This Agent Ruined Valorant

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  • čas přidán 16. 03. 2022
  • Astra broke Valorant.
    She reinvented the game as we knew it.
    But she was also complicated, boring, and made the game pointless to play.
    Astra almost ruined Valorant - but even after getting nerfed into the ground, she still represents the future of the game.
    Written by: Alina Sotula (@ASotula)
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Komentáře • 631

  • @aztechuhs
    @aztechuhs Před 2 lety +1508

    As a CS main that still enjoys following the Valorant scene the biggest thing I'm interested in at this point is to see how Riot controls agent power creep. It seems to have infected nearly every character-based game at some point. Really hard to see that Valorant will be any different but I hope they can overcome it, its great for the CS scene to finally have some competition.

    • @Xylexis95
      @Xylexis95 Před 2 lety +96

      I'll be honest, I feel as though Riots done a fantastic job with every new agent except Astra. Astra to me is just fundamentally broken from the ground up and should be the target for the next major rework.

    • @elcuh9976
      @elcuh9976 Před 2 lety +54

      @@Xylexis95 the nerfs are great

    • @killerchun96
      @killerchun96 Před 2 lety +35

      Riot has always handled balancing very seriously. If you look at League of Legends, you have reworked characters and original characters that are still relevant to this day. There will always be some stronger than others but they do their best to keep characters relevant. Hopefully they replicate this effort in valorant.

    • @archfestzor
      @archfestzor Před 2 lety +25

      Lmao you want precedence look no further than LoL. Riots balance is terrible playing a character pre yasuo is basically power crept out or obsolete baring a rework or just stupid raw stats boost. Ofcourse there are exceptions but generally the new characters kits ARE overloaded and overtuned at launch. Dont believe me, then read character tool tips pre yasuo vs after.

    • @im.weasel
      @im.weasel Před 2 lety +16

      I dont think they should release so many characters. They should honestly stop and just focus on maps and maybe weapons. The game is kinda lacking in the weapons in my opinion.

  • @sandpie1345
    @sandpie1345 Před 2 lety +1346

    playing astra feels like playing a strategy game and not an fps game

    • @El_chara
      @El_chara Před 2 lety +109

      And soloQ Astra feel like a strategy game but you can only use cheap unit against raid boss

    • @controllertakes0skill278
      @controllertakes0skill278 Před 2 lety +11

      What a very original statement wow

    • @batatanna
      @batatanna Před 2 lety +64

      Tbf. Tactical shooters ARE strategy games

    • @benlink202forever
      @benlink202forever Před 2 lety +129

      And raze feels like a quake FPS, not a tactical FPS. Cypher feels like a R6 character rather than a CSGO character. Killjoy feels like a tower defense character rather than a FPS character. See how stupid that argument is? It’s as if every agent has a completely different way of playing compared to the other and that’s what Riot was intending with their agents.

    • @plastic12345
      @plastic12345 Před 2 lety +1

      Lmao

  • @msmaam2040
    @msmaam2040 Před 2 lety +405

    As someone who wanted to main Astra, she's hard to use but really useful. You need to actually understand the game and nuances of it plus constant comms, which not a lot actually do. Viper is an easier agent to master compared to Astra.

    • @katana4238
      @katana4238 Před 2 lety +7

      For Astra you need comms, while with Vuper you can almost play solo. I think it's due to the fact that Astra temporarily is "out of" the game while activating her abilities. For Astra to work you need to know where and when to activate which ability.

    • @bluebox2395
      @bluebox2395 Před 2 lety

      its not about usefulness, its just boring, lame and cringe

    • @br00kdale
      @br00kdale Před 2 lety +3

      @@bluebox2395 lol I loved astra before the nerfs, I still think some of the nerfs were a bit too much lol

    • @archmagus9000
      @archmagus9000 Před rokem +2

      @@bluebox2395 yeah-yeah, we know that you even don't play on her and think that she's boring... Yeeeeeah...

    • @m1thical_362
      @m1thical_362 Před rokem

      @@katana4238 It's like an apex's crypto. good in coordinated teams

  • @nanezferrer3565
    @nanezferrer3565 Před 2 lety +73

    "No counter at all"
    KayO : let me introduce myself

    • @jarifahmed977
      @jarifahmed977 Před 2 lety +14

      "SHUTTING them...I mean, ASTRA DOWN"
      "You...I mean, ASTRA are...sorry IS POWERLESS"

    • @just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you
      @just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you Před 2 lety +3

      "You are powerless!"

    • @zerocooltakeover9382
      @zerocooltakeover9382 Před 2 lety +4

      The problem is that astra could be literally anywhere on the map and you can't tell based off her util, but kay/o has a range to where he can supress

  • @shin-gc1xu
    @shin-gc1xu Před 2 lety +569

    feels awful that the “most boring type” of agents are getting some hate. ngl, astra is op before but still. people don’t seem to appreciate controllers as much. if they want something “not boring”, just play cs.

    • @agentprismarine2778
      @agentprismarine2778 Před 2 lety +78

      This. If you really want raw gun game, CS is there and it has been there for years. Astra will still shine after the dust settles.

    • @lacrima2710
      @lacrima2710 Před 2 lety +2

      Agree.

    • @siyattttt
      @siyattttt Před 2 lety +5

      @@agentprismarine2778 But cs also has utility?

    • @diegurke1000
      @diegurke1000 Před 2 lety +5

      It is the Same with Cs. Nobody wants to be the consistent Support element in the Team even tho it can Carrier Games.

    • @Bruh-og7mh
      @Bruh-og7mh Před 2 lety +26

      she's not boring, there's just no counter to her ability. You're pretty much forced to play default, which makes the game pretty slow and stagnant

  • @phoenixflamegames1
    @phoenixflamegames1 Před 2 lety +31

    Astra reminds me of other characters that are fantastic in full team environments but horrible in soloQ. Maybe that’s the reason I haven’t seen an astra in months.

    • @raggedyshoes3656
      @raggedyshoes3656 Před 2 lety +5

      astra had some of the lowest pickrates in low elo comp and her pickrates were still lacking higher up, but when you get into the REALLY high ranks, and especially pro play she was completely busted. A character like that is kind of doomed to begin with, because if you dont nerf her she becomes a menace, but if you do nerf her shes going to get almost 0% play in any low rank game

    • @farizrahman7290
      @farizrahman7290 Před 2 lety +3

      funny thing i instalock astra in ep3 act 2 a lot and went from gold to diamond by soloQ in just 1act. But yeah, i see lot of lower elos underutilized or simply don't understand how to use it

  • @MrKrystalMethod
    @MrKrystalMethod Před 2 lety +49

    started playing astra after nerfs, tbh it feels kinda bad having 4 stars and not 5 but everything else feels great. wall might be a little short in duration but the concuss and grav well are pretty dependable. overall i like astra but i wish i played her when she was “broken”

  • @ubeia4857
    @ubeia4857 Před 2 lety +60

    The problem with Astra was unlike Jett and Sova who are actually routinely replaced by other agent of their class in certain maps(Raze for Jett and Kayo/Skye for Sova), she was *always* the pick for the controller in every map.
    I don't count Viper, because even the devs themselves acknowledged that Viper is a separate type of controller than others and most of the time she serves as the secondary controller of the team. And so the only real competition that Astra had was Omen and Brim, both we're noticeably weaker than her and what they could do, she could do better and more.
    Coupled with the fact that her utils other than the smoke are all crowd control utils that she can place and use anywhere on the map, and you can start to see why pros hate playing against her. The meta developed into bait the Astra utils because otherwise she will mess you up even if she is on the literal opposite side of the map.

  • @Sharkenjoyer862
    @Sharkenjoyer862 Před 2 lety +271

    Wouldn’t have been an issue if her utility was somehow counterable. It was quite literally the strongest TWO abilities on ONE character and there was ZERO things you could do about it. Hopefully they learn that completely uncounterable utility isn’t wanted by anybody, and think twice about adding more of it in the future.

    • @inkbean4826
      @inkbean4826 Před 2 lety +6

      B R E A C H

    • @jonasmewto4661
      @jonasmewto4661 Před 2 lety +22

      @@inkbean4826 DODGE

    • @rahul2571
      @rahul2571 Před 2 lety +20

      @@inkbean4826 look away iron

    • @ziq1450
      @ziq1450 Před 2 lety +1

      kayo

    • @ulyssescasio9939
      @ulyssescasio9939 Před 2 lety +1

      The only counter is your team also has an Astra. She can hold all sites fr anywhere in the map that's y she's so broken.

  • @sunrayyourmom
    @sunrayyourmom Před 2 lety +171

    Astra was indeed overpowered, but to me she never felt oppressive to play against. Her kit had too much value, but like every agent its not like she didn't have counters. Additionally, seeing top teams and players flex their brains playing the mid round with astra was always fun to see. Yeah pressing a button to stop a push is boring, but overall she definitely benefitted the game more than she hurt it. Only real downside to her is that she knocked Omen out of the meta completely for a majority of 2021.

    • @zackhanson5254
      @zackhanson5254 Před 2 lety +4

      I agree

    • @_____________1120
      @_____________1120 Před 2 lety +6

      Astra could instantly activate a smoke from across the map. There's no counter play to that

    • @jblazerndrowzy
      @jblazerndrowzy Před 2 lety +1

      Wasn’t the reason why people hated her was specifically because she had/has no counterplay?

    • @buttery_gooch6
      @buttery_gooch6 Před 2 lety +6

      @@jblazerndrowzy literally her only counterplay was to run from the stars. kayo wasnt out when she was in the meta

  • @kexcz8276
    @kexcz8276 Před 2 lety +275

    Finally, Omen got his 2nd breath. When Riot said that, in expense of new character, they will focus on the in-game life quality changes, I i didnt think that it would be that good :). Nice work Riot

    • @ayyitshift
      @ayyitshift Před 2 lety +4

      Omen is pretty mediocre because of his ult, I am a proud Omen main and I love him, but his ult is just bad on another level, I appreciate that Riot tried to buff him but it just doesn't cut it, I'd be better off playing Brimstone or Astra than Omen...

    • @knites9698
      @knites9698 Před 2 lety +2

      @@ayyitshift Omen still works on a lot of maps. I think the controllers are now pretty much all picked in proplay. Though yeah, please change his ult. I'm an omen main too and there is barely any use for the ult.

    • @bac0ntoast
      @bac0ntoast Před 2 lety +7

      full agree to the 2 people who replied, i play omen a lot on some maps but his ult is borderline useless, besides checking a push early to see how many people are there, which sova dart and kay/o knife do way better

    • @kexcz8276
      @kexcz8276 Před 2 lety +1

      @@knites9698 yea, but I dont know what should it be then. I think its usefull as attacker to clutch or to fake out, otherwise not so usefull as defender, because you want to hold certain piece of map, and by tp you risk a lot. Maybe we will get to it in some point ....

    • @weezerstan7788
      @weezerstan7788 Před 2 lety +1

      if only they did that for league

  • @zVoltaze
    @zVoltaze Před 2 lety +48

    when your attacking and the other team has astra its so hard to rush no matter where u are on the map she can mes you up

    • @flarebear5346
      @flarebear5346 Před 2 lety +2

      Don't rush then

    • @DonutFlameFPS
      @DonutFlameFPS Před 2 lety +14

      @@flarebear5346 taking out one of the integral strategies in a tac shooter? Wow amazing character.

    • @rav9067
      @rav9067 Před 2 lety

      just bait out her util

    • @stayfrosty6198
      @stayfrosty6198 Před 2 lety

      @@flarebear5346 yeah right just walk to the site and they will just let you plant

    • @yadvendrakulkarni4698
      @yadvendrakulkarni4698 Před 2 lety +3

      if ur team has a good astra she can carry you with bot fragging

  • @swarooh
    @swarooh Před 2 lety +14

    it seems so funny to me that duelist or explicit jett mains complain about any char in valorant

    • @troysmithfr
      @troysmithfr Před 2 lety +4

      Yeah those fucking Jett players. Problem is that's what makes people wanna play the game

    • @edmonmanalili4444
      @edmonmanalili4444 Před 2 lety +1

      I literally just watched Ziptie's yoru 2.0 and a jett player called him cringe 💀

    • @rohitsaji2799
      @rohitsaji2799 Před 2 lety +4

      People who just play jet and Reyna and think other agent are boring are ignorant people.

  • @alicrius
    @alicrius Před 2 lety +21

    They didn't just nerf her.. they kinda killed her.
    Now she is by far the least popular agent

  • @rudrasharma2734
    @rudrasharma2734 Před 2 lety +29

    As an astra main i absolutely loved her kit, she was the only perfect agent in valorant with a kit that didn't help her but the team. She is overpowered yes, but only when you have a good team. I love the new nerfs but i wish they at least reduced the star prices

  • @nedleeds449
    @nedleeds449 Před 2 lety +156

    Personally love playing Astra, I usually play with my friends and so having that communication and team play allows me to contribute a lot more. Gotta say, the nerf ain’t that bad. Just makes playing Astra slower

    • @ulyssescasio9939
      @ulyssescasio9939 Před 2 lety +9

      The colldown is fine but the 4 stars really is the one that killed her. If you are attacker, you don't have a smoke for post plant and you can't fake a site with the colldown. Recalling her stars is useless when you rotated, you can't retake fast.

    • @sunrayyourmom
      @sunrayyourmom Před 2 lety +4

      @@ulyssescasio9939 Yeah makes her slower and much harder to play effectively against a coordinated defense

    • @proskilztimez2785
      @proskilztimez2785 Před 2 lety +1

      @@sunrayyourmom she’s become on level with omen with less util

    • @yymei
      @yymei Před 2 lety +2

      true, she's just slower now

  • @panosts6178
    @panosts6178 Před 2 lety +82

    I hope we don't ever reach a state like the GOATS meta in Overwatch. If abilities get too good the game transforms to a moba and stops being an FPS. You should be able to shoot your way out of almost every situation

    • @jspr1te529
      @jspr1te529 Před 2 lety +10

      Fortunately that’s still the case, as most abilities so far are made to be played with and around the gunplay(or are literal guns in Chamber’s case).

    • @Cons-hh5ef
      @Cons-hh5ef Před 2 lety +2

      goats was good

    • @panosts6178
      @panosts6178 Před 2 lety +4

      @@Cons-hh5ef it was good to rank up if your aim was trash. You just needed gamesense and nothing else which was terrible IMO. Coming to ow from csgo I had to transition into playing tanks and supports instead of my mccree, tracer and soldier. You even had aim Gods like Kephrii and Ans play Brig instead of Widow because at a high enough level dps were basically unplayable

    • @jacobosborn8435
      @jacobosborn8435 Před 2 lety +2

      I think abilities are what make valorant interesting and unique and should be central in gameplay. Shooting your way out is for CS.

    • @panosts6178
      @panosts6178 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jacobosborn8435 it should be like utility. Otherwise it ain't a tactical fps. A bad aimer no matter his gamesense regarding abilities should not be able to reach the highest ranks

  • @ky3518
    @ky3518 Před 2 lety +18

    "astra is valorant exclusive"
    symmetra : "am i a joke to you?"

    • @CwassointFRFR
      @CwassointFRFR Před 2 lety +1

      Astra is Zarya, Rein, Symmetra in one agent

  • @lemony5272
    @lemony5272 Před 2 lety +17

    As person that has dealt with riots overpowered bs for over 10 years, it’s hilarious that they’re surprised

    • @AAAqua
      @AAAqua Před 2 lety

      The game has been only out for a year and a half

    • @beertlont776
      @beertlont776 Před 2 lety +3

      @@AAAqua think young one. He is talking about riots policy's ON games. Not just valorant

    • @just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you
      @just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you Před 2 lety

      @@AAAqua You think it's just Valorant? 🤣🤣 Have you ever heard or played other Riot games like League?

  • @Kevbot6000
    @Kevbot6000 Před 2 lety +11

    I honestly don’t think cosmic divide is extremely broken. As a skye main I usually send a blind then peak, as abilities can go through the wall. There’s counters to it. Some of the combos with the gravity can be kinda broken though.

  • @hiranyabhbaishya1460
    @hiranyabhbaishya1460 Před 2 lety +13

    Although Astra was kind of broken many people also liked her because of default plays she enables esp in the pro level, without her many people think it will just be rushing in sites which is boring

  • @walldell210
    @walldell210 Před 2 lety +47

    I think KAY/O is the most balanced release they ever had

    • @MebiManga
      @MebiManga Před 2 lety +18

      people were saying he was going to be very broken with his skills...and afterwards everyone just kept quiet. I think they did a great job with the duration of his ult to allow for the team to push (by shutting down sentinel utilities) but not allowing it too long such that the defenders can't retake the site.

    • @arkaui7857
      @arkaui7857 Před 2 lety +2

      I think fade is on par with being one of the most balanced releases tbh

  • @The_White_Croissant
    @The_White_Croissant Před 2 lety +4

    My favorite part of valorant is how unique they take things. Instead of having to learn line ups for smokes you literally place them before moving in. But if you want to do lineups there's an agent for that. Wanna be a really annoying flank? Well here's a bunch of teleport abilities have fun. Paranoid about enemies coming from behind at any angle? Pick your alarm system. Explosives? Explosives.

  • @cruzer5992
    @cruzer5992 Před 2 lety +47

    Tbh for someone like me who played it a lil bit on the strategic side instead of just braindead aiming astra was great . I loved to play astra even jett and sova have a broken kit who were out way before her just community outburst made her be the first instead of being the last to be nerfed which is sad

    • @blasianking4827
      @blasianking4827 Před 2 lety +7

      I don't think Sova is broken; very strong but not broken. Jett definitely needs tuning.
      But as it stands, I don't disagree with nerfing Astra first. Her existence alone invalidated pretty much every other controller character, whereas you couldn't *quite* say the same for Jett.

    • @oomer2
      @oomer2 Před 2 lety +1

      @@blasianking4827
      I agree with jett needing a LITTLE BIT of tuning but only with dash - out of curiosity what nerfs do you recommend though. Dash really seems like an ability that you either bury or is really good in this type of game
      Also yea fuck astra lmaoo

    • @blasianking4827
      @blasianking4827 Před 2 lety +3

      @@oomer2 I don't think she needs super severe nerfs. I think as it stands the main problem is how her dash is such an inconsequential get-out-of-jail-free card.
      I've seen suggestions to make it so that Jett can only dash in the direction she's facing, so if you want to dash away you have to flick. I think this is quite reasonable.
      Other than that, I don't think her abilities are overpowered; maybe her ult could use some tuning. Maybe reduce the damage of the individual knives to incentivize headshots and raise the skill floor?

    • @rishoo6976
      @rishoo6976 Před 2 lety +3

      @@oomer2 I don't remember where but I heard instead of jett's dash being so defensive maybe it could only be offensive by having to charge jett's dash? Like it goes shorter if you just tap the ability but if you hold it down it can go further than it could before.

    • @srkyx7207
      @srkyx7207 Před 2 lety +1

      Aiming is not braindead cs and val are made for you to aim the whole point is to click on enemy's head before he clicks on yours yes you have strategy but only staying in astral form is too boring its boring to play against its boring to play for majority of people and its also boring to watch we needed val to be more shooting and gunplay not just postplant ability spam with astra kj sova etc

  • @Lvrdsean
    @Lvrdsean Před 2 lety +106

    Give it a couple months for people to realize she’s still viable if not more viable than Omen & Brim despite the nerfs. All the nerfs really did was give us more of a dilemma when picking a controller agent rather than having Astra be the only agent to pick.

    • @flarebear5346
      @flarebear5346 Před 2 lety +13

      Imo she's still better than omen. There is no reason to play omen when gravity well is still better than omens flash. She also actually has an ultimate

    • @ulyssescasio9939
      @ulyssescasio9939 Před 2 lety +1

      You can still play her, she still good om holding down site, it's just on the attacker side, you can't fake site now if Astra is ur only smoker and you have to put the stars very carefully now coz u only have 4 stars. If you use them all after 30 secs and you didn't enter the site, u have nothing. That us why Brim is now the best smoker, he has 3 smokes ready to deploy. You have 2 for entering site and 1 for post plant. This helps your team win games.

    • @sunrayyourmom
      @sunrayyourmom Před 2 lety

      @@flarebear5346 Grav well is on par with omen flash imo. People forget that there is a reason no one played Viper in 2020, because Omen flash is also one button press that clears an entire room/ stops and entire push.

    • @sunrayyourmom
      @sunrayyourmom Před 2 lety +10

      @@ulyssescasio9939 The inability to fake with astra now is the biggest detriment to her for sure. Omen can regain smokes faster and can use them without thinking about other util.

    • @msmaam2040
      @msmaam2040 Před 2 lety +1

      Omen and Brim are pretty meh. They're picked only for smoke and easy use and Brim gets picked more than Omen because of his ult.

  • @solpport4276
    @solpport4276 Před 2 lety +26

    Astra seems like the Aurelion Sol or Aphelios of valorant but… only even more broken, she’s so unique that it’s almost impossible to balance her for all levels of play.

    • @chocpd
      @chocpd Před 2 lety +2

      U calling asol broken?

    • @daneshgenhazo2922
      @daneshgenhazo2922 Před 2 lety +1

      @@chocpd i think then broken like same concept as asol but 200 years like aphelios

    • @chocpd
      @chocpd Před 2 lety +1

      @@daneshgenhazo2922 ohhh i see. Thanks

    • @_zzeero
      @_zzeero Před 2 lety

      @@chocpd have you not played against the braindead auto-push->roam champ that dealt 99999999dmg to your WHOLE TEAM CONSISTENTLY while also being tanky?
      they would either make asol's numbers so low that he's dogshit or make the numbers go up a LITTLE and he'll be fucking broken, there's no in-between

    • @sekischro5093
      @sekischro5093 Před rokem

      ​@@chocpd he is now that his rework is here 💀💀💀💀💀

  • @b.v.2705
    @b.v.2705 Před 2 lety +1

    I’m not sure if it would be game coding nightmare, but I feel as though her abilities should have their effectiveness based on proximity (Similar to how Brim’s smokes placements are proximity limited) . Just some brainstorming, if she’s not within a certain range her activated smokes at longer range are halved in duration or that Gravity Well and Nova Pulse can only be activated when shes a certain distance to them (like KJ) just to cut down but not totally erase her global presence.

  • @sviitor
    @sviitor Před 2 lety +9

    I came back to CS:GO mainly because of her, but also no nerfs to Jett and Viper helped me flee from Valorant

    • @thenihilanth3382
      @thenihilanth3382 Před 2 lety +3

      I understand you bro, I'm so fucking tired of Jett

    • @agentprismarine2778
      @agentprismarine2778 Před 2 lety +1

      Then you should stick to CS:GO, you want valorant to be a CS:GO clone, it is not.

    • @sviitor
      @sviitor Před 2 lety +3

      @@agentprismarine2778 i never said that lol

  • @misstahj5651
    @misstahj5651 Před 2 lety +5

    I agree, astra is op as hell, but she doesn't leave the map when shes placing her stars, her model is still there, so you CAN interact with her if you run up on her

  • @luminescentlion
    @luminescentlion Před rokem +1

    For the ending this man has never heard of a shallot? Literally a 1 for 1 replacement for onions

  • @marrissakelvin6744
    @marrissakelvin6744 Před 2 lety +2

    problem isnt astra, its the player using astra. you have to come up with a plan on spot before the game starts. When the game starts and your plan isnt working out you have to be smart enough to know where to rearrange your stars and fast. And when people fail to do that they blame the agent instead just learning to play her. And even with the stars in position you must know what ability is most effective in the situation at that location. If im being honest she's probably one of the most powerful ik so far. You just need to learn her abelites and up your reflexes

  • @sharpiolover2026
    @sharpiolover2026 Před 2 lety +1

    ya know what. onions are in a class of their own. you learn something new everyday

  • @silv6r.official
    @silv6r.official Před 2 lety +1

    Astra in CS GO.
    Teammate : Where are you smoking? - Stair, Jungle or CT?
    Astra : Just walk B kid, I got this.

  • @bullmanny
    @bullmanny Před 2 lety +1

    Now that brim is viable again it's honestly really fun to play him

  • @1DensuN
    @1DensuN Před 2 lety +2

    I was and still are very sad about this nerf. No reason to play Astra anymore. 45sec cooldown is way to long. Stimmy with Brimmy is the new thing

  • @Snow-sc4gz
    @Snow-sc4gz Před 2 lety +34

    Can we at least be thankful that the overpowered character in a game was one no one liked playing

    • @DrKayFPS
      @DrKayFPS Před 2 lety +6

      Except me who mained her...

    • @DonutFlameFPS
      @DonutFlameFPS Před 2 lety +5

      @@DrKayFPS we don't care

    • @dog3gold3n
      @dog3gold3n Před 2 lety +10

      @@DonutFlameFPS why did you need to say that?

    • @akatex8758
      @akatex8758 Před rokem

      @@dog3gold3n because we don't care

  • @Djego2001
    @Djego2001 Před 2 lety

    basically all role, except duelist; plugged into one and it even reached a point that playing omen/brim is literally trolling especially in higher ranks

  • @HookKingU
    @HookKingU Před 2 lety +2

    im sorry but im still pissed about the cooldown and number of stars reduction, i think the sweet spot should be one or the other, longer cooldown or less stars. cuz now you cant really smoke and stun, and sunt is kinda bad already.

  • @jeypi__
    @jeypi__ Před 2 lety +1

    There's some truth to Astra being OP. The first few times I played Fracture, I picked Astra so that I can be as useful even if I couldnt duel as well in a new map.

  • @sharkador831
    @sharkador831 Před 2 lety

    The cypher/sage meta needs to come back

  • @ent1ty576
    @ent1ty576 Před 2 lety +11

    as someone who's mained her before AND after patch 4.04, the only real complaint i really have is the fact that you can no longer stack her smokes unless you use both charges. unlike before when you could have two smokes up for 30 seconds since you could stack them. I often find myself trying to smoke off a choke point only to realize it's still on cooldown. Other than that, I love how they made her smokes bigger, her Astral Form UI clearer and I think I'll still continue to main her after I get over my existential crisis of having to be a more flexible controller main instead of just knowing Viper and Astra.

  • @geekbasics
    @geekbasics Před 2 lety +4

    Basically if the pros cry about it enough it'll get nerfed.

  • @thedieselweasel201
    @thedieselweasel201 Před rokem +1

    Astra’s ult is just symetra’s ult from overwatch

  • @AiceQream
    @AiceQream Před 2 lety

    onion is one of a kind,you cant replace them..
    introducing shallot

  • @nixxgg
    @nixxgg Před 2 lety

    Will there be a pick and ban on valorant in the future if we have may be 30 agent pool?

  • @n4gauge
    @n4gauge Před 2 lety +9

    8:30 you know a character is bad when people use him to reference that something is just bad or useless

    • @hatto
      @hatto Před 2 lety

      Atleast not anymore. They gotta buff phoenix, he's commonly the worst agent rn for the majority of ppl

  • @noahk6476
    @noahk6476 Před 2 lety +20

    And then she got nerfed.
    Well kind of.

  • @yourregularwaterbottles7903

    "I am on a higher plane chale, literally!"
    *yeah.. literally*

  • @Sheriff_tasty_beans
    @Sheriff_tasty_beans Před 2 lety +30

    I think that the best way to make Val a more enjoyable comp experience they should add in a agent ban give one or two to each team not only does this give the devs more data about how to balance certain agents

    • @brodiemorris2081
      @brodiemorris2081 Před 2 lety +23

      I just think there's too little agents right now to do that though.

    • @mintyfresh4855
      @mintyfresh4855 Před 2 lety +5

      They will. League was like this but there aren't enough agent pool yet.

    • @malsawmzela609
      @malsawmzela609 Před 2 lety +3

      Probably when we have 50 agents or something.

    • @prahdush
      @prahdush Před 2 lety +4

      I think 20 agents is enough to give single agent bans to teams in comp

    • @nikplaysgames4734
      @nikplaysgames4734 Před 2 lety +2

      Before agent bans, I would add agent safety’s. Some teams might have their whole comp rely on a single or two agents, and not playing those would destroy their strategies. Because of this, I would also add agent safeties with bans

  • @2TeamSWAT
    @2TeamSWAT Před 2 lety

    12:25 I like that the casters hype up vanitys play when cloud 9 still lost that round

  • @globalmalfunction
    @globalmalfunction Před 2 lety +1

    Shallots or Leaks can replace onions, and are even better in many uses/respects

  • @eg0lol
    @eg0lol Před 2 lety

    remember the astra bug with the smoke in pistol round

  • @wickedwitchie8167
    @wickedwitchie8167 Před 2 lety +8

    Tbh, omen is too clunky with his smokes, and brim just doesn’t feel good to play. Astra can still keep up with the other controllers, especially with her buffed smoke size, so I definitely am going to keep playing her. Her nerfs don’t offset that global presence tbh. At least nobody plays her anymore so I never get astra diffed since there’s never another astra LMAO

    • @benlink202forever
      @benlink202forever Před 2 lety

      Astra has clear weaknesses now compared to her original incarnation. Having only 4 stars and her recall/ abilities being significantly slower to recharge really helps her have a defined weaknesses when it comes to rushing and long play. Having a character that does global presence on a game is cool, but it should definitely be something that is slow to begin with compared to Omen and Brimestone. Viper is just viper.

    • @ProtonSpriter
      @ProtonSpriter Před 2 lety

      What's wrong with Omen's smoke? Brim doesn't feel good to play?? I fail to see the problem, especially after the buffs.

    • @wickedwitchie8167
      @wickedwitchie8167 Před 2 lety

      @@ProtonSpriter its just personal preference, nothing wrong with omen & brim, just i personally prefer astra. What I meant was that astra, for me, is much more precise with her smokes compared to omen, and brim is forced to play close to his team, which doesnt really fit my playstyle all the time. I'm happy to see other controllers coming into the meta, but i was just saying that I preferred astra much more than omen & brim

  • @Zen_436
    @Zen_436 Před rokem

    Chamber: "HELLO"

  • @rivall8105
    @rivall8105 Před 2 lety +18

    I actually liked playing astra she’s not that boring even though she was op. She does require some skill though

  • @owarida6241
    @owarida6241 Před rokem

    They should have also included a limitted range where astra can place her stars relative to where her first star were place just like chambers rendezvous.

  • @mrpolarbear82
    @mrpolarbear82 Před rokem +2

    Chamber mains: Hold my beer.

  • @dashjeff839
    @dashjeff839 Před 2 lety +3

    This makes riot a very well game company unlike some others like blizzard. (Yeah im not afraid to mention them). Astra is very similar to Brigitte a character that could potentially ruins the game. Riot really listens to their community where their nerf astra and buff other agents that really needs it. And the way they are not afraid to nerf her drastically to make sure the game are still fun to play. Unlike Brigitte where they couldnt nerf her enough they decided to create pick role which ruining the versatility that the player can get and startegies that a pro player could came up with. Thanks riot keep up the good work

  • @llyonnel2847
    @llyonnel2847 Před 2 lety

    The astra bug where you can sell your free star in round 1 and buy a stinger or marshal

  • @broadsword_
    @broadsword_ Před 2 lety +1

    Even you can see Brush playing Brim instead of Viper

  • @jamilangon5798
    @jamilangon5798 Před 2 lety +1

    Astra is still kinda good on other maps but not all maps. also Astra needs coordination of a team however, more than 80% of the player base is low elo and basically kinda hit and miss in comms. it maybe a nightmare in pro/high elo but total clown on lower ranks. imagine astra setting stars in mid fight and being knifed as hearing is reduced and you lose sight of the environment on low elo play.

  • @mrxvintage5414
    @mrxvintage5414 Před 2 lety +1

    i understand this but the problem it that in lower elo like silver very few play astra cyz of her skill barrier i was one of the few who used astra to a good extent and i am disappointed that even tho it is a big issue in pro play in normal low elo ranked it was rlly gud

  • @5hayzi60
    @5hayzi60 Před 2 lety +8

    I played astra as main before taking a 4 month break from the game, just recently started playing again only to see her nerfed. 😢

    • @beak6426
      @beak6426 Před 2 lety +1

      she's still playable, you've just gotta be smarter with star placement

    • @5hayzi60
      @5hayzi60 Před 2 lety +2

      @@beak6426 that is going to be hard, considering the fact i have a brain the size of an almond

    • @beak6426
      @beak6426 Před 2 lety

      @@5hayzi60 LMFAOOO

    • @bartolomeocannibal2060
      @bartolomeocannibal2060 Před 2 lety +1

      @@5hayzi60 well thats the reason they nerfed her =D

  • @fr0styyy928
    @fr0styyy928 Před 2 lety +22

    ngl, i became a controller main because of astra and viper. i enjoyed playing them because of the strategies i can use while playing the game. i don't like playing brim and omen, i just like astra better :///

    • @hawthornedouglas
      @hawthornedouglas Před 2 lety +1

      Yup. Now astra is my pocket pick and I main Chamber and KJ.

    • @ninawayyy
      @ninawayyy Před 2 lety

      feels like a reason to avoid gun fights and aim duels. yeah strategies are good but only if u have a part in it, there should be a balance in both gun fights and utility usage and she could use all her utlity without moving at all by just sitting in spawn (if you want) which doesn't follow the balance

  • @thegiver9591
    @thegiver9591 Před 2 lety +2

    astras are an endangered specis in lower elo lmao

  • @agentmoss8274
    @agentmoss8274 Před 2 lety +1

    As a Astra main i can guarantee that she is the BEST Controller agent that valorant has right now (IMO), one of the reason is that how she can call back the stars and it summons a smoke

  • @josereneticsay32
    @josereneticsay32 Před 2 lety

    You would think Riot would have learned their lesson from League or at the very least realized they need to control their feature creep

  • @xekrongod1350
    @xekrongod1350 Před 2 lety +2

    Astra did not break Valorant, come on guys give her a break, she receives so much hate as it is, and now she's FUCKING NERFED TO THE GODDAMN GROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sorry had to vent a little.
    Sincerely, an Astra main.

    • @zackhanson5254
      @zackhanson5254 Před 2 lety +2

      I love playing Astra. I feel like people don't give her enough credit for being fun to play. She adds a lot of depth and strategy to the game that not a lot of other agents do.

  • @TheRealsNiperz
    @TheRealsNiperz Před 2 lety +1

    Her abilities are pre-bought, but you need to buy these "stars" in order to use them. This is what made her OP I think.

  • @yukoval
    @yukoval Před 2 lety

    Jett be like: Am I a joke to you?

  • @alexcaulfield5208
    @alexcaulfield5208 Před 2 lety

    Dude, why would you want to replace onions

  • @insquared1868
    @insquared1868 Před 2 lety

    Heroshooters aren't mobas, they have to set more focus on gunplay. Especially 5v5 tactical genre. "Heroes" in such FPS's resemble Utility usage but in a more creative way. But this creativity might lead to a huge mistake, which unbalances everything. Just look at r6s Lion at release, 1 button push gave the whole team wallhacks.
    Or look at Apex's Seer at release, also a constant heartbeat sensor passive, a wallhack beam which dealt 20 damage, stuns enemies, cancels/locks every enemy ability + reveals enemy HP for like 20 seconds, and an Ult which gives constant wallhacks in a huge area, whenever an enemy makes a noise in it. Basically a walking wallhack machine.
    When that happens, any gunplay plays a secondary role, since every one is depending on this one OP ability.
    In valorant particularly , it is 1st
    the Smoke/flash/eplosive or molly destrebution between characters. Some are Smokes only and others do "Flash go yeet".
    And raze goes all KABOOM literally.
    And with many characters, such small variety of throwables just has to be shared between characters, and to spice shit up they do the 2nd
    changing properties and executions of the same throwable.
    Best example are smokes, Viper smoke needs to be thrown and additionally activated, it decreases hp/shield of enemy players inside it.
    brimstone actvates 3 smokey by a press of a button, they last for ages. And jett throws short-living airballs which can be mooved midair and yade yade yade.
    With this mix, we develop from knowledge dependend lineups by the whole team, to a pathetic "i click three times on the minimap and shit appears magically" type of bullshit.
    Valorant is enjoyable but far from perfect. It is not for everyone but everyone is playing.

  • @CrAzY799999
    @CrAzY799999 Před 2 lety +1

    Astra, the Brigitte of Valorant lmao
    she's so unique and I love it, but she really needs more than just nerfs.
    I think best they could do is have two separate kind of stars, wherein one is for smokes and the other is for both well and pulse. 3 for smokes, 2 for the others.

  • @bogdantoma3916
    @bogdantoma3916 Před 2 lety

    A meta where everyone is trading abilities, almost no gun usage, Astra showed us how future Valorant is going to look like, if Riot decides to release more agents like her.

  • @brycedaugherty9211
    @brycedaugherty9211 Před 2 lety

    For the outro, I hate onions. I'm okay if they go extinct

  • @idiomasentusiasticos7954

    On god she did. She is so down horrendous when you pair her with a line up agent. You suck the enemy off the spike then shoot them with a lineup. Literally nothing the diffuser can do to escape.
    As long as you get the plant down it’s a 12-0 attacker

  • @benjaminbuchler6064
    @benjaminbuchler6064 Před 2 lety +2

    If you think that Astra broke Valorant then you didn't see Brig in Overwatch, like you can actually kill Astra compared to Brig...

    • @sviitor
      @sviitor Před 2 lety

      They made a video about it

  • @ishaanchandorkar
    @ishaanchandorkar Před rokem

    Lmao this was literally recommended beside the new Chamber video

  • @flarebear5346
    @flarebear5346 Před 2 lety +7

    They nerf astra to the ground while jett has been overpowered since beta

  • @cigarwizard2656
    @cigarwizard2656 Před 2 lety

    This literally remind me of the custom game of pvz garden warfare, but as a agent.

  • @Sehk4nStuff
    @Sehk4nStuff Před 2 lety +1

    That's why I can't take any eSports seriously besides CS, Rocket League and StarCraft(even tho that one is pretty dead).
    Because any character based game is bound to have those kind of shenanigans.
    There's too many variables to consider to reach sustainable balance between all characters without inducing powercreep since you have to keep releasing new characters to keep it fresh and interesting for the playerbase.

  • @Pr0d1g0us
    @Pr0d1g0us Před 2 lety

    this is typical riot - power creep issues with every new addition, for instance - out of 150ish league champs how many are an actual viable pick?

  • @omster_
    @omster_ Před 2 lety

    You got your stats wrong 2:29, Riot unsurprisingly found that copying what CSGO has with the AWP, makes a balanced price of a sniper

  • @fishwarrarior1708
    @fishwarrarior1708 Před 2 lety +1

    Astra broke Valorant.
    later
    Valorant broke Astra.

  • @PPNComedy
    @PPNComedy Před 2 lety +1

    Sad to see the nerfs, she was the first added agent from Africa so I always had a soft spot for her, but the nerfs were necessary. How about some buffs for Africa's only other agent? Show Cypher love please

    • @MebiManga
      @MebiManga Před 2 lety +1

      You see the trailers where he always dies? Yeah, not gonna happen soon.
      Jokes aside, I feel his kit is really pretty great now, he doesn't have damage utilities (except the few times the traps do 5 damage and kill the opponent) but they really help alot with information gathering.

  • @adjuax
    @adjuax Před 2 lety +14

    Instead of nerfing controllers they need to focus more on buffing those that are weaker. Brimstone got slight buffs with stim pack specifically then next patch they remove one of the 💀. Controllers are so essential to playing the game at almost any level but they have only 4 and continue to nerf them.

    • @asclepius.dionysus
      @asclepius.dionysus Před 2 lety

      >release agent which isn't OP, others are weak
      >nerf new agent into the ground making them as weak as everyone else they nerfed
      >repeat
      very saddening but should be expected from Riot lmao

    • @alhassanlol7023
      @alhassanlol7023 Před rokem

      @@asclepius.dionysus it is not happening dude every new agent will be op just like their main game league of legends wheb they release new champion they are always op

  • @EnderPigMan
    @EnderPigMan Před 2 lety

    Replace an onion with shallots. Not a 1:1 but definitely a worthwhile substitute at times

  • @dragos0902
    @dragos0902 Před 2 lety +35

    Even I am on the minority side, i liked playing her a lot because she requires a lot of skill, coordinated play and people in lower ranks than immortal barely played her (and now it is much worse). I agree with the nerfs, except the 1 star removal :(

    • @hawthornedouglas
      @hawthornedouglas Před 2 lety +11

      Same. I think she'd be in a good spot with 5 stars. With 4 she legitimately has fewer abilities than every agent

    • @xxMrPrimeTimexx
      @xxMrPrimeTimexx Před 2 lety +4

      @@hawthornedouglas that's what I didn't like too. Viper has 4 as well but her wall and cloud recharge, Omen has 5 and Brim has 6

    • @saifwithme1021
      @saifwithme1021 Před 2 lety +2

      I think they should wait a little bit before they give her 5th star back

    • @mwuahugz1115
      @mwuahugz1115 Před 2 lety +3

      i can work with 4 stars if u can retake stars faster. they destroyed her too much. she has no strength rn compared to other controllers.

    • @zackhanson5254
      @zackhanson5254 Před 2 lety

      I agree

  • @pheonix-lb4042
    @pheonix-lb4042 Před 2 lety

    12:12 that omen pic🤣

  • @Tinnitus187
    @Tinnitus187 Před rokem +1

    now there two videos with this name xD

  • @Hollow562
    @Hollow562 Před 2 lety +1

    TheScoreEsports always deliver entertaining stories like this! Keep it up 🔥

  • @ladderking
    @ladderking Před 2 lety

    astra isnt fully a val exclusive as her ult is very similar to symettras ult from overwatch

  • @Jee_oon
    @Jee_oon Před 2 lety +1

    I mained astra because of her strategic design. I like to be an IGL like how gla1ve is. Be on a higher plane chale!

  • @korngyt1118
    @korngyt1118 Před 2 lety

    8:07 I agree with him I accidentally put a smoke on entrance so I take it back and my team said I'm trolling cuz I smoke entrance

  • @TrashOrchids
    @TrashOrchids Před 2 lety +1

    sad that she only has 4 stars now i loved her so much... BUT 45 SECS RESET ON THE STARS???? I WILL NEVER FORGIVE RIOT

  • @Kacey_Games
    @Kacey_Games Před 2 lety

    Astra is just a reworked Abathur.
    Change my mind.
    XD

  • @therealhmmmm7366
    @therealhmmmm7366 Před 2 lety

    is it just me or i feel like there should be a new controller in the next act or the one after that

  • @sythlon
    @sythlon Před 2 lety

    Astras wall is sorta like symmetras wall

  • @DuhBla
    @DuhBla Před 2 lety +1

    A company with 200 years of game design experience btw. You can expect that there will be broken characters popping up here and there.

    • @aokay3196
      @aokay3196 Před 2 lety

      200?

    • @DuhBla
      @DuhBla Před 2 lety

      @@aokay3196 its a meme, there was this one time a rioter responded to a thread on reddit about Riot Games balancing issues on their game and this rioter responded, in a now deleted comment, saying "what do you know about game design? We have 200 years of collective game design experience, you think you can do a better job than us?" kind of thing, so people meme on riot games even harder for having "200 years of experience" and still sucking at their job.

  • @sucharithajujuvarappu8717

    Seeing Chamber you say that Valorant future meta is not gonna be busted mate?