They don't rattle if you do the mileage. Mine used to rattle when I first got it during lockdown 1 4000 mls a year but back to 15000 mls a year now not heard it since.
@byronwilson6036 Really from what I've seen its a very common fault on the 1.6 cdti in all vauxhalls timing chain rattle even at quite low mileages having to replace chains
personally, after changing the control, I installed the gasket without removing the valve cover. unfortunately, the seal was not yet available when the control was replaced. That's why it happened afterwards
great video love the insider info on the chain tensioner they are buggers manufacturers we have a vauxhall grandland x and are looking to see if any recalls on them
I have Mokka X from 2018, 1.6 CDTI. How do i know if it also suffers from this problem? At which point in time Vauxhall fixed it (or they didn't)? I'd also like to know if Vauxhall made a new version of tensioner or i can just use the old one with a gasket? Thx.
Great content Phil. Vauxhall has always amazed me, been known for chain rattles since Corsa B and beyond. How many car variations does a company need to try learn & get rid of a negative label lol
Here is a good trick for all Vauxhall diesel owners with a dpf. Or most diesel cars. The dpf when in a regen triggers the door mirrors and tailgate glass to to demist/heat up. I know it sounds odd but trust me it does. You can add a £1 led diode into the door mirror plug within the speaker cover and the led will light up so you know the car is regening, which you should NEVER stop on these ever. Just to add 99% of all diesel cars do the same, next time your car is regening put you hand on the outside door mirror and you will feel it heat up, it's coded into the ECU, trust me 😁
@@scotspie501douglas7 check your glow plugs, sometimes when the glow plug/s fail the stop start won't work. But I wouldn't drive too long with faulty glow plugs no matter what anyone says, the car won't regen if these ain't working and then this causes further probs. But also check the new ECU.
Hi Phil, sorry to be picky, but it's brake fluid, not oil. Whilst they may seem similar, oil and standard dot4 brake fluid are chemically massively different. Some inexperienced viewers might be misled into thinking that they can top up their brake reservoir with oil, with potentially disastrous results!
Bloody hell 😯 big job just to change the tensioner. GM engineers lolz. If it's rattling constantly, must we change the timing chain as well mate? It's gearbox out job 😢
I have a 2016 Astra with the 1.6 tdi engine with a cold start rattle but it does sometimes continue for 5-10 seconds, does this suggest an issue with the chain rather than just the tensioner. The car has 53,000 miles on the clock and I have owned it for all but 10 months since registration- the rattle has just become noticeable in the last couple of months, car is serviced annually-thanks
Pity because newer Vauxhalls are lovely, but people treat them like trash and with some of their more questionable engineering decisions nowadays they will mostly be knackered after about 8-9 years
@hamstirrer6882 If you thought the gm engines was bad they are made even worse with the 1.2 peugeot engine with the stupid wetbelt many failures at even as low as 30 40k it's such a dumb design and idk why they don't change to chain already and just charge a bit extra if it's to save cost
If the pads have plenty left on them, i find a nice flat paving slab and give em a sand down on it. Basically it refaces them for the new discs. Works perfectly.
Good job phil a feel sick thinking about a timing job tho pleased seen this cos its a ""NO"" from me tho never asked to do one on these tensioner yes timing kit ahahahaa "NOPE"" cheers phol great job hope mini aint suffered to much think you too bin thru enough together bit see if we can turn.it into a (""MINI ADVENTURE"") thanks for your time👍
Hi mate I've got this problem ,but no one local to me wants to touch it ,quoting silly money to do the chain and everything associated with it ,I'm quite handy is it something I could do myself your advice would be much appreciated
Great video, I'm going to do the gasket mod on my astra k diesel but can't find any torque settings for the injector clamps , I don't suppose you have them please 😇
I have an insignia that also has the strart up rattle, been told to replace the entire chain etc at a hefty cost. The cars on 30k with full service history, surely that's not needed? It only rattles briefly on a cold start then within a second is fine and runs without any rattles what so ever. Surely I just need the tensioner fix?
Hi mate, how old is your Insignia? Mine is a 2018, 48k, and sometimes has the start up rattle. Funnily enough for six months the noise went away!! At worst last summer on a handful of occasions did I hear the rattle when going along. I've also been told by two garages it could be the chain, main dealer repair only, 13 hour job!!
@@grahamroe8299 yes mine comes and goes too on start up but I've never heard it whilst driving luckily. I have been told if it does whilst driving then yes unfortunately the lot needs doing as its stretched but on a 2018 model with such low milage, that's insane. Mines a 2016 1.6 cdti Sri nav on 34k. It's all to do with the oil pressure not creating tension on the chain due to a poor designed tensioner that needs a gasket putting behind it. I'm trying to find a garage to do it but they all want to replace the lot which surely isn't necessary and as you say it's a 13 hour engine out job, imagine the bill!!!
@@paddrivers tip for anyone with swelled o rings. If you cut them in half (length wise - so it still a circle) it will give you that breathing room so that it works as it should before the swell.
Hi Phill I have a 16 plate automatic and when I start it up from cold it makes a rattle could you fix it mate? Thank you for Your time I live in Leeds 12. Its only done 54.000 miles
My car started very similar with the brief rattle on startup, but now it has gotten really quite bad and the chain constantly rattles, does that then require the same fix as you have done on this car or is it more serious
Got a rattle on a Astra 1.4 excite petrol 2014 on a cold startup, also a rattle as releasing the clutch all this goes when warmed up, comes up with a P00017 code, would you advice a diagnostic and go from there? any advice appreciated
Has that Mokka got the Electric park brake,if so is there any thing that need to be done to parking brake,eg computer to set parking brake,or any kind of service mode,as I have a insignia with electric parking brake,
yet most of us have done so at some point. Or propped the caliper on top of the hub, to then see it fall off as you go get another spanner from the box.
As far as i'm aware there isn't an interval for them, supposed to last life time of vehicle.... just listen out for any rattles, all you can do really!
hey man...quick question about the insignia, is that the same as the mokka and chain run too? great content btw, it surprising how rusty and damage the brakes look after so many years of use and neglect.
Good video.i have astra k 2016 1.6cdti (b16) Mine has changed chain with gasket 2y a go. Everything runs smooth no rattle at all even in cold weather after 1 year i changed oil for5w30 dexos 2 and rattle came back right after change oil next day and i drove next year with rattle sometimes and after 1y i changed oil and i find out that oil should be 0w20 so i changed and done engine flush but is still rattle there. So i am totaly lost now. Any help? When is warm weather no rattle at all.
I didn't lock anything up, not sure I even put cans to tdc , if have to watch it back and look but pritty sure just held tension on chain when removing tensioner.
All good but I don't think using incorrect terminology for items is going to help anyone just starting out. Caliper piston boot Pad shims Didn't hear anything about sizing the pads or cleaning the sliders before re-greasing. Nor did you mention that the pad seats must be lubricated also. These things are pretty important in order to stop the problems that the old brakes clearly had, happening again.
Unfortunately one of the three chain guides has broken up and the chain is running on backing plate. This will eat away the steel and eventually break up. You need the chain and guides renewed asap
I see my comment about not using copper slip has been removed. Did it offend you? Others have also mentioned it and their comments are still there. Was it deleted because I also included a link that backed up not using copper slip?
I have only just say this video. Oil pressure issue is well known on the 2.0 cdti and this one. Usually 100% it's the o ring within the oiil sump pick up. Cause the warning oil pressure low. I wouldn't run it until this part is changed. Many a Vauxhall engine has been wrecked by this ridiculous problem Vauxhall should have sorted. The crank gear is another major issue. The oil pressure is caused by the o ring and the crank gear fails.
To change the oil sump is easy enough if you have the correct block as Vauxhall revised access to the sump bolts, otherwise you have to drill a section to get the sump off otherwise it's a gear ox drop. This oil pick o ring is very very common. Anyone having Ng a low oil pressure issue needs to sort it asap, or engine WILL fail 100%
@@leemclaughlin3927 I wouldn't count on it. Maybe a slightly different engine but I have seen the same issue. After all it's Vauxhall were speaking about here. This should not be happening on cars nowadays absolute joke. Vauxhall are notorious for these issues. All diesels suffer, dpf failure prematurely, egr cooler leaks, crank gear failure, prem water pump failure, turbo intercooler pipe failure, dual mass flywheel failure, squeaking pedals, badges fall off, rear boot release fails, rear springs snap and shox, abs sensors failure, also have issues with chewing batteries loads more tbs and this is on low mile cars. Don't trust Vauxhall.
Its not a gasket Phil, its a one way flow valve. Too many cut scenes mate, i would go back to basics mate and time-lapse at least we see something happening rather than seeing parts after they have been taken off. You are losing me as a viewer and subscriber mate
Opel cheats and scams original tensioner failure, mine Mokka 1.3 cdti 1600 automatic 2016 87000 km. €2600 all distribution, Nadir should buy Opel, everyone to complain to Opel
Amazing video , shows how the lack of a small gasket fitted by factory can cause this issue , well done for the info. 5 stars
Great work on the timing chain that puts me off having a Vauxhall with that engine but that’s a lovely mokka now
They don't rattle if you do the mileage. Mine used to rattle when I first got it during lockdown 1 4000 mls a year but back to 15000 mls a year now not heard it since.
@byronwilson6036 Really from what I've seen its a very common fault on the 1.6 cdti in all vauxhalls timing chain rattle even at quite low mileages having to replace chains
Another one done personally I always clean the hub mating surfaces where they meet the back of the discs that way avoid any brake disortion!
personally, after changing the control, I installed the gasket without removing the valve cover. unfortunately, the seal was not yet available when the control was replaced. That's why it happened afterwards
great video love the insider info on the chain tensioner they are buggers manufacturers we have a vauxhall grandland x and are looking to see if any recalls on them
Interesting about the chain tensioner fix, heard about those engines
I have Mokka X from 2018, 1.6 CDTI. How do i know if it also suffers from this problem? At which point in time Vauxhall fixed it (or they didn't)? I'd also like to know if Vauxhall made a new version of tensioner or i can just use the old one with a gasket? Thx.
Nice work phil👍👌😀
Job well done Phil, hope the damage on the Mini isn’t too bad. You need a tool trolley Phil, easier than the floor 😆
Great work Phil, this car is as near perfect as posible now😊.
Hi Phil. Great video mate. The chain tensioner problem. Is it a pricey fix. I'm told the engine has to be dropped. Tia
Great content Phil. Vauxhall has always amazed me, been known for chain rattles since Corsa B and beyond. How many car variations does a company need to try learn & get rid of a negative label lol
It is not necessary to remove the engine to repair the chain tensioner ? My dealers opel say that the engine needs to be removed.
Here is a good trick for all Vauxhall diesel owners with a dpf. Or most diesel cars.
The dpf when in a regen triggers the door mirrors and tailgate glass to to demist/heat up. I know it sounds odd but trust me it does. You can add a £1 led diode into the door mirror plug within the speaker cover and the led will light up so you know the car is regening, which you should NEVER stop on these ever. Just to add 99% of all diesel cars do the same, next time your car is regening put you hand on the outside door mirror and you will feel it heat up, it's coded into the ECU, trust me 😁
great post ,I have a nissan qhaskai and i,ve just had a ecu fitted and now my stop start does,nt work
@@scotspie501douglas7 check your glow plugs, sometimes when the glow plug/s fail the stop start won't work. But I wouldn't drive too long with faulty glow plugs no matter what anyone says, the car won't regen if these ain't working and then this causes further probs. But also check the new ECU.
@@davidhenderson7433 I know nothing about cars only the odd bits I get off guys like you , and what I get I share with others
Hi Phil, sorry to be picky, but it's brake fluid, not oil. Whilst they may seem similar, oil and standard dot4 brake fluid are chemically massively different. Some inexperienced viewers might be misled into thinking that they can top up their brake reservoir with oil, with potentially disastrous results!
Really enjoyed that. All that work for a tiny part
Phil I was always told not too use copper grease on moving parts
Can't believe such a big job to put in a poxy gasket!!! peace of mind for the new owner though.
Great video as always 👍🏻
Bloody hell 😯 big job just to change the tensioner. GM engineers lolz. If it's rattling constantly, must we change the timing chain as well mate? It's gearbox out job 😢
I have a 2016 Astra with the 1.6 tdi engine with a cold start rattle but it does sometimes continue for 5-10 seconds, does this suggest an issue with the chain rather than just the tensioner. The car has 53,000 miles on the clock and I have owned it for all but 10 months since registration- the rattle has just become noticeable in the last couple of months, car is serviced annually-thanks
Good job Phil a nice car for someone
Pity because newer Vauxhalls are lovely, but people treat them like trash and with some of their more questionable engineering decisions nowadays they will mostly be knackered after about 8-9 years
@hamstirrer6882 If you thought the gm engines was bad they are made even worse with the 1.2 peugeot engine with the stupid wetbelt many failures at even as low as 30 40k it's such a dumb design and idk why they don't change to chain already and just charge a bit extra if it's to save cost
Great video Phil a great car for someone, thanks
If the pads have plenty left on them, i find a nice flat paving slab and give em a sand down on it. Basically it refaces them for the new discs. Works perfectly.
😂
precision lol
Great video mate 👌
Yet another master class great video
Great video enjoyed it very much keep it coming
Good job phil a feel sick thinking about a timing job tho pleased seen this cos its a ""NO"" from me tho never asked to do one on these tensioner yes timing kit ahahahaa "NOPE"" cheers phol great job hope mini aint suffered to much think you too bin thru enough together bit see if we can turn.it into a (""MINI ADVENTURE"") thanks for your time👍
Really, you should have checked the basics like bulbs, wipers etc before mot.
Might be better to get a fail, so you can then correct it and do the advisories at the same time to get a clean MOT for resale 👍
Hi mate I've got this problem ,but no one local to me wants to touch it ,quoting silly money to do the chain and everything associated with it ,I'm quite handy is it something I could do myself your advice would be much appreciated
Great job 👏
That chain rattle is on the petrol engines also, it’s common as muck on vauxhall.
Great video, I'm going to do the gasket mod on my astra k diesel but can't find any torque settings for the injector clamps , I don't suppose you have them please 😇
Nice one Phil 🍻👍🏻
where did you get the instructions you have? I want to do it also maybe will help me the instructions also.
Autodata 👍
I have an insignia that also has the strart up rattle, been told to replace the entire chain etc at a hefty cost. The cars on 30k with full service history, surely that's not needed? It only rattles briefly on a cold start then within a second is fine and runs without any rattles what so ever. Surely I just need the tensioner fix?
Hi mate, how old is your Insignia? Mine is a 2018, 48k, and sometimes has the start up rattle. Funnily enough for six months the noise went away!! At worst last summer on a handful of occasions did I hear the rattle when going along. I've also been told by two garages it could be the chain, main dealer repair only, 13 hour job!!
@@grahamroe8299 yes mine comes and goes too on start up but I've never heard it whilst driving luckily. I have been told if it does whilst driving then yes unfortunately the lot needs doing as its stretched but on a 2018 model with such low milage, that's insane. Mines a 2016 1.6 cdti Sri nav on 34k. It's all to do with the oil pressure not creating tension on the chain due to a poor designed tensioner that needs a gasket putting behind it. I'm trying to find a garage to do it but they all want to replace the lot which surely isn't necessary and as you say it's a 13 hour engine out job, imagine the bill!!!
If you haven't sorted this by now, then check out Vauxworks in Tonbridge
@@grahamroe8299how much did they charge for the job please Graham?
Think it was about £700 mate
Don't use copper grease on brake sliders
It goes hard in time
Use Ceramic grease its stays soft and not affected by heat.
Ive had that issue in the past copper grease swelled the O ring on the slider pin....I only use ceramic grease on brake jobs now.
Yeah, Ceratec or similar on the sliders
@@paddrivers tip for anyone with swelled o rings. If you cut them in half (length wise - so it still a circle) it will give you that breathing room so that it works as it should before the swell.
I use red rubber grease on mine
weird - ive used copper slip on brakes for years and usually keep my cars for decades -never had an issue using it
Phil, get yourself a parts trolley mate. No bits or tools all over the floor anymore.
Please don’t leave callipers dangling like that by the pipe not very safe putting strain on the pipe 👍
wow wouldnt have thought a 15 plate Mokka would have these problems,must be high mileage
Nah just shite Vauxhall engines
Hi Phill I have a 16 plate automatic and when I start it up from cold it makes a rattle could you fix it mate? Thank you for Your time I live in Leeds 12. Its only done 54.000 miles
Hi Phill great video whats the story on the mini and audi you never did say ?
My car started very similar with the brief rattle on startup, but now it has gotten really quite bad and the chain constantly rattles, does that then require the same fix as you have done on this car or is it more serious
If it's constant rattle either your chain has stretched or oil isnt getting to the tensioner to tighten it... Either way get it checked out asap !
Got a rattle on a Astra 1.4 excite petrol 2014 on a cold startup, also a rattle as releasing the clutch all this goes when warmed up, comes up with a P00017 code, would you advice a diagnostic and go from there? any advice appreciated
Has that Mokka got the Electric park brake,if so is there any thing that need to be done to parking brake,eg computer to set parking brake,or any kind of service mode,as I have a insignia with electric parking brake,
Good job Phil but can we see a little more of you actually spannering rather than just shots of the finished article??
What does he need, some sort of tripod to put his camera on so he can have hands free 🤔
Do you undertake repairs as out Astra K CDTI has the start up rattle?
Goes away if you restart the engine.
Cheers
Bad idea to let the caliper hang with the flexible brake hose .
yet most of us have done so at some point. Or propped the caliper on top of the hub, to then see it fall off as you go get another spanner from the box.
Does a 2016 Vauxhall Mokka 1.6 CDTi Exclusiv need its timing chain replaced regular intervals ?
As far as i'm aware there isn't an interval for them, supposed to last life time of vehicle.... just listen out for any rattles, all you can do really!
@@SeriousAboutSalvage Thank you. That's great to know. Happy New Year! 👍
i have the same enegine on my insigna and haveing same problem do you need to seal that cover with selent or a gasgit ?
Not cleaning the hubs before new rotor?
And that can create a low oil pressure sign ?
hey man...quick question about the insignia, is that the same as the mokka and chain run too? great content btw, it surprising how rusty and damage the brakes look after so many years of use and neglect.
Insignia is probably a belt rather than a chain
yeah later insignias got the same B16DT 1.6 diesel option thats fitted to mokka ,astra ,zafira which has a chain ,the 2.0cdti's have belt
Good video.i have astra k 2016 1.6cdti (b16) Mine has changed chain with gasket 2y a go. Everything runs smooth no rattle at all even in cold weather after 1 year i changed oil for5w30 dexos 2 and rattle came back right after change oil next day and i drove next year with rattle sometimes and after 1y i changed oil and i find out that oil should be 0w20 so i changed and done engine flush but is still rattle there. So i am totaly lost now. Any help? When is warm weather no rattle at all.
How much km ?
Hello bro got this problem with my vauxhall mokka don't know if you can help
Did you need to lock the cams when doing this job?? Or did you just set engine at TDC so there’s no chance of cams moving ?? Thanks
I didn't lock anything up, not sure I even put cans to tdc , if have to watch it back and look but pritty sure just held tension on chain when removing tensioner.
@@SeriousAboutSalvagebrilliant thanks bud. 👍 great work btw.
Not copper grease on sliding pins, use brake caliper grease.
All good but I don't think using incorrect terminology for items is going to help anyone just starting out.
Caliper piston boot
Pad shims
Didn't hear anything about sizing the pads or cleaning the sliders before re-greasing. Nor did you mention that the pad seats must be lubricated also. These things are pretty important in order to stop the problems that the old brakes clearly had, happening again.
Ahhh, I have an insignia with this engine & problem.
How would I find a garage willing to do this mod?
Hello there mate how much you charge to do the same to a astra 2016 elite 1.6
Where are you based? I really need someone for this job! Thanks
How do u know if its a chain engine out job?
You really shouldn't have to worry about the timing chain in a car of that age.
They're designed to fail.
Been watching your channel on the old Corsa VX are but it stops at number six where is the rest the content to finish it
Unfortunately I had to break out for spares mate, couldn't get any afl's for it at the time.
Is the Kia still for sale, how much pls?
Hello Phil did you sell the RS5 at copart?
Hi , yes the car went. I will update on a video some time soon 👍
Mine rattles for 5 mins any advice thanks
Unfortunately one of the three chain guides has broken up and the chain is running on backing plate. This will eat away the steel and eventually break up. You need the chain and guides renewed asap
Keep still
What sort of price does this cost?
I see my comment about not using copper slip has been removed. Did it offend you? Others have also mentioned it and their comments are still there. Was it deleted because I also included a link that backed up not using copper slip?
I haven't deleted your message mate, I presume if there was a link in it it has either been flagged as spam by CZcams or they deleted it
@@SeriousAboutSalvage that'll probably be it then. Them damn interfering auto botts.
ive used copper slip for decades on cars ive kept for decades and never had an issue-il continue to use it as it works for me 👍
@@leemclaughlin3927 same lee
Just amazing how crap they make these modern motors now.
where is your garage located?
Hello mate 👍
Dust cover not fluid seal
Copper grease onto rubber brake components don't work, it makes them swell
Did they upgraded this in later models?
no vx refused to admit any issues and continued same design
How long did it take to do the gasket altogether?
I think it was about 4 to 5 hours mate if I remember correctly
Cheers ! Did you turn the engine to pin it up if so how did you turn it ? Thanks
@@johncleary6918 I didn't mate, just left it as it sat
Looking through a few video would it not be possible to do the job without removing the rocker cove just loosing the bolts to the right of it 🤔
@@johncleary6918 tbh bud, it was that long ago I don't properly remember now 😁only way to tell is yet it
I have only just say this video. Oil pressure issue is well known on the 2.0 cdti and this one. Usually 100% it's the o ring within the oiil sump pick up. Cause the warning oil pressure low. I wouldn't run it until this part is changed. Many a Vauxhall engine has been wrecked by this ridiculous problem Vauxhall should have sorted. The crank gear is another major issue. The oil pressure is caused by the o ring and the crank gear fails.
To change the oil sump is easy enough if you have the correct block as Vauxhall revised access to the sump bolts, otherwise you have to drill a section to get the sump off otherwise it's a gear ox drop. This oil pick o ring is very very common. Anyone having Ng a low oil pressure issue needs to sort it asap, or engine WILL fail 100%
this isn't the 2.0cdti this is the 1.6 diesel, totally different unit and doesnt suffer with the oil seal pick up seal issue 👍
@@leemclaughlin3927 I wouldn't count on it. Maybe a slightly different engine but I have seen the same issue. After all it's Vauxhall were speaking about here. This should not be happening on cars nowadays absolute joke. Vauxhall are notorious for these issues. All diesels suffer, dpf failure prematurely, egr cooler leaks, crank gear failure, prem water pump failure, turbo intercooler pipe failure, dual mass flywheel failure, squeaking pedals, badges fall off, rear boot release fails, rear springs snap and shox, abs sensors failure, also have issues with chewing batteries loads more tbs and this is on low mile cars. Don't trust Vauxhall.
@@davidhenderson7433 its a bolted on pick up pipe like the vectras had
@@leemclaughlin3927 yup, as much as I like Vauxhall I hate them even more
hi Where are you based ?
Phil you need a parts trolley instead of putting everything on the floor.
Your not showing the actual repair in any of your video’s
calipers n discs are like fossils arnt they,been parked in the sea
Looking at the reg it's a Scottish car so say no more. Lived in salt all its life most probably
Hi Phil
Do you have the parts numbers for the bits you bought from Vauxhall?
Cheers
55515025 is part no for the gasket
@@leemclaughlin3927 I have the 1.6 cdti zafira tourer, do you think that the gasket will fit?
@@ilsonemo yep same B16DT engine
how about the egr and copper gasket part no. phil? more power to your channel enjoying your channel. thanks
Not much happening. To much cutting in here and there. Showed a lot more before Xmas in your videos. Not for me.
Its not a gasket Phil, its a one way flow valve. Too many cut scenes mate, i would go back to basics mate and time-lapse at least we see something happening rather than seeing parts after they have been taken off. You are losing me as a viewer and subscriber mate
it is a gasket-if you go to Vauxhall/buy one online it states on the label 'Gasket' the part no is 55515025 👍
Always worries me when I see a Mechanic with a Claw hammer in his tool kit or on a Job lol .
Haha, I don't pretend to be a mechanic so all is good 😄
Opel cheats and scams original tensioner failure, mine Mokka 1.3 cdti 1600 automatic 2016 87000 km. €2600 all distribution, Nadir should buy Opel, everyone to complain to Opel
Another heap of pure shite from vauxhall .