Fieldsports Britain - Should We Shoot Running Deer?
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- We are shooting fast moving deer in this week's episode. Do you want to see driven big game hunting in the UK? Or do you like your deer to stand still? Roy Lupton shoots some spectacular running animals as he weighs up the arguments for and against. They try driven muntjac days with the experts from Aimpoint in woodland in the South-East of England. Meanwhile, Orkney has seen a greylag goose boom that's attracting gooseshooters from all over the world. Local goose guide Steve Rogers takes a party out from a London gun club. We are giving away a £1,000 Kite Optics scope and a £600 Aimpoint rifle sight, so you have to watch it for those. There's the Fieldsports Channel News Stump and Hunting CZcams, completing a bumper episode of #FieldsportsBritain
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this is a simple question, no different than "should i shoot a deer at 500 yards". The answer is - if you have done it in practice and you are 100% successful in practice over 10 consecutive shots, under the same conditions (weather, shooting position etc) then yes. else absolutely not. Its all about have you taken this shot before and you have no reasonable doubt you can. heck some people shouldnt be allowed to shoot a stationary deer at 50 yards if they havent practiced
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During our driven hunts we also wore blaze orange. It’s doesn’t scare the game unless you move and it’s looking at you then it will spoke. So we stay still as much as we can and stand behind a tree or in some brush. But most game in the woods can’t see very many colors especially blaze orange. White tail deer can only see black and white. It’s the movement and smell where they have their best defense.
Loved the segment on goose and duck hunting in the Orkneys. With a resident population of 12,000-15,000 geese, should be great shooting year-round. That many could be considered as pests. BTW, KiteOptics.com
Excellent video, especially Roy Lupton`s segment.
I prefer stationery shots for the simple reason I have never had the opportunity to practice running quarry I am comfortable with stationery shots. If I had a running range near me I would use it a lot as it's something I would really like to do. But like everything else you need to practice preferably on paper till you are 100% confident
Just like any other shooting ,,,, the right time , clear shot and a shot you know has a back stop ,,,, reasonable hunter knows this and sometimes get in a hurry or from excitement but remember your brother could be on the other side of a fence line ?? Not everyone should shoot that way .Be smart be safe 👍🏻👍🏻Love ya brothers and sisters ..... love the camera aim point wow ... I bought one of the first aim points when they cam out and still have it . I would love to have a pair of those deer too
Very interesting and entertaining show again. On the driven/nudgedgentlythroughthewoodstowherevertheyfeellikegoing muntjac shooting, I have no problem with it whatsoever. If it is done safely and the animals are treated with the respect they deserve. I liked the fact that the animals were not being driven at speed but were being nudged gently. We could do this with roe and fallow if they are considered a nuisance to forest management or agriculture. If you prepare and have your high seats set up, even if the base is only 4 feet (1.1m) off the ground, it all works for me. Gently nudged gives more opportunity for a stationary shot. I can't see what there would be to object to.
Orkney looks lots of fun and brought back memories of my uncle's place on the sound of Jura, opposite Islay with 3,000 brent geese coming to visit. The only problem is you can't shoot them so you have to scare them. He used to say 6 geese eat as much as 1 sheep in a day. By this measure, they have a problem on Orkney.
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Hello from Denmark.
If your shooting skills is up for it, I see no problems in driven deer shooting. Know your limits and stay safe.
Kind regards Niklas.
One of the better episodes of recent I think. I am a keen wildfowler and it's good to see some wildfowling on here again try and keep some more fowling trips on here
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Great show again. I don't watch TV, CZcams is my TV and your channel keeps me hitting the refresh button every Wednesday evening, waiting for the latest episode to appear.
It takes the skill and, in my opinion, fun out of hunting.
I enjoy the process; the stalk, tracking and slowly getting into a position in which I can get the perfect shot. I enjoy going out for the day, hoping to get the one deer I’ve been looking for, spending hours trying to find it and take a shot.
I admire the beauty of them; seeing that one prize deer and just saying a grace before shooting it.
When it’s driven, it’s fast, there’s no time to appreciate the sport or the animal, and it’s too “false”.
Of course, driven pheasants and such is always good fun. A lot of adrenaline as 200 birds fly 40 feet above you, picking your target and killing it, but again, I don’t see the beauty in the kill.
Shot most of my kakkar or barking deer with a 375 h&h mag and some with a 458 win mag for obvious reasons. Excellent meat and may be grilled on the day they are shot. In those days bears leopards and tiger could turn up during the beat apart from peacocks and jungle fowl. A small bore rifle would not do.
Love this show. Guessing the driven err sorry moving deer will cause a stir. I am all for it - I can't see the difference in english folk going abroad to do it or staying in the in Blighty as long as it is safe and any wounded deer are followed up and despatched
What earprotection are they using for the muntjac?
KiteOptics.com.....still great viewing lads. I am English but have been living in France for more than 40 years.... have a passion for driven game..wild boar in the marshland between Nantes and Paimbœf or Donges on the lower Loire estuary...hard work but great sport....! But prefer heavier calibres for driven game than for stalking the same animals.
Nice to see a new vid out bro
You know, here in the USA we’ve driven deer and hogs for hundreds of years and it’s perfectly safe if everyone knows where the other people are. The shooters and the drivers always gets together and talks about what person will be where and how the driver will be coming through the woods. Most of the time we use one driver person with a couple of good trained hounds and it works really well. We’re never had any accidents in my time on driven hunts and I’ve been in the woods since I was seven years old and knew and was taught by my father and grandfather how to be safe and never shoot towards another stander or driver. We normally use shotguns most of the time in thick areas with buckshot. But in wide open areas we use rifles with open sites and sometimes with a scope or red dot. It’s really safe if everyone knows what and where everyone is. It’s a well planned hunt and that’s why it’s been so safe. And another thing we never did was leave our shooting stand until the drive was over. This is where people get hurt. Leaving a shooting area while the driver is still working the woods is a no no. If we shoot any animals we wait till the driver has finished and then we check for blood and watch what way the hot deer went. Some times we have to use a tracker dog and we always find our animals. Enjoy this way of hunting and be safe.
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Great show again guys,
Good shooting on the deer Roy, but like you said it’s imperative to achieve that humane kill. Well done again 👍
KiteOptics keep doing great films, love your show
Charlie, shooting Running Deer safely,... of course. Practice Practice Practice. Nice shooting boys! David, your presentation is BRILLIANT!! I needed that smile today.
9:06 i can't quite work out what company they are promoting.......can anyone help?!
Keep up the good work Charlie....Kite Optics
I think the muntjac shoot was well organized. Not against it in the Uk at all while some might find it too "gung ho" or "unsafe".
Kite Optics, com. Good show, great shooting Roy!
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great show. Driven large game needs to be done carefully but could be useful for managing deer numbers in large forestry blocks. Think we would need qualifications to ensure proficiency prior to being let loose.
Are you thinking of an addendum to a DSC1 type qualification. So, you have a general stalking qualification with a strap on for driven game? I think if made that compulsory in the UK you would limit demand and kill the opportunity dead and potentially remove a deer or boar management tool which you and I agree is a useful addition to the armoury.
A day's training the day before showing the gun can make the minimum required standard on a running boar type target might be an option.
Was it a best hairy chest comp. this week??
Kiteoptics.com would fit my new rifle just fine! Keep up the good work guys.
Andy Boobyer. Kite optics.great show again.
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There is no reason why we can’t have driven like they do on the continent. I think it would be a good thing to have in place, a similar proficiency test for the guns that wish to shoot driven game like they do in Germany etc.
Great show as always!
Excellent video as usual, not sure driven game with a rife is for the uk.
I think it’s sad how I’ll never have one of these cool guns
I can't speak for the UK, but in the U.S we do deer drives where it is legal and shots are often taken on running or moving deer. Of course, safety is the biggest concern and I assume the population density of Britain may make it difficult to shoot a small, running deer with a safe backstop. That being said, in some states, people are allowed to use buckshot while hunting driven deer, making a lethal shot more likely than a rifle, while also decreasing the risk of over penetration and the risk of a projectile flying to far. I'm sure the regulations limit what you are capable of doing ethically, but a rifle at a close distance with a low power optic is probably fine, safe, and ethical for this kind of hunting.
Thanks for this. Do you find there's wounding with buckshot? / Charlie
I personally have never hunted deer with buckshot, as it is illegal to use for deer where I hunt. However, I have seen examples of it on several occasions via footage from other states. Shots on deer with buckshot are usually very close (no more that 45-50 meters). The knock-down power is not as good as a rifle when it comes to white tailed deer. However, when hunting smaller species like coyote, they are almost always dead where they stand. That being said, I don't think I would personally hunt with buckshot for larger deer species if I did not want to track it after shooting it. But for smaller animals, like muntjac, I could see it being a very quick and humane method of hunting.
@@Peregrine369 is it actually buckshot or a slug that is used? I can see a slug being effective but not a shotgun cartridge and I would have thought at 50m it wouldn't have the required energy to do much other than injure the animal. When skinning out rifle shot deer in the UK you occasionally find deer with lead shotgun pellets under their skin which is usually a sign that a poacher has tried to drop a deer but in reality has only injured an animal, causing unnecessary suffering, for no good reason.
I am certain that it is buckshot. I took my first deer with a sabot slug from a rifled 12 bore. Buckshot is used in some areas in the U.S. for deer. I've seen deer drop very quickly from close ranged shots. The shot used is usually 00 buckshot and often time magnum loads with much more gunpowder are used. I don't necessarily trust it as much as slugs or rifles for large animals. Though against a smaller species buckshot works beautifully. Hence why I could see it being used for muntjac but not for fallow deer. Also keep in mind that in the U.S it is considered appropriate in many places to shoot a deer multiple times if it begins to run after an initial shot, and that shots to the base of the neck are also considered ethical as long as the hunter is confident in their ability.
@@Peregrine369 thanks for the feedback.
KiteOptics.com Great show again. But i can see that Tim is using KSP HD2 2.5-15x56 in video. Not the KSP HD2 1.6-10x42 as you say. Keep up the great work! And greetings from Finland! :)
KiteOptics.com. Always good to see wildfowling featured on the show guys. Especially geese. I'm not a fan of driven deer. The nut behind the butt only has a split second to assess shot placement and safe backstop. It's hard to beat a stalk where you have to work hard to get within a sensible range of a stationary deer. When you make the shot and fill the freezer it feels like you earned it. Anyway that's just my opinion. I'm sure others who have had the chance to try driven stalking may disagree.
kite scope great show
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Cracking show again ! Really enjoy watching the channel really good place to pick up tips and ideas ! Keep it up
I wonder what vegans (Sioux for bad hunters) would make of "kicking the hornets' nest"? Talking of which, it's "skone" and you cut it in half, jam on both halves followed by cream and eat each half separately. That should create enough energy to get the Queen Mary 2 out of harbour. :-)
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charly is pushing the 30 min mark again, really spoiling us. Carry on Charly!
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Roy and Co. demonstrated considerable skills. A show that will start debates across the country!
Kiteoptics.com Good to know that I'm not the only hunter who's lung's sound like a old footpump when stalking through the woods lol great show again, that scope looks the biz ;-) happy hunting omg
Great show as usual. Never criticize another method of hunting as long as it is legal. The antis want us to go after each other and we walk into their trap when we fight among ourselves. Thank you for another great show
Really good fun? Let's put a gallon of napalm on here that should keep the antis fires burning.
KiteOptics.com Thx for another well made episode! grz from The Netherlands
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Brilliant! What an experience, can’t wait to do some driven game in the future 🤞. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Hi all,
i would love a kite optic
many thanks
Steve
Kiteoptics.com With the appropriate equipment and shooting ability, I see no problem in hunting driven game.
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Shooting moving targets is extremely difficult. Roy and co make it look simple, well done. Certainly envy their skills.
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Thanks for the show. My next semiauto could easily be a winchester if that's what works for you
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I like the idea of driven deer, subject to suitable skills, but would be concerned that it could further increase the costs of stalking to the average gun.
Kiteoptics.com - this was a solid episode lads :)
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I think that a double barrel shotgun wood be more practical on muntjack, because I wood use 5,2 mm lead shoot and if fox runout
Kiteoptics.com. Another good show Charlie... Keep it up ...
KiteOptics.com, good show 😁
KiteOptics.com. Great program as usual.
KitOpitic.com great video interesting to see where driven deer shooting goes in the future.
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Another good and educational episode, keep up the good work
KiteOptics.com great video nothing better than a bit of wildfowling
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Amazing show again makes my Wednesday evening worth staying up. Got to love a job working the night shift. Keep up the good work!!!
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Great show lads! 😁👍🏻
KiteOptics.com. I just wanted to say thanks I have been waching you for a long time a I have been insiped by your abc of hft series to do it and I won the league as a 15 year old. Also you have made me want to come a gamekeeper at belvoir castle what is just down the road from me. I hope I get as lucky as the field sports team to see some of paces you have been and what animals you have seen.
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Got an old combined last year with a pre war scope on it which is ... not that good. Could use a replacement :)
Once again good to see Roy Kiteoptics.com
KiteOptics.com. another great show
Kiteoptics.com..fantastic show once again. Keep it up.
Kiteoptics.com I believe driven deer should be more popular I don’t see any problem as long as it’s all been vetted
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Another great episode! No other shooting channel competes.
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If you are practiced and competent on moving targets, and you have the land where it is safe to do a driven shoot then why not.
Kite optics.com Thank you for another good show.
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Really enjoy watching this channel whenever I get the chance. It inspired me to get into shooting and I got my first gun a few weeks ago.
That's great - well done - send us a 'Hallo Charlie!' 🙂
KiteOptics.com. Great show again.
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As many people have said, it's all down to the competence of the shooter.
Kite optics.com love the show keep the good work up.driven deer 👍
KiteOptics.com I'm not sure.
On a personal note, it's probably not for me because I like stalking.
And on a practical note, we have to be careful how it would play in PR terms.
We may not like it, but that does matter.
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What a great show once again chaps, Mr Upton is a man of many talents.
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I don't see any ethical problems with driven game shooting. I am not sure it would be economically viable in my area though.
KiteOptics.com Great episode lads. Cheers Moose
There is something quite magical about a skillful solo stalk into a deer unaware of your approach, followed by the rehearsed transition to being shot-ready, and finally the stalk completion. A driven hunt is something other than that. Doubtless it has its appeal and, if hunters are competent, go ahead. My concerns would be: If any land is driven repeatedly then the deer there will become very wary and far harder to stalk by traditional methods. And there is a welfare issue too: ambushing a deer whilst it is going about its business oblivious of the impending coup de grâce does not cause it stress prior to grassing. Being chased for half an hour before the shot must surely do that. Farmers are unhappy when dogs chase pregnant sheep because they can miscarry. How is chasing a pregnant Muntjack different? At minimum, if the UK adopts driven hunting as a neccessary tool for some environments, then let there be a limited number of days per annum when that can happen. Akin to the Spanish Monteria model.
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This show should be on mainstream TV its just that good
I believe that I will stick to having deer at a stand still before a shot. not against shooters that train and can prove they can carry this out but how do you control it.
Another great show , KiteOptics.com
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Love the driven deer looks fun and different.
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Great show once again!
Hmm, I'm slightly uncomfortable with the idea of driven Deer. In the UK, we tend not to head shoot them because of the risk of injured animals. Not everyone is as good a shot as Roy and lets face it, if we do adopt this practice then there's no way that we're going to get less injured Deer out there. This sort of thing would only benefit the Anti's. Anyway, that's my tuppence worth - I'm sure others will disagree :-)
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hows it different that racing cars - if you have trained for it its ok, if you havent no way. has nothing to do with shooting ... do what you know you can and have proven to do in practice. its the idiots who have practiced, dont respect the game ... that take shots they have never taken before
Terrified of the antis again . Grow up fuck the antis
@@bavariasuhl No different: if we were all trained to drive at 200MPH on the roads, we wouldn't all have crashes. What's the likelyhood that the number of RTA's would increase though?
Look at it another way, I'm a pretty good shot with my .17HMR and I reckon I can hit a Crow at 100m every time. Why then don't I shoot that Crow in a tree with no safe backstop? I'm trained to hit it and I PROBABLY will but there's a chance that I'll miss and that's a chance I don't want to take.
In any case, we're all going to have a different opinion on this subject and you and I obviously differ. No problem there :-)
@@williecosgrove Erudite, witty, concise and to the point. Terrible grammar though.
Hi there, I disagree that most deer are headshot in the UK. Heart/lung shots are the most commonly taken and certainly the only shot that are deemed acceptable in the various DSC1 level courses. We certainly take headshots from time to time but I wouldn't call it the UK standard or even a tendency.
MY tuppence worth on the injuring of deer; for what it's worth: If we set-up the driven day correctly, where every shot is followed up as it is in Germany and Scandinavia, any injured animals would be tracked and quickly dispatched after the drive. Roy's comment regarding training is key. If you have not trained and haven't practiced on "running" targets, you really should not be out there giving driven furred game a go. On one of the previous shows, I think Aimpoint were involved again, Tim Pilbeam was in Sweden and one of the training drills he was introduced to was shooting bolting bunny clays with a rifle.
Whether I would pay to have a go at driven game in the UK or not is a different matter. Possibly not but I don't see anything wrong with a properly organised, well run in the Teutonic tradition driven furred game day. The problem would be the quick quid brigade that have little or no concern for the animals, have insufficient safety protocols in place, no tracking dogs and just want your money. That really would take a bit of coming back from.
Kite Optics, com. Inclined to agree with Ryan Darby, let's leave driven deer shooting on the continent, that is until we can be certain that those shooting have the skill to take a clean shot and the ethics to refrain from shooting when the circumstances are not ideal. How many ‘corporate’ guns have you seen taking shots that a true sportsman would never consider?
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Another great episode guys!
KiteOptics.com Great work as alway.
kiteoptics.com another fine show lads. keep em coming
KiteOptics.com, looks like a great scope
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Great show as usual.
KiteOptics.comGreat show. When will we get Fieldsports France
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Are there enough ranges in the U.K. for us to build our skills to shoot driven safely & humanely?
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Always a Great Show!
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Interesting show this evening, thanks.
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Great show as always
Well done one and all
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Another brilliant show 👌
Kiteoptics.com Great show as usual. Driven muntjac looks like great fun.
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I don't think driven shooting is a good idea, mainly due to the safety of beaters and also the ethical issue of wounding, along with a higher chance of meat damage
www.kiteoptics.com . Great to see Orkney again. Went last year, superb
Kiteoptics.com Brill show as always guys!
Kiteoptics.com great show as always, 👍