How To Hydrofoil the 2nd Wave without the rope | How to do Wakefoil wave transfers
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2019
- Are you new to the Hydrofoil? Or just want to take your wake foiling to the next level. The second wave can help you do either. It also opens up the possibility of all kinds of boats and wakes to wakefoiling. $100k+ wake surf boat not required to hydrofoil behind the boat! In this video we'll walk through how to identify and position yourself to wakefoil the second wave. We shoot the wakefoiling from both the boat and the first person. When learning how to hydrofoil the 2nd wave, visual recognition of where the power of the wave is the key to wakefoiling the second wave. Find the bubble line!
Once you can wake foil surf the second wave you're ready to take your wakefoil surfing to the next level. How to do wakefoil wave transfers. So whether you're looking to go second wave to first wave OR if you'd like to move across the wake left to right, we have the wake foil tips for you.
We hope you enjoy. Board used: Slingshot Hover Glide wake foil. Wake Foil wings Slingshot Hover Glide Gamma 68cm foil and Slingshot Hover Glide Infinity 84cm foil. Wakeboat: Mastercraft X23 @11.5mph.
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I'm finally getting consistent 2nd wave rides. The bubbles are KEY,!! Now on to the left to right transfers.
Fantastic -- glad to hear that the progression is happening.
Cheers,
Tim
BEST video available on catching the waves while on foil! Thank you!
Kids are looking forward to Spring!
Thanks so much. The KIDS and ME TOO! We just launched our Fit-For-Spring challenge...you may want to join in for some potential give aways etc. instagram.com/p/CLxComrj-Wg/?
Cheers!
Tim
I watched this video a few times. Took note of where you placed your feet in relation to the mast. Also used the tips you showed and what do you know I can now surf the 2nd wave. I'm even doing small carving turns on it. I only fill the ballast by a third.
Thanks for the tips and video! It was pretty helpful.
way to go James! So glad to be of help to you. Feel free to visit our website and buy a hat or something :-) www.halflife.live
Best,
The Half-Life Crew
Good video mate
FORREAL #1 thanks for real!
good stuff
Thanks James.
That boat makes a badass wave. Some good clips in there bro
Thanks SC Nomad! Should we assume SC is South Carolina? Or where?
HALF-LIFE currently New England.
Right on! Haven't surfed or wake foiled up there. Cold water I assume?
HALF-LIFE actually the lakes are nice and warm right now. I spend plenty of time swimming!
Thanks for the excellent video. This is exactly what I was looking for! I just got a moses 843 foil. The biggest problem I find with this foil wing and mast is it floats too much and trying to sink it to get started is a little tricky. The extended rope thing was what I thought I needed as I felt with the regular wake surf rope I couldn't get back to the second wave. Cheers guys
Great to hear Harold! Thank you for the note.
Hey Harold - what's the latest with your foiling? How is it progressing?
Best boat wake foiling tutorials on YT, 2nd to none!
You saying bubble line - do you mean staying on the outer edge where the bubbles end? It looks like a 10 Ft wide bubble carpet forming after the first roller and not sure what 'line' you are referring to
Thank you! Probably the easiest thing to do is an online Zoom lesson. $50/half hour and we do an excellent job breaking down your foiling and showing you example for how you can improve. Email us at halflifet.5@gmail.com
Cheers,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO You mean I make a vis clip of our wave and you analyze it?
Vid clip
Thanks for the video- are you running full ballast tanks in the boat? I’m dropping the rope with empty tanks, curious about your boat set up
Hi Rodney! Thanks for checking out our video - hopefully you subscribed to our CZcams channel and follow us on instagram @halflifet.5
We prefer to run full ballast - just as you would for a wakesurf session. It gives us big wave. The extra 'bonus' benefit is that when you do a 2nd to 1st wave transfer - that first wave is set up for you to rip. It's a nice way to put variety in your run so you develop different skill sets and balance on the foil.
You're going to love the bigger wave! Let us know how it goes.
Great tips thank you what link board are you riding in this video and what make is the board thank you
Hi Kurt -- That's the 2019 WF-2 Slingshot for the board. We're riding the 84cm Hover Glide on a 46cm mast. If I were to design a package for you - I'd want to know: weight, typical boat you ride behind, currently level, and goal. If you share, we can design the optimum package for you.
If you already have a foil setup - we also do video lessons (Zoom) where you send video to me, we pull it up and break it down together. It's actually super effective and you can even do it via Facetime on your boat!
Please don't hesitate with any additional questions. If you want more indepth info you can email us at halflifet.5@gmail.com.
Cheers!
Tim
You guys do lessons? Im in Lake Tapps wa just got a liquid force launch setup and need help lol
We sure do -- Lake WA in Seattle. We can travel down to Lake Tapps but it's expensive. Call (909) 698-0401 or email halflifet.5@gmail.com
Best,
Tim
Awesome i just sent email
Hi there I am also a little confused about the bubble line. How can I arrange a 30 minute $50 zoom lesson with you guys?
Hi Robert -- would love to do a zoom lesson with you. Please have someone in the boat video 3-4 short clips of you behind the boat, we'll access the footage and talk through ways to improve together. We'll record the session and send it to you afterwards so you can look at it right before you hit the water the next time.
Please email Tim at halflifet.5@gmail.com and we'll get you scheduled.
Best,
The Half-Life Crew
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Thank you so much. I will get the videos done ASAP and revert. Take care and God Bless!
Seeing this long after you posted. We finally bought our Slingshot Hoverglide Foil Wake V3 package. We have a 2003 Centurion Sport Bowrider direct drive. We’ve been wakesurfing for years with just 800 pounds ballast. Kids can ride the wave with zero ballast. I weigh 197 pounds. Board comes with Gamma 68cm front wing. Think we’re good?
NO! 68cm at 197lb is going to be too limiting for you. If you stay with Slingshot - I'd recommend you go Hover Glide 84 to give you more options on the second wave etc.
If you can swing it -- the best foil for you would be the Armstrong HS1550V2 foil kit. Call us if you'd like to discuss (909) 698-0401.
Cheers,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Same stabilizer?
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO thanks for the fast response! Can’t swing a whole new setup, but did order the Hoverglide 84.
Thanks!
Do you recommend using full ballast? On a surf-style wake boat?
It depends upon your riding level and intent. If you're just getting started - you don't need the ballast. You'll use wayyy less gas and have a great time. You can see more about how to configure your boat here: czcams.com/video/wtf2tmPihfE/video.html
Best,
Tim
Love the videos! I’m on day 5 with my Slingshot f wake. I have the gamma 68 w/ a 61 cm mast. Day 1-2 I got used to the wing. Day 3 was just trying to stay up for long stretches. Yesterday and today was more getting used to carve back and forth.. all with a long line. First question.. why do I lift up and slam down on the water each time I cross the wake? I basically have to drop the board back on the water to cross. Secondly, I started riding at 8.5 and feel better at 9.3. Is there a specific speed I should get used to before I start trying to drop the line? Thanks! I’m so addicted. We live on a lake and I have all the toys. NOTHING compares to this! BTW I’m riding behind a B-52 and I’m not putting any lbs in the ballast at this time. I’m pretty much the only one out here with a foil.. it’s epic!
Hi Michael - That is fantastic! Way to go. From what I can glean from the above, I think the lift up and slam has less to do with crossing the wake and more to do with your ability to control height. Here's my suggestion:
1) Go outside of the wake in the smooth water -- elevate, then touch down the board -- repeat.
2) outside of the wake hold a consistent height -- whether you hit waves from other boats etc...try to do it where your board doesn't hit the water.
3) I'm guessing it rises up or gives you issues when you go through the main turbulence of the wake. Bend your knees - "soft knees" to help absorb any turbulence while maintaining a very neutral stance.
The source of rise up/slam down is typically either a rise up and breach (foil breaks the surface) which is followed by a quick descent into the water :-) or just a full out back foot too much pressure. Fly that board a bit lower, soft knees crossing the wakes.
Many people struggle on the second wake with dropping the rope. Often times it's from coming over the top of the wave and into the second wave. Start at the bottom, in the trought and work your way up.
I'd recommend that you try to drop the rope on your natural side, find the power point of the wave etc before doing transfers.
Your speed seems slow. We ride at 11.2. Fill those ballast when you're ready and go at the same speed that you wakesurf at. It's so great to hear that you're having fun. Foiling really is a game changer and we're stoked to hear you're getting into it. Hopefully you subscribed to our channel and began to follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5 Send us some pics - we'd love to feature you.
HALF-LIFE appreciate the reply. I’ve also been working on two things at once. While learning to keep a consistent height on the board with a rope, I’ve been working on finding my bubble line on my boat. That way, when I’m ready to go ropeless, I’ll have a bit more of an understanding of where she is! Keep the videos coming!
Nice! I assume you've seen all of these 'how to' videos in this playlist -- czcams.com/play/PLX8JNpzm5TVstDxHuWvSRyza-2_HtVmZG.html
We just got done doing a first in a lifetime event this past Friday - hope to get the video out early this week!
Great video thanks but you do talk a lot about the bubble line and I’m not sure where that was. Is it the line at the crest of the wave or the line running directly back from the boat? There are bubbles everywhere. Also, at which point did you swap the foil from the 84cm to the smaller foil?
Also, how was the foil set up? Was it with the mast in the forward or rear position in the fuse?
Hi Sirk! Hope that’s ok for shortening! Sorry for the confusion. The bubble line is the line created by the first wake. If you sit in the boat and look back you’ll see a natural line in the water where ‘white’ (what I call bubble line) meets clean water. Make sense? The 84cm Slingshot mounts in the ‘B’ position. We have the foil all the way back in the mounting box.
Does that answer your questions? If not, please let us know.
Which wave do you recommend for those of us who are just learning to drop the rope?
Hi Carson -- Thank you for checking out our videos. What type of boat are you behind? It makes a lot of difference. Please shoot us a message and I may adjust our response. It all depends. Here's the pros and cons:
- First Wave: Pros - plenty of power in the wave and you don't have to 'search' for it. It's very visually apparent. Your starting pocket can be similar to that of wake surf which a lot of people have experience with. Cons - Steepness of the wave and a beginner tendency to shoot to the top, breach, and fall.
- Second Wave: Pros - more gentle falls, less steepness to the wave, tends to happen 'slower'. Cons - MUCH more difficult to visually see and find the wave. It actually takes a bit more skill to maintain on foil for a smaller wave than it does on a larger wave (within reason of course).
All of this said - I started foiling on a Slingshot Gamma 68cm. The best wave before I knew how to ride it efficiently was the first wave. Let us know what foil setup you're on and the boat your behind and we'll true up our recommendation. If you haven't yet - we'd really appreciate it if you would subscribe to our CZcams channel. Thanks Carson!
I'm 200 lbs riding on an infinity 76 behind a Malibu Sunsetter classic direct drive ski type boat. Even with no weight in the boat it seems that the second wave has the power to hold me in the pocket so far, I just need to get better at staying there. Finding the wave hasn't seemed to be a problem for me but staying on it is difficult. I haven't tried the first wave yet, my next time out I'll give it a try if you think it makes more sense.
@@carsonking3798 Hey Carson! I'd say it's always worth experimenting. In my Malibu Sunsetter Lxi - it's ALL about the second wave. That's great to hear that you're able to find the wave without a problem. What I mean by 'finding' is slacking the rope, dropping the rope, and sustaining based upon visual clues. You'll want to study the wave from the boat and then envision it when you're on the wave. If your Sunsetter is like mine - the 'bubble line' is about the center of the power zone. You confidently have 2-3 feet either side. When you shoot down the wave face you can sometimes get out in front of the wave. In this case turn towards the bubble line to recover your power/speed. Make sense? Often times people will have the tip of their board aimed too far outside of the wake and just 'slip' out of the wave. Be sure to point your board tip toward the back corner of the swim step to help orient you to how to regain speed. Make sense? I would still encourage you to try out the first wave - easy to shorten the rope and you may find a simpler dynamic to drop the rope....my hunch is that you'll continue to like the 2nd wave better but there's only one way to find out!
Yes that all makes sense. I will probably try out the front wave just to see but right now I think I feel more comfortable with the smooth glassy water further back. My next session will only be #3 so the bigger wave and the turbulent water still scare me a bit. I'm having a blast figuring this thing out!
@@carsonking3798 Enjoy the process my man! It is killer and so long as you have fun along the way it's all good. Foiling is all about TOW - Time On Water. You'll be whipping across on transfers before you know it...AND...those never get boring.
Hey, I reached out to you guys recently.. I'm currently riding a 76cm with 61cm mast.. wireless and carving the first wave with no problem.. Only tried the 2nd wave once and struggled going wireless. I'm 6'1 228lbs and have been trying to get somebody to sell me a Hover Glide FSUP V3 and exchange the 84cm with a 99cm to complete the package deal.. Nobody is willing to do this or they tell me the 99cm is out of stock.. At this point I think I will just buy the FSUP V3 with the 84cm... and eventually just buy the 99cm wing separately.. I want to do wake transfers on the 2nd wave and feel the larger wing of the 84 or 99 will help me do this vs. my current 76cm set up.. Thoughts? The 76Cm is a blast.. I have no problem with it even @ my weight but feel I would get better pump results from a larger wing.
Riding behind a V-Drive Wakeboard/Surf boat so the wave isn't the problem.. and speed is about 10.5mph Thanks for the help
Hi Colosufer! Great to hear from you again. Well done on the first wave carving! Once you do that you're ready to open up the possibilities of the second wave. The 99cm is indeed out of stock unfortunately. So that leaves you with the decision to move forward with the 84cm and then get a 99cm down the road. You may want to ping Slingshot on timing -- www.slingshotsports.com/slingshot-contact-us.
If you have plenty of wave and solid technique, I do believe the 84cm will work for you. That said....99cm is a safer bet. At your size and with a desire to do wave transfers, I recommend the 71cm mast. Ride it high when initiating the transfer.
I'd love to see some footage of you on the 2nd wave with the 76cm to see what the cause of challenge is. The 84cm has a lot more glide than the 76cm. For example, on my tournament ski boat - the 84cm is no problem on a very small wake. At 178lb the 76cm was a challenge for long sustained rides.
Final recommendation: Go with the 84cm........but don't be mad at us if you end up preferring the 99cm. Both should work.
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Thanks for the info.. Tried again over the weekend on the 2nd wave.. Wireless for 30-45 seconds.. then I lose the wave. Hard to see where I'm at on the second wave. My crew tells me I get too far in front of the wave then lose the push.... I'm in the bubble line... I try carving the wave so I don't get too far out in front but still having problems.. I'll get it.. First wave is so much easier at this point.. Thanks again.
Just checking back in @colosufer How's the second wave coming along? Keep your eyes on the corner of the swim platform and make turns to keep yourself on the bubble line. Let us know how it's going.
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO I have just been riding the 1st wave.. So much fun.. I need to give the 2nd wave another try.. I'll let you know. Thanks for checking in...
How fast is the boat going in this video?
Hi Mason - thanks for checking out our video. We wake foil between 10.5mph and 11.5mph depending upon the boat. We're at 11.5mph in this video. What foil are you currently riding on?
HALF-LIFE I am riding on a slingshot behind a air nautique g25
@@masonconatser4100 Excellent. Which size wing? The G25 is a beast of a boat! I'd recommend ~11.2mph. But play around a bit to find the right speed. For second wave foiling you want to maximize the size of the second wave hump when looking right behind the boat. If you send us video - we're happy to weigh in on the speed. Hopefully you're out there having a blast!
HALF-LIFE thank you so much. And it’s a 17 inch wing
@@masonconatser4100 Hmmm. Usually there will be a wing name e.g. Infinity 68cm as opposed to 17". I'm not sure which wing that is but it sounds like with the speed you're all set. Let us know if you have any additional questions. Enjoy!
What length
Hi Kurt -- if you're referring to rope length for the 2nd wave. It depends upon the boat make/model but in general a 75' wakeboard rope will ensure you have the length you need. I make a 60' work but prefer the extra flexibility of the additional 15'.
Thank you / I was wondering length of the WF2 - thank you for the vids!
Haha -- well at least now you can compare the tow rope length! I'm pretty sure the length between 2019 and 2020 didn't change. It's 4'10" and is the equivalent to this board: www.slingshotsports.com/WF2-Wake-Foil-Board-Only
Got it and thank you! I’ll keep enjoying the vids - they are helping!
@@kurtbrown9618 Right on! Enjoy the riding and let us know how it goes! You'll see more great content on our Instagram account @halflifet.5