THE P365 TRIGGER YOU NEED
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I just put this on my P365xl and I love the smooth trigger now! I didn’t like the edgy trigger creep it had before. I just wish the kit was closer to $50 instead of $100 without the flat trigger.
My trigger pull is still between 4.5-5 lbs though, not down to 3.8.
The nice thing about this kit is it has 4 components, pretravel, overtravel, trigger break(3 options), and trigger safety spring reduction. You can install all of them, one of them, or any combination to see how you like it. And you can put it all back to factory later if desired.
If you’re thinking about it, watch the install video to make sure you’re comfortable doing it and have the necessary tools and good lighting.
Then be sure you do all of the safety checks as documented and shown in the install video, and then check your trigger pull weight. If it’s too light, switch back to the heavier factory safety spring.
Also, this kit does not change the striker spring so there is no risk of lighter primer strikes.
You literally answered all my questions that I had. I really appreciate you taking the time to write this. Thank you
I have the rose gold spec model.. is there any way to keep the color of it? Or could I take the lever off mine and put it on the new kit?
I don't mind the pre travel on the XL but the wall/mush/break is what kills me.
did this trigger remove the "mush" or gritty feeling from the wall to the break? I bought the Legion and was surprised they upgraded everything else but the trigger.
I appreciate that you "run" the trigger and don't over exaggerated the take up or the reset! 👌🏻
I personally did not hate, dislike, or otherwise have an opinion on my P365 stock trigger. That being said, I also did not know you could swap it out. Also I’m an absolute beginner at shooting pistols. I’m also not a very good shot past 20 yards. I somehow stumbled across Mcarbo flat trigger and spring replacement kit. Took me two days to do the installation, I would never had attempted it without their video. Anyway I instantly became significantly more accurate with this pistol. Worth it worth it worth it!!!
Love my tactical trigger in my XL. 2000 rounds later and its holdin up well. 🔥🤙🏼
Can you tell me more about it?
Just got a 365xl. Definitely check this out!
Good info! Thanks
Yea no prob my man
I love to see someone local to me. I definitely need to sign up for a class.
I must not be a trigger connoisseur. The stock trigger on my P365XL is great. Zero complaints.
These triggers usually add such a minor improvement, it's just not worth it for most people. I think it's just a matter of being bored and finding something to do to play with your gun.
@@Banksi - I view it like a clutch on a car. The clutch feels different on every car. You drive it for a while and become accustomed to it, and it becomes "normal," and perfect because it is so familiar. I cannot imagine there being a "perfect clutch feel" that is viewed as a standard, and every other clutch being compared to that, and if the other clutches don't feel exactly like that, well, then that clutch is crap. This is a ridiculous notion. All of the triggers on my guns are perfect. I pull them and they fire when I want them to. I am used to how each one feels.
I don't understand how trigger connoisseurs came about.
@1001Hobbies ehhh. Most modern stock triggers are fine. With that said, it's well proven and documented that a good trigger (weight, hard wall, crisp clean break, and short reset) actually do make a difference in accuracy and speed, even with good shooters. It's like an old-school long clutch in an old pickup truck vs a short throw clutch in a sports car, you don't realize the benefit until you actually use one. Sure the old school clutch is "good enough", but you wouldn't want to be racing with one. I encourage you to shoot a good trigger side by side with one of your stock triggers, it make a world of difference, mostly with the feel and predictably of the gun, but also accuracy as well.
I had the same argument with my ar15. The milspec triggers are fine, they're actually decent for a stock trigger. It wasn't until I was shooting my stock trigger side by side with buddies set up with a 2 stage geissele and another with single stage Timney that I left all my prior ignorance behind about triggers and said "yeah, I can see why you paid to have these put in". A week later, I threw in a Timney trigger into my gun.
@1001Hobbies oh, and some trigger are absolutely horrible and will most definitely effect your accuracy. Take the Beretta micro mini for example. Shooting that next to my sig 365, they're similar size and both have good accurate barrels, but the Beretta has an ungodly horrible trigger making me shoot more than twice as good with my 365.
@@btsoc1397 - Thanks for the thoughtful comments. Certainly, triggers which are at extremes, (gritty, spongy, very long pull, etc. compared to smooth, short, crisp) will present an obvious preference. And you are right, there is a level of "not knowing what I am missing" with a custom trigger. However, my Grandfather knew a guy who never had to pay for a drink at a bar because he would challenge others to ping pong games for drinks, only he would play against them with a beer bottle instead of a paddle. Of course everyone took the challenge unless they saw him play before. This guy challenged himself not only to be able to play ping pong with a beer bottle but to play as good as he was with a paddle, which was exceptional. This was one of my life lessons; master what you've got to work with because what you want or need may not come along, or not soon enough. If you don't have the best thing, it just takes a little more effort to achieve the same result. Growing up this way, not having the best "thing" has never been a short coming for me. ;)
Oh yea that sig trigger blows!! I have an MCarbo now and it’s outstanding!
As a new [regular]shooter ive noticed that the more crisp and sharp a trigger is generally more consistent i am.
Rolling breaks have their advantages too.
Looks great
the stock 365 trigger is mush like a glock
this looks amazing
It's funny because I actually like the p365 trigger for a ccw gun and think its good for what it's designed for especially comparing it to most other carry guns.
I like the curve trigger especially for a carry gun. Easier to index correctly on the draw. Tried the flat and it was okay but not preferred
I think it's mushy.. I prefer CZ trigger
I accidentally discharged my p365x consecutive to an intentional discharge. I'm used to my apex'd p320. The break is very mushy. Now I know I have to ride it like a 2-stage trigger. Once the take-up is gone, squeeze all the way through. Return is decent, though, from the factory.
My trigger return spring broke in half a year after I purchased the firearm. Springs are springs, but it definitely makes me worried about it being my EDC
I had to grab my magazines and pull them out. But….for a Macro grip module and cut it to fit the 365…..it’s a dream now.
Yes, I agree p365 or the XL which I carry are not not the best triggers but does not impede accuracy whatsoever. They’re good triggers for ccw. Personally, Unless you’re shooting competitions you shouldn’t modify your trigger too light. You just need to practice and shoot them. Triggers can get better over time or learn to take them apart and polish the internal trigger parts.
but the creep is so bad isn't it? Or maybe I'm used to DA/SA pistols
I agree with this assessment. And this kit creates HUGE modifications not just in terms of trigger pull weight, but in terms of pretravel and overtravel as well. IMO it tries to do too much.
I’m in agreement also. It looks sweet and particularly I care about over travel so you can reset and shoot faster in a self-defense situation. The short pre-travel can be a liability in a self-defense situation which can be life altering. Concerning self-defense you might want some space before you actually make the decision that you NEED to pull the trigger. Many, many times violence is stopped and laser saved by simply keeping the criminal at gun point. This is a critical stat that crushes gun control advocates but isn’t mentioned enough. What most shooters don’t understand is that the supporting hand needs to really VICE the gun so even if you slap the trigger you will have combat accuracy. Again, I would like to shorten the reset for faster shooting but I’m not going to buy the kit and just continue to “polish” my weapon. If the would sell these pieces separately 🤔
@gmenendez9569 Not sure what you crackheads are talking about with pretravel. You're finger shouldn't be in the trigger guard unless you are going to shoot. Get your stinkin' booger hooks out of there unless you plan to stop a threat.
Train to go from completely off the trigger, to breaking the shot without disturbing your sights. Then you don't have to worry about short pre-travel.
I found the original trigger good enough!
The trigger you need is the tactical development trigger. The best by far!! Adjustable and zero pretravel
Why does it tell me on the website I neeed to buy extra things because I have a manual safety? All I wanted to do was replace the trigger.
No thanks, I actually like having a bit of pre-travel. The reset is what matters most to me. I don't really fuss about weight outside of getting a good zero (lighter makes it easier to get a precise zero).
typo, with the tactical dev trigger you can adjust the pretravel from where it rests to zero pretravel.
@@ArmedAnglerI don’t have manual safety. Sucks man
Honestly i went back to stock because i couldn't sink my finger right while drawing. Trigger takes up too much room in the guard when your drawing fast with big fingers.
think you just sold another tactical trigger. that was a huge improvement.
Looks like what i need for my p365x. My wife is not fond of the stock trigger pull.
Have you considered any of the tac development upgrades? Would like to hear your thoughts on those potential upgrades
I’ll give those a look ty
Can you still shoot any any ammunition through it without malfunctions? I run whatever I can fix or afford.
i like flat triggers. only 3 choices for a 365, mcarbo addresses uptake, the other two flat address travel. the problem im having with the mcarbo trigger which feels great, is that it has over travel and it drives me nuts.
when i hit the wall i expect a break not another 1/8 to 1/4 inch of over travel. this is with the set screw fulling dialed right
i dont like the slanted trigger as in this video curved or flat for me.
i wish someone would make a video on polishing the trigger bar on the fcu and a full trigger polish for the 365
thanks for the share.
Is your tattoo the date 1/26 ? What’s the significance ,if you don’t mind ?
That’s my bday , Eddie Van Halen’s, Gretzky’s and General MacArthur’s.
I have two new XL's. Each have long to wall, horrible gritty creep to break and odd feeling reset.
Is there a service job that will solve this ? ?
Blackirongunner is so big that he makes the XL look like a .22
Are those stock black color slides? They look grey. Is that just the lighting? BTW Those are both P365 XLs. Or that guy is 5’2”
Bro I’m using the #1 sear safety lever spring and the full pretravel and overtravel stops but I’m not getting THAT short a pretravel on mine. What exactly did you do to get it basically ZERO???
Is this trigger you are talking about, their standard p365 flat trigger for $50.00 plus their P365 trigger kit for $90.00? Or do they offer a flat trigger that has all the adjustments for pre-travel and overtravel?
The tactical trigger spring kit is the springs only. That adjusts pre travel, over travel, break, and reset. The 50 dollar flat sig trigger is just the trigger alone. I reccomend to do a flat trigger upgrade (choose the company you like) then stack it with a trigger spring kit.
It'd be nice if someone made something to specifically help with the creep and that's it. I don't want a lighter trigger, I just want a defined wall so that I know when it'd going to go off...
That's the same thing I want.
Yes thank you
Part of this kit is that fyi. It has 4 adjustment options, only 1 actually reduces the weight. The other three are for pretravel, post travel, and the wall creep. Its their patented part of this kit, the one that comes with three spring options. Hope this helped
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Which sear spring did you go with?
Okay. You have me looking. Do I want a full trigger? Or just springs? I'm on their site trying to sort it out.
All of my G stuff have stock triggers with only springs.
What’d you end up Choosing?
Yeah, inquiring minds wanna know.
3.5 lbs seems a bit light for a self defense weapon
Is that an aftermarket slide? I see you still have a rear sight, I thought you lose the sight when you put a red dot on?
P365xl Octane (zev upgrades)
0331 eh? Hell yeah
Wow I must be the only one who thinks Sig triggers are way too light out of the box. Geezus! Around 3 pounds with even less take up would make me fucking nervous to put in my pantalones. 😵💫
Binary trigger ?
For cc self defense stock trigger pouds are good and safer, remember and don't forget... This is not a gun full designed for range, but for self defense in a very concealable way.
Right, God help the poor not-so-knowledgeable sod whose finger is brushing his new extremely light trigger when he re-holsters his CC P365... he's going to be taking a hollow point to the leg. IF he's lucky enough to miss the crotch or pelvic area if carrying appendix.
Cool. 😍🖤🤘👊
Why not prchase just trigger if yo want to do a comparison, isn't patreon support for items such as this?
They both look like toys in your hands lol
Too light for duty or carry. Need that takeup and resistance for adrenaline
Quick question not video related would you ever consider a g19 for duty use?
Absolutely, I've seen cops in Vegas carry too.
Why would anyone object to a G19 for duty? There are better guns for duty IMO but really, that opinion is preference-based. The G19 is a phenomenal weapon, if the Glock ergonomics work for you. I'm just not a Glock guy.
@@DeadRingerMachine well said. I prefer the m&p 2.0’s ergonomics but I’m not allowed.
Still a creep master trigger.
Website address?
Better does not mean at all, lighter lbs. Don't be mistaken. All you've you've purchased is a liability.
The stock trigger on my standard P365 sucks. I actually prefer the Glock43 trigger or the P365.
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I dont see 160 worth for the tactical trigger
Its just less takeup. The break seems the same
$100 for a P365 trigger, nope I’ll stick with MCARBO. 😊
P365 is for self defense and carry. trigger is good enough and the gun is very accurate. especially compared to my X-junk hellcat.
You don't like the hellcat?
Are the guns too small or do you have giant hands?
This is true haha
The gun is small. The are considered micro compact
Does the trigger mod like that make it less safe as far as accidental discharge?
I looked at the videos on Tactical Triggers' website, and I have a concern. Specifically, when the trigger is pulled after the VERY short reset, it sounds distinctly like a soft strike to me. It doesn't sound like a nice solid, snappy strike. So my concern is that this trigger kit weakens the striker itself to the point where one MIGHT at some point encounter functional issues related to soft strikes. This is my guess as a lifetime shooter and someone who knows polymers inside and out. I have not read or heard of this happening to anyone, but I won't be buying the kit for this reason. I don't need THAT much modification in terms of overtravel - and I mean, this kit all but ELIMINATES overtravel altogether by inserting a brace into the working parts of the gun to block the trigger from moving backwards beyond a certain point. It's a very simple solution to reducing overtravel (pretravel is handled in the same way), which is why I'm surprised at how much this kit costs ($150). You get a couple bits of metal, a few springs and a flat trigger.
Does it replace the striker spring? I'd never replace with a lighter/weaker striker spring in a carry gun. The Mcarbo has the option to replace the stiker spring and people have said it caused malfunctions for them. Ok for a taciticol gun but not a carry pistol.
This kit does nothing to affect striker reliability
Maybe call them instead of posting on YT?
There's another guy with this kit and 2000rds through his gun.
Just don't stick a Punisher skull on your shit, and you will probably be alright. 😂
Completely unrelated but are their any slide kits with RMR cutouts for the base model 365?
I'd buy the xl but thag defeats the purpose of compact.
And why would I buy near identical guns twice.
Last week I bought a 365x slide. It's the standard 365 slide, milled for the baby red dots (mine is now paired with the holosun 507k x2).
@@gregbrown3082 i looked at the zev z365 but I'd prefer to not pay 441 before rax and shipping. On top of 120+ day lead times off their site. So I'm sort of looking everywhere now.
@@ZirkyPlays just under $400 on ebay, for me.
Honestly, I would just sell my regular P365 and get the X version, but thats just me.
How was the instal?
I personally don’t do anything except glocks and ARs so I had my gunsmith do it I believe it take a about 10 min
The sear engagement spring can be a bitch. Everything else is easy.
Dude that gun looks like a cereal box toy in your hands. Lol.
The weight of a striker fired trigger is an essential part of the safety. Many legs and feet have been shot in the pursuit of a better trigger. Play it safe. If you want the perks of a 1911 trigger just accept the drawbacks. And if you want the perks of higher capacity and no thumb safety then accept the drawback of a less impressive trigger pull. Can’t have your cake and eat it. IMO
What about one with a manual safety (Sig P365)? Does the tactical trigger have any safety drawbacks then?
@@anonypersona3189 A light trigger is a light trigger with or without the safety. I have a safety on my 365XL. It's not a be-all-end-all. The issue isn't just accidentally shooting yourself while un-holstering or holstering. It's firing a round when you didn't want to fire, while under stress. I've never been in a gunfight, I never want to be in one. I've trained to get my heartrate way up and adrenaline going to simulate stress, and when you shoot like that it is extremely difficult to concentrate. You fumble around. You lose focus. Why anyone would want a lighter pound trigger pull in that condition defies all logic to me. A gun is a last resort. Pulling the trigger is the final step of that last resort. Things can go FUBAR fast but why are you giving yourself less time to make the most critical decision you will ever need to make?
@@Palo_Duro Because when you draw and click off that safety, you mean to fire. Why make it harder on yourself? I'm not going to draw a gun unless I need to fire it.
@@anonypersona3189 Right, and the 1911 has remained popular for more than a century because it's so hard on the user?
@@Palo_Duro I hear ya dude haha. I took the safety out of my XL and installed a Mcarbo spring kit, tactical trigger kit and did a good polish on the internals. I carry appendix and have done thousands of draws and shot thousands of rounds at training courses without the thought of shootin myself in the dick. Just keep your fuckin finger off the trigger until you clear the holster and look while reholstering. Some people just get caught up in stuff that is easily avoided. Train smart 🤙🏼🇺🇸
Dude, I thought I have big hands. You got freakin bear paw hands. How do you not get slide bite every time without a beaver tail. That think looks like a toy gun in your hand.
i just want a cleaner crisp trigger.. i dont care for lighter trigger..
Then a flat trigger would do the trick.
Same where do we get that
You’re not great at showing the trigger break and reset.. once it hits the wall, they have to slowly pull the trigger back.. that’s where you see the “mush” or “creep”.. when you just hit the wall and then squeeze past the creep real fast, you can’t even tell how much creep there is.. and with stick sig triggers, there is a little bit of creep.. same with the reset, you slowly let up on the trigger so you can see where the reset is compared to were the break is.. with stock sig triggers, there is a decent amount of travel, and then you hit the wall around 90 degrees and then there is still a little more creep past the wall, then it breaks… then when letting up to find the reset, you’ll notice it takes a little bit to get to the reset and the reset is past where the break is.. it’s also smart to show that once the trigger breaks, then you pay attention to how much over travel there is after the break.. you want trigger to not move any further after the break.. a bad trigger will have more space after the break before you can’t move it anymore.. just a note from somebody looking for good reviews, it’ll make your videos better if people can actually get a good review of the trigger in the guns you’re showing
LOL
Ok… now the actual original triggers in the 365 line are horrendous. The feel and sound after the break makes my skin crawl.
They have a “plasticy rubbery boing” sound also. Like a clown gun that shoots out a ballon or whatever.
I don’t get it 🤷♂️
I’m getting a 365 XL as an incentive through my store. Going to throw the macro grip module and this trigger FOR SURE!!
Great vid🤘
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This is scary for carry…not for defense in my opinion. A prosecutor will tear you a new ass in court.
Have the mcarbo trigger coming for mine… we shall see.. gun shoots awesome with 507k dot already🤌🏼