Will a Marvel Mystery Oil Piston Soak Fix my Stuck Oil Control Rings in my Honda Accord?
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- čas přidán 26. 10. 2018
- In this video I attempt to free up my potentially stuck oil control rings on my 1996 Honda Accord. I think that they are full of varnish and carbon deposits and not sealing correctly causing me to burn oil, but only in cylinder number 2. If this MMO soak does not work, I will likely have to rebuild the bottom end with new rings. Hoping I don't have to go that route! Thanks for watching!
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I'm doing this to a 95 eclipse as we speak, its been sitting sense Thursday of last week, gonna try to crank it today on my day off. Hopefully mine will turn over finally.
This is an awesome video man! Sucks that you end up having to rebuild, but the MMO was definitely worth a shot. I laughed so hard at the smoke coming out when you drove. Like holy crap, where did the road go?! Hahaha. Here's to hoping you record that build! :]
Thanks bro! Was really hoping I didn't blind everyone for nothing but it is what it is. 😂 Definitely going to be posting videos about the rebuild! Probably going to tear it down this week or something. Thanks for watching!
Yea I found out It was best for me to do the start up after a soak at night time. Had a neighbor at the time who was a real PILL as they used to say! First time it was in the middle of the day and she was going to get her mail. Big mistake, the cloud was huge and steady for a couple of to 5 minutes ..I couldnt even see her until a few minutes had gone by. Hands on her hips, she yelled at me, i"f you do that again I'm calling the Police " 🚔 Ahh memories! One other thing I've found out when doing these soaks, if you move the piston in the cylinder some during the soak (turn crankshaft bolt by hand) you really help it get into the rings better, sometimes! Has really helped with our little Saturn SL-1 oil burning ALOT!!! Thanx; Jethro
Good vid. interesting experiment. I used MMO in my Cessna engine. helped keep valves working properly and kept guides clean.
Thank you. Another interesting use for MMO. I've heard so many!
Mmo does not work ...
First off, add the MMO to you oil when you change it. You can also use transmission oil. Use it as an oil additive. Next, use Chemtool B12 in you combustion chamber. Let that soak for 6 hours, turn the crank 5 times, evacuate the solution and do it again for 3-4 times. If this doesn't fix your issue, your engine needs rebuilding or replacing. Been down this road with my prius, the transmission fluid and MMO in my oil helped a lot.
What was the process in using the transmission oitl?
The video was hilarious! I've had really good luck with mmo. I've never done the soak but I have run it in my oil and it fixed a timing chain tensioner for me. MMO is has high lubricity and high detergent properties but if the rings are worn and have lost their tension then a re-ring job like you did is in order. Glad you didn't have to replace the pistons.
Glad you enjoyed the video haha. I enjoyed making it!
I heard so many good things about MMO that I figured I'd give it a shot. But had no way of knowing exactly how shot the oil control rings were until the teardown. Was glad I spotted the obvious culprit! Does not burn any oil whatsoever now 👌
Thanks for watching!
How did MMO fix your timing chain tensioner? Did you squirt some from an oil can into the tensioner?
@@bobgreene2892 I suspect that the MMO broke down some dirt or built up sludge in the tensioner. I just used a smaller than called for amount, about four ounces, directly poured in the crankcase. I've never used it in the crankcase at the recommended ratio. Just seems like too much but I'm gonna try it on my next oil change. I do use it in the gas tank every time I fill up.
@@jguti329 thanks for your MMO report - I'm compiling MMO reports - since I just started using it. Yes I only used a pint on the crankcase and I could notice the car running strangely. Just being doing two ounces into the gas. So definitely being careful with it - but hopefully it will work as a preventative. I don't have problems YET but I have 240K on the TB.
My sister's 2008 Hyundai Sante Fe had the somewhat infamous VVT "rattle" on startup. From the driver's seat it sounded like an exhaust leak and the engine about to blow up.
After replacing the valve cover gasket and oil pan gaskets to remove the leaks, I ran two 500 mile oil changes of 5w-30 with 20% regular MMO - so 4 quarts of oil, 1 quart of MMO. Rattle was gone almost immediately on the first change, but I did it twice just to make sure. Now I'm changing with the spec'ed 5w-20 oil and 16oz of MMO synthetic at 5k/6 month intervals. Two years later, still no VVT rattle. Engine purrs at idle and hums along nicely at highway speeds, 190,000 miles young.
Reminds me when i smoked the whole parking lot & a young girl walked over and said ; U know your car is smoking- lol , so i said that,s how i know it,s running !
You just made me laugh so hard bro 😂😂😂 that's hilarious
I used mmo before cranking over a 1951 Plymouth that had been sitting since 1982. I use with all kinds of things. Tonight I even put some on top of pistons in a friend's car. Let it soak. Holy smokes show! Seemed to really help the car out too.
Enjoyed the clip and found it helpful. I have the same oil burning problem with my Celica with 195 K on it. Thought of MMO but it is now off the list. Thanks.
Glad you found the video helpful. I've never heard of so many methods. The methods listed in the comments are endless. Def better options out there to try before rebuilding!
Typically people see the best results when it’s in the crankcase. Depending on how many quarts of oil your engine takes, about 20% of your total capacity should be MMO. That way it runs throughout the entire engine and gets a thorough cleaning. Do this several times, including in your fuel tanks and that’ll do wonders for the engine.
Yeah that's what I have always done to all my vehicles, I also switch off every so often with Lucas as well. In reason I watch this video was only have one hand is MMO and I was about to soak a 2 stroke piston head in it for a couple houra hopeful it'd break up the oil and carbon deposits in it.. Now I'm thinking I'm hitting Wal-Mart for a can of seafoam instead lol
Dude, first of all that bottle you used to pour the MMO is awesome... second of all this is the funniest video ever man. I feel like this vid will encourage people to use the MMO to make their cars smoke to a comical extent lol
LMAO it was hysterical man. Didn't work but glad I did it 😂 my dad told me a story about someone that put it in his washer fluid jug and piped the hose into his intake. So the spray would smoke out tailgaters 👌
That looks like an AC Delco X66P bottle.
MMO in crankcase AND fuel regularly. This kept my Cessna 172A engine in great operating shape for many years without compression loss. Airplane engines are prone to compression loss over years...but not mine.
Nice thanks for the information 👍🏼
Nice video, I also did an piston soak but not with MMO once, let it idle till no smoke, thought it wouldn't be that bad. Man the whole road was in oil smoke, cars behind me stopped driving cause they haven't seen anything. And here in germany the laws are pretty extreme.
But now to the oil burning issue, my car does the same, burns oil 1qt / 800miles, smoke after 4500rpm, i also think the oil control rings are gummed up, because the previous owner didn't gave a shit about the car, the oil was all black and dirty, wrong spark plugs were in there and he only drove it for short trips, my pistons also seemed to be really dirty on top.
What helped to clean the top of Pistons - WATER!
They are all shiney now, and the oil burning problem went a bit better (i have it done 2-3 times but not really long or much) from 1qt - 350miles to 1qt - 800miles.
I will also try the MMO soak and some long term run with MMO (1qt in Oil and 4oz in full gas tank) maybe it will clean the oil control rings. I will also do the water decarbonization method again every 1 or 2 weeks.
Have a look on that water method 👍🏼
I really enjoyed this video, cause it reminded me when i drove my car with that (or even more) smoke coming out 😂 greetings fron germany
Thank you for watching and the advice! I'll look into the water method of cleaning them. I just had the cylinder head off of the car, so I was able to clean the tops of the Pistons clean, but not the rings.
If I don't see an improvement in oil consumption soon, I think I will pull the engine out of the car to replace the rings. Sad because it runs so good in it's Current state.
The smoke show is Definitely Hilarious as well as nerve racking 😂 I was expecting to get the police Called on me or something! What kind of car are you having the issue with?
ThatAccordGuy96 yeah, my engine runs really well too, it has about 190's all across the board and wet about 195-200's.
I have an del sol with an d16y8 engine, the engines are pretty cheap, but there is also a risk by buying an used one, so i try to fix the oil consumption issue with MMO and water, if this doesn't make it, i guess i will soak it in 1:1 acetone + atf fluid and well, if this doesn't make it i will either swap another engine in it or do the rings + hone.
I also heard about an method, where you go about 6k rpm in 2th gear and let the engine break to 4k, doing this more times will allow the "rings" to spin, i don't know if this is correct, but i'm doing it sometimes, driving the car hard sometimes (track or something) will also do a good job if the rings are gumed, i do it sometimes. But again, i don't know if this is correct, the car should be at operating temps and i would check the oil before doing, this is how i do it, when i do it.
@@Smallz95 That Is similar to what I have been doing as well! I regularly try to drive aggressively because I feel that the rings have the best shot at breaking free if the Pistons are moving really fast. The engine braking thing is a little different I will try that.
It's hard for me to beat on the car that hard, since my exhaust is stupid loud and I will definitely get pulled over if the police happen to hear me coming 😂
Thx! Could you please describe the Cleaning Process with Water...I assume steam but want to make sure. Greetings..
Used marvel mystery oil all my life for various chores - I recently bought a John deer 855 series tractor with a Yanmar diesel. It had a stuck ring and was smoking - I put about 1/2 30 wt and 1/2 marvel mystery oil - then mowed the 2 acre yard and worked the engine - changed the oil and filter and repeated the process - mowing my yard takes about 3.5 hours - after the second dose I changed the oil and filter again and put the required oil - that was 4 years ago and the tractor uses NO OIL . You have to work the engine to get the mmo behind the stuck ring to get it loose - might take several hours...
Yeah that's quite the drive cycle there with your mower. Glad it worked for you! Not sure it would have ever helped for me seeing as how the oil relief holes in the Pistons were clogged solid with carbon lol. But it's definitely got it's uses! Thanks for sharing!
This might work for minor gunked up control rings but not ones that are basically a solid ring of carbon. I think this is the distinction that people are not identifying.
Before seeing this video, I did something similar, put MMO into each cylinder of a Toyota Matrix w 220,000 miles that didn't smoke but used oil. 24+ hours before running it. Wow, it didn't smoke when I first started it, but within a minute it looked like a James Bond smokescreen car, and it took a while to burn off. I think it did soften carbon deposits within the cylinders so there was some burn off. I drove on a trip that week that was over 1200 miles round trip, and oil consumption was down noticably, and the engine felt more responsive. But my issue wasn't as serious as yours, just what seemed to have been oil blow by.
Nice, glad it all worked out for you man, yeah like you said mine was an extreme case. If you catch it early enough then you can have success like you did! Nice!
How long did it take to burn off
@@alexwilliams4334 The onramp for the interstate is about a mile and a half from my house, and I'd say the majority of heavy smoke was rolling in that distance. It probably burned off entirely within 10 minutes. I was concerned that I'd look like a rolling chimney going down the highway, but it dissipated pretty quick.
I used a similar technique using Seafoam twice over two days/nights & twice with Marvel Mystery Oil. I bumped the starter with spark plugs out & after sucking all liquid out to move pistons to a different position. My '91 Honda Civic si use to burn tons of oil & now it doesn't burn any oil anymore. The rings must have been carboned up & frozen. Be careful not to get oil into the catalytic converter because it will destroy it.
Ha! You were choochin like Spy Hunter there!
Awesome!
Haha it was pretty bad 😂 I assume everyone thought my car was blowing up and I had it floored like I didn't care 😂
I think I would have let the MMO sit in the car for at least 3 days to a week to make sure it had enough time to soak into the build up on the piston rings.
I hear that, however most of it would eventually leak past the rings into the oil pan after a few hours anyway. Not sure if leaving it for longer would have helped
@@ThatAccordGuy Wouldn't doing that with throttle body cleaner do a better job of cleaning the combustion chamber and piston rings?
Going in the throttle body is mostly for cleaning valves and top engine stuff. Doesn't do much for the rings
@@ThatAccordGuy he was talking about using throttle body cleaner.
The single best way to free up your oil control rings is with a clear
penetrating oil such as WD-40 and allow to soak several hours while periodically rotating crankshaft manually.
That may have worked, but when I disassembled the engine, the rings were very clogged with deposits that had to be scraped out. And the oil holes in the Piston had to be drilled out. this was a very bad case scenario. Car is fixed with new rings now! Thanks for the advice though.
Drain half of your oil and refill with kerosene, you can pour even a liter more. Run your engine for around 15 minutes at idle and you can rev it slightly and gently up to 1,5-2k rpm for very short time, just enough to spray the parts inside and flow the oil a bit better. Stop the engine and let it cool down then drain everything and change your oil and filter. Drive like this for 2-3 weeks then do the same. Do this 3-4 times. Each time you are doing this, the night before take the spark plugs out, take the pistons to the same level and fill the cylinders with kerosene, and from time to time put the car in gear and push-pull it ever so slightly to rock the pistons up and down so the kerosene can get in the piston ring grooves. This is the method i used to fix my stuck piston rings. My oil consumption was like up to a liter per 500km. I was asked 1,2-1,5k bucks for engine repair which i wasn't able to give. With the method described above i could spread my expenses in 2 months as well as fixing the problem for 6 times less cash. Good luck to everyone. And note that this is for running cars but neglected and not changed oil which has gummed up the piston rings and can't help you if you try to apply it to a car or engine that has sat for a long time without use where moisture may have gotten into the cylinders and the source of the problem is corrosion rather than cooked oil. (another hint: if you can't find kerosene, use diesel - it's the same but lower quality)
That sounds like a good process man thanks for the detailed post. Will definitely be good for others to see. I have already torn down my engine and the rings we're very stuck after maybe 3 or 4 MMO soakings with little improvement. If you watch a later video of mine you can see the Pistons and their clogged oil holes which didn't allow the oil to pass through them. I had to drill them out by hand. Maybe it would have worked for me eventually but when it's an extreme case of neglect and build up, a rebuild is probably best. But I could afford it and am able to do it myself. Hopefully once I get it back together it doesn't burn any oil at all. Glad you were able to remedy your problem tho!
None of these solvent engine "repairs" apply to ones with cat converters
ThatAccordGuy l
Got a 1963 Plymouth Belvedere 318 poly and it had no compression so filled the cylinders with Marvel Mystery oil a day later cranked it over put the plugs back in and it fired right up....
If you haven't pulled the motor already. I would run Royal Purple oil. It has the most detergents in it. I don't advise using it on high mileage vehicles but in your case.. It's a hail Mary to get it clean. Sometimes on high mileage vehicles the sludge is what's keeping it from leaking, Royal Purple will remove that sludge and may cause leaks. Good video.
Thanks for watching bro and for the suggestions. I did rebuild the motor with new rings and a cylinder hone. Running perfectly now!
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Check your PCV valve...you'd be surprised how often it's that simple. If they stick open it can suck oil straight into the fuel system......or I could be way off base..but i've had that issue a couple of times over the years and different vehicles.
That absolutely can be a cause for oil burning. But in my case, I cleaned and then removed the PCV just to be sure with no change observed.
@@ThatAccordGuy well...I tried..lol..seems to sound/run too well for all that oil smoke though..perplexing situation..best of luck either way.
@@buttercupwalker I do appreciate the suggestion. When I first got my Silverado pickup it burned a ton of oil and a new redesigned pcv solved the problem. Now I have no oil consumption whatsoever 6 years later. Amazing how issues can be caused by something so simple sometimes.
Much EASIER to fill crank case with smokeless motor oil, (Yes I have used it)
@@johnnybynum967 haha I didn't know that existed!
Use the Marvel Mystery Oil in as fuul gas tank several times in a row then you'll see a difference.
If it smokes @ 4000 RPMs then it would likely be worn or broken piston rings and/or cylinders(s).
I did the 50/50 acetone/ATF trick on my dads Honda lawnmower as it was burning a bit of oil when it was cold,I just let it soak in the mix overnight.
It seems to have stopped it from smoking.
I rebuilt a Nissan RB30 that had that oil control ring issue & I slapped a 24 valve Nissan RB25 head onto it but didn't change the valve stem oil seals which shrink & crack when sitting in the warehouse in Japan for about 5 years.
It blew a puff of smoke on startup only but at 7000 RPMs it didn't burn any oil.
You're right on with that. It was worn and gunked up oil control rings. I knew it was rings because valve stem seals will leak when the engine is under heavy vacuum if they're that bad not under WOT. If they're not that bad, just a little trickles down while the car sits and gives that startup puff you've got. I'd have been fine with a bit of smoke on startup haha. It's rebuilt now with new rings and a turbo making good power.
Thanks for watching!
The lawnmower smoked up today so it looks like I have to pull it down & replace the rings.
That additive thing didn't work out for me either !
@@RussellBooth1977 sometimes the only way is a good ole fashioned rebuild. good luck man!
I watched this video where this other guy he did the same thing you did but he put compressed air into the cylinder to force the Marvel mystery oil down by the oil rings and it seemed to help him a lot.
That is a really good idea. I actually did perform the test again using that method suggested by my father. Definitely seems like it could work in some minorly stuck ring scenarios. My oil relief holes in the Pistons were clogged solid. I rebuilt with everything cleaned, honed, and new rings and it doesn't burn a drop.
@@ThatAccordGuy ok yeah in less extreme cases that may definitely help. But im glad you got it fixed. Well done sir!! Btw from watching your video im going to do the same thing to my 89 f250 with a 460. I just bought it and getting it all cleaned up and doing all i can to make her last for many more years.
@@dehydratedwater9734 thank you! Nothing like giving an old neglected vehicle a new life where it's taken care of. Anything can run forever with proper care and maintenance! Thanks for watching and good luck with your 250. Sounds like fun!
It seems that every MMO test yields this result. I lube my bicycle chains with it though. It works great for that.
Rings do get stuck. I did a ring and valve once on a cast iron V-8. So much carbon in the rings that I had to break them to get them out. But if I had used Mystery Oil or another product with a similar function and driven the vehicle about 2000 miles on the highway, that would have burned the carbon out. It was a 390 Ford in front of Cruise-O-Matic. Nice combo in the day, but stuck rings were common in cast iron Fords especially, even 6 cyl Falcons. Change your oil according to the maintenance schedule. Doing it more often than that will not hurt anything, obviously.
Yeah this car was neglected for many years before I got it. It's running great after a fresh rebuild with new rings. The holes in the piston for oil evacuation had to be drilled out they were so Carbone's up. Thanks for the info and watch!
@@ThatAccordGuy Drivers have to understand, you have to change the oil. In all likelihood, even a 7500 mile interval would prevent these kinds of problem. I bought a 2001 4cyl Camry Solara 2.2L with 103 K about 18 months ago. It was owned by an elderly driver and that was the problem, it turned out. It probably was driven only about 10 miles a week for several years. It had, I found out, numerous oil leaks. When I changed the valve cover gasket, I saw that the cam area was full of sludge. The camshaft seal leaked and so did the oil pump seal. So do the front and rear crankshaft seals. I'm not done fixing everything yet. With two more years on the vehicle and the mileage higher, and one of the fog light broken thanks to some road debris probably lost by some idiot who bought a bunch of stuff at Lowes or Home Depot, piled it in his pickup bed, and then went on the freeway, it probably is worth about half of what it was when I bought it. I can't fix the rear seal at home where I live, so it may never be fixed at this point.
Runs nice nevertheless, but the seal leaks undoubtedly are due to lack of maintenance. Incessant short trips are considered severe duty, and there is a time element as well as a mileage element to the oil change recommendations. If you don't drive the vehicle, the bad oil will damage the seals.
@@anonymike8280 I absolutely agree. I always tell people if you do anything for your car just get the oil changed on time. I go every 3500 on my truck with full synthetic. Small price to pay for a long lasting vehicle.
This Honda basically had all the same problems as the Camry you've got. Numerous leaks and issues. I think the previous owners just added oil as it leaked out. It's a shame people don't know much about cars these days. They just drive them until they break. Best of luck with your Toyota, high mileage oil may help a bit, it has chemicals that swell the seals to try and stop leaks. Not the best solution but might be worth a shot!
@@ThatAccordGuy But it took me this long to figure it all out. Another issue is the specification of the engine and the product. I am convinced, if you stay within the specifications of conventional oil, there is no benefit to using synthetic. In my vehicle, that means 3000 mile or three month oil changes. It's a ten minute job at the curbside with a 2.2L Toyota. The filter drains back completely, and you can remove it by hand. The drain pan is a storage type and it goes straight to the parts store for recycling.
Many vehicles are more difficult, but there are always solutions, including finding a shop that does it el cheapo. You get a no-name filter and no name oil, but it's better than nothing. The oil will meet specs.
@@anonymike8280 it is said to have better lubrication properties but yeah as far as breaking down and for the sake of cost, conventional may be the way to go.
My Honda is so easy to change the oil. Everything was simple on these 90s Honda's thankfully. I agree that new oil is good oil and better than old dirty oil even if it is synthetic.
Ive heard of a Kerosene Soak also but I have no experience with it, but it appears to be much stronger than MMO/Seafoarm/Berrymans etc
I heard diesel too
Is that a Cummins 12 valve?
When your rings are worn out or if you have scratches in the cylinder walls there is nothing short of an overhaul that will fix it!
Tru that!
I had a 1995 corolla 1.8 16v and burned oil and on decelleration it smoked huge clouds.I changed the valve stem seals no luck compression was perfect then I figured it out the head gasket was leaking oil into 2 and 3 cylinders.Toyota uses multi ply gasket that can seperate as its a defective design.
You should try flushing it with diesel and one quart of transmission oil and let it run for half an hour and then flush it change your filter before you do that and afterwards put a new one in you oil
Car was fixed by a rebuild but thanks for the suggestion
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You will fixing it keep working on it.
I wonder if this method of adding MMO into the cylinders and let it soaked for 24 or so would helps with my engine burning oil at high rpm in my Civic.
It might, just because it didn't work for me doesn't mean it won't for you. Ultimately the best way to fix it is a rebuild like I ended up having to do. But worth a shot! Check to make sure it doesn't all leak down.
Yes, you will burn more oil.
do you have to disable the fuel pump fuse before cranking the engine ?
Yeah you could so you don't accidentally flood the engine
Put in AT205 Reseal. It's a very high end product. It worked for my 454 Chevy in my motorhome.🐈
Thanks for the tip man, engine has since been rebuilt thought. Glad it worked for you!
What process, exactly, did you use to get your good outcome?
My engine takes 7 qts. I put in 6, let it warm up for 20 minutes, then slowly add the AT205. Worked perfect. I have a 1988 Winnebago Superchief. It has 106k miles, pulls 23 inches of vaccum and is adjusted to 10 degrees of advance at idle. 😺
@@catgolfer1 So it isn't a soak, right? You put directly into the engine with the oil, right? The AT-205 isn't a quart, so do you follow it up with more oil to total 7 quarts of fluids? How often do you do this? TIA...
You can fill the rest with your motor oil. I do this every other oil change. I change my oil every 2k miles because it's a motorhome. You should change yours at least every 5k miles depending on your driving and age of vehicle, depending on the mileage in your vehicle, I would do it at every oil change. Sounds like you have a car over 100k miles.
Engine condition is bad. There is a video on how to use MMO. LOL You needed to MMO soak, 500 mile flush, treat oil and put in gas as upper cylinder lubricant. It will make huge improvement. Also, put a catch can on the car and clean PCV valve!
Thanks for the suggestions man but I rebuilt the motor with new rings and the problem is fixed. Couldn't stand to drive it like that any longer.
Hey man. Question about your opinion on this. If the product says you can mix with oil in crankcase and you said you noticed some of it drained into oil pan do you still think it's necessary to extract mmo from spark holes after letting it soak? I saw this other video where dude pours in mmo in 4 cylinders then immediately re-inserts spark plugs. Now I dont know if thats the way to go either but am curious about it doing anyharm if just left there for a night or two and not removed.
I personally don't think it's absolutely necessary. I just did that to make sure that there wasn't enough fluid in the cylinders to hydrolock the motor. Probably wouldn't be, but I didn't want to take the chance, so if you crank it out then there's no chance of there being too much liquid in the cylinders.
After further research, and seeing what happened most of the MMO had already leaked past the rings anyway. Probably wouldn't have been an issue
@@ThatAccordGuy thanks for the response. My thoughts were along those lines as well
By the way all the research I've done says that sea foam was meant for 2 stroke engines not four stroke
Then you did piss poor research
I saw those mechanic videos also. Scotty maaan
That's the "problem" with gen5's, they can have all kinds of problems but they just keep running. Most people just keep going without repairs cuz they rarely ever will leave you broken down on the side of the road.
In the year that I've had this car, thrashing on it and pushing 10 lbs of boost, not once has it let me down. Super reliable car so far.
Should you disconnect the ig coil fuse before cranking without the spark plugs?
I believe I did have the igniter unplugged in the video. May not have mentioned it. But yeah best not to have it sparking with flammable fluid around. Fuse is another way you could do it for sure
Thank you for that info.
Best way to unstick some carbon deposited rings is to use a product called "winks" they sell it at walmart ,its designed for cleaning glass and forks n knives,it breaks down carbon instantly,like nothing else,all you do is take out spark plug,ad winks,take compressed air blow into cylinder,then change oil and I can assure you you'll no longer have gummed up stuck rings!
Thanks for the suggestion bro 👍
Take the spark plugs out put 2 tablespoons of oil 5w 30 do a compression test if the compression is high and the oil made a difference your rings are bad the oil acts as a temporary seal so you know if it's the valve seats or the piston rings
I have heard of that! Definitely a good trick. Usually a compression test will only test your compression rings though. I rebuilt the motor since then and the oil control rings were very clogged. The compression rings were relatively clean and working properly. I installed all new rings and fixed the problem! Thanks for watching and commenting bro
Try forte its an english oil treatment but it has so many great reviews and actually works apparently car went from 600 miles per quart of oil to 3,000 with no oil used
You could do the same thing with diesel fuel...best if the motor is already hot. After a hard drive, shut off engine and immediately pull the plugs and pour diesel into the plug holes. The fuel will immediately boil, loosening up carbon deposits wherever it flows...like the rings and grooves. Diesel fuel isn't only volatile hydrocarbons, but also detergents.
It's a bad idea to mess with threads on a hot aluminum cylinder head
I've heard that but never had a problem with it
Freaking hilarious!!! 😂
Good effort, im about to pour some carb cleaner im my 1zz Toyota
The smoke usually isnt carbon. Its just the petroleum in the cleaner burning off. Seafoam and mmo both do this because They're petroleum based.
Yeah that makes sense to me. Carbon burning would probably be more black smoke than the greyish white smoke that the MMO made.
@Rusty Highlander luckily I am not running a catalytic converter. Otherwise it would certainly have burned out with all the oil I was burning lol.
I would submit, if it’s the oil rings, they will just let the MMO by, and into the crankcase, especially if you do it with a cold engine. The rings seal better when it’s warm.
It’s most likely worn out cylinders
Cylinders were worn but I honed with new rings and the problem is fixed
I would have left the BG109 in there for at least 1,000 miles. Have you thought about Kroil?
The BG 109 stuff you're only supposed to rev the car for a while and drain it immediately. I don't think it's good for the bearings to actually drive with it in there. The motor has been rebuilt with new rings and no longer burns oil. Thanks for the suggestion tho.
If a ring actually stuck, the piston could not move. If a oil control ring is the problem, either it is caked up with carbon which is NOT soluble in oil, or it is excessively worn.
Yeah was caked with carbon
i might try this. my ‘02 Corolla is now burning approx 1 quart for every 100-150 miles and it’s getting quite expensive lol. it doesn’t leak, and it doesn’t smoke. so it might be valve seals as well.
Yeah if it smokes on startup and then goes away. It's usually valve stem seals. But if it's under wide open it's going to be your piston rings.
@@ThatAccordGuy what if it’s under both. Car just smokes all the time and burns a lot of oil as well as ticks in the valve train. Is there anything I can do to ‘fix’ it or minimize it or do I actually have to rebuild the motor
If you just had stuck rings, it will be worth trying something like this maybe. With mechanical problems however, it will need a rebuild eventually. You could try some Lucas oil supplement for the valve train. Also you could run the MMO to try to clean out the rings in the meantime. But yeah no chemical will fix valve train tick. Unless your valves are out of adjustment.
@@ThatAccordGuy i’m no longer in ownership of the vehicle, but the new owner got the issue mitigated by a large margin, and it ended up being that the compression was all messed up due to the valve cover not being tight at all. the car had another owner after me before this guy owned it, and i guess that that previous owner after me had tinkered with it more and made it worse. eventually, it got to the point where the car wouldn’t start and then found out it was due to low compression. the threads inside the head to hold down the valve cover were stripped, so he rented a tool from auto parts store and fixed the issue.
i’m just going to say that the car was not meticulously maintained throughout its life, well, it was actually maintained poorly.
@@benschwab3592 yeah... I’d delete this. Valve cover compression... good lord🤦🏻♂️
I did same with redex and it filled the valley,I could hear police,so I pulled over and switched engine off, police went passed me🤣
That's awesome lmao. Probably wondering where all the smoke went
I understand that it's a small engine and consequently is going to rev higher, I wonder if you have heard about diesel fuel in the cylinders, nothing dissolves carbon and engine deposits like diesel fuel, personally I think the rings are worn but that's what happens when you get some serious miles on your car
Yep rings were worn. New rings fixed it. Worth all the thinking tho lol
You can replace your piston ring thru drain pan but better check the piston bore if there's any scratch
I ended up fully rebuilding the motor with new rings. Pulled the motor and honed the cylinder walls. Fixed it right away!
Make a mix of bon ami and motor oil and pour an ounce into the cylinder and crank the motor with spark plugs off.
You could also do a leak down test to see how wore out it is
I've rebuilt the motor with new rings and a cylinder hone and the problem is gone, she doesn't burn a drop anymore. Leak down doesn't show oil rings, just compression rings typically because mine leak down tested just fine.
So what was the problem?
You seem to have considerable engine rebuilding skill, so how did you develop that? Are you in the auto repair trade? Your video on the engine tear-down is the one I would like to see.
Thank you! I am not a mechanic by trade, I build cabinets currently haha. This is the first engine I have ever rebuilt. My father is a mechanic, so I learned most things from him, the rest on the internet.
I show the stuck rings and clogged oil relief holes in the Pistons in my engine teardown video. Thanks for watching man!
@@ThatAccordGuy hi , a link to the engine teardown?
I have a 1999 Chevy prism and it burns oil mostly when I drive it on the freeway. I changed the pcv valve and still doing the same shit. Only has 65,000 miles too. I put over 3 quarts of oil with in 1500 miles. It’s my beater though but crazy how much oil it burns
Yeah something like that man it's probably going to be the oil rings that are bad. That's a lot of oil to be burning. 1qt every 2000 miles is considered within spec for some much newer vehicles.
I mixed MMO and seafoam and did the same then slowly turned the motor over for a few hours
This happened to me but I squirt pb blaster in the hole let it sit first hard to start but then was ok
Piston rings smoke all the time if they are shot. Clouds when romping on it are usually valve seals or guides
Lol compression rings and oil control rings are different and you can have good compression and burn oil so you know.
I did a head gasket rebuild, cleaned the tops of the pistons and I believe some debris made it's way down to the rings and made them stick. Along with possibly washing the walls down. The oil control rings were so stuck and gunked up they couldn't reseal. The compression rings were fine tho no loss of compression. Compression test guarantee it wouldn't have shown anything. It ran fine. Just smoked
One question I do have though is there any fluid that actually did do the job without tons of excess smoke? Also if you didn't appoint another report what was the culprit for the ridiculous amount of oil consumption? I mean that number 3 spark plug looked horrible was that thing even sparking? Nice paint job on the motor though it does look cool 😎 oh and one more question, DC Marvel Mystery Oil actually break up any junk on the top of piston head especially in that number 3 cylinder to allow for a better Arc or was it just as bad as before?
The real problem was the oil control rings and they were so caked up and stuck that it would have taken driving around for a while with chemicals in the oil or something go free them up. No one soak was going to help. Just huge amounts of carbon stuck in there. I've got a video of the rebuild showing the rings. MMO in my opinion didn't make a huge difference.
@@ThatAccordGuy damn that aucks you ended up having to tear into it. I've done that many times on old 350 small block chevy motors, before the automotive computer age. But that was back when gapping your spark plugs and twisting your distributor to dial in the timing on your motor was the most advanced part of the motor LOL. I was hopeful that the MMO made more of a difference in breaking up all that carbon buildup in the short-term but I guess that's not what it's formulated for. I have used MMO in all my vehicles for years, but I wasn't sure if it was kind of a quick solution formulation like seafoam. I was hoping I could use the MMO as soak to just pour into my cylinder to break up the carbon buildup while the Piston is at top dead center keeping both valves closed. Only because I don't have any seafoam on hand but looks like I'm going to have to get some. I think MMO is more of a preventive maintenance kind of additive, and I use it to help prevent the buildup from getting to that where is just completely caked up like your cars was. I usually buy the gallon jug of it and pour about 4 oz in every time I fill up my truck or my wife's car. I usually run 2 gallons of it through both vehicles, then I switch up to Lucas fuel additives for a little while usually a couple months then switch back. I think the reason you were seeing massive amounts more smoke was that the MMO was doing its job, it's just your car was like you said so caked on that it was breaking it up and sending it out of the tailpipe but there was just too much at that point. I did LOL whenever you got the shot of the road behind you. I cleaned my old ranger using the seafoam hot motor method and poured some into the intake after warming it up. Killing it ant letting it set for 10 or 15 minutes and when I started it it looked worse than your car, I thought my truck was catching fire but it did run better after that
I agree more for preventative maintenance. That smoke cloud was something I'll definitely never forget. Too funny. I hope I get to try this or seafoam on another car one day. Thanks for watching and the comments!
I'd love to see someone use only mmo for oil. Wonder what would happen wonder if it would actually work
Would probably go for a little while. It's very thin, so it might have low pressure. Wouldn't try it on my car lol
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It’s been done and the engine blew up
Has been done here in Minnesota when temps are very frigid. Before synthetic oil with no harm.
You know when u have a bad valve stem seal when it blows smoke real bad on startup because the oil leaks down the valve overnight. Chevy 305's always blow blue smoke on startup because of that.
I know this vid is old, but I've had good luck with WD-40 for unsticking stuck oil rings in small engines. Worth a shot if you've not torn into it yet.
Thanks for the tip man but yeah it's got a new set of piston rings in it now. They we're very gunked up. Many years of neglect took it's toal on this engine. She's fixed now tho!
@@ThatAccordGuy awesome! Glad to hear ya got it taken care of
@@littlebearish how did you use WD 40?
@@saifrusu6506 Exactly the same way he's using it. Pour it in and let it sit. If you ever have an engine apart, spray the carbon build-up with WD-40. It destroys the stuff. Can literally wipe it off with a rag.
haha that cloud of smoke has me dying
I got a old s10 the burns oil in two cylinders..they all pass compression test..so I just add marvel mystery oil and drive it .. may ad 2 quarts of oil a week..its goting better more than worse..so I clean the plugs now and agin and don't worry bout it..doesnt pay to put money in a old car mise wel just get your use out of it unless you enjoy tinkering like I do on stuff
Good to hear it's getting better for you! Mine was too much oil for me to deal with so I rebuilt the motor with new rings. Now it doesn't burn a drop! This is a project far for me so it has to be perfect! Haha thanks for watching bro.
I got a 1995 s10 and it blowing blue smoke due to burning oil how did you fix yours so I can get.mine smogged
I would just say I was mosquito busting. LOL
Hahaha it's believable right?
The rings could be shot, I'd replace the rings, and pistons if the theyre scored up. A lot of these people dont know shit about an engine. once an engine starts smoking like that, theres a good chance the cross hatch in the cylinder walls are gone. hone the cylinders and get a good cross hatch back on the cylinder walls. That helps lubrication of the rings. replace main and rod bearings while you've got it torn down that far.
That is exactly what I'm planning on doing haha. I've got the motor sitting on the stand as we speak. About to tear it down in the next few days. I'll post more on it!
Toyota Tacoma that has been sitting a few years has MMO soaking in the cylinder heads for a few weeks right now. Hopefully will not have tailpipe smoke long.
Good luck!
Have you figured out the rootcause of the issue? I have a car that smokes and would like to know
I have not yet figured it out for sure. At this point I'm thinking it's either something with the oil control rings still. Whether they're flipped or broken. Or worn valve guides. Either way the motor has to come apart. I'm planning to tear the engine apart soon if it doesn't get better and hopefully I can find the cause. I'll definitely post a video on it and my findings.
You should do the same thing with carb or injector cleaner. Then change the oil
I put my throttle body. In a pan of heat from doller general it cleaned all the carbon from it I tryed chipping it out with a. Screw driver would not Come out it was hard as a liberals brain But the heat desolved it 100 percent clean let set over night So it should work for rings Worth a try
Id try seafoam in crankcase change oil and add Engine Restore
The motor has since been rebuilt. But thanks for the suggestion!
How’d you get your engine so clean
I had just done a Cylinder head job so I painted the head while I had it off and a bunch of other stuff as well.
I did this and it worked on my car but I did a hot soak. Right after I ran it and it was hot I dumped marvel in each hole cranked the engine over a few times but the plugs back in and let it sit over night and the following day started it and the cylinder I was having bad problems with. Was alot better it helped alot. Did it completely eliminate the issue. no. But I was pretty happy for a $4 investment
If it is a turbo car the turbo might be leaking oil?
Wasn't a turbo car back then haha. Is now tho
How much oil were you burning or loosing between oil changes? If less than a quart with a 185k on any motor will smoke a little, burn or loose a little oil.
I have added MMO directly into oil at an oil change. And it cleaned a lot of crude out of the motor. If your trying to clean the rings or sludge you add to your oil drive it 500-1000 miles then do a fresh oil change.
My car leaks oil from the valve covers but it smokes. White smoke is fine but if your engine is blowing blue smoke that is the oil issue.
From your video it didn’t seem to be blowing that much. If you were burning or loosing less than a quart between oil changes. Some car manufacturers deem that as normal from a brand new car.
I have been changing my own oil for 30 years. My current car is the only one I have had issues with excessive oil loose. Due to the valve cover gaskets and a gasket behind the oil filter mount. It has 260k on it.
I totally understand oil consumption in new cars man, I work on new cars and a lot of them burn oil right from factory. This car would smoke only really bad at wide open throttle, but that's how I drove it, cause it's my fun car. Wasn't willing to live with that. All of the oil changes with different chemicals and putting cleaners in the crank case seemed to reduce the sludge in the motor greatly but the rings were still gunked solid.
I appreciate you watching and your comment! Keep changing your own oil, so many people don't do anything to their own cars these days. ✌️
Did you do a compression test? That should let you know if the rings are bad.
A compression test will test the compression rings. But it's not so good at testing the oil control rings because they don't hold the compression.
It may be an overall indicator of how worn the rings are but in my case the compression rings were fine but the oil control rings were stuck.
@@ThatAccordGuy OK thank you.
How do you know its stuck rings and not worn out engine?
For me personally the problem developed overnight. I tried to do a head gasket job and it burned oil every since. When rings are worn, it happens over time, not all of the sudden after a rebuild. That's how I knew they were stuck. Granted they were a little worn too but that wasn't my main issue.
First of all GM top engine cleaner needs to sit 3 hours. And the only way to really test oil burn - usage, is to change the oil and then drive it gently for starters, then monitor the dipstick for usage
The car only smoked at around 4k and above rpms. It's a fun car for me, so I will be revving all the way out frequently and can't have it dumping oil out the exhaust. I fixed the car since then. Put new rings in it.
Honda had a Technical Service Builtin about this SB-10053785-3103. Your rings have spun around, and are causing the oil blow-by and fouling your plugs. It was a class action lawsuit that they settled. Unfortunately, Honda says the extended warranty of this TSB is only good for 8 years past your original build date. Unlimited mileage, but only eight years. You will have to pull the piston on #2 clean and replace. Honda quoted me $1500 bucks.
Wow that's very likely a possibility. Thanks for sharing that. I wonder exactly what could cause the rings to spin like that. I'll certainly look out for that when I do disassemble the engine.
Did you end up getting yours fixed? Or did you junk it?
@@ThatAccordGuy I am going to change or clean the fouled plug until it has 200K. Should hit it in about 8mo. It fouls the plug in about 6k miles now, so I will just deal with it, and save my money.
@@ronnieverette4567 Yeah I hear that. It's honestly not terrible when I'm just driving normally. Only when I go wide open throttle does it smoke. But I can't have that lol I beat the crap out of this car. Let me know how the plugs look! I am going to pull mine soon too check them out.
I had a spun ring pack that I got staggred up again, by runnin it at 7Krpms for a few long drives. 1st gear all the way.
did you ever replace the piston rings? did it work?
Yes I did. And it did fix the problem
Well you supposed to let it soak for 24 hours and turn the engine here and there by your hand actually let it soak for 24 to 48 hours
Did you put MMO in the oil?
Yeah I did put some. Was too impatient to drive around and let it work though. Couldn't handle the smoke
I own a Mazda. I feel your pain man. I’ll be trying MMO here in a couple of days in the crankcase. Mine smokes on colds startup but goes totally away after warming up. Doesn’t return till the next day.
Your problem is most likely valve stem seals my dude if it smokes on startup and not during wide open throttle.
seafoam
What engine Mazda? czcams.com/video/3mI-gs3fQnA/video.html
Per my video you will see mine smoke at startup only, valve seals. No big deal. If your is similar.
FORD PROBE GARAGE STUDIO I just got through seeing your video. My Mazda is an 02 Protege5 with the 2.0 FSDE engine, which is the successor to the engine you have in your probe. Mine smokes a blue cloud early on, like yours in the video. Lasts for about 15 seconds then you never see it again. I’ve thought about valve seals but it’s not a job I’m comfortable tackling.
@@EliHernandezy808 agree. A running car with a little smoke is better than a car in pieces in your garage, or a $1,000 shop bill that you find out broke other items also. Drive and enjoy. That is my dilemma with my Probe’s transmission.
You should oversize the piston light flywheel and balance
In the future I'll do 85.5mm oversize forged pistons with forged rods and have it bored for my turbo setup to run more boost. But right now the motor is fixed running great.
Follow up? Maybe could have tried Seafoam? I'll read the comments now as this may have been covered.
Yeah ended up rebuilding the motor
Do a compression test and if its good put a full bottle in the engine oil so it can break up the chunks...
Thanks for the tips man, fixed it with a rebuild. The rings were toast! Glad you had success with the product tho
My 2007 Toyota Camry (2AZ-FE engine) burns like a quart every two weeks, I always forget to check the mileage that it burns at. Where did you order your rings from? I don't really know which manufacturer to go with on this. I want oem, but since the oem piston rings are the reason for the recall on the cars with this engine, I want to stay away from them.
I think I went with nippon piston rings. I think oem ones would probably be okay as long as you do regular oil change intervals. Likely that the previous owner did not and what's why you're having this issue.
You can go your local dealership’s Toyota Parts Department to buy the oem one, they redesign the ring so it should be ok.
@@swtfvk Turns out it''s the valve seals. Blue smoke only out the tailpipe when i first start it up. Gonna do rings after. All I have to do is go to the service department for oem parts?
Wonders aloud, “how often did he do/have done oil changes?”
A lot of engines probably *want* 100% synthetic oil, *AND* frequent oil changes, e.g. 3-4000 miles at a maximum, not the much longer intervals the manufacturer specifies.
Try acidtone trans fluid 50 50
Use restore it worked for me I put it in a old engine it kept getting better.
Thanks for the advice, the car has been rebuilt with new rings and is running good now!
What is “Restore”. Could you provide the full name of the product?
What header is this and exhaust.
Just a $160 eBay header back exhaust kit
What did you find? Worn piston rings or where they just stuck?
The oil control rings were worn and stuck in their grooves on top of it. The compression rings were just fine. The holes in the Pistons for oil to escape were clogged solid as well. I've got a video of the teardown if you're interested.
@@ThatAccordGuy I'll check it out thanks
@@ThatAccordGuy if it's just the oil control rings and not compression rings, how long could I run like that while adding oil every other week? I haven't done any compression testing but the engine pulls just fine so I think compression is normal. Don't have the time or know how to rebuild the engine.
I'd be a little worried about what the oil burning would do to the catalytic converter long term. Could cause premature failure but otherwise it's not the end of the world to just keep topping it off.
2 things
you said you can put this stuff in the gas and oil, SO WHY DIDNT YOU DO THAT ??
second, ive seen other videos where ppl have used this for other things like sticky lifters and its worked, but it takes time, does not work instantly
GOOD STUFF BRUH,,,,TOO LONG 😥