Great video, I have a 2018 Insignia B with this engine and have the dreaded rattle every now and again on startup. It’s on finance which is at the half way point at the end of the year so I am either going to move it on or will hit you up if I decide to keep it, have kept the oil changes very regular since I have had it.
Useful tip to wind in the hex shaft to free off the top timing cover. IMPORTANTLY there is a m8 tapping on the opposite end, it is does not go through into the housing. Wind in a bolt and it pushes that end out as well. Without it there is a high risk of flexing the cover and cracking it....
Your video confirmed that if I order the tensioner from Europe, I would get the included gasket. These engines are in Chevy Equinox's in North America. The gasket or updated tensioner with gasket does not exist here and my GM dealer says "that rattle is normal", even though it sounds like I am shaking a jar full of marbles at startup. To save my car, I am paying out of pocket (7 hrs labour, $500CAD in parts, I am supplying the gasket and tensioner) for the tensioner gasket to be installed for a 2019 that is still under powertrain warranty (90,000kms).
I will agree on the fact that its not a nice job, ive done it myself and have a video on my channel. Its interesting they seem to have updated a few things on the later engines, for one being the o rings on the timing cover, not silicone. Experience now tells me that over regular oil changes are a must, with 6-8k mile oil changes on ours, its now over 180k miles and still going strong.
Hi baz, good to see professional workmanship. Wish you were local to me. Just had main rattle like hell the other nite then got warning "oil pressure low switch engine off" lucky i was only 200yards from home switched off engine immediately and rolled down hill into driveway. Told by Vauxhall £160 to diagnose fault. Been told by another garage sometime parts off the tensioner breaks off and block oil pump pick up. Any suggestions would be helpful and price to replace chain. Thks
Hello baz,I believe this is the infamous tensioner chain rattle 1.6 cdti from opel? We have the same engine but in a astra k. Bought it second hand with 20 000km on it. Started to rattle shortly after, couple of months. Since then not only rattles on start-up but also while driving. At certain rpm its like stones on the engine. I agree that the oil flows back when standstill. But while running oil pressure should be constant? I believe there are many 1.6cdti in UK. How common is this issue? Is everything solved with the magic gasket. I read on many forums after a while it rattles again even with that gasket? Should have recalled this I think from opel. But no garage, dealer of even opel Belgium want to help me with this issue. I wrote letters to the main dealer here but only want to replace the whole timing at my own expense WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY IT'S SOLVES THE PROBLEM?? I'm not spending 2500 € on this job without any warranty. Car has 110 000km now
If it's caught in time it will be fine, it's when they are left until last min or maybe put off by the repair cost, what happens is that the chain stretches and the tensioner is pushed beyond it's limits and ends up taking the guides out as well... This car was left a little to late but no to late that there was no damage done
Big job that 😮 How much would parts and labour cost mate? There's one insignia for sale with the same problem, rattling timing chain. Same engine 1.6 cdti 2017 year
Thanks I m in London I thought you’re closer.Good job anyway really bad design there,why would you position the chain on that side of engine…I think my Vauxhall is gonna be the first and last one that I’m gonna have.Thanks again
@@allthingsadventurous6568 it's just a poor design of the tensioner which allows the chain to flap about and stretch however a new tensioner is upgraded
Pozdrav, imam insigniu 2017 sa 1.6 motorom. Zamjenio sam lanac kupio sam orginal set. Kad sam to zamjenio sad imam cudan zvuk motora kao zvizdanje??? Zvuk slican turbini
Jesi zamijenio zupčanike? Pootovo je bitan onaj manji, koji je ujedno i dvostruki, fazni zupčanik. Kladim se da nisi njega mijenjao i zato ti sad zviždi
@bazmeredith yes did a crank sensor learn but no joy , when new chain went on had all the timing marks and coloured links matched up even loosened slotted inlet cam sprocket slotted bolts before letting tensioner go
The problem is in the chain tensioner, which does not throw enough oil on the chain itself and the guide. They solved it by coming up with a seal that prevents the oil from leaking to the bottom of the engine. But I don't understand why they didn't redesigned the tensioner itself with a hole in it that would allow the oil pump to build up pressure and spray the chain through that hole? There is a video on YT of 2 Ukrainians how they solved it permanently, not some temporary solution with gasket and the problem comes back in a couple of days?
Yeah GM North America has not and will not address this issue in US or Canada. If you can toss the link up to the Ukrainians permanent solution that would be sick.
Definitely do the oil pump chain while you have it down,i bought an isignia which had chain done and oil pump chain failed later which I have been told is a common fault,stupid not to change 👍🏻
seeing this amount of work i want to sell my astra j st with b16dth immediately 180k km, and only needed a new turbo so far... But luck can run out quickly and this job looks like 4k+ €
Love a baz man video at 5am gives me some push to go to work!!
Great video, I have a 2018 Insignia B with this engine and have the dreaded rattle every now and again on startup.
It’s on finance which is at the half way point at the end of the year so I am either going to move it on or will hit you up if I decide to keep it, have kept the oil changes very regular since I have had it.
so many cars ahve differant timing chains or belts the only way you would know is resarch them loving your content Baz
Cheers buddy 🤙
Useful tip to wind in the hex shaft to free off the top timing cover. IMPORTANTLY there is a m8 tapping on the opposite end, it is does not go through into the housing. Wind in a bolt and it pushes that end out as well. Without it there is a high risk of flexing the cover and cracking it....
Neat job! Do u recommend a certain brand for chain? my local garage suggests I get him FEBI BILSTEIN or FAI, any suggestions?
Your video confirmed that if I order the tensioner from Europe, I would get the included gasket. These engines are in Chevy Equinox's in North America. The gasket or updated tensioner with gasket does not exist here and my GM dealer says "that rattle is normal", even though it sounds like I am shaking a jar full of marbles at startup. To save my car, I am paying out of pocket (7 hrs labour, $500CAD in parts, I am supplying the gasket and tensioner) for the tensioner gasket to be installed for a 2019 that is still under powertrain warranty (90,000kms).
It's a stupid design. Not much of a job to replace the tensioner with the gasket, personally they should have recalled it.
What was the milage on the car? Also do you know how frequently the oil was changed?
I will agree on the fact that its not a nice job, ive done it myself and have a video on my channel. Its interesting they seem to have updated a few things on the later engines, for one being the o rings on the timing cover, not silicone. Experience now tells me that over regular oil changes are a must, with 6-8k mile oil changes on ours, its now over 180k miles and still going strong.
I'm a firm believer of early oil changes
Hi baz, good to see professional workmanship. Wish you were local to me. Just had main rattle like hell the other nite then got warning "oil pressure low switch engine off" lucky i was only 200yards from home switched off engine immediately and rolled down hill into driveway. Told by Vauxhall £160 to diagnose fault. Been told by another garage sometime parts off the tensioner breaks off and block oil pump pick up. Any suggestions would be helpful and price to replace chain. Thks
Sump off would be by first shout and see what's going on
I put in my insignia that gasket with new tensioner 2 years ago.. Start rattle again but little less more noise..
How long did it take u to do the job ?
Is that Crank Position Sensor changeable with the gearbox on? Tell me it is...
Where's your garage located??
What is part number for upgraded gasket??
Thanks !
I cant found it 😢
Mate what brand engine crane is that you have
Hello baz,I believe this is the infamous tensioner chain rattle 1.6 cdti from opel?
We have the same engine but in a astra k.
Bought it second hand with 20 000km on it.
Started to rattle shortly after, couple of months. Since then not only rattles on start-up but also while driving. At certain rpm its like stones on the engine.
I agree that the oil flows back when standstill. But while running oil pressure should be constant?
I believe there are many 1.6cdti in UK.
How common is this issue?
Is everything solved with the magic gasket. I read on many forums after a while it rattles again even with that gasket?
Should have recalled this I think from opel. But no garage, dealer of even opel Belgium want to help me with this issue. I wrote letters to the main dealer here but only want to replace the whole timing at my own expense WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY IT'S SOLVES THE PROBLEM??
I'm not spending 2500 € on this job without any warranty. Car has 110 000km now
If it's caught in time it will be fine, it's when they are left until last min or maybe put off by the repair cost, what happens is that the chain stretches and the tensioner is pushed beyond it's limits and ends up taking the guides out as well... This car was left a little to late but no to late that there was no damage done
Big job that 😮 How much would parts and labour cost mate? There's one insignia for sale with the same problem, rattling timing chain. Same engine 1.6 cdti 2017 year
A reply would be helpful
how much did this job cost the customer?
Great job what’s the total cost of having something like this on a Vauxhall Insignia grand sport 2017 1.6 diesel? Thanks
£1200-1300 ish
Thanks where are you based?
@@octavcotet8832 near Wrexham
Thanks I m in London I thought you’re closer.Good job anyway really bad design there,why would you position the chain on that side of engine…I think my Vauxhall is gonna be the first and last one that I’m gonna have.Thanks again
Superb video. What can you tell me about 0w 20 oil. Doesnt this prevent premature chain failure? Thanks for your time
Nothing stops chain wear it's a serviceable item and will eventually need replacing
@bazmeredith you're right nothing stops it, but surely there are preventative measures. 59k for a new chain? Is this normal?
@@allthingsadventurous6568 it's just a poor design of the tensioner which allows the chain to flap about and stretch however a new tensioner is upgraded
Pozdrav, imam insigniu 2017 sa 1.6 motorom. Zamjenio sam lanac kupio sam orginal set. Kad sam to zamjenio sad imam cudan zvuk motora kao zvizdanje??? Zvuk slican turbini
Jesi zamijenio zupčanike? Pootovo je bitan onaj manji, koji je ujedno i dvostruki, fazni zupčanik. Kladim se da nisi njega mijenjao i zato ti sad zviždi
Da li treba mijenjati i zupcanik od pumpe visokog pritiska?
Have you ever had one that has cam/crank synchronisation code after fitting a chain ? 😢
You need to relearn it, and if your getting that code it's either timing is out or faulty sensor
@bazmeredith yes did a crank sensor learn but no joy , when new chain went on had all the timing marks and coloured links matched up even loosened slotted inlet cam sprocket slotted bolts before letting tensioner go
@@paulwoodburn4474 thats strange that is, does it run lumpy ???
@bazmeredith no it starts up and runs fine , just puts service vehicle now on dash then when code checked p0016
You can send me torque settings?
Had it done many miles?
59k
🤔
The problem is in the chain tensioner, which does not throw enough oil on the chain itself and the guide. They solved it by coming up with a seal that prevents the oil from leaking to the bottom of the engine. But I don't understand why they didn't redesigned the tensioner itself with a hole in it that would allow the oil pump to build up pressure and spray the chain through that hole? There is a video on YT of 2 Ukrainians how they solved it permanently, not some temporary solution with gasket and the problem comes back in a couple of days?
Thanks for your comment! 👌Do you have the YT-Link to the Ukrainians?
czcams.com/video/l3YCxOVnWqM/video.html&lc=UgxLb-elovzIwp5cTfZ4AaABAg.A-HYzIbXNBrA-JLHgvXKkF@@DK_Skand
Yeah GM North America has not and will not address this issue in US or Canada. If you can toss the link up to the Ukrainians permanent solution that would be sick.
Name of te video is: Astra K, J и другие. Устранение шума цепи двигателя В16DTH @@DK_Skand
Astra K, J и другие. Устранение шума цепи двигателя В16DTH thats the name od the video, try that way@@jacsigg11
i must admit i personally also replace the oil pump chain as ive had the oil pump chain break on these. tbh theyre just a garbage engine.
i agree on the pump chain, but not the comment on the engine, i have 180k on ours now and its been faultless since the chain.
Definitely do the oil pump chain while you have it down,i bought an isignia which had chain done and oil pump chain failed later which I have been told is a common fault,stupid not to change 👍🏻
How much it cost this operation?
Roughly £1300 to £1500
That looks ridiculous design having to take out gearbox , flywheel , egrs why chain not on otherside
Not designed to be replaced for the life of the car!
Great workmanship but what a ball ache of a job!
What an absolutely crap design 😂😂 Great job but my god why that design.
Dont buy this car!
Why not
seeing this amount of work i want to sell my astra j st with b16dth immediately
180k km, and only needed a new turbo so far... But luck can run out quickly and this job looks like 4k+ €