JJ Redick Talks About Why He Didn't Re-sign with Bill Simmons & The Ringer

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  • In this clip from episode 156 we learn why JJ Redick turned down an awesome offer from Bill Simmons and the Ringer
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Komentáře • 122

  • @larbibelkhit863
    @larbibelkhit863 Před rokem +222

    I mean for JJ the money wasn’t acc an issue bc he’s made way more playing ball, so him genuinely wanting ownership ahead of everything else isn’t crazy whatsoever

    • @nicholaspu
      @nicholaspu Před rokem +10

      He’s gonna make way more with the pod. Who’s got a better basketball show than JJ RN he’s like basketball rogan

    • @camlop8635
      @camlop8635 Před rokem +3

      @@nicholaspu Draymond

    • @larbibelkhit863
      @larbibelkhit863 Před rokem +4

      @@nicholaspu yh he will make more but i don't think the money was the main driver of his decision for wanting IP, still a major contributor to his decision but him wanting creative control was the main thing

    • @johnbeardshall2898
      @johnbeardshall2898 Před rokem +4

      Rogan is a conspiracy nut

    • @RickM23
      @RickM23 Před rokem +1

      Yeah JJ’s podcast is one of the best out there.

  • @frederickdelius1106
    @frederickdelius1106 Před rokem +36

    I've been moving from yahoo to old man just to keep up with jj and his work. His interviews are great

  • @Sasser2015
    @Sasser2015 Před rokem +6

    What JJ describes at the end is exactly what happened to me when I watched his Marcus Smart and PJ Tucker interviews. It wasn't as if I disliked these guys before, just had never seen them in a long-form interview. Came away really liking both.

  • @awfulwarlock91
    @awfulwarlock91 Před rokem +61

    Reading the comments:
    I don't get the Bill Simmons hate. He still speaks highly of JJ and says that its a really good Podcast.
    JJ will be successful, as will Bill.
    Eventually look for them to do a Home and Home like Simmons does with Zach Lowe.

    • @raincntry2657
      @raincntry2657 Před rokem +4

      Bill seems to be a great collaborator and he is very good at recognizing talent and giving it space to grow. I get wanting to own your own gig but I don't see how BS did anything wrong.

    • @blue-pi2kt
      @blue-pi2kt Před rokem +1

      Bill is in it for Bill. As you would expect him to be and as he probably should.

  • @jastrology4192
    @jastrology4192 Před rokem +77

    Smart move. He’s the best out there and only getting better.

    • @cbrown940
      @cbrown940 Před rokem

      JJ already has his audience: czcams.com/video/6tPe3rf4Pvg/video.html

  • @plutobaby9996
    @plutobaby9996 Před rokem +5

    Owning your work is so important for any creator in an media facet because not only do you benefit from your products directly but you can also leverage your audience later on

  • @djrt8179
    @djrt8179 Před rokem +119

    The problem isn't JJ or Bill Simmons, the problem is it sets a precedent that all talent can own their socials and their names. If you give up the IP, you basically only exist to grow giant self-owned brands that can then go independent without you after they reach a certain point.
    The Ringer and Barstool have a lot of top podcasts in different fields, if they say they own the IP, we just split profits, you do everything you can to make these people as successful as possible. Free promotion on all your other shows, pay them a salary, give them a producer, the best equipment, and a talent booker, you're setting them up for success, you're planting the seeds. And as they grow and make their own voice and fan base off your foundation you built for them, it turns into this weird give and take of well what can you do for me now?
    Should media companies just be talent incubators where they invest all this money into you just so you can leave and become independent off the foundation they gave you? Or should they be able to profit off the platform and foundation they gave the talent. That's the weird world we're in now where talent can thrive on their own, be their own talent bookers, have their own ad sales teams, and do it all on their own. But most people (unlike JJ) can't start that way. They need the time to build their voice and do so in an environment that let's them build safely.

    • @jman1562001
      @jman1562001 Před rokem +1

      That seems like the unique thing with podcasts....uncensored unique views on pretty much any topic or industry.....of course the content and ownership is a big deal, but quality control allows for unfiltered conversation. It will evolve to have big players but it's an open field of indies vying for market space.

    • @djrt8179
      @djrt8179 Před rokem +1

      @@jman1562001 Totally, but think of the head start you get as a podcast when you have all the best gear and marketing on episode 1 versus starting something completely new on your own in your spare time.
      You can be one of the best, but you don't start out that way. You have to earn it and it's a lot easier to do that when you have the full force of a media company behind you.

    • @jman1562001
      @jman1562001 Před rokem

      @@djrt8179 well yes bigger platforms equal more exposure but at what cost. I think given the plethora amount of podcasts out there, most would rather own their IP out right and negotiate deals when they reach a critical mass or audience. It's not hard to get tons of subscribers if you have compelling content and engaged subscribers

    • @zerodarkthirty2424
      @zerodarkthirty2424 Před rokem +6

      bro went in like it’s my class discussion post lmaooo good ish

    • @benw7367
      @benw7367 Před rokem +8

      Haven't I seen you in the comments of some Celtic's highlights?
      Bill?

  • @thomasburchardjr.7981
    @thomasburchardjr.7981 Před rokem +2

    The🧃at the end…I’ve had that convo with a lot of people. JJ brings new light to player perspectives.

    • @KDubb-ws9zc
      @KDubb-ws9zc Před rokem

      JJ is a real student of the game and knows the history of the game. A lot of ex players like Stephen Jack just be talking out they ass

  • @JohnSmith-vy7ck
    @JohnSmith-vy7ck Před rokem +31

    Everyone says they want to own their own IP, but unless THEY can generate the following themselves then the company they are associated with from a brand perspective usually drives the metrics. Not everyone is a call her daddy or a Bill Simmons podcast. It took Bill 15 yrs before he owned his podcast. It took, Cowherd over 20 yrs to own his.

    • @kundaigotore992
      @kundaigotore992 Před rokem +10

      Podcasts weren't big 15 to 20 years ago. The Ricky Gervais one was the first big one but that was in the UK late 2000s and it was comedy. Sports podcasts started being relevant and financially lucrative recently which is why the top guys are making that pivot.

    • @GodInHisPrime
      @GodInHisPrime Před rokem

      welp, JJ has now proven his audience will follow him. And like he said, he gave the Ringer its best performing podcasts.

  • @boise8843
    @boise8843 Před rokem +15

    I’ve always been interested in this glad the boys asked. 1:48 they gave his pod to the mismatch 😂

  • @Loki-xl1ii
    @Loki-xl1ii Před rokem +3

    Let's go!

  • @oghustles
    @oghustles Před rokem +10

    Owning your IP is a long term play. When you've made $115Mill in your career (on court), you can afford to delay up front money and hold on to your IP for control/licensing rights etc.
    I always think players should do this--but I understand why a company like The Ringer wouldn't let you own your IP.
    What's in it for them?
    These companies should Identify talent and partner with them long term (i.e. First 2 years WE own the IP. Then we give up the IP but you cut us in on earnings for the next 2 years, then we renegotiate to where you own everything and we get a % of some aspect we add value in).
    Don't make the relationship adversarial--Find ways to be better partners if possible, and get money together.
    I read somewhere that Barstool interestingly enough allowed Call Her Daddy to walk to Spotify, and they still get a piece of some of the future earnings (Merch I believe). It's a way to create Win/Win scenarios for everyone.

  • @Rodricktyrone
    @Rodricktyrone Před rokem +5

    “I had to restart 3X” that’s inspiring

    • @phunkdoctaspock
      @phunkdoctaspock Před rokem +1

      Technically he started once and restarted twice.

  • @9teenhundred85
    @9teenhundred85 Před rokem +10

    JJ Redick is Killin it right now. His basketball knowledge/IQ is an art in the way he can break the game down.

  • @JeremyCuddles
    @JeremyCuddles Před rokem

    JJ is the best in the bizz. I am really happy he started loading to youtube so I can catch his podcast.

  • @Meacongains
    @Meacongains Před rokem +4

    I was wondering why his sub count was not as high as I thought it should be. Makes sense

  • @robertpadillosandiego2821

    Funny what he said at the end about people hating Pat Beverly until they heard him on the podcast. I thought the same way about JJ until I heard his first podcast. never judge a book by its cover

  • @hectorperez8175
    @hectorperez8175 Před rokem +25

    The Pat Beverly thing is so true.

    • @tfizzle56
      @tfizzle56 Před rokem

      Whats that

    • @Marz2727
      @Marz2727 Před rokem +3

      @@tfizzle56 You have to watch the end of this clip

    • @MrOctober44
      @MrOctober44 Před rokem +2

      @@Marz2727 The clip is almost 4 minutes! I have to watch four minutes?!

    • @yomoseo
      @yomoseo Před rokem

      @@MrOctober44 exactly timestamp it my guy

    • @JDeep72
      @JDeep72 Před rokem

      @@yomoseo y’all can’t watch the whole clip you clicked on? Hell nah lmao

  • @TheChris91173
    @TheChris91173 Před rokem +6

    Draymond boutta go through the same situation

  • @abundance1219
    @abundance1219 Před rokem

    I need a raw and uncut Pat Bev podcast

  • @andrephillips7764
    @andrephillips7764 Před rokem

    Jeeez can they let JJ talk..damn man

  • @Michigan_dad
    @Michigan_dad Před rokem +2

    Bill was being business man and JJ was being a business man. I don’t get the hate. It’s business not personal.

  • @iRoyalpriesthood
    @iRoyalpriesthood Před rokem

    Like Draymond Green on The Volume Network

  • @jimmyfaherty8588
    @jimmyfaherty8588 Před rokem +1

    need more than BBALL.

  • @erikcaminero3370
    @erikcaminero3370 Před rokem

    As a follower, I don’t think he had to regain many subscribers. Because most already just re-followed due to the quality of content.

  • @HenriSipra
    @HenriSipra Před rokem

    JJ is making the right moves. The podcast business took a new turn after the Joe Rogan deal and I mean it is never good for the authentic content if some people come in and start affecting what is talked about. OK Joe got 100mill "fuck you money" and that is where you make the deal anyway but when You have options then do it like JJ and for us listeners it is the best.

  • @jimmythegeekstickeyrice6062

    It’s like renting vs owning a home. All the equity you would realize as an owner your giving to your “Sponsor.” If you want to sell your Business in the future you gotta control the IP hate Duke Love JJ Sixer fan here for past 73 years.

  • @micahclawrence
    @micahclawrence Před rokem +3

    Losing subscribers sounds scary but they literally just subscribe to the new one

  • @ryu-ken
    @ryu-ken Před rokem +1

    jj doesn't need them to have a podcast lmfao

  • @six7zero9
    @six7zero9 Před rokem

    I like pat bev because of the old man and the 3

  • @blablablaa14
    @blablablaa14 Před rokem +2

    JJ knows he has a chance to build an IP with a lot of worth when more podcasts get offers. It would be silly to let himself not own his own show

  • @boxscorewatcher413
    @boxscorewatcher413 Před rokem

    JJ Redick and Bill Simmons gotta fight. No choice

  • @MicoRich
    @MicoRich Před rokem

    Anyone who “hates” a basketball player, and then completely changes their perspective based on an interview, built their foundation on a house of cards to begin with. I’m not blowing on the wind with them while they figure out what I already know.

  • @jeromehealy
    @jeromehealy Před rokem

    If you told me in 2004 that JJ f@#$in Redick would be one of my favorite dudes one day, I'd assume I must've had a head injury.

  • @raptormoments
    @raptormoments Před rokem

    Shocks me Draymond joined the volume and not his own thing

  • @chadf1368
    @chadf1368 Před rokem

    I like Pat Bev now

  • @becameabird
    @becameabird Před rokem +9

    between JJ & nba desktop, Bill has fudged himself out of the best online nba content.. the dewd is not shrewd

    • @thsu8
      @thsu8 Před rokem

      Bill used to be the best NBA voice online in the 2000's. There was nothing better than reading his weekly columns and running diaries. Now I can't even find his podcast. It's baffling that he stopped doing what he did best -- writing.

    • @becameabird
      @becameabird Před rokem

      @@thsu8 he does an editorial type thing every once in a while on his podcast & they are fantastic, but far & few between. i agree he is a fantastic writer. he seems like a bit of a hot head though when it comes to business decisions & the fact that he missed on nba desktop & JJ's podcast is pretty bad & if i were him, would have me losing sleep

    • @WoTMike1989
      @WoTMike1989 Před rokem

      @@becameabird Business is exactly that. Business. I am sure Bill realized JJ was going to be successful but it is a contract negotiation. My guess is that no one on The Ringer platform owns their show.

  • @tonys.2216
    @tonys.2216 Před rokem

    Bill Simmons has always had an eye for talent. It's talent retention that seems to give him trouble.

  • @barbaryn7899
    @barbaryn7899 Před rokem

    FBS

  • @evhubbard41
    @evhubbard41 Před rokem

    Well DUHHH.. he’s gonna continue to grow the 342 brand an he will as big as The Ringer eventually.. so why would he not want ownership? This is literally common sense in this generation; if you start a brand, build a subscriber base, an ppl like you.. KEEP IT THAT WAY.. look at Snapchat lol. This was an easy decision imo.

  • @Lamborghinikid23
    @Lamborghinikid23 Před rokem +5

    Nah I still hate Pat Bev

  • @clemence8623
    @clemence8623 Před rokem +3

    I think bill got jealous coz JJ was doing so well so quickly & or tried to make money from him being the podcast host but couldn’t do it since JJ wanted full autonomy

    • @tchombre1992
      @tchombre1992 Před rokem +9

      It's not that, is if he allows it for JJ other people at The Ringer will ask for the same thing. The relationship is symbiotic. Bill obviously needs to retain talent and if people have the rights to their IP and can basically leave and take everything with them then that is what everyone would do when they don't need the support system of The Ringer anymore. It really is just business, and JJ seems to understand that well.

    • @jamesmarshall6619
      @jamesmarshall6619 Před rokem +1

      @@tchombre1992 it seems like people don't understand how business works. A lot of businesses are like this not just those in podcast. A company provides you a platform, they pay you income, they provide support, if you try to leave then they'll often keep the rights of what you created. That's not to say companies don't occasionally allow you to keep your rights but this is a normal business practice.

  • @montblancnoland1
    @montblancnoland1 Před rokem +1

    Bill simmons think he sneaky

  • @Opochtli
    @Opochtli Před rokem

    Utah Jazz da best

  • @realtalkwiththeking7862
    @realtalkwiththeking7862 Před rokem +31

    Owning the IP only matters when your podcast is making real money. JJ would’ve made more money with the Ringer. Anybody who says it’s not a money issue is LYING.

    • @JacobChrabaszcz
      @JacobChrabaszcz Před rokem +63

      Having creative control and freedom for after a contract is up is a huge deal

    • @tylito4764
      @tylito4764 Před rokem +39

      Keep talking like you know other people's lives lmao

    • @coachcaseyhill2890
      @coachcaseyhill2890 Před rokem +1

      This is only true if you aren’t hard working, business savvy, and in the know and or don’t have the people to run it. If you are competent you 100% should own it. If not than leave it in better hands.

    • @AJHawksBurner
      @AJHawksBurner Před rokem +3

      You think JJ needs more money? Going independent can work like McAfee and JJ’s CZcams only continues to grow

    • @-_-1042
      @-_-1042 Před rokem +17

      JJ has made millions already from his playing career. Having creative control is far more important which is evident by the Ringer offering more guaranteed money

  • @josephsjourneyjournal

    I used to dislike Pat Beverly.
    Now I hate him

  • @ziklagfire3453
    @ziklagfire3453 Před rokem

    Nope---still hate pat bev after that episode lol

  • @thomasbrennan5898
    @thomasbrennan5898 Před rokem +2

    First

  • @altalistaguacho
    @altalistaguacho Před rokem

    i still hate beverly

  • @jakobma7352
    @jakobma7352 Před rokem

    I still don’t like Pat Bev

  • @braueryo
    @braueryo Před rokem +2

    Bill sucks anyways, glad you are owning your own thing

  • @OhGeeGanksta
    @OhGeeGanksta Před rokem +1

    Meh, still hate Pat. Dude is a clown.

    • @phunkdoctaspock
      @phunkdoctaspock Před rokem

      He should be out of the league for intentionally injuring players the way he has.

  • @kevinc8955
    @kevinc8955 Před rokem +7

    Should have taken the Ringer job. Wouldn’t have needed to supplement your income by joining ESPN or having “hot take debates” with SAS and Perkins.
    Instead you could go on serious basketball shows, have serious debates, AND promote your podcast, none of which ESPN will allow.
    That ESPN job is going to steal your soul.

    • @noruegazero
      @noruegazero Před rokem

      Lmao what a braindead take. The Ringer had been as hot takey as ESPN for a while now

    • @raviatm
      @raviatm Před rokem +19

      LMAO. JJ has PLENTY of money.

    • @MrBonzeMedal
      @MrBonzeMedal Před rokem +14

      JJ appearing on ESPN is promotion enough. He shows us, a clip goes viral, people then search him on CZcams, and the algorithm leads you to his podcast.
      The Internet does half the promotion for you.

    • @Giorginho
      @Giorginho Před rokem +2

      I'm pretty sure JJ doesn't need to supplement his income. He just enjoys being on ESPN and he is good at it

    • @bojack4727
      @bojack4727 Před rokem +3

      This a Bill Simmons burner account?

  • @erikcaminero3370
    @erikcaminero3370 Před rokem

    As a follower, I don’t think he had to regain many subscribers. Because most already just re-followed due to the quality of content.

  • @erikcaminero3370
    @erikcaminero3370 Před rokem

    As a follower, I don’t think he had to regain many subscribers. Because most already just re-followed due to the quality of content.