3/E39 M5? The difference would be an absolute destruction...perhaps requiring time lapse on the cameras to wait for the older M car to catch up! Again, not dissing the older M cars; they too have a magic analogue appeal about them, and are a fantastic driver's car!
Rx7 vs Rx8 R3
Can’t believe no one has done this yet.
Because the outcome would be obvious.
The RX8 R3 is an awful car and isn't a performance car by any stretch of the imagination.
Right... have you ever been to a track? Have you ever driven purposeful cars? Most head to head content up here these days are obvious silly, but people still post videos.
Honestly your comments has no weight. But appreciate your opinion.
@@caszzxs4104 I'm right, the RX7 was a true sports car, the RX8 is not a true sports car at all. The two can't be compared.
"seager rally"
c'mon plato, you're not so old you have that little clue how to pronounce SEGA are you? XD
Came here to say this. Glad someone beat me to it! :D
That's the way everyone pronounced it when I had a Master System 2.
I am a huge Sega fan and always pronounce it 'say ga' but I have often heard people calling it 'sea ga'. The problem lies in its origin as it's birth was in Hawaii as an American company before being moved to Japan and becoming service games which was shortened to Sega. Complex history and many people pronounce it differently, I just pronounce it as I heard it on sonics intro or the ads back in the day.
I had an ST-185 CS tarmac targa rally car in Australia, great fun and we won some silverware with it! Wish I could afford the Yaris!
I wish we got the GR in the States at all, even though I can't afford it!
Thats progress 👏🏼
Why does the background music become three times louder than the voice whenever the guy stops talking?
To loud music. :(
This is the first time i prefer the new one instead of the older,that "Yaris" is a little bomb
First Fifth Great video I've watched.. They still edit like it's 2003 but let's see how this goes
While outcome was rather predictable, to be fair: What was the condition of bushing, shock absorbers and so on the old gal?
Maybe that was the leftovers from Bad Obsession Motorsport - as in, a Mini drivetrain in a Celica. :D
New or old tires?
It was fully restored but drives on fairly basic Pirelli tyres.
most celicas have more power..
Much more 😎, where the yaris power ends, the 3SGTE starts...
Sure, but the jury's out on how much more power the yaris can make, too. Not to mention that the yaris probably has a handling edge that a viscous coupling could never match.
Most Celicas are in much worse shape than this one.
@@boheyo how about most yaris?
What tyres was the celica running the yaris was is running pilot sport 4s
i had one of those. was a 92 but not the turbo awd. I drool over the castrol livery rally version.
Be interested to know what the GT fours tires were
Hopefully not p6000’s 😂
Who knows but still it is 261PS/1290KG vs 242PS/1390KG
Cheap Pirelli Cinturato P7 I think they are mate. Not really in the same budget as Michelin Pilot Sport 4S that the Yaris was wearing. I don't think that made a massive difference because Plato wasn't pushing as hard in mine as he was in the Yaris. He was being mechanically sympathetic to my 27 year old girl.
@@meirionmatthias wow very cool to hear that tho! Lovely gt4 you have! Nice to see he was respectful of the old girl! Unlike tiff in the F40 he drove/launched! Surprised how praised he was for that in the comments!
Anyways Have a good Christmas fella!
@@CZcamsdotcomma and you pal 😉
Old vs new: old bmw m3 vs new bmw m240i
E46 M3 vs M240i
Probably a significant amount of the difference in the time is due to the tire difference. The GR Yaris has Michelin PS4S tires vs whatever probably slightly old tire is on the Celica
I had ST205 celica, it was a nice looking car and good to drive.
I test drived new yaris gr yesterday and it's a great car to drive, so much fun. Much more fun what ST205 was on slippery roads.
Music TOO DAMN LOUD!!!!! voice too damn soft... sigh.
My ST205 is not as tired as that car. Look how much it leans in the corners! Poor representation imo :P I know that because of my lap times on castle combe :P
Cool video, shame we couldn't hear the cars.
Were the tires on both cars comparable?
Please fix the volume difference between the talking and music. This is unbearable.
"seeega rally"Jason??? are you austrailian now man c'mon thought you were a brit
Is that not correct?
We need more cars like these
When the 6th was released I thought front end styling was ugly compared to the 5th, but when the GT-Four came out with the extra cooling grille it’s looks were transformed giving it a more purposeful look and I soon forgot about the previous generations pop-up headlamps a bladed grille.
With headphones on this music is too loud compared to the speaking AND it's f***ing awful !
I've noted that several time with videos from various channels. I wonder if uploading to CZcams somehow messes with the audio, because surely the sound people wouldn't intentionally mix it that way.
Why would you watch it with headphones on lol 🤷🏼♂️
I'll take the st205 everytime
Did you use the same tyres on both car?
I see the old top gear sound editor found new employment
The one looks like a proper handsome sports car and the other is like an ugly box on wheels...guess which is which. I don't care about how much better is the Yaris. It is ST205 every day of the week. And after 30 years the Celica will still be running and running and running and kicking some new gal's bottom...merry Christmas
Someone's got no money. lol...
Finally finally.... A race track comparison!!!
Have a look at Archie Hamilton's video of a track day at Brands Hatch, you might want to fast forward the first few minutes but the track time is epic.
@@JamesYoung61 Archie is a great driver... Drove to the yaris's strength... Fast tight corners... Loved the video... czcams.com/video/jpIVxV8hmks/video.html
@@whoguy4231 Archie wasn't driving, but his mate Jonno is pretty handy and the conditions obviously played into the GR's strengths, as Archie said not wet not dry, greasy.
What tires does the celica fit in this test?
I vividly remember how fun these old cars were in their era Ace video
Oh my god the roll on that ST205. Definitely could use some stiffer suspension.
Great video, loved everything apart from the music being SO FUCKING LOUD.
It's not just Sega Rally what makes me worship the Celica a lot,even in the Initial D Arcade Stage titles it's such a fun car to drive. Probably one of the most underrated Toyota's/JDM's in my opinion
Just wanna see more Plato, dude is a legend.