9 things that led to Alain Prost being fired by Ferrari

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  • čas přidán 15. 07. 2020
  • Imagine Ferrari getting rid of a multiple world champion after designing a car that wasn't as good as its predecessor... no, we're not talking about Sebastian Vettel in 2020, but Alain Prost, who was fired before the end of a disappointing 1991 season. Prost's sacking is often attributed to him calling his car a "truck" at the Japanese Grand Prix, but as this video explains, that was the final straw in a relationship that was strained for more than a year, dating back to when Nigel Mansell was still on the other side of the garage.
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Komentáře • 863

  • @RandomGuy-dw7hf
    @RandomGuy-dw7hf Před 3 lety +849

    “Stand outside Ferrari and you’ll wonder how they don’t win everything. Stand inside Ferrari and you’ll wonder how they win anything.”

    • @bassmunk
      @bassmunk Před 3 lety +11

      Interesting. Who said that?

    • @integral32gb
      @integral32gb Před 3 lety +41

      @@bassmunk Any foreigner who ever worked there!

    • @shotsfiredandmissed9068
      @shotsfiredandmissed9068 Před 3 lety +13

      pretty much very Italian. you could even wonder why they're a "team" at all

    • @marcom5695
      @marcom5695 Před 3 lety +11

      @@shotsfiredandmissed9068 yep.. very Italian.. most winning team in F1 EVER!!

    • @gentnextdoor
      @gentnextdoor Před 3 lety +7

      Still the most successful team by a long way.

  • @Aldas001
    @Aldas001 Před 3 lety +1239

    Pretty much 90% of what Prost said and what he went through, can literally be seen in Ferrari today. Prost wanted to make Ferrari run more like McLaren which was an amazing organisation under Ron Dennis, and Ferrari need a leader like that now who will tell it like it is and perhaps could emulate the way Mercedes run their team. In the end Prost was laughing when he went to Williams and won his 4th title

    • @3ormorecharactersmaybe5
      @3ormorecharactersmaybe5 Před 3 lety +89

      Well, that just proves how much Ferrari never really changed..

    • @swapnilnayak2449
      @swapnilnayak2449 Před 3 lety +107

      Thats exactly what Vettel tried to do, he tried to get them running like Red Bull!

    • @yashkatare3303
      @yashkatare3303 Před 3 lety +21

      Binotto is probably gonna get the axe.

    • @kingcarrot6355
      @kingcarrot6355 Před 3 lety +4

      @@yashkatare3303 His name is Waldo ;)

    • @tobznoobs
      @tobznoobs Před 3 lety +49

      @Aldas make another video of it pointing to Niki's time and the Brawn/Schumi/Todt era, clearly they need to be run by other nationalities, to much Italian pride and politics, this is not Rome!

  • @aslamnurfikri7640
    @aslamnurfikri7640 Před 3 lety +801

    Now Ferrari is a clown and Sainz is heading into a hellhole

    • @titan_fx
      @titan_fx Před 3 lety +30

      Is Sainz's career over?

    • @kyanphan5839
      @kyanphan5839 Před 3 lety +54

      @@titan_fx i hope not, if i were ferrari, i'd say fuck 2021 and focus completely on 2022 and if they ace the regulations... well, maybe we will see a schumacher run for the drivers

    • @warpbeast69
      @warpbeast69 Před 3 lety +35

      @@kyanphan5839 This is already what it looks like happenned where they said fuck 2020 and ready 2021 but then coronavirus happenned and woops, our car sucks or two years.

    • @justinress2782
      @justinress2782 Před 3 lety +7

      Aslamnur Fikri Its Alesi all over again

    • @aahilabbas4014
      @aahilabbas4014 Před 3 lety

      Titan FX pls don’t say that

  • @jameshamilton4327
    @jameshamilton4327 Před 3 lety +690

    Ferrari in trouble, so their only answer was to fire the only person in the team that remembered winning. Sound familiar?

    • @ZeZeBatata69
      @ZeZeBatata69 Před 3 lety +51

      Vettel is no Prost, it's a known fact he never had the mental grit to endure a bad situation and turn it into a success. Even when he was at RedBull, the moment something went wrong he would start to bitch and go into a shitstorm spiral. He's a great driver when he has the best car and everything goes according to plan, if that doesn't happen he'll crash into someone or some other drama.

    • @smokeybandit9760
      @smokeybandit9760 Před 3 lety +100

      @@ZeZeBatata69 What about Brazil 2012? He had irreparable damage to his car in tricky conditions but still managed to drive his car to the championship. I don't disagree with saying that he sometimes is torn between his heart and his head but sometimes will just get on with the situation.

    • @aryarajmane6393
      @aryarajmane6393 Před 3 lety +26

      @@ZeZeBatata69 yeah but that's usually the case with young drivers when they are in the start of their career, even Max was bitchy at the start but now look at him. Vettel struggles cause the car doesn't suit his driving style

    • @netsoroneandonly9326
      @netsoroneandonly9326 Před 3 lety +15

      @@ZeZeBatata69 Anyone who is confident tends to come out as bitchy at some point. That's because of a tendency to believe that things should be perfect which isn't always the case. So if there's a possibility of winning, anything less than that is just unsatisfactory.

    • @mostwanted2kay
      @mostwanted2kay Před 3 lety +22

      @@ZeZeBatata69 You confused Lewis or Alonso with Seb

  • @theempires5
    @theempires5 Před 3 lety +351

    All things aside, that 643 is looking absolutely stunning

    • @gorkab8461
      @gorkab8461 Před 3 lety +6

      It was a beauty!

    • @Leopardo_Bianco
      @Leopardo_Bianco Před 3 lety +6

      One of the most beautiful to never win a race sadly.

    • @gorkab8461
      @gorkab8461 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Leopardo_Bianco That's a good idea for a video, maybe it's been done already?

    • @gorkab8461
      @gorkab8461 Před 3 lety +3

      I make my case that the 642 from early 1991,which was a modified 641,was already gorgeous

    • @lionelferrari1655
      @lionelferrari1655 Před 3 lety

      Yes. It was a fast car too, but only on smooth track.

  • @briantinker9636
    @briantinker9636 Před 3 lety +106

    I recall a classic Gerhard Berger quote after Prost had been sacked which for me summed up the Ferrari logic. He said that Prost was the only person who could save Ferrari and they were currently paying him millions NOT to work for them.......

    • @ajmalhussain3574
      @ajmalhussain3574 Před 3 lety +21

      Well they also actually started to politick to get Kimi out of the team after he won the world championship in 2007, the very next year they were orchestrating ways to get him out of his contract due to the "Santander" sponsorship and to make way for Alonso but to do that they needed a reason so they changed his suspension mid season in 2008 without telling him and changed the balance of the car, naturally with a weak front end Kimi struggled to make the car work as he usually does so then they (Ferrari) started putting leaks out about Kimi's motivation being the reason truth is they couldn't kick Kimi out if he won the WDC in 2008 for them. This was during and after the Spanish GP in 2008 when he was leading the championship that year. They even paid him a ton of money not to race for them in 2010. Think it was €20 million euros.

    • @JoaoSilva22222
      @JoaoSilva22222 Před 3 lety +4

      @@ajmalhussain3574 true

    • @rohitnautiyal7090
      @rohitnautiyal7090 Před 3 lety +6

      Ajmal Hussain Ferrari seems to be run by idiots.

    • @livingbeing1113
      @livingbeing1113 Před 3 lety +10

      @@rohitnautiyal7090 Can't agree more. That whole fiasco with Kimi starting in 2008 was ridiculous.
      You have a fresh champion, on form, and what do you do? You try to sabotage him and push Massa. All for political's reasons and a future with Alonso.
      I respect Alonso's abilities, not so much the rest. And while he was very unlucky in 2010, it has been karma for Ferrari that Kimi is their last world champion and that they never won again.
      2008 would've been in the bag too if they allowed Kimi to do his job. 2009 against the Brawn GP would've been more difficult of course, but in 2010 with Kimi they could've won again.
      Ferrari threw 1 or 2 other titles in the trash treating Raikkonen like they did.

    • @ChuckN516
      @ChuckN516 Před 3 lety +4

      @@ajmalhussain3574 Ferrari saw why Kimi won WDC in 2007. It is not because of Kimi's driving talent but because of internal fighting between two McLaren drivers that made them lost WDCs to Ferrari. And Kimi was behind Filipe Massa in 2008. That is why they didn't feel the need to keep Kimi.

  • @caincha
    @caincha Před 3 lety +323

    Sooo… nothing has changed has it…?
    I mean I tell everybody that Schumacher's brilliance wasn't just on track but in how he managed to 'transform' Ferrari into a winning team bringing key people with him from Bennetton but people only like to se the numbers instead…

    • @costingxg
      @costingxg Před 3 lety +36

      Very well said! I completely agree with every word! And I also think that Ferrari must look outside of their 'italian world' for their right leaders. Last time, it worked with a French manager, a British and a South African technical designers and a German driver :)

    • @tenkrenizacija4254
      @tenkrenizacija4254 Před 3 lety +1

      Ferrari has made huge strides under Prost/Alesi/Berger. It went from a PoS in the early 1990's to a very fast car in the mid 1990's that needed some issues sorted and a top driver to win championships and even Schumacher praised it. Yet despite the best driver in the world by some measure, better personnel and additional investment Ferrari put into becoming a winning team everything turned to **** the instance Schumacher showed up and it felt like they were both starting from zero again and somehow progressing equally slowly as they did before all the big changes, almost like Schumacher was working against them, slowing them down.

    • @philrod1
      @philrod1 Před 3 lety +3

      @@costingxg I think it was Coulthard at the Austrian/Styrian GP that Ferrari should move to the UK ... can you imagine!?

    • @thelarry383
      @thelarry383 Před 3 lety +8

      Ross Brawn was the main driving force behind the transformation.

    • @settler8616
      @settler8616 Před 3 lety +6

      Don't forget Todt and Brawn

  • @commentingpausedtoprotectus

    Had the pleasure of meeting Alain Prost at Silvertstone in 1993. He was surprisingly down to earth, and VERY funny.

    • @jarekaugustyn4598
      @jarekaugustyn4598 Před 2 lety +3

      you mean he was "little Frenchman" ? ;) just like Murray Walker used to say....?

  • @IGVGameplayreviews
    @IGVGameplayreviews Před 3 lety +225

    Sounds like typical Ferrari

  • @sohammhatre
    @sohammhatre Před 3 lety +541

    Went to Williams and won another title in Ferrari's face

    • @the9der352
      @the9der352 Před 3 lety +4

      FiLOL LOL

    • @darkosimic499
      @darkosimic499 Před 3 lety +45

      @FiLOL With a little help from Ferrari International Assistance.

    • @adithyamahesh6961
      @adithyamahesh6961 Před 3 lety +115

      @FiLOL broke Prost's records by following Prost's philosophy. Atleast Michael had Todt and Brawn with him to overthrow the toxic management. Prost was alone...

    • @chrispalmer3096
      @chrispalmer3096 Před 3 lety +39

      @FiLOL a Ferrari team led by a group of non Italians.

    • @JeffSyam
      @JeffSyam Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, both with Mansell in separate year.

  • @enzoma7253
    @enzoma7253 Před 3 lety +232

    Seems like Ferrari is permanently in crisis management mode even to this day.

    • @geonerd
      @geonerd Před 3 lety +3

      Crisis MISmanagement. ;)

    • @Lukewci
      @Lukewci Před 3 lety +5

      It is easier to count when Ferrari wasn't in crisis than to count when it was.

    • @henkdekraai5290
      @henkdekraai5290 Před 3 lety +5

      The crisis only took a short break between 200 and 2008.

    • @shotsfiredandmissed9068
      @shotsfiredandmissed9068 Před 3 lety +1

      I mean that mode is everyday in Fiat Chrysler, you should also see their reliability records so far

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH Před 29 dny

      Enzo Ferrari's culture, probably. He was a very persnickety person when it came to how the team was run. Didn't really have an open mind or flexibility in a management sense and I guess that mentality got inherited by his successors.

  • @IcebergSpikes
    @IcebergSpikes Před 3 lety +230

    Does anyone think any of this has changed? Except that Vettel is too polite to say anything...

    • @navasheen8964
      @navasheen8964 Před 3 lety +29

      He might speak up when he leaves ferrari for good

    • @chrispalmer3096
      @chrispalmer3096 Před 3 lety +21

      He never criticise his team...atleast not in public.

    • @navasheen8964
      @navasheen8964 Před 3 lety +34

      @@chrispalmer3096 who knows at this point only kimi and vettel can tell what is happening in there

    • @CP-kb1du
      @CP-kb1du Před 3 lety +3

      Vettel is Too Rich to say anything 5 years winning nothing

    • @JeffSyam
      @JeffSyam Před 3 lety +33

      It is their "default setting". Only Lauda & Schumacher managed to change the culture. Sadly after they have gone, obviously the culture back to default.
      As Ecclestone said in an interview, the only person that probably can change the culture is Flavio Briatore with his dictatorial attitude, in which I can't agree more, he's an Italian and he's a dictator and he's a quick learner (he was introduced to F1 in 1990 by Benetton company boss, took over in 1991 and won World title in 1994!)

  • @engared
    @engared Před 3 lety +125

    Wow, reminds me of this year...
    Like getting rid of Arrivabene for Binotto when Arrivabene had lead them to probably the best 2 seasons Ferrari have had in a decade. What a joke.
    Edit: Saying this as a life long Ferrari fan. And they are going to waste the careers of probably one of the greatest talents in a long time in Leclerc and a solid reliable driver in Sainz.
    Criminal.

    • @aslamnurfikri7640
      @aslamnurfikri7640 Před 3 lety +29

      Binotto is a great engineer but a crap principal. He designed the 2017 and 2018 car. When he became the principal 2019 car becomes crap, and the next year's is even crappier

    • @d.a.5135
      @d.a.5135 Před 3 lety +10

      Marchionne deserves far more credit than Arrivabene tbh. People forget that Arrivabene himself didn't manage the team well after Marchionnes death.

    • @engared
      @engared Před 3 lety +19

      @@d.a.5135 Possibly but Arrivabene's soothing and calm yet strong personality probably suited the Chaos of the Ferrari world better than the nice guy Binotto.
      The worst part of Ferrari honestly has been navigating the FIA imo which Toto Wolff seems to be a master of.
      Like with the DAS debacle. Christian Horner is raising hellfire with the FIA over it but imagine if Ferrari were right there with them? Instead, Binotto is MIA and the FIA passes it.
      They need another Jean Todt and Ross Brawn. Brawn always used to find clever loopholes and exploited them; and in turn, him or Todt won the fight with the FIA after. With the Ferrari engine debacle of last year; they probably found a loophole which was "legal" but not in spirit...and Binotto lost the war with the FIA. That's why we have a low drag concept cat with no straight line performance. LOL!

    • @nicolaclapiz
      @nicolaclapiz Před 3 lety +9

      Binotto didn't want Arrivabene as team principal, he said something like: - or Arrivabene or me. So he became team principal and he didn't have enough time to design the car, and team principal shouldn't be his work.

    • @HoangNguyen-ym9ce
      @HoangNguyen-ym9ce Před 3 lety

      I have read that he threatened to switch to Mercedes if he could not become the team principal of Ferrari.

  • @JakePetrolhead
    @JakePetrolhead Před 3 lety +89

    I mean, the biggest reasons for Ferrari's downfall in at any given point is that it's a more of a political organisation than a racing team.
    Ferrari's own worst enemy is pretty much always Ferrari.

  • @MastaMS21
    @MastaMS21 Před 3 lety +22

    Additional note :
    -When Montezemolo came back as president of Ferrari, one of his first decision was to...bring Prost back to Ferrari. Just a couple of weeks after they sacked him... Prost declined, obviously.
    - Prost said he compared the steering of his Ferrari to a truck, not the Ferrari itself but the italian press made a bigger story about it (as always). But when Prost went to court against Ferrari for unfair dismissal, they apparently lost the video of the interview...

  • @gorkab8461
    @gorkab8461 Před 3 lety +53

    Just by seeing what happened to Ferrari the following year, 1992, it is obvious who was right and who was very wrong. Ferrari in '88-'92 was rife with political struggles within the Fiat group to fill the power vacuum left by Enzo Ferrari in the F1 team. Ferrari was not worthy of Prost and Barnard, as simple as that. The main "if only" is what would have happened had the 643 been ready for the start of '91. Probably a few race wins and a less poisonous atmosphere, similar to 1990.

  • @TheDiasporaMedia
    @TheDiasporaMedia Před 3 lety +88

    "The problem with Ferrari sometimes is there's too much Ferrari in Ferrari" ~ Flavio Briatore

  • @DC322
    @DC322 Před 3 lety +29

    Prost took a year off and came back to win the F1 title with Williams in 1993. Retired on top.

    • @paulallen8109
      @paulallen8109 Před 3 lety +14

      Ron Dennis actually offered him a drive at McLaren for 1994 and tried to convince him to reconsider his retirement. Prost wisely declined but this proves that Prost was still in demand by the top teams. In 1996 Prost tested the new McLaren for an eventual comeback but the car wasn't very balanced so he realized it was pointless.

    • @MrTommySullivan
      @MrTommySullivan Před 3 lety +3

      My grandmother could've won the championship in the FW-15c.

    • @andrearojas1248
      @andrearojas1248 Před 3 lety +7

      @@paulallen8109 Prost tested every McLaren 1994, 1995 and 1996.

    • @DC322
      @DC322 Před 3 lety +2

      @@MrTommySullivan Williams wanted Senna for the 1993 season but Prost say no. Senna joined Williams the next year.

    • @adamsteele6148
      @adamsteele6148 Před 3 lety +2

      Yea with a juked up car lol. Prost was a coward.

  • @patthewoodboy
    @patthewoodboy Před 3 lety +19

    theres an old saying in the UK ... Italian tanks have 1 forward gear and 10 reverse gears

    • @patrese993
      @patrese993 Před 3 lety +1

      Heard that about another country, but the flag is very similar...

    • @joshrandall5297
      @joshrandall5297 Před 3 lety +4

      10,000 Italian WWII rifles for sale. Never fired. Only dropped once.

  • @cornevangulik6166
    @cornevangulik6166 Před 3 lety +94

    In the loooong history of Ferrari only 5 names became world champion after they drove for the Scuderia. (Fangio, Andretti, Lauda, Prost and Mansell)
    Chances are if you drive for Ferrari and you dont win the WDC, you’re done.

    • @jackhands31
      @jackhands31 Před 3 lety +1

      Schumi?

    • @SultanOfAwesome
      @SultanOfAwesome Před 3 lety +28

      @@jackhands31 read the comment again bro. They got another title after driving for Ferrari.

    • @jackhands31
      @jackhands31 Před 3 lety +1

      Ah i see

    • @JeffSyam
      @JeffSyam Před 3 lety +5

      And there are ONLY seven drivers who won their 1st WDC with SF, Ascari, Hawthorn, Phil Hill, Surtees, Lauda, Scheckter & Raikkonen. And if call modern-era started in 1970, then it's ony three.

    • @KyleP133
      @KyleP133 Před 3 lety +6

      From the dawn of the 3 liter era in 66, Ferrari was behind due to trying to beat Ford at Le Mans... When they finally gave up on sports car racing, they focused on F1 again, but didnt get their act together until the mid 70s. Ferrari struck gold with the 312t design and won 3 driver's championships with the 312t and the flat-12. The turbo era and ground effect era killed off that era of success. Then they didnt win anything at all until the Schumacher era... and the vestigial remnants of that regime delivered Kimi a title in 07.... Another drought ever since. Sure they've had close calls... but when you really sit back and look, they had two periods (75-80 and 97-07) where they were actually winning driver's championships. It's kind of depressing when you consider that.

  • @ruioliveira3025
    @ruioliveira3025 Před 3 lety +29

    Carlos Sainz be like: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!

  • @kiranbabu3426
    @kiranbabu3426 Před 3 lety +52

    Which of these is more probable?
    Statistically the greatest driver at the time, being wrong.
    Or
    An incompetent car

  • @Azpep
    @Azpep Před 3 lety +70

    The main problem with Ferrari is that it's run emotionally rather than rationally.

    • @GTDpowah
      @GTDpowah Před 3 lety +3

      That's kind of the Italian way.

    • @shotsfiredandmissed9068
      @shotsfiredandmissed9068 Před 3 lety +1

      like an ex-wife right?

    • @theant9821
      @theant9821 Před 3 lety +1

      @@GTDpowah that depends, the Yamaha grand prix team is based in Italy and has been extremely successful using rational logic from the Japanese big wigs.
      Ducati has 2 titles to its name over the last 14 seasons using relatively rational management with only minor exceptions.
      Its a Ferrari thing more than an Italian thing.
      Enzo Ferrari was a dickhead anyway, and his team mirrored that.

    • @user-bm9cv9vn2k
      @user-bm9cv9vn2k Před 3 lety

      yeah and rather playing with emotions of drivers

  • @amjan
    @amjan Před 3 lety +28

    This made me appreciate and respect Prost even more! The "Crisis of optimism" was a brilliant statement by him. Incredibly relevant for many things in life.

  • @jordanchang133
    @jordanchang133 Před 3 lety +43

    Let’s hope history repeats itself and Sebastian wins his 5th title with Aston Martin.

    • @ad1t553
      @ad1t553 Před 3 lety +2

      Ohh I will love to see Ferrari see that happen.

    • @reltihfloda7419
      @reltihfloda7419 Před 3 lety +1

      Wont happent this year maybe 2022

    • @CS-yc6qp
      @CS-yc6qp Před 3 lety +1

      That’s a lot to hope for, I Hope he can finish the season

    • @tuffmanchannel
      @tuffmanchannel Před rokem

      ...man.

  • @Lucas-xj3fh
    @Lucas-xj3fh Před rokem +5

    I love how Prost said every problem of Ferrari and they just did nothing and fired him. And now just look at Ferrari today .... probably 90% of what he said is still here.
    I'm glad that Todt was able to apply what Prost said, but he is not here anymore

  • @barath4545
    @barath4545 Před 3 lety +8

    Prost was right. He literally went from Ferrari to Williams and put the smackdaddy on the 1993 season and won the WDC again to rub it in Ferraris face.

  • @treatb09
    @treatb09 Před 3 lety +7

    alain was a technology tester. he was the only driver qualified to test the top tech that they were developing. he bounced around teams, just at the right time to drive the cars that were most experimental, and paved the future of f1, all except the william's active suspension.

  • @a_yan6581
    @a_yan6581 Před 3 lety +56

    Prost : " The cars handles like a truck "
    Guys on the suits at Ferrari : " So you have chosen DEATH "

    • @Farsightful
      @Farsightful Před 2 lety

      Funnily enough, it s his job to say that. he s the pilot.

  • @nishitsingh1153
    @nishitsingh1153 Před 3 lety +29

    Drivers age at twice the rate when they're with Ferrari.

  • @maurocandiago4869
    @maurocandiago4869 Před 3 lety +6

    As an Italian who left the country 8 years ago, i can say that Ferrari resembles the static mentality of Italy and its people: "I'm always right", "it's not my fault", "bad luck is the reason of my failures. I never make mistakes", "I want to get the most, giving 0 effort".

  • @titan_fx
    @titan_fx Před 3 lety +53

    Prost foreshadowing 2020

    • @LimitPro1
      @LimitPro1 Před 3 lety +5

      He was right in the end

  • @georglorenz1036
    @georglorenz1036 Před 3 lety +7

    No matter how slow it was, but the look of that 643 is just 🤤

  • @Claggyt
    @Claggyt Před 3 lety +30

    To continue the comparison to more modern F1 - when Prost joined Mansell at Ferrari for 1990 it was similar to when Alonso joined Massa in 2010. Prost, like Alonso, was a multiple World Champion and the superior driver at most races. What Mansell did to Prost in Portugal in 1990 (swerving across Prost at the start and ruining Prost's race even though Prost was in a title fight) would have been the equivalent of Massa getting the "Fernando is faster than you" message in Germany 2010 and, instead of letting Alonso by, drove him off the circuit instead.
    With proper team support Prost would have won the title for Ferrari in 1990 but Mansell's ego was too fragile.

    • @toniportus
      @toniportus Před 3 lety +3

      Prost was great in 1990 to be able to fight for the title with a car that, even if improved during the season, was still inferior to McLaren in most of the tracks. Should he have won at Estoril probably the momentum would have led to the championship. I remember italian media criticizing Prost also in that season, Mansell being very much more beloved by the press and the car supposed to be the best...

    • @georglorenz1036
      @georglorenz1036 Před 3 lety +5

      That Mansell... I hate the 1990 Portuguese GP footage. How can one be so dumb? That could have been the Championship.

    • @MartinGonzalez-uq3zw
      @MartinGonzalez-uq3zw Před 3 lety

      T Ryan. Yes. Totally right

    • @paulmcnamara4774
      @paulmcnamara4774 Před 2 lety +2

      Mansell couldn't stand Prost don't blame him he made sure Nigel was given the crap car and he had the best one. I don't blame Nigel not wanting to help that creep out.

  • @christoforospaphitis4090
    @christoforospaphitis4090 Před 3 lety +13

    I consider Prost to be the most complete driver of all time and not listening to him when he has so many complaints means that you are doomed to fail. Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher restructured Ferrari to such an extend that one cannot consider it as a traditional Ferrari team and that brought huge success. When these three left the team started slowly but surely sliding back to their old ways. Today we see the epitome of the results of Ferrari mismanagement

  • @whassupg89
    @whassupg89 Před 3 lety +39

    Wow that relationship really was doomed. I didn’t realise what a mess it was before he called it a truck!

    • @CP-kb1du
      @CP-kb1du Před 3 lety +8

      Schumi called the 1996 Ferrari a car with a Parachute ... wake up Lauda Said the Ferrari was Trash

    • @wan7ucxOqSUBryTgfpBr7777
      @wan7ucxOqSUBryTgfpBr7777 Před 3 lety +3

      bcause at that time there wasnt a GP2 yet 😎

    • @sgtepicspeed3033
      @sgtepicspeed3033 Před 3 lety

      @@wan7ucxOqSUBryTgfpBr7777 Formula 3000 is the predecessor to GP2, so technically there was

    • @RezaMaulanaRezaMaulana98
      @RezaMaulanaRezaMaulana98 Před 3 lety +5

      ​@@CP-kb1du Ferrari engineer: "It's a Ferrari!", Lauda: "It's a shitbox!"

  • @p_adam19
    @p_adam19 Před 3 lety +25

    Next topic: Did Vettel get a lucky escape in 2020?

    • @SamuelSantos_
      @SamuelSantos_ Před 3 lety +10

      Probably. And Ricciardo dodged a bullet by missing out on a Ferrari seat.

    • @LimitPro1
      @LimitPro1 Před 3 lety +5

      @@SamuelSantos_ both are lucky

    • @hugonubario
      @hugonubario Před 3 lety +1

      when you get kicked out and you're happy...

  • @JR_harlow
    @JR_harlow Před 3 lety +8

    I still think he is underrated and shown as a villain by a lot of sources

  • @km6832
    @km6832 Před 3 lety +18

    I really do not see why drivers would ever want to drive for ferrari. The team is ran on so much politics it is insane. No driver has ever been happy there

    • @fenhen
      @fenhen Před 3 lety

      Pretty sure Schumacher was happy there.

    • @km6832
      @km6832 Před 3 lety

      @@fenhen because schumacher rose them from dirt and was the number 1 driver

    • @fenhen
      @fenhen Před 3 lety

      K M Alonso was their number 1 driver. You could argue Vettel was too during the Raikkonen years.
      I think it was more about Jean Todt and the leadership at the time.

    • @sebastianovanzetta512
      @sebastianovanzetta512 Před 3 lety

      It’s because it’s different from every other team, and it’s not me saying it, it’s the drivers themselves. If even Niki Lauda said “My head is with Mercedes (at that time he was Non-Executive President of Mercedes F1) but my heart is still with Ferrari. Every time they win, my heart beats fast” then it means something. (Lauda has even been buried with his Ferrari suit from 1975, as he wished). Then you have Jean Alesi, a man whose eyes still shine when he speaks of Ferrari, even if he had more bad moments than good moments. Even Vettel said that once you drive for Ferrari you become a fan for the rest of your life.

    • @sebastianovanzetta512
      @sebastianovanzetta512 Před 3 lety

      @@MPal24 Why would he do this? Well, Schumacher did it, and became a legend not only for his 91 wins, but because he brought back a championship to Ferrari. Even Ayrton Senna once said that he would have driven for Ferrari. He was with McLaren, the best toghether with Williams at that time, so why would he have done that? Ask yourself

  • @jcmarin3223
    @jcmarin3223 Před 3 lety +15

    "Team without directive and without strategy..." It sounds like the Ferrari of the past 3 to 4, or more (sans the Schumacher/Barrichello/Todt years), years.

  • @loiteringrambler2928
    @loiteringrambler2928 Před 3 lety +50

    so basically in the early 90‘s the same things were wrong like today

    • @hectornecromancer5308
      @hectornecromancer5308 Před 3 lety

      Some things never change
      And obviously Vettel didn't learn from his predecessor when he signed the contract

    • @anthony.esper21
      @anthony.esper21 Před 3 lety +2

      Yep. Everyone have a plan when they go to Ferrari, but Ferrari ruins it everytime, I mean at least they didn't for Michael.

    • @sohammhatre
      @sohammhatre Před 3 lety

      @@anthony.esper21 , pray for Sainz

  • @gustavomachado3488
    @gustavomachado3488 Před 3 lety +5

    If Prost had his way since 1990, Ferrari would've won that championship and have a car to fight for another in 91.

  • @Samylton
    @Samylton Před 3 lety +41

    The car handled like a truck- that’s ballsy

    • @ibraheemh5586
      @ibraheemh5586 Před 3 lety +8

      Not ballsy if it's the truth

    • @anthonysimoes7307
      @anthonysimoes7307 Před 3 lety +4

      Niki Lauda did one better. He said it was a shitbox, then still won 2 championships with them

  • @cyclonicleo
    @cyclonicleo Před 3 lety +34

    Ferrari and politics - they go together and yet it is the one thing that consistently sets Ferrari back.

  • @AsterixMiguelix
    @AsterixMiguelix Před 3 lety +5

    I always grew up a blind senna fan, only now do I see how Prost was also one of the top 5 drivers of all time.
    Ps: 10 minutes of looking at photos of the 643 has been a pleasure hahahah

    • @longde
      @longde Před rokem +4

      The more you understand their story, you'll see Senna was Prost's #1 fan and once Prost retired, Senna's motivation wasn't there anymore.

  • @JeffSyam
    @JeffSyam Před 3 lety +9

    Off course they were wrong. But yes only two drivers who managed to change team culture, Lauda & Schumacher, and sadly after them gone, team culture back to "default setting": totally disconnected with drivers during development and then slaving drivers to control the cars.

  • @heliumtrophy
    @heliumtrophy Před 3 lety +7

    I mean you could tell something was up during the end of the Schumacher era when there were people in the Italian press complaining that Ferrari no longer felt like it was an Italian team because there were very few Italians left and Ferrari post-Montezemolo were hugely reactionary and went down that road and I think we've seen what happens. Prost also should share his part of the blame because his comments were getting extremely insufferable (mirroring the situation he was in) so there was no way that he was helping the situation. It's just a shame it didn't work out but Ferrari is a toxic place to be in - and having Nigel Mansell as your team-mate can also be a pain in the arse so it was never going to be enjoyable.

  • @vodevick
    @vodevick Před 3 lety +4

    OMG those were beautiful cars back then! So sleek and ”clean” looking compared to today’s overloaded monsters. I miss those times...

  • @JiwhanKimMusic
    @JiwhanKimMusic Před 3 lety +137

    FERRARI RUINED DRIVERS:
    Alain Prost
    Phil Hill
    John Surtees
    Felipe Massa
    Jean Alesi
    Rubens Barrichelo
    Fernando Alonso
    Kimi Raikonmen
    Sebastian Vettel
    RIP LEGENDS😭

    • @the9der352
      @the9der352 Před 3 lety +23

      How ironic Raikkonen earned the team their latest WDC...

    • @supermax7208
      @supermax7208 Před 3 lety +48

      You forgot Jean Alesi

    • @d.a.5135
      @d.a.5135 Před 3 lety +15

      Not really. Ferrari kept Raikkonen and Massa for a long time even though both drivers were underperforming plus Kimi won his only title there and Massa had his best chance to win a title there as well.
      Alonso and Vettel is also debatable - both had two shots to win the title and only could have got a better seat if they had gone to Red Bull (in Alonsos case) or Mercedes (in Vettels case).

    • @maxomax.666
      @maxomax.666 Před 3 lety +21

      Nigel Mansell
      Rubens Barrichello

    • @elta6241
      @elta6241 Před 3 lety +21

      At least Kimi won a championship, but once Jean Todt had left it was crystal clear he was yesterday’s man.

  • @Rich77UK
    @Rich77UK Před 3 lety +3

    I know many don't like Prost but you can't deny he was a hell of a driver. I miss the Senna, Mansel, Prost days. Real characters driving and both cars and drivers had personality. Also. That 7up liveried Jordan 191...isnt that just the best looking F1 car ever!

  • @MrTommySullivan
    @MrTommySullivan Před 3 lety +6

    I have to say it - the 641/2, in my opinion, was the most beautiful F1 car every designed by mankind.

    • @andrearojas1248
      @andrearojas1248 Před 3 lety +1

      I liked all the 640's 1989-1991, mostly 640 & 643.

    • @sebastianovanzetta512
      @sebastianovanzetta512 Před 3 lety +1

      Saw it at Enzo Ferrari Museum in Modena...I kept staring at it like it was a Van Gogh painting

  • @eddieconroy212
    @eddieconroy212 Před 3 lety +13

    Ferrari were on a downward spiral from 91 onwards. I don’t think Prost as a driver could have done anything to stop that. A clean sweep at the top was need and that’s what happened with Tolt coming on board, but even then it took years to rebuild.

  • @Houston1863
    @Houston1863 Před 3 lety +6

    Ferrari will never change. The politics, the poor management and the often-made accusation that there are too many chiefs in the place. Their golden era when Michael Schumacher arrived did not come until his fifth year with the team and with his own key personnel at that ( by whom I mean Brawn, Todt, et al ).
    One only has to look at them now. With Alain Prost and Fernando Alonso, they should have cleaned up. Instead they allowed themselves to be taken to the cleaners. It's such a sad waste and a waste of the talent of some of the greatest drivers ever in the sport. When Jody Sheckter signed with the team, I recall Jackie Stewart remarked when asked that Ferrari was not the team he would go to by choice. Despite Sheckter's solus and gifted title ( because Giles Villeneuve should have been the champion ) in 1979, Stewart's comments hold true to this day.

    • @integral32gb
      @integral32gb Před 3 lety

      'because Giles Villeneuve should have been the champion',, errr no. GV would have never been champion. Yes he was a natural driver, but you need more than that to win a WDC. Jody's techincal skill, racecraft and consistancy, won him the championship (wth very big help from the Michelin radials and Ferrari reliability). GV couldn't set a car up in a month of sundays, Jody did that in 1979. Once a real serious talent in the form of Didier Pironi turned up at Ferrari, GV was starting to look less than brilliant. If you think I'm hard on GV, then go and look back at some of the races he was in contention and then threw it away (Dutch 1979 is a case in point where Alan Jones worried GV into the most amateur of mistakes) and say to me he could have been WDC

  • @georglorenz1036
    @georglorenz1036 Před 3 lety +4

    Still hating Mansell for screwing up the Portuguese GP in 1990...

  • @roastingminer6919
    @roastingminer6919 Před 3 lety +9

    That ferrari looked and sounded beautiful.
    Ferrari f640-f643

    • @amjan
      @amjan Před 3 lety

      Don't forget the F639 which it all began from!

  • @crusherbmx
    @crusherbmx Před 3 lety +4

    My heart sank when he said "nearly 30 years ago"

  • @Blu9ty
    @Blu9ty Před 3 lety +12

    Most of the stuff mentioned hasn't changed.

  • @claudioschumi87
    @claudioschumi87 Před 3 lety +4

    Being a Ferrari fan and Italian I was too young to remember the struggles of the 90s and the political mess Ferrari were going through. A lot of people don't seem to understand that not long ago Enzo Farrari had passed and before the great man left us it was his way of running things or nothing mentality and I think Luca Di Montezomolo wanted to replicate the great man philosophy but with the Agnelli family (FIAT) becoming more involved it always difficult recreate what Enzo had done for decades before his passing. I became a fan from 95 onwards what Jean Todt and Luca did was very risky and expensive because getting a driver like Michael Schumacher from Benetton when he was winning titles against a very good Williams team you must back it up with a car that can win titles. I think Michael knew it was going to be a challenge and that's why he went but I don't think he understood the history and traditions behind it in his early start at Ferrari it took him a few years maybe the first title at Ferrari in 2000 when he finally understood the meaning of being a Ferrari driver. That being said I think Prost wanted that at Ferrari after his departure in a bitter way at Mclaren with Ron and Senna and wanted to prove them what he is capable of without Mclaren. If Prost had Todt and Brawn in the team I think the Schumacher era would have happened much earlier than 96-2006.

  • @MP48
    @MP48 Před 3 lety +3

    Prost was a good organiser. He wasn't as focused on just driving as Senna was. He was very influencial in the technical and administrative functions. Maybe too loyal. Probably his biggest mistake was buying Ligier when it was already on the way down and depending on promises of politicians to ensure financial backing. Still one of the best drivers ever

  • @Geeoorggee
    @Geeoorggee Před 3 lety +13

    Yesss more like this plz!! Love history

  • @varunsambi2004
    @varunsambi2004 Před 3 lety +2

    Carlos Sianz : write that shit down. 😂

  • @bassmunk
    @bassmunk Před 3 lety +1

    Impulsiveness has no place in a technical sport/work place. This is why Mercedes is such a powerhouse. They don't relax when things are good, they don't let tension build, they are very transparent.
    "This is why things are the way they are and we all need to get on top of it. Your personal dramas are not for the work place. We need everyone to work together to maximize productivity." That's their attitude in a nutshell.

    • @mich722
      @mich722 Před 3 lety

      Ferrari lost Marchionne.

  • @artpereira
    @artpereira Před 3 lety +3

    I am not a Prost fan at all, but he did know how F1 worked almost better than anyone at the time.

  • @F1pidis
    @F1pidis Před 3 lety +6

    All this instability within the team is poisonous. Look at Ferrari nowadays, the exact same thing is happening, changing personnel on a whim and not giving them time to build the team. You can't bring in new people and suddenly get to the top, they will be too inexperienced, which is why Ferrari is struggling right now. Just look at how many bosses they threw out. In just 3 years they went from Domenically to Mattiaci and then arrivabene and as things were looking to gradually improve the went and changed things up again, in just 3 YEARS. And we can all see the result....

  • @r7coo
    @r7coo Před 3 lety +2

    I was gutted when Mansell left Ferrari at the end of 1990.Wheras it was the smartest move he made.

  • @callesierra
    @callesierra Před 3 lety +5

    When Ross Brawn took over the team he made it mandatory that the language among the team be ENGLISH. The Italians are very emotional by nature and sometimes that’s an issue. Now that McLaren is finding its feet Sainz may join the list of “ used to drive for Ferrari” drivers which would be a shame. How many chiefs have this team had in the last 5 years. No stability. This is a terrible shame because they are legends. Only time will tell.

  • @eIucidate
    @eIucidate Před 3 lety +11

    Can you do one about Hill being fired by Williams?

    • @CapHowdy
      @CapHowdy Před 3 lety +3

      Well he wasn't "fired". Prost was "fired" by Ferrari. Frentzen was "fired" by Jordan. Hill just did not have his contract renewed as it expired at the end of 1996.
      Not retaining a driver and firing them are two different things.

    • @mrorangepeel659
      @mrorangepeel659 Před 3 lety +3

      CapHowdy They made the decision not to renew Hill’s contract during 1995... while Hill wasn’t performing well and made a few mistakes. Williams were then shocked as Hill dominated in 1996. Frank Williams later admitted that he had underestimated Hill and his speed, and had always regretted the decision.

    • @eIucidate
      @eIucidate Před 3 lety

      @@CapHowdy Yes indeed they are different but for the intents and purposes of my request, it'll do. Just as this video focuses on what led up to Prost being fired, I was more interested in seeing a video about what led up to Hill's departure, rather than the specifics of whether he was fired or the team had his contract lapse.

    • @gigsawsoljier1408
      @gigsawsoljier1408 Před 3 lety

      @@mrorangepeel659 dominated is a strong word for a driver who had by far best car and a rookie team mate and schumacher switched teams

    • @izanagisburden9465
      @izanagisburden9465 Před 3 lety

      @@gigsawsoljier1408 dominated is dominated... I don't think what else it can mean no matter how ass he was at a competitive level

  • @GARBO96
    @GARBO96 Před 3 lety +11

    A lot of what he tried to do was put in place later on. how do you say that and then say maybe he was right it's not maybe it's he was right A lot of what he tried to do was use later on, on a extremely dominant team

  • @isuckatthisgame
    @isuckatthisgame Před 3 lety +5

    prost was right from the beginning

  • @Z06RFan
    @Z06RFan Před 2 lety +1

    Remember Prost was great at setting up the cars. He also had a great mentor Lauda who taught him even more about setup. It was Lauda that turned Ferrari around in the 70's. I remember watching F1 during those times and Ferrari had issues and was never consistent. We can all play "What if" with this scenario. In all sports it takes great people to accomplish great results. All sports teams go in cycles of winning their respective championships.

  • @user-gy2dr7ff9u
    @user-gy2dr7ff9u Před 3 lety +4

    If they had listened to him, Prost could have built a powerhouse there.

  • @peponeslotproject8748
    @peponeslotproject8748 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Prost was right about his Ferrai experience. It was a very sad one in his carreer !

  • @majorkilljoy
    @majorkilljoy Před 3 lety +1

    i think half of Ferraris problem is everyone in management thinks the teams the best and will never hear any negative comments

  • @TenorCantusFirmus
    @TenorCantusFirmus Před 3 lety +3

    It always makes me a strange effect to me seeing n.27 both on Prost's and Gilles' Ferraris, two such different drivers having the same number...
    History is anyway repeating, it's absurd to see how we haven't learnt from the errors of the past... Why we always have to have these long droughts? We should have learnt from the previous two...

    • @longde
      @longde Před rokem

      Gilles and Prost were good, ckose friends.

    • @TenorCantusFirmus
      @TenorCantusFirmus Před rokem

      @@longde Yes, but still a bit strange seeing the 27 on Ferraris driven by both.

  • @sh0t3dNL
    @sh0t3dNL Před 3 lety

    Great video! I like your content.
    If you don't mind, i'd like to give some feedback on your video's. Idk if this is just me, but i expierence your voice volume as being quite low. I often find myself turning up the volume 2.5 - 3 times, wich makes me sh*t myself when moving on to some other video. Maybe it's possible to upload with some enhanced volume?

  • @fabiosousa9814
    @fabiosousa9814 Před 3 lety +10

    Alain Prost is just awesome!

  • @lespaz1197
    @lespaz1197 Před 3 lety +4

    Seeing today how talented Prost is to lead a team (Prost ACer already could have been really successful if many things didnt go wrong) Ferrari definatley should have listened more to him but then maybe they wouldnt have brought in di Montezemolo

  • @jraybay
    @jraybay Před 3 lety +5

    Good content 😎

  • @mattbowers8143
    @mattbowers8143 Před 3 lety +3

    The race is a world apart and in a different class than what autosport is putting out recently... autosport is terrible with who they have on their team right now and long may it last... keep it up the race.

  • @SB-or7cx
    @SB-or7cx Před 3 lety

    Nice vidéo, thanks!

  • @ducky5336
    @ducky5336 Před 3 lety +23

    This appeared in my recommended and it’s only been 22 minutes

  • @skinnyrigid
    @skinnyrigid Před 3 lety +7

    Only 2 drivers have won the WDC in the past 40 years for Ferrari, says a lot about their management. If Prost had the team/framework The Michael had he could've been 6x or 7x WDC no doubt.

    • @gorkab8461
      @gorkab8461 Před 3 lety +3

      And you could argue Kimi won because of the McLaren self-destruct meltdown!

    • @paperplane-db8qf
      @paperplane-db8qf Před 8 měsíci

      @@gorkab8461Kimi had a lot of reliability issues resulting in DNFs in 2007 while Lewis just had a gearbox issue in Brazil and Alonso had none. so he should’ve won the title regardless and was not lucky because of Mclaren.

  • @jordanstriker1656
    @jordanstriker1656 Před 3 lety +6

    Prost: "The car drives like a truck"
    Ferrari: You're fired

    • @renatonunes1533
      @renatonunes1533 Před 3 lety

      Prost always blamed the cars for his own defeats and Ferrari knew what he looked like when hired him. I haven't even finished watching the video, but I'm sure the real reason for Prost's departure is not among the 9 reasons: as revealed by Piquet, Prost had sex with a Ferrari director's wife.

  • @jonnyscott8910
    @jonnyscott8910 Před 3 lety +3

    Would have been great for prost to be wdc but the Italians don't like criticism as I've found out working with them and it's a shame that Ferrari have a revolving management style and a dirty habit of chucking out drivers that alleged to be past their best and I can't them getting things sorted out and the driver to be champion was raikkonen so it says a lot.

  • @srivenkat2811
    @srivenkat2811 Před 3 lety +2

    Can we get a video about Jean Todt and those masterclass years please?

  • @charlie.mike.7659
    @charlie.mike.7659 Před 3 lety +1

    so when's season 2 of the bring back v10s podcast?

  • @sarelras4103
    @sarelras4103 Před rokem +1

    He was fired twice once by Renault and Ferrari

  • @keyboardwarrior327
    @keyboardwarrior327 Před 3 lety

    Based on the podcast on the subject (which I loved and re-listen to often), this video will be a good one.

  • @EB_110
    @EB_110 Před 3 lety +1

    An element to add in the problem is that Ferrari had lost Enzo just two years before, then there is no wonder why the team was so bad structured.

    • @mich722
      @mich722 Před 3 lety

      And recently they lost Marchionne! Yet this is conveniently forgotten for some reason.....

  • @joe5boost
    @joe5boost Před 3 lety +3

    all said and done that 1990 car is so god damm beautiful

  • @MacVSog64-72
    @MacVSog64-72 Před 3 lety +1

    Mansell and testing??? Mansell was more interested to test new golf clubs instead of his F1 car that´s why he was the first one on the golf course and also the 1st one to leave the race track!

  • @Ultegra10SPD
    @Ultegra10SPD Před 3 lety +7

    PC language affects on describing a Ferrari F1 car.
    Lauda - 1973 - “Sh-.”
    Prost - 1991 - “truck”.
    Vettel - 2020 - too muzzled by PR handlers to say anything not run thru a legal team first.

  • @hoverbike
    @hoverbike Před 3 lety

    Top tip: a thick, winter sock, can be used as an improvised pop-filter on a microphone.

  • @ZedNinetySix_
    @ZedNinetySix_ Před 3 lety +1

    Micheal Scumacher NEVER said a bad word of his team, he was greatful reguardless. Look where that put him.

  • @Sagitariosun1776
    @Sagitariosun1776 Před 3 lety

    Ask Enrique Scalabroni for more information about this since you didn´t mention him here. He also left the team when he was main designer of Ferrari in 1990. This video would make much more sense.

  • @jarofflies1
    @jarofflies1 Před 3 lety +1

    Well, the Schumacher era success was built under the leadership of Ross Brawn and the Benneton staff that followed him. It was that 'british' approach that Prost longed for in his Ferrari days.

  • @176tyrex6
    @176tyrex6 Před 3 lety +2

    Lauda : this thing is a piece of shit
    Ferrari : you cant say that!!!
    Lauda : why?
    Ferrari : its a ferrari!!!
    "rush movie"

  • @christendombaffler
    @christendombaffler Před 3 lety +2

    Ferrari are their own worst enemy. It sucks for Vettel because his nostalgia blinded him to the fact that it was Schumacher and his entourage who made Ferrari the beastly contender that it was back in the day, not the actual Italians in the team. I don't see things going any better for Leclerc in the future.

    • @ZeZeBatata69
      @ZeZeBatata69 Před 3 lety

      The problem with Ferrari and Vettel ( in the first years ) is called Mercedes.

    • @gorkab8461
      @gorkab8461 Před 3 lety

      After 2014, Vettel had no choice but to leave Red Bull, and Alonso gave him the golden opportunity to join Ferrari

    • @LimitPro1
      @LimitPro1 Před 3 lety

      He was blind and now that reality settle in he is likely feeling like shit now

  • @MetalMonster313
    @MetalMonster313 Před 3 lety +2

    Imagine the scenes after Ferrari dropping Seb that the team he joins next year wins the title in 22

  • @user-mr9tw6dj6h
    @user-mr9tw6dj6h Před 3 lety +3

    all of those sounded fimilar