Inside Chris Farley’s Lost Version of Shrek
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- Taking a look at the original version of Shrek starring Chris Farley.
0:00 Intro
0:35 Steven Spielberg
1:13 Original Dark Tone
1:45 Shrek Test Footage
2:33 Original Story
3:20 Chris Farley
5:08 Production Problems
6:26 Mike Myers
7:37 Princess Fiona
8:09 What Could Have Been?
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Fun fact: The song “All Star” was only a placeholder for test screenings until a new song could be found. But test audiences loved it, and the producers kept it in.
The ""All Star" song at first made me perceive Shrek as some sort of basketball player, just green.
@@digimaksWere you high on something? I am pooping right now
Despite the song’s strong association with Shrek, it was actually written as a tie-in with Mystery Men (1999). Which was, to put it gently, a monumental failure.
I helped build the Harry Potter ride at Universal Studios Hollywood. It was located right next to the Shrek attraction. I had to listen to that crappy song for 8 to 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for a year str8. On repeat. Fuk that song.
The Smashing pumpkins were set to write the song for Shrek originally. The song Billy wrote is called Untitled. It's on the compilation record Rotten Apples.
Katzenberg: I want this dark and edgy.
Also Katzenberg: This is dark and edgy. You're all fired.
Great point
😅
If I were hired by him and I did what he told me to do only for him to say 'I don't like it', I'd tell him to stick up up his ass and quit.
Seriously, the guy's a prick.
To be fair, sometimes you have to execute an idea before you get why it's bad, that's kind of the point of doing test animation in the first place. Perhaps his vision was more kid friendly than even he himself realised and it took seeing what other people made of it to recognize why it wouldn't work. Also it may seem harsh to fire them, but I doubt it was malicious, he likely just wanted a team that would be specialized in making a kid friendly version rather than getting people he hired to do a dark and edgy version and instead force them to make it kid friendly.
Apparently he wanted the film to be more R Rated
Fun Fact: Mike Myers got a letter from Steven Spielberg thanking him for caring so much about Shrek and saving the project also William Seig was concerned that Sherk was gonna be Disneyfied even regretting selling the rights but when he saw the movie he was relieved and loved the adaption of his book
Sherk
While it's good that Steig enjoyed the film before his death, I wonder how he would've felt if Farley actyally got help and actually voice play Shrek in the final cut.
"yeah baby"
-austin powers
I prefer the version we got but wish I could see the Farley version. I like how Shrek turned in to almost an anti Disney movie with how it handled fairy tales and expectations for it.
Not really it more turned into a disney movie with anti disney jokes in it as part of the fun but i think i would have like the artstyle and story of farley version better. A bit dark. I dont like the scottish voice as well
@@BroodjeBal-tc3cjDisney is terrible now. We need all the competitors against Disney as possible.
@@Number4leadwe needed competitors for Disney since the 80’s, but Disney being Disney has always tried to silence or stop potential competitors from coming to fruition, one example being: Filmation.
Wow, this story should have its own documentary/mini series complete with the cast and production interviews.
To go from development hell to nearly finished then your lead actor dieing right at the end to then save it and not only ends up a good movie but a cultural phenomenon and classic is amazing.
Great job, as always.
My favourite thing about Shrek is how it just absolutely refuses to die. When the original series began slipping into oblivion, suddenly it became a huge meme on the Internet, giving it a new lease on life, and when the meme was forgotten, Puss in Boots II came out, possibly the best film in the franchise.
Man, it's driving me nuts trying to remember where the hell I saw it, but there is one. I remember watching it, and it was really good, and now I don't remember where I saw it. Mightve just been youtube, or some streaming platform like Netflix or hulu or something, or just on cable somewhere. Can't remember now 🫤. If it pops in my head I'll try and come back and let you know where I saw it and what it was called
So apparently, youtube removed my other comment because I used the "H" word (rhymes with bell lol). So I'll try saying it again. It's driving me nuts trying to remember where I saw it, but there is a really good one I watched a while back. Can't remember where, though. Could've been just a youtuber who did a good one or on some streaming site like Netflix or hulu or something, or maybe on cable somewhere. Seriously, I wish I could remember, but I can't. Was a little bit tipsy when I saw it, iirc lol. If I remember, I'll try and remember to let you know where I saw it. But after commenting I spent some time trying to Google it and find it and had no luck, but did find this other one that you might enjoy. I'll post the link in another comment below in case YT decides to take it down (even though I found it on here 🫤)
czcams.com/video/TPpgosXR9NA/video.htmlsi=VEtu7qbtjvF-GRMv
I think they did remove it as soon as I posted it. Figures. Just google "Creating a Fairy Tale World: The Making of 'Shrek." Should find a copy of it posted on here in the results.
The fact this movie came out of nowhere and became the cultural phenomen it did was amazing, I must of watched this movie about a million times due to my oldest child always having it when he was little
There's even an original film copy in the national archives
I have nothing against Chris Farley, but the Shrek we got with Mike Myers was absolutely perfect
An I have nothing against Mike Myers, but the Shriek we got with Mike Myers was absolute trash.
@@elskeletor3566 ...said about 4 people world wide.
Troll.....
@@DrNothing23 More like Ogre not Troll.
@@elskeletor3566 what we got was an indelible classic and a billion dollar franchise.
Read between the lines: you hate Chris Farley and his perceived “talent”.
Too soon dude. Too soon.
a prime example of why not having a faithful adaption of the source material is sometimes for the best
Speaking of What Could Have Been, there’s a really interesting original version of Shrek 2 where he abdicates the throne and campaigns are made by Gingy and Pinocchio. I don’t think there’s enough info on it to make a video, but it would have been interesting to see
Lol that sounds insane
RIP 🙏 CHRIS FARLEY...
he was such a huge influence for me growing up i loved how he could make everyone laugh but was able to be vulnerable too...i was devastated when he died i was in middle school then and i still wonder now what it would be like if he was still here in movies like grown ups and so many others that he couldve been the lead in and wouldve been original...on hard days i still rely on his movies to cheer me up, Tommy Boy is my ho to ❤ Black sheep is great too & i love him in Billy Madison & Dirty Work he was so great in that small role " a siagon whore bite my nose off" 😂😂😊 classic
Same here! I was devastated when he passed. I was a huge fan.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters he was gone way too soon!
I always envisioned him being in a proper Jingle All The Way sequel. Portraying perhaps a security guard doing his signature scream right before being dogpiled by a bunch of kids , as the protagonist is desperate to find a gift for a child.
While the original version would’ve been interesting to see, the original as a childhood favorite so I’m happy with what we got. Sad about Chris Farley, I heard he was gonna play Fatty Arbuckle in a bio film written by David Mamet, that would’ve been really interesting to see.
It would have been great to see a good Arbuckle bio film, I think Chris could have payed the part well.
Great job. They should put together the original film and get his brother back now. He said he would do it now if asked. Missing media is so mysterious.
That would be awesome to see
I mean yeah. We are in the era of remakes and reboots. This could work as such. I'm so down for Farley's version.
I’m pretty sure he is now, look at the success of the film. Not saying he’s like that but you never know since we can’t read peoples minds
Shrek is a film near and dear my heart so I wouldn’t want to lose it, but the tragedy behind its productions makes me wish I could step into an alternate universe and see what would’ve happened if Chris Farley’s version was made. I truly hope in that world, he got the recognition he deserved
He is getting his recognition when CZcamsrs post vids like this. 👍
It's probably in the vault somewhere.
Other unrealized projects of Chris Farley
(due to his passing) included his role
as Atuk in a film version of Mordecai Richler's *"The Incomparable Atuk"*
(which would've also had Phil Hartman as the antagonist); Ignatius J. Reilly
in a film adaptation of John K. Toole's *"A Confederacy of Dunces";* a young male "height-fearing" Brachiosaurus named Sorbus in Disney's *"DINOSAUR"*
(his character was changed in the
final version as an elderly female
named Baylene); and his first serious acting role as the tragic silent-film comedian Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle in a biopic that was written by David Mamet.
Atuk is a video in itself. Some say the role is cursed as so many comedians have been cast for the role and then died. It's worth looking into. A film of Confederacy has also been called cursed as its been attempted and never started many times.
That would have been interesting to see.
HE WAS GONNA BE IN DINOSAUR??!
@@SaturationZ
Yes.
I love what the original author had to say about the finished film, "it's vulgar, it's digusting, and I love it!"
Wow! This was fantastic man!! You do such a great job on these. I would've never known all this stuff about the movie. My daughter was a toddler at the time this came out and she loved Shrek. So, naturally I took her to see all the films and sat with her to watch them all again when they came out on video. I can't see this franchise being as successful with Bill Murray, Nick Cage or even Farley. This to me, couldn't have worked without the vocal talents of Mike, Eddie and Cameron. Not to mention Lithgow as the villain.
Who'd have thought this potential disaster would become the cash cow and household name it is today? Now that I know this backstory, I'm amazed that it ever saw the light of day, being that it languished in development hell as long as it did. Thanks again for this background on this beloved movie.
Thank you for the kind words and for sharing how you came to see all of the movies. It reminded me of my mom taking me to see so many films as a kid. Trust me, your daughter will remember it when she’s older.
I miss Chris Farley. He was such a a great actor.
He was also so likeable. I miss him too.
Too bad he was a drug abused loser. Speedball killed him. Ruined any good cause to mention him ever to anyone
This is crazy just watching Shrek with friends last Friday and someone mentioned this about Chris Farley- now I've got the story!
I’m glad Bob Odenkirk and others have been vocal about that Chippendale’s sketch. I know the sketch writer Jim Downey ardently defends the sketch but I genuinely think it’s a mean spirited piece that no doubt contributed to harming Farley’s mental health. I would really love to see Farley’s lines all released one day. Thanks for the video, great stuff as always
I wonder if they could release a "Chris Farley" cut with a disclaimer that what you are watching is an unfinished film of what could have been with visuals as a bonus disc or would it cost too much to do that?
@@walker1984 They could always release the recordings as audio only.
@bl3343 Well, the Richard Donner cut of Super Man II was eventually released so it is possible. Not sure if there's enough outcry for it though
Wow, the character Shrek probably wouldve been alot different had Chris Farley lived long enough for his original lines to be completed. RIP
Granted the Shrek we ended up getting with Mike Myers is truly a classic.
hmmm, the Fiona alternate origin is a new thing I've learned from this video.
I see part of the whole locked in a tower thing and suppressing the info that their daughter is an ogre I feel like little detail kind of got spread into Shrek 2 and 4 as far as the King and Queen's reasons and what they did. The Witch potion thing was a different angle that i thought was kind of interesting as far as giving her day and night human forms.
I think i prefer what we got with Meyers and Diaz with the Shrek movies that were released in our timeline.
But I think I have some morbid curiosity to maybe see what a completed Farley and Garaffalo Shrek would've been like as far as style and tone. Seeing that test footage version that got leaked a while back was really creepy and a little nightmare inducing 😅. But I really wish there's some alternate timeline out there in the cosmos where Chris Farley's support network were able to help him with his addiction demons that were plaguing him back then to get the help he needed as well as fighting his body dysphoria (i think that might've been part of it, i might be labeling it wrong) and healing his pyche. And maybe see the movie as they were originally trying to make.
like you mentioned with Garaffalo being a little more sarcastic and cynical with her performances and comedy, I'm kind of curious what her Fiona would act and look like in both human and Ogre forms. I wonder if they had any character designs for that or some test footage that's around somewhere.
Also thank you for including the other works of the author who wrote the book version of Shrek. I saw the cover of the book, but have yet to have a chance to read the whole thing and see everything in it. The B-roll made me remember something. I have seen this author's stuff before. I think I read one of The Dr.DeSoto books as a kid. Thanks for the memory-blast.
I have been binging your channel lately and waiting for this video,thanks for a good start to the morning 🔥
Hope you enjoy!
It's incredible that you have so much info on What Could Have Been movies! I love it! I'm addicted to your channel! ❤️
Glad you like them!
Thanks I’ve always wanted to know the inside details on this
Rip Chris Farley 😢
I look forward to every Saturday for your videos. My new favorite channel! Keep it up brotha!
I feel like having Mike Myers play in place of Chris Farley was a really good move. Not only did they work on SNL together but they were both amazing, Chris Farley was hilarious, truly an amazing soul, i’m sure Mike had wanted to do this well for Chris.❤️ both amazing actors and comedians.
My girlfriend at the time talked me into going to see Shrek and I was like “why the fk would I go watch a cartoon at the theater” and wound up laughing my butt off the entire movie. It really was fantastic and a breath of fresh air. Had no idea the humor was gonna be up my alley by the movie posters.
Also, as much as I love Chris Farley, Shrek wouldn’t have had the staying power. Acting just wasn’t his forte. He was physical comedy. It takes a *very* different set of skills to be a voice actor.
And Janeane Garoffalo (sp?) as Fiona would have been annoying.
That would have been a LOT of heavy lifting for Eddie Murphy to carry the movie, which he might have been able to pull off *because* Donkey is so perfect, but I still don’t see the original having the staying power as it is now.
So you're saying that Garofollo could've been annoying for being too cynical and sarcastic?
Honestly I think alot of kids and maybe myself would have had nightmares of Farley Shrek
Great video as always ❤
This is such an in depth video about this. I love it!
Its honestly a once in a lifetime typa movie, something like roger rabbit. We will never get another just bc of all the time effort and work put into it, shrek imo is the greatest animated movie ever
My day always gets better when I see a new vid from you, keep up the great work, can't wait to see what's next.
Thanks! Much appreciated :)
I love this content! I think a Darren Aronofsky Batman Year One would be a dope video
Thnx! It’s on the to do list
Who would have thought that the movie that was seen as punishment was the movie that made DreamWorks what it is today
Shrek almost certainly wouldn't have been the cultural giant that it is now, but i'd love to peek into that alternate timeline, where they made Shrek with Farley and it became a turning point in his career. Just for his sake, if nothing else.
How do you know??? probably would be..... Chris farley was loved by many so if he is in it would be a hit ...
@@maszkalman3676 having one, fairly liked actor in your movie won't make it instantly good/popular/ a box office hit. Lots of things need to align to ensure success.
I'm not saying Farley's version would've been bad, far from it. Like i said, i would've loved to have seen it. If i had to guess, it probably would've been a modest hit, maybe even a cult classic in some circles, but given how different the Farley version seems judging by this video, it wouldn't have had the same level of "pop appeal" as the one we got. Not because of Farley specifically, but the movie itself would've been vastly different.
@@peterstangl8295 But you stated it wouldn't be a hit you based this on what exactly???? Pulled out from your backside????
This is the best CZcams channel out rn
Thanks!
Hear! Hear! I agree wholeheartedly!!
I know this isn't a huge channel, but it's one of my favorites. Every time I see an upload notification, I genuinely get excited.
Thank you and keep up the good work!
Wow, thank you! Really appreciate that and glad you enjoy the content
I'd love to see this version of Shrek, for the sake of film history and what we could've gotten. With most of those Farley lines, I'd be fine if it's mostly drawings.
It really is incredible that we got the classic that we did. I, like lots of people, was honestly blown away and charmed by the final film. The gentle boisterousness and sharp wit that Meyers brought to the character gave Shrek a little more confidence, which the character needed. He's a rebel with a cause, himself. It sounds like they really streamlined the whole story and better sold the "being accepted for who you are" theme. It's too bad we lost Chris Farley, but this film was an indictment on what eventually took him out of this existence. He was a brilliant comedian, which was sadly always overshadowed by his physical presence and push into child-like characters.
using the teenage plot for Sharktale was a top tier move
Mike Myers, Eddie Murphy, Cameron Diaz, John Lithgow… that lineup was still amazing! Hard to believe no one wanted to work on it and that it was considered a punishment project.
And although prince of Egypt and el dorado were financial failures they are both great and underrated!
Rip Farley his ahrek didn't look as great but man I would love to see where his film catalog would be today
Don’t think the film whould be as successful without the drastic changes but yea Chris Farley had a great career going
So it was reworked 3 times the 2d version the cgi mocap hybrid one that was in the test footage than the almost fully complete Chris Farley version than that got reworked into the final one
dude the still shots look amazing.
The test footage of Chris Farley’s Shrek was leak back in 2022 and to be honest I prefer Mike Myers Shrek
The fact that Shrek saved Dreamworks proves that Shrek is love, Shrek is life.
Great video-essay!
Chris Farley's voice seems like a perfect fit for Shrek!
Im glad janeane garofalo was replaced, the idea of a sarcastic above-it-all princess for 90 minutes would be exhausting.
great stuff as always, guys!
Not nearly as exhausting is someone screaming for 90 minutes because they can’t act.
OG Shrek concepts remind me of MediEvil
YES!
Another awesome Vid! Very interesting, I had no idea about the production of Shrek! As we said we love Chris Farley, especially his performance in 1997's 'Beverly Hills Ninja'. Also really like Janeane Garofalo, she's fantastic in anything she's in!
This Shrek Movie Sounded So Cool R.I.P To Chris Farley 🙏🙏 Prayers To His Family 🙏🙏
Who would’ve thought a famous immortal serial killer voiced such a lovable, iconic ogre?
That would have been so much better. Not that Mike did a bad job, I just really liked Chris.
I was scared of Mike's Shrek when I was a kid, Imagine Chris Farley's shrek if it was done 😂
RIP, Chris Farley, he would have been perfect as Shrek.
I don't know if he would. People would've seen the finished film as another Chris Farley flick if he was still alive despite being an early legend to people. 🤷♀️
It would have flopped
I've heard the recordings and no the Chris Farley version would've been inferior. What brought it together was the Scottish accent Mike Myers provided along with his energy. Let's face it, Chris Farley was a great comedian, but Mike and Chris are comedians of different styles and they exude a different energy. Mike Meyers was perfect for the role.
If chris farleys shrek was the shrek we had today, it wouldve been a movie I would not have watched
Can you do the what could have been live action simpsons movie please?
Jon Lovitz as Homer surely? Macauley Culkin as Bart? Paul Giamatti as Krusty?
Wouldve been really neat to see Bill Murray Shrek
I SERIOUSLY wish we could have gotten a full Farley Shrek movie.
At least we have a tiny bit of Farley shreak voice and animation but I hope the original version gets released In some form eirther the mocap hybrid one or the one Farley recorded
finally made it early. LETS GO BOSS GOT THE COFFEE ITS SATURDAY TIME FOR A BANGER. good morning my guy
Morning!
@@Bulletsandblockbusters man that was a good 1. i been watching stuff on this and how they just found the test footage and it might be even more stuff still out there. you should do a extra for this episode with that, it would be sick and pin them together like a dvd extra lol you could even call it that lol
Great idea
@@Bulletsandblockbusters right was just thinking about that watching this episode heck came back to watch again. guys have links to other vids but not making it or using it like a dvd extra and your content would fit this perfect for 1. you get so much in such a short run time which is crazy but great for hardcore yotube watchers who lose interest fast with longer form vids and this would be perfect with your style and 2. for us super-fans of show like you could pop them midweek to hold us down till Saturday morning.
then you can do a big compilation once your all done with a movie lol im just begging for more content lol im a crack fiend for your vids lol
I can't help but wonder how the Chris Farley, Shrek would have faired.
5:56-5:59 Actually, the Prince of Egypt was a box office hit.
Yeah, when he mentioned Prince of Egypt my immediate response was this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. It was quite massive when it came out, I remember.
The film was not a massive hit. It did well but well below dreamwork’s expectations.
Chris would body that role he had a good voice and A great idea how to play shrek
Was that English?
We got Snyder's Justice League. Will we eventually get to see Farley's Shrek?
Apparently they recorded the entire movie with his voice. I’d love if they’d release a version of his recorded voice in full, just so we can have a chance to watch it all, instead of clips they released.
Are there any copies of the draft for early Shrek available online?
Nick Cage shrek would have been wild
R.I.P. Chris Farley.
Both actors are a great fit for Shrek (although Chris Farley's version could have been totally different, not bad but different, Nicholas Cage would never work, he's IMO not a good choice for VO work) but Steve Martin as donkey? Nah never Steve Martin is a great and hilarious actor but Eddie Murphy was the PERFECT fit for donkey.
Speaking about Animated movies that were reworked from the ground up, have you already made a video about The Emperor's New Groove and its original version?
Echoing other comments I’ve seen on vids covering this, I think the Shrek I’m seeing just through the lens of the limited lost media would have been something closer to Igor (2008), ultimately ugly and quickly forgotten about rather than cultural icon we got instead. I don’t think this would have likely saved Farley’s career. The re-design of Shrek being on the right side of the uncanny valley where his CGI looks clean, like he could be a living person with green skin instead of Mucinex’s cousin does wonders for the relatability and staying power of the series.
Mike did a fantastic job! However this movie among others, leaves to the imagination of what could hav been had Chris gotten some help and was still with us today. 😢
That test footage looks like the Mucinex booger
Reminds me of Mary and Max (2009) especially Shrek's design.
I can see it@@brandonspain12345
There’s no question why Gerafolo was replaced. She’s got a permanent axe to grind and it has no place in a film with a plot for kids. No issues with her fight; Maybe when she throws her finite money at it and takes the risks.
First of all Garofalo was in Ratatouille, a kids film and she did very well as Colette, the idea of her not being cut out for kids film is total crap, and the first Shrek had some mild adult jokes and language and Ratatouille had almost none of that.
Perfect storm
There has to be a bunch of animatics of the full what-would-have-been film.
"I was only 9 years old....."
Myers’ version of Shrek is definitely what was better for business. I have a feeling that Farley’s version would have only fed into the image people had of him . The Chippendales sketch from SNL is really hard to watch now as it created his career but destroyed him as a person.
It's sad as it looks like he's owning any insults anyone could throw at him by making it his material and having a successful career out of it. But it isn't as simple as that, and it's still a real person and their body. He may have made lemonade but at what cost.
I hope that threre is even a little bit of footage on the one Chris did before his death not the test animation the one after that sad that it hasn’t been fully completed
To be honest didn’t think I’d like this video, but really interesting! Another great video!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Could you please make a video about what Could have been the original deadpool2
I wouldn't call the failed animation test a huge waste of money. It did exactly what it was intended to do: show Jeff Katzenberg what his initial vision would look like and how horrifying it would be. In fact given how much money the Shrek franchise has generated I would call it money well spent. It's part of the creative process, creators of all sorts have way more "failures" on the path to success than consumers ever get to see.
100% and well said but it’s worth pointing out at the time that shrek was seen as a low budget movie so to put all that time and money into it only to basically be back to ones must’ve felt like a giant waste
I wonder if Propellorhead got the gig because of Spielberg's previous connection to J J Abrams who he hired as a teen to restore Steven's childhood Super8 movies, after he read an article about him winning a short film competition. Funny firing him though since he later asked him to write the screenplay to his movie War Of The Worlds, and then produced Abrams movie Super 8. In the meantime Abrams got some revenge by contributing to the screenplay of Armageddon, the rival Asteroid Movie to Dreamworks' Deep Impact. With Geddon making a hellva lot more at the box office.
It’s good that Mike Myers brought over the funny Scottish accent of the FFB over to Shrek.
At the very least, the ethos of original inspiration was preserved in the Final Cut
Chris Farley left us too soon.
If Chris hadn’t died I don’t think his version of Shrek would have been as popular.
I see it similarly to Antz where it's good, but I don't think modern audiences would be too keen on the darker look and nightmarish designs.
@@brandonspain12345 same…. I think best case is it may have become a cult classic but I definitely do see Chris’s version of Shrek becoming a franchise
God, motion capture has come a long way.
The Prince of Egypt was Sooooooo good, the fact that it failed in box office is a crime
"30 years old, eating a steady diet of absolute monarchy cheese, and living in a SHACK DOWN BY THE SWAMP!"
Any plans on covering what would’ve been the original 4th “the Mummy” movie with the original cast coming back?
Possibly!
I miss Chris...
kinda weird how The Shrek closing credits dont even acknowledge Chris Farley.
And then Shrek 3 came out, starring Mike Myers, and Justin Timberlake.
Can you do a video of the rock trying to take over dc?
One of my first videos explored this however I have since taken it down as it being one of my first videos I thought it was poorly made and was embarrassed by it.
Wow, just passing right by the movie that could have been staring Murray and Martin. I don’t think that would have had anywhere near the impact culturally as even the Farley one, but man am I interested in what that script looked like.
There wasn’t one as far as I know.
At the early 1:00 mark it briefly mentioned the concept. That is all
Correction: The Prince of Egypt (1998) wasn't a bomb it grossed $101.4M DOM and $218.6M WW against a $60M budget, making it the highest-grossing non Disney animated film at the time.
It performed well below dreamwork’s expectations
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Still it wasn't a flop according to Box Office Mojo.
It did very poorly in respect to their expectations for the film. It didn’t lose money but it wasn’t a huge hit.
Well I prefer what we got and speaking of Tim Burton how about doing the cancelled sequel to Tim Burton’s Planet of the apes and the original script for Beetlejuice 2 as to what we’re getting?
I really wish Chris would have lived to voice him 😢