The most unorthodox defender in NBA history | Matisse Thybulle

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  • čas přidán 13. 01. 2022
  • Matisse Thybulle's combination of blocks and steals (stocks) is unmatched for any guard in league history. How does he do it? Is there a cost to his style? Should he have made the All-Defensive team as a guard last year while playing only 20 minutes a game? This detailed film breakdown & scouting report explores how the 76ers guard defends the perimeter while incorporating analytics & stats to assess his impact.
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  • @ThinkingBasketball
    @ThinkingBasketball  Před 2 lety +1082

    Ton of insightful comments on this (as always). When researching, I couldn't quite find anyone like him. As some have mentioned, Bird had his share of rearview blocks, Kirilenko had a long/chaotic element to his game, and Jordan has some of this too (especially helping down on the post).

    • @wecanjump7512
      @wecanjump7512 Před 2 lety +27

      Yeah, I thought of young Bird as well. Bird had the same anticipation without any of the athleticism. You almost have to jump sports to find a comp. I’m reminded of Troy Polamalu in football. They both play very loosely within the construct of their defenses, using their instincts/athleticism to make plays rarely seen. And their respective defenses sometimes pay the price for this freedom.

    • @SaxonFaust
      @SaxonFaust Před 2 lety

      KD been owning dis guy but Thybulle be terrorizing your golden boy Steph.

    • @SaxonFaust
      @SaxonFaust Před 2 lety +3

      You put Steph as the best player in the NBA. Its time to revoke ur basketball card because besides your analytics you really don't understand the game on a more deeper level. Ur undersigning of the game is overly reliant on stats and never lets you know the absolute truth about topics. Curry was never the best player in the league regardless of his numbers on ur bias selective stat sheet. Basketball is an art and it’s not all stat based analytics.

    • @navvyeanand2083
      @navvyeanand2083 Před 2 lety +1

      @@SaxonFaust 2016

    • @wecanjump7512
      @wecanjump7512 Před 2 lety +9

      @@SaxonFaust Your thinking is individually based. Curry’s impact is better viewed from a team perspective. Because of his famous range you have to guard him from half court. The constant attention (and his constant movement) paid him opens up the court for everyone.

  • @francisayala9310
    @francisayala9310 Před 2 lety +4848

    After watching this, it made me realize that Thybulle and Embiid mesh so well on defense. Imagine your a ball handler trying to get to the rim, you have Thybulle hounding you from behind and if you manage to get pass him, you're greeted with Embiid. That's nasty.

    • @albericponcedeleon2696
      @albericponcedeleon2696 Před 2 lety +511

      If Simmons wasn't such a black hole on offense that trio would have an insane net rating.

    • @Star-pl1xs
      @Star-pl1xs Před 2 lety +200

      @@albericponcedeleon2696 all-time, i'd bet (not even bringing up danny green)

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 Před 2 lety +36

      @@Star-pl1xs Dead on

    • @TJzWayyy
      @TJzWayyy Před 2 lety +3

      @@Star-pl1xs Danny green lol

    • @randomdude4045
      @randomdude4045 Před 2 lety +150

      @@TJzWayyy Danny is still a good defender. Not a DPOY caliber like he was 5 years ago, but he is still doin good at defending the perimeter. The only thing to be complained about Danny now is his shooting issue lol

  • @joelstratford2583
    @joelstratford2583 Před 2 lety +2829

    Have a look at him playing for the Australian team in the Olympics. His defence was very interesting to watch.

    • @Notusingmareelname
      @Notusingmareelname Před 2 lety +200

      He was off the charts at the olympics with his impact defensively

    • @cameron5483
      @cameron5483 Před 2 lety +101

      was gunna say after the comment about how he'd look in another defensive system, he was stellar for the Boomers defensively.

    • @devi_-
      @devi_- Před 2 lety +7

      Came here to say this.

    • @nicksantomauro2158
      @nicksantomauro2158 Před 2 lety +5

      FIBA rules help tremendously

    • @nnel385
      @nnel385 Před 2 lety +4

      He's sus, he might be a hacker

  • @RemoG0915
    @RemoG0915 Před 2 lety +176

    I was shocked Dwyane Wade wasn't in that guards block list per 100. Turns out he just missed with a 1.9

    • @ayden8297
      @ayden8297 Před rokem +19

      John wall as well

    • @paulgeorge1316
      @paulgeorge1316 Před rokem +3

      They are both incredible defenders, im surprised they never made it.

  • @tysongarcia6973
    @tysongarcia6973 Před 2 lety +244

    I'm from Seattle and had the pleasure of watching Matisse ball out here at UW for some great years. Mike Hopkins ran a wonderful 2-3 Zone and Matisse was one of the guards at the top of the zone. The dude was an absolute menace on defense and it was crazy how night in and night out, this dude would make offenses work so damn hard to trying to pass the ball around the top of the key without being picked.
    Check out his defensive highlights in college. His anticipation and bait game is next level.

    • @musicfirst5020
      @musicfirst5020 Před rokem

      No one cares if you're from Seattle. Get over yourselves.

    • @tysongarcia6973
      @tysongarcia6973 Před rokem

      @@musicfirst5020 Hey dumb dumb, Seattle was only referenced due to UW.
      Get out of your feelings, why are you so pressed by a comment? Weirdo.

    • @franciscopietri3999
      @franciscopietri3999 Před rokem

      😊

  • @kyfps
    @kyfps Před 2 lety +1120

    we also have to take into consideration the players he's guarding in everyone of these clips. He gets matched up 1 on 1 vs some of the best scorers in history on a nightly basis, which makes some of the opponent field goal percentages even more impressive

    • @slimewatch1
      @slimewatch1 Před 2 lety +55

      He locked down steph

    • @cole4939
      @cole4939 Před 2 lety +17

      It's not easy to guard the players he's guarding for sure, but all other All-defense caliber guards are guarding these exact same scorers as well, with the exception of maybe KD.

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg Před 2 lety +18

      @@cole4939 tbh as a Sixers fan i watched Ben Simmons defense get glamorized for years, to the point he could've won DPOY last season. That said he almost never really took that assignment and far too often would allow Danny Green or Tobias to get cooked by the great wing scorers. So having Matisse is a major difference there.

    • @EB-bl6cc
      @EB-bl6cc Před 2 lety +1

      great point. you can really only compare his % against to the other guys who are also guarding those guys on a nightly basis, rather than the whole pool

    • @kyfps
      @kyfps Před 2 lety +8

      @@retch23tg Wait wtf? That's completely wrong. Ben took their best scorer everynight. Just bc you don't like the guy doesn't mean you can change that he's the best defender in the league

  • @Rockstar408J
    @Rockstar408J Před 2 lety +886

    Such frequent content from Thinking Basketball is a treat

  • @garthmasa4459
    @garthmasa4459 Před 2 lety +440

    When i was in my younger years as a basketball player, i use to defend like that. My body didnt have the bulk to face up vs bigger and stronger guys so i use my quickness and timing to let them pass and block from behind. Its much easier and effective.

    • @jhalparo3827
      @jhalparo3827 Před 2 lety +4

      Also easier to get fooled. Hit me to change my mind 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @gc1087
      @gc1087 Před 2 lety +22

      @@jhalparo3827 yessir I play d exactly the same and fouls are easy to come by....sadly.

    • @venomf0
      @venomf0 Před 2 lety +2

      @@jhalparo3827 simple ballfake sends him flying

    • @kooligan500
      @kooligan500 Před 2 lety +13

      @@venomf0 Thats easy to say in hindsight or when just watching but in game speed hes comming from behind seemingly as a help defender. He goes from being the on ball defender to making a blind side play.

    • @gc1087
      @gc1087 Před 2 lety +8

      @@kooligan500 exactly, it surprisingly works well at game speeds, you can't slow it down and rewind 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @Phillyfan1998
    @Phillyfan1998 Před 2 lety +501

    As a sixers fan, I would do everything in my power to make sure he is a Sixers for as long as we can have him. He is so important on the court.

    • @sunrae7680
      @sunrae7680 Před 2 lety +15

      I consider Maxie and Matisse to be a set.

    • @Tyrannosaurine
      @Tyrannosaurine Před 2 lety +19

      Love Matisse, but he’s gotta show he can at least give you a couple buckets or something. On offense we are basically playing 4-on-5.

    • @heelp2370
      @heelp2370 Před 2 lety +26

      @@Tyrannosaurine tbf realistically do you even need him on offense and are there even enough offensive possessions for him wtih embiid, harden, maxey, and harriss there. hes like a 5th option when it comes to offense. Id say quitee frankly if you are relying on your 5th option for buckets you are already fucked assuming everyone is healthy.

    • @lourok6824
      @lourok6824 Před 2 lety +19

      @@heelp2370 5th offensive options should atleast have a consistent spot up jumper to provide spacing

    • @wallacewyche81
      @wallacewyche81 Před 2 lety

      @@lourok6824 true

  • @gabehowe2778
    @gabehowe2778 Před 2 lety +1789

    Mad respect to him, I never really noticed this, I Just thought his recovery was bonkers. He plays like a competitive 2K player, looking to bait the passer or the ball handler rather than looking to react from the front. Wade-like shot blocking ability. The offensive player is trained to light up their eyes when they beat a defender in front of them, however this is exactly what Matisse wants. Great video

    • @egvhub6230
      @egvhub6230 Před 2 lety +139

      Great point on the 2k lmao. This is exactly how 2k players be playing defense

    • @PMCCOTTER
      @PMCCOTTER Před 2 lety +11

      This is such a good analogy

    • @seanye4920
      @seanye4920 Před 2 lety +37

      Lmao the 2k analogy accurate asf

    • @freddycalipari4242
      @freddycalipari4242 Před 2 lety +31

      Lol 2k players can see behind their head. Nobody plays like that irl

    • @PMCCOTTER
      @PMCCOTTER Před 2 lety +3

      @@freddycalipari4242 Marcus smart

  • @spurguvitunhuora9119
    @spurguvitunhuora9119 Před 2 lety +439

    His ability to keep jumping without any recovery Time, reminds me of Rodman and Barkley. That talent made those two to spent there time under the basket. There you cant really defend while staying behind your opponent.... What a peculiar player.

    • @bradm1955
      @bradm1955 Před 2 lety +9

      Excellent point. Barkley & Rodman could jump quickly & powerfully. Very underrated ability. They’d just high point the ball faster than anyone else.

    • @r.martinwarnke6184
      @r.martinwarnke6184 Před 2 lety

      ‼️ truth

    • @b3trainingkc601
      @b3trainingkc601 Před 2 lety +1

      Andrew wiggins is like that too. Pogo stick. Quickest second jump I've ever seen

    • @t5s
      @t5s Před 2 lety

      Just bouncin

    • @t5s
      @t5s Před 2 lety +1

      Zion insane like that too

  • @yey862
    @yey862 Před 10 měsíci +7

    still insane to me how a video about thybulle is your most viewed video, just shows the quality of the content you produce

  • @sk33t_38
    @sk33t_38 Před rokem +23

    this type of defense is taught in the Seattle area a lot and he most likely learned it at UW. I was taught a similar way of playing defense when I played. I have no clue who started it but playing parallel and baiting shots is emphasized a lot here at some schools. Would be a cool thing to investigate. I remember Brandon Roy was really good at this also.

    • @absolutemenace7754
      @absolutemenace7754 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Def a west coast basketball style of defense to overplay the shooting hand and violate air space instead of the traditional contest

  • @trvspvrk
    @trvspvrk Před 2 lety +377

    I enjoy watching Matisse play defense, it’s honestly a joy to watch. He’s what I call a defensive highlight playmaker

    • @hasbullamagomedov4432
      @hasbullamagomedov4432 Před 2 lety +1

      What he does is what Ben simmons tries to do

    • @jojoprocess2820
      @jojoprocess2820 Před 2 lety +29

      @@hasbullamagomedov4432 nah ben simmons was a much better 1v1 defender and he was proud of that.

    • @hasbullamagomedov4432
      @hasbullamagomedov4432 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jojoprocess2820 yeah that's true man but watching him he wants to play defence and turn to offence you know?

    • @jojoprocess2820
      @jojoprocess2820 Před 2 lety +6

      @@hasbullamagomedov4432 yeah I can see that. I'm sure simmons would love to have thybulles defensive playmaking so he can get even more easy buckets on fastbreaks. He's not that bad himself tho, he led the league in steals like two years ago

    • @hasbullamagomedov4432
      @hasbullamagomedov4432 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jojoprocess2820 yeah man defence and play making isn't a problem for him at all but to be an nba superstar you gotta know how to do everything, I really think he's style of playing is suited in the nbl which is abit more rough than usual

  • @botleydot
    @botleydot Před 2 lety +504

    I agree that he gambles a lot on plays, but it makes him so entertaining to watch. Not sure you can block a curry 3 without taking some risks.

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg Před 2 lety +47

      His constant hustle covers up for it. Because even if he fails on that gamble he isnt going to give up and gets back into the play

    • @ghost.patrols
      @ghost.patrols Před 2 lety +6

      @@retch23tg Yup! I’ve seen him gamble, get beaten, then recover and still affect the player several times. His motor is unreal.

    • @Bigmonto
      @Bigmonto Před 2 lety +5

      Yea he looks like some sort of grasshopper put there. Even his dribbles a little weird. But it is very fun to see.

  • @dmpdagamer
    @dmpdagamer Před 2 lety +27

    Idk why, but his defense reminds me of some defenders on 2K I play defense similar to this in real life and it transitions pretty well to 2K. Easy pick pockets and chase down blocks. Passing lane steals come easy as well when your IQ is just high enough to know who the ball is going to.

  • @ingry
    @ingry Před 2 lety +25

    It's how he recovers so quickly and adjusts to plays as they develop that I love so much. And with the average player skill being high enough to switch hands on a layup to avoid a defender... not being able can't see matisse's block attempts coming from behind is huge. It's so simple on paper, but so difficult and risky to pull off... It's insane that he can make it work at all, let alone at such a high rate. With how him and Maxey are stepping up, along with how insane Embiid is playing; I see the sixers putting in a good run this year.

    • @drk.i.a.2969
      @drk.i.a.2969 Před rokem

      They got harden leading them a hugh defensive liability for a starter, unless he leads in NBA in assists, without his usual 12fts hes a bust...collecting $$$.

    • @ingry
      @ingry Před rokem

      @@drk.i.a.2969 dude this was 8 months ago, and I was talking about Matisse not Harden... Are you okay lol?

  • @billpap.9669
    @billpap.9669 Před 2 lety +663

    Paint defense will always be more valuable than perimeter defense but perimeter defenders need to be acknowledged & respected more, perhaps give a DPOY award to a perimeter guy.

    • @jsmoove2194
      @jsmoove2194 Před 2 lety +36

      Tell that to the bulls

    • @ethanhekker4371
      @ethanhekker4371 Před 2 lety +78

      for a perimeter defender to be DPOY-worthy he'd have to outweigh the value of high-level rim protectors and that's pretty much impossible

    • @tylerm4405
      @tylerm4405 Před 2 lety +34

      Yeah we should have an award for best paint defender (or maybe just overall since centers provide so much help defense) as well as a best man to man defensive player of the year

    • @douglasmcfarland9040
      @douglasmcfarland9040 Před 2 lety +11

      1988 Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of The Year. Also finished in top 5 vote 4 times and was 9 time All Defensive Team selection.

    • @zekedeblaay4211
      @zekedeblaay4211 Před 2 lety +33

      i know he’s best known for protecting the rim but giannis is a great perimeter defender. hes s dpoy. also kawhi won a dpoy, hes not much of a paint defender. just some recent examples, but yes, generally paint defenders are more valuable than perimeter defenders

  • @coledorillo6685
    @coledorillo6685 Před 2 lety +245

    Loving these non-all star breakdowns. Show some role players some love

  • @taylork.5427
    @taylork.5427 Před 2 lety +24

    As a UW fan, he was probably my favorite college player to watch. He was such a huge problem in those Husky zone defenses. The defensive numbers he was putting up were unreal

  • @thedarkfrost2351
    @thedarkfrost2351 Před rokem +5

    It’s insane that a video on a non starters defense is Ben’s second most viewed video

  • @Ty_Guy2K
    @Ty_Guy2K Před 2 lety +392

    As a Sixers fan I love watching him play defense, my eyes are always glued to him no matter where the ball is. I’m biased but I think he’s the most fun defender to watch in the NBA rn

    • @sammymac2546
      @sammymac2546 Před 2 lety +7

      Facts lol I got to watch him at Washington in college and he averaged like 4-5 steals a game

    • @Ty_Guy2K
      @Ty_Guy2K Před 2 lety +3

      @@sammymac2546 Oh sweet! Matisse is an absolute menace in a 2-3 zone, which I believe Washington used when he was there. It lets him get so many steals in the passing lanes and blocks from behind

    • @doloducci1k9200
      @doloducci1k9200 Před 2 lety +4

      Him & Gary payton ll

    • @aanakhtatkaa9994
      @aanakhtatkaa9994 Před 2 lety +2

      I totally agree with you! He's young, with a lot of growth! Let's go Sixers! Let's go Matisse Thybulle!

    • @declanfunk8127
      @declanfunk8127 Před 2 lety +2

      He makes the funniest and most ridiculously amazing plays

  • @nurd5776
    @nurd5776 Před 2 lety +726

    As long as he’s on a team like Philly, Utah, Milwaukee or Miami, he’s gonna have a great career

    • @nurd5776
      @nurd5776 Před 2 lety +14

      @@Doorknobz I didn’t watch the Lakers game, what makes u say this? Stat sheet never says enough but it doesn’t look like anything abnormal happened? Or Pels game where again stat sheet doesn’t say much either?

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg Před 2 lety +19

      @@nurd5776 I'm only replying so i can see his reply if he does. Because I'd love to know exactly what he was talking about too. Going to assume it was about Russ but idk

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg Před 2 lety +1

      @@nurd5776 and i agree with you. As long as hes on a good team and isnt depended on to be a vital part of the offense (that part of his game just isnt there, but its developing and he could potentially be a 10-14 ppg guy which would be great) he's going to have a place in the league for a very, very long time

    • @floydster23
      @floydster23 Před 2 lety +18

      Utah would be really interesting. Their defensive scheme is to take chances on defending the 3 point line because they know Gobert is back in the paint. O'Neale needs help out there as their only real perimeter defender. Thybulle's style of defense fits their own style, particularly with a rim defender like Gobert backing him up.

    • @injusticeanywherethreatens4810
      @injusticeanywherethreatens4810 Před 2 lety +7

      ya defensively slanted teams tend ot benefit the most from unusual, chaotic defensively slanted players. Its why Garnett was such an MVP in Boston and why Speedy Claxton was so useful for the Spurs.

  • @winstonrushiniii3647
    @winstonrushiniii3647 Před rokem +4

    Low key this is a smart way of playing defense because most offensive players read what’s in front of the them. So when you get pass him your focus shifts to next guy in front and you tend to forget you have a defender behind you

  • @shmoogly
    @shmoogly Před 2 lety +9

    I’m a sixers fan, always knew he was an great defender and could see it regularly. Never really notice how fast he can jump into the air, pretty amazing

  • @ethanfriedman3118
    @ethanfriedman3118 Před 2 lety +336

    When he played alongside Ben, the flaws weren’t visible because of what Ben is able to do as a 1v1, help, and interior defender. Ben allowed him to roam and be as effective as possible. Without him, teams can avoid him with good ball movement

    • @heic1971
      @heic1971 Před 2 lety +87

      Yeah Jordan and Pippen did the same during those time. Depending the situation, either MJ or Pip will be one lock down the ball handler and the other will play free safety role just causing havoc in the passing lanes. And then just as fast turning it to a fast break with either MJ or Pip on the wings. Reason once they acquired Rodman, the bulls were almost invincible even at the time all 3 players were past their 30s. So these kids can say all they want with the old players can’t beat the teams now…. Think again. Those bulls were top 1-3 in both offense and defense every season.

    • @Homer-OJ-Simpson
      @Homer-OJ-Simpson Před 2 lety +50

      @@heic1971 yup, that’s what made the Bulls great. One of either Pippen or Jordan would lock down a key player and the other roamed. Pippen could lock down the bigger players while Jordan would lock down the smaller players. Jordan had the extremely quick hands and feet to roam around whole Pippen had godly length to block shots and passes.

    • @heic1971
      @heic1971 Před 2 lety +55

      @@Homer-OJ-Simpson don’t forget Ron Harper, because of MJ, Pip and Rodman’s D Harper became a after thought. Harper would also lock down and recover to any player that might have got loose. When he was on the Cavs, Harper the only guy that gave Jordan a bit more trouble one on one.

    • @t.l.c.t.6250
      @t.l.c.t.6250 Před 2 lety +9

      Give all you guys a thumbs up

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 Před 2 lety +13

      @@Homer-OJ-Simpson Pippen especially had the lateral quickness, effort and wingspan to put all-time on and off ball defense.
      He was cloning himself on the floor, helping everybody.
      That combined with Harper on top and the competition had no chance at all.

  • @eligyo8546
    @eligyo8546 Před 2 lety +59

    been rooting for him and ja since 2019, glad they shine this year.

  • @rondariusjohnson3037
    @rondariusjohnson3037 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I love how you pointed out the good and the bad!!

  • @diegovargas1661
    @diegovargas1661 Před rokem +45

    I got a few things to say 1. Him and Embiid given time can be a huge powerhouse, once he masters the 1v1 defense this guys is going to be a menace. 2. I believe that he is the best transition defender ever, because his ability to see the ball and read the eyes of the defender is unmatched, that paired with his athleticism are a dangerous combo. 3. Also, if I he learns to talk on the court and have that chemistry with his teammates so that they know when he’s doing the wrap around, it’ll be like a double team that the offense never saw coming. All of this was said by a 13 year old peace

    • @NeilTruick
      @NeilTruick Před rokem +3

      Respect to you, youngblood...

    • @contrasbeatshop
      @contrasbeatshop Před rokem +5

      you are articulate for a 13 year old, keep being a thinker out here young man

  • @makutjunior9102
    @makutjunior9102 Před 2 lety +19

    One thing I saw in this video besides the fact that it is amazing and insightful is the fact that Durant must have watched film on him, that’s why he wasn’t looking at the guy but he still made a bounce pass after faking the shot because Thy was lurking from behind as usual

  • @ryzie1234
    @ryzie1234 Před 2 lety +42

    You can look at his defensive highlights playing for the boomers to see that he doesn’t need a elite paint protector behind him to cause hell on the perimeter as we were playing baynes and landale

  • @lyndy101
    @lyndy101 Před 2 lety +1

    You deserve more subs my dude. Love the depth you get into.

  • @thechampionsplaybook
    @thechampionsplaybook Před rokem

    The data in this breakdown is incredible the amount of research that you had to do to creating this incredible content is amazing 💯💯💯

  • @gabe271
    @gabe271 Před 2 lety +12

    I enjoy the simple things in life: A hot shower, good coffee and a fresh break down from Thinking Basketball.

  • @digitalvictory8266
    @digitalvictory8266 Před 2 lety

    Fascinating!
    Great video man!

  • @trentidif4907
    @trentidif4907 Před 2 lety

    This is a awesome video man very informative

  • @cuisonte
    @cuisonte Před 2 lety +21

    I agree with your Dr. Evil suggestion: Mathysse sometimes DOES intentionally let his man go to chase him from behind. And as a spectator I love it, he's a walking defensive highlight reel. There exists a defense showtime ladies and gentleman

    • @cd6xc
      @cd6xc Před 2 lety +4

      I feel that too, especially when he has the size advantage. The way he "crashes" on some screens looks deliberate sometimes.

    • @sunrae7680
      @sunrae7680 Před 2 lety

      Watching Matisse is like watching a comedy show. I'm laughing at how sneaky he is, and the ball handler doesn't know wtf happened. 😀😁🤣😂 Matisse deflated Steph Curry !!

  • @dhuman9321
    @dhuman9321 Před 2 lety +35

    This is so well done. Thank you for putting the spotlight on Matisse and how truly special his defense is. His defensive style really is most akin to MJ's (if there's a past precedent). But in part bc D is a greater % of his energy/overall game, he's like a turbo-boosted Jordan (which is crazy to think possible.) And yes, the more interior block'g help & positional react'g know-how his teammates can make to cover for a miss/buy time, the more valuable he is. Your conclusion is right on.

  • @jonathandy727
    @jonathandy727 Před 2 lety

    Crazy good video! Ive had this on my watch later list for about a month now haha so glad i finally watched it

  • @Finn-no8kh
    @Finn-no8kh Před 2 lety

    Amazing video man. He’s one of my favourite players to watch

  • @notnigelll
    @notnigelll Před 2 lety +123

    His defense is already generational, he’s done things I never thought were possible defensively

    • @bmebuzz8718
      @bmebuzz8718 Před 2 lety +7

      Really??

    • @notnigelll
      @notnigelll Před 2 lety +25

      @@bmebuzz8718 Yes, when was the last time you saw a guard block jump shots at the same frequency he did

    • @bmebuzz8718
      @bmebuzz8718 Před 2 lety +13

      @@notnigelll im not questioning his defensive credibility, im confused on the “he’s done things i never thought were possible defensively”
      his defense is amazing but its not mind boggling, i dont know i could be wrong jus feel like thats quite the overreaction

    • @buttnuts2599
      @buttnuts2599 Před 2 lety +4

      @@notnigelll d Wade

    • @notnigelll
      @notnigelll Před 2 lety +1

      @@bmebuzz8718 Maybe saying things i’ve never seen was an overreaction, but I meant as in his ability at 6’5 and being able to consistently block jump shots

  • @sponko
    @sponko Před 2 lety +15

    mattisse is one of my favorite players because he puts in effort. dude gets a 3pt shot and he plays for years

    • @theretrosavage
      @theretrosavage Před 2 lety +1

      He will play for years...

    • @Bobsyagod
      @Bobsyagod Před 2 lety +1

      He's been hitting more of them this year and he's young, if it keeps developing he could become an absolute weapon.

    • @theretrosavage
      @theretrosavage Před 2 lety

      @@Bobsyagod 100 percent agree

    • @JoeL-zw2me
      @JoeL-zw2me Před 2 lety

      Agree, I think just the fact that he’s not afraid to shoot 3s and that he does hit them although only occasionally is good to see. He’ll absolutely develop a more consistent shot at the rate he’s going

  • @ericperry27
    @ericperry27 Před rokem

    Brilliant stuff! His game and ur video! Love the breakdown.

  • @venturapassansibullich7052

    Great content! I am a big fan. And now I discover more about him!

  • @JG-bp6sn
    @JG-bp6sn Před 2 lety +24

    Very interesting analysis of the drawbacks to his style. We're lucky to have him and Embiid together. I'm guessing he'd be significantly less effective with an offense-minded big man like Towns or Jokic.

  • @Colinkrauss1
    @Colinkrauss1 Před 2 lety +5

    He’s been my favorite role player since he checked in to guard Kemba his rookie year and snatched Kemba’s soul! He is a defensive guru!!!

  • @Djseandu68
    @Djseandu68 Před 2 lety

    Wow what excellent breakdown!! Thank you.

  • @DankScole
    @DankScole Před 2 lety +122

    When the only badge you have is chase down artist 😂😂

    • @safalligal3849
      @safalligal3849 Před 2 lety +19

      When the only like you have in 4 hours is yours 😂😂

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 Před 2 lety +2

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

    • @DankScole
      @DankScole Před 2 lety +4

      @@safalligal3849 😐 I forgot to laugh

    • @zachmontminy
      @zachmontminy Před 2 lety +1

      @@truthhurts837 reach. Embiid owns him.

    • @gauravsimon367
      @gauravsimon367 Před 2 lety

      @@DankScole lmaooo

  • @steveshumate1983
    @steveshumate1983 Před 2 lety +32

    I remember noticing Mikal bridges take the same rear view approach defense on luka a couple of years ago that worked really well on PnRs. Mikal isn’t the same athlete but he’s got super long arms and great timing

    • @redgyarados10
      @redgyarados10 Před 2 lety +8

      agreed, another player I noticed that does this is KD. seems that the rear view approach defense works well for lanky & quick defenders who can cover ground easily

    • @chuckjacobs3239
      @chuckjacobs3239 Před 2 lety +4

      Mikal Bridges arms are looooong as fuck

    • @Harry0082
      @Harry0082 Před 2 lety

      Long arms help for sure. Much easier to reach over for the block without fouling

    • @goldenmidwayyoff1247
      @goldenmidwayyoff1247 Před 2 lety

      Man we could have had Bridges and Thybulle...

  • @Tony-cp6vu
    @Tony-cp6vu Před 2 lety +5

    He is just extremely athletic and more importantly, has this perfect timing instinct. You're born with that, gods gift

  • @slavkoyakitake
    @slavkoyakitake Před 2 lety

    Great video Mate !
    Love from Poland

  • @jet4247
    @jet4247 Před 2 lety

    This is a great content man

  • @nolengerwer3517
    @nolengerwer3517 Před 2 lety +10

    His way of defending from behind would work so well on the bucks where guards have to chase around screens because of Brooks extreme drop coverage

  • @bryant475
    @bryant475 Před 2 lety +4

    Awesome, great analysis! He's definitely a rare player! Another player who played like this, was Andrei Kirilenko (AK47). At 6'9, he was the shortest player in NBA history apart from Ben Wallace to average over 3 BPG twice in his career, and lead the league in this category at least once. He's also the only SF to ever do this. In addition, he's the only player in NBA history to finish a season in top 4 in both blocks and steals per game. He also had 3 5x5s in his career (games with at least 5 pts, 5 reb, 5 ast, 5 blk, 5 stl), second only to Hakeem the Dream, who had 6. In addition to Blocks and Steals, hee was also a great all around player, including passing, rebounding, and had a decent mid range and 3 pt shot. With a 37 inch vert in his prime, and a 7'4 wingspan, he was in optimal condition to block shots, but he also had great positioning, timing, anticipation, and straight up effort. Definitely one of the most underrated players ever, and one of the best defenders of all time! I love players who put a lot of effort into defense, and Thybulle, like AK47 is definitely one of them. This video gives a good summary of his rare stats, with highlight video in the background, and how he'd do in today's game: czcams.com/video/eak73CVfQHk/video.html
    P.S I don't remember if you ever made a video similar to this about AK47, but you should!

  • @simpleyvic
    @simpleyvic Před 2 lety +1

    'Tisse is that dude.. and on behalf of all Philadelphians.. we love him.. that kind of hustle and heart goes a long way with us..
    i just hope he sticks with improving his jumper.. Harden seems determined to feed him in the corner when the opps leave him uncontested. As long as he maintains that confidence, make or miss, and works in the offseason, Philly will love him for life.

  • @evhubbard41
    @evhubbard41 Před 2 lety

    Jus came here to say your thumbnails are legit broski 👌🏾. Always make me do a double take.

  • @Chairman_Miao
    @Chairman_Miao Před 2 lety +28

    would love to see a video on his former teammate in Seattle Dejounte Murray

  • @garretnarjes782
    @garretnarjes782 Před 2 lety +89

    I think the element missed in this analysis is how effective he is at creating offensive fastbreaks. In some of the analysis of the Warriors this season, there's been a correlation between the effectiveness of their defense at creating opportunistic scoring, which across the league is always more efficient than going into a set defense. I think if you examined the easy points he gives up versus the easy points he creates, you might have an answer as to the effectiveness of his defense (ie, separating the noise in determining if he's just good or great).
    Does he increase his team's scoring efficiency with these defensive plays more than he increases the opponents scoring efficiency by forcing these bad rotations. You already gave decent evidence that he's good at reducing on-ball shooting percentage, but I'd want to see perhaps whether opponents score more points in the paint than usual, and whether his defensive effectiveness changes when Embiid is off the floor.
    Not definitive, but a quick scan of his box score +/- does not appear to correlate this. He has 4 games with a very high +/-, but 3 or fewer steals+blocks. He also has 3 games with a very high +/- and more than 3 steals+blocks.
    There's definitely something going on here, and figuring out how to model it will probably improve defensive metrics, even if he is a unique player.

    • @chrollodranx-hunter3389
      @chrollodranx-hunter3389 Před 2 lety +8

      Interesting stuff....I'd theorise the more ball dominant guards who are either pass first or score first w/ a shifty handle give him issues in pnr

    • @caponebd7941
      @caponebd7941 Před 2 lety +3

      @@chrollodranx-hunter3389his specialty is definitely against shooters, so slashers give him comparatively more trouble. It’s hard to say if he would cover them differently without Embiid behind him though. Right now, he doesn’t have to worry too much about a guard scoring consistently in the paint against Joel. That being said, I want to see him stay with Joel on the sixers for a while.

    • @qwertmanjenkins
      @qwertmanjenkins Před 2 lety

      Don't know if it needs to be elements "missed"; this was a great video as is and makes plenty of awesome observations. Interesting comment tho maybe something you could make a video about!

  • @RsZ789
    @RsZ789 Před 2 lety

    Great analysis. Fascinating stuff

  • @johncage3969
    @johncage3969 Před 9 měsíci +6

    Matisse probably owes half of his $33/3yr contract to this video, lmao.

  • @michaelbarnes2617
    @michaelbarnes2617 Před 2 lety +10

    I’ve been impressed with his defense since his 2nd year, it says something that he’s considered one of Philly’s leaders as well he’s got a bright future

  • @tabithadavid606
    @tabithadavid606 Před 2 lety +3

    Fantastic video! I knew he was a great defender but this thoughtful breakdown really assists my appreciation even better. Love the content!!

  • @geotechms
    @geotechms Před 2 lety

    Fascinating video, I really enjoyed it 👍

  • @Moondancin
    @Moondancin Před 2 lety

    I am liking and subscribing merely due to the fact you added that clip from Curb.
    Nice taste. Cheers.

  • @avib4073
    @avib4073 Před 2 lety +11

    Fantastic stuff. Your videos are so detailed and interesting.
    It’s crazy how seasoned vets who have a good idea of when they can get shots off are completely caught off guard when Matisse does his crazy matrix blocks from behind. Gary Trent jr had a frustrated look on his face like damn wow wtf. I know he’s young but Steph did this too.
    Truly a specimen. In pickup games I’ve done this when people drive for layups if I know they have an advantage shooting over me. I just let them get around me and swat from behind. Yes I’m no Matisse but it’s a very tricky yet effective play. He’s a quirky, great defender with a capital Q.
    This brings back memories of when how Ginobili blocked Harden from behind to seal a playoff win I wanna say around 2015. Don’t need to be uber athletic to pull it off it’s mainly timing. Matisse is a beast so that’s why he blocks a ton of shots like this.

  • @zichriosler9552
    @zichriosler9552 Před 2 lety +38

    Ball-seeking defense. Definitely keeps him in hunter role. It can also be risky. This cost Philly in game 7 with a costly foul on a 3 point shot in the waning moments.

    • @ballplayer432
      @ballplayer432 Před 2 lety +2

      to be fair that wasn't really a foul

    • @Fahronaces
      @Fahronaces Před 2 lety +1

      He did it twice in that series in game 5 he fouled Trae Young on an important 3 near the end of the game, and he did the same thing to Kevin Huerter in game 7

  • @kracerx
    @kracerx Před rokem +3

    Just a couple games into his time in Portland, and he’s already looked really good - especially when you consider that Portland has been without their starting center. He’s already gotten one of those amazing blocks on what appeared to be a wide open corner 3.

  • @johnmortenmichaelis5635
    @johnmortenmichaelis5635 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Do we know how he played in Portland now that the Mavs made him an offer sheet?

  • @TylerMiller04
    @TylerMiller04 Před 2 lety +14

    I'm a sixers fan, and I just gotta say, I love Matisse. We all love him actually

  • @chestanjames1588
    @chestanjames1588 Před 2 lety +7

    Would love more videos on defenders like Jrue, Giannis, AD, Bam, etc

  • @kevinchan3668
    @kevinchan3668 Před 2 lety

    Love this analysis, thanks for the thorough breakdown./

  • @johncap5317
    @johncap5317 Před 2 lety

    Amazing video dude 🙌🏻👏🏼👏🏼

  • @broccolihighkicks708
    @broccolihighkicks708 Před 2 lety +3

    I’ve been waiting for this one! I Love Thybulle

  • @jamessim3360
    @jamessim3360 Před rokem +5

    Would love to see your update on his play now that he's on the Blazer's.

  • @1stMikeWhite
    @1stMikeWhite Před 2 lety

    Yeah, this video is super interesting. Well done y’all ✅👍🏽

  • @rn2511
    @rn2511 Před 2 lety

    Legendary timing 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

  • @athirdwhy9734
    @athirdwhy9734 Před 2 lety +9

    Just based on clips you showed, I 'd say he needs to master his techniques bit more. Tries too much to steal and/or block. Sometimes it's enough to redirect/distract the opponent. But yea, definitely worth keeping an eye on his defensive stats to see the impact he's having.

    • @ThinkingBasketball
      @ThinkingBasketball  Před 2 lety +4

      Yeah I think he hasn't completely optimized the style yet.

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 Před 2 lety

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

  • @BlueHundred1
    @BlueHundred1 Před 2 lety +14

    He's a smart defender who's pretty disciplined but he's also got size and wingspan and explosiveness laterally and vertically. If only he had more of an offensive game. He's such an interesting player.
    Embiid is the defensive anchor and dpoy candidate not thybulle but matisse is a great defender. He's a defensive highlight reel making plays with calculated gambles and his unique style.

  • @dhize7928
    @dhize7928 Před 2 lety +1

    Watching Now Matisse highlights after thinking why 76ers declined Nets request. Now i know he’s valuable to them.

  • @victorpomales8615
    @victorpomales8615 Před 2 lety

    Great insight. Thybulle never really gets talked about as an elite athlete, great job explaining it.

  • @anlstyle
    @anlstyle Před 2 lety +3

    Thanks for the video. Very interesting. I wonder if his playing from behind is something he developed to compensate for his lack of lateral footspeed. I don't think he can play a normal scheme but he's actually not good at moving his feet, keeping up laterally with attackers.

    • @sunrae7680
      @sunrae7680 Před 2 lety

      Their making him work on his scoring game. He is making/ taking more shots.

  • @connor8627
    @connor8627 Před 2 lety +22

    He’s absolutely phenomenal, still can’t believe my Celtics drafted him and then traded him to the 76ers

    • @bdawg2690
      @bdawg2690 Před rokem

      Oh man, would’ve been a perfect fit for y’all

  • @danraul9759
    @danraul9759 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Dude...his acceleration is insane!!!

  • @chaabraaah5823
    @chaabraaah5823 Před 2 lety

    Also, your breakdown is incredible. Subbed

  • @braedonjames7084
    @braedonjames7084 Před 2 lety +6

    I Feel it reminds me of Jordan style defending, high risk/high reward, lots of steals from behind, lots of blocks, lots of passing lane attempts etc.

  • @AlexHendershot
    @AlexHendershot Před 2 lety +40

    He is the Russell Westbrook of defense…he’s an athletic freak with a crazy high motor, takes risk and causes chaos, sometimes at the expense of his team

    • @KevlarCurt
      @KevlarCurt Před 2 lety

      Westbrick

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 Před 2 lety +1

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

  • @penmanovicxxxxxx2694
    @penmanovicxxxxxx2694 Před 2 lety +2

    One place you could look for evidence of Thybulle's effectiveness in a different scheme is footage of his defence with the Australian national team at the Tokyo olympics. He had moments of incredible effectiveness there as well as a few bizarre plays. Worth a look.

  • @AndrewEvenstar
    @AndrewEvenstar Před 2 lety

    This video is awesome. Wow. Great work. This guy has skills

  • @eatdawontonsoup
    @eatdawontonsoup Před 2 lety +10

    I think he and John Stockton have a lot of similarities in backcourt defending.

  • @1will2kill
    @1will2kill Před 2 lety +8

    He would be perfect for the Raptors. His help D would fit in perfectly with FVV and our front court.

  • @chesscomsupport8689
    @chesscomsupport8689 Před 2 lety +1

    1:55 That block is so casual yet so nasty

  • @jrunna198
    @jrunna198 Před 2 lety

    Great observation, and attention to detail... keep this up

  • @intendedexpression6609
    @intendedexpression6609 Před 2 lety +4

    Top 3 wing defenders rn imo: Thybulle, Herb Jones, and Mikal Bridges. Kawhi is in there when healthy and motivated. Others like Jrue Holiday, Marcus smart and giannis are great too.

    • @qbincashion8058
      @qbincashion8058 Před rokem +1

      Not even including Simmons as an honorable mention is disrespectful

    • @intendedexpression6609
      @intendedexpression6609 Před rokem

      @@qbincashion8058 You right, hes really well balanced as a defender perimeter wise and in the paint. Also very disruptive in the passing lanes and his mobility for being 6'10 is insane.

  • @9Kjack
    @9Kjack Před 2 lety +19

    I'd be interested to hear what his teammates think of playing defense with him and his chaotic style

    • @norpriest521
      @norpriest521 Před 2 lety +1

      If bucks get Thybulle.
      It's a wrap

    • @averagesixersfan9778
      @averagesixersfan9778 Před 2 lety +1

      @@norpriest521 wont ever happen

    • @IH8AI
      @IH8AI Před 2 lety +12

      The rest of the Sixers have all started trying to block shots from behind since Matisse was drafted. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 Před 2 lety

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

    • @averagesixersfan9778
      @averagesixersfan9778 Před 2 lety

      @@truthhurts837 ?

  • @flyhigh9395
    @flyhigh9395 Před 2 lety

    This is honestly amazing

  • @tdoublejr
    @tdoublejr Před 2 lety

    God I enjoyed this so much! Good video!

  • @Cluez31
    @Cluez31 Před 2 lety +6

    I've always played defense like Matisse... a coach told me a long time ago... he said "Your reactions and instincts are faster than your feet" (I had bad feet due to a heredity disability)...so let them go past you if they are above the 3 point line and use your hand quickness and reaction instinct to play from behind the ball handlers... he'll forget you're there after he blows past you"... I thought it was the dumbest piece of advice... How would a player forget about me after I was just in front of him!?.... But he was a wise coach... He was right. Players did forget about me once they got past me.

    • @louispatterson3407
      @louispatterson3407 Před 2 lety

      I play d like this too but only when they’ve already Beat me.Never notice it either

    • @Cluez31
      @Cluez31 Před 2 lety

      @@louispatterson3407 Yeah, the reason he told me to let them beat me was that especially amateur players..they get wide eyed when they see a clear path to the basket. He said if you stand on the side of them and give them daylight to the basket, most will always take it. They don't have eyes in the back of their head...so they won't see your defense coming because they are too focused on the basket and scoring. But you'll be able to see whatever they are doing.

  • @NickPR87
    @NickPR87 Před 2 lety +5

    I was having a conversation with a friend about how much his defense reminded me of early, athletic prime MJ. Difference being, Michael didn't gamble as much and stayed in front of his guy more often. But MJ being an offensive force as well makes him ever much more impressive!
    But don't get it twisted, Thybulle is crazy fun to watch and is quite impressive in his role. He's also one of the few guys that have been able to translate their defensive play from college to the pros and make their money strictly off that.

  • @julianc.6589
    @julianc.6589 Před 2 lety

    great analysis my man, you got a sub outta me

  • @basedlord88
    @basedlord88 Před 10 měsíci

    Watched him all thru college cuz grew up a UW fan, guy is so fun to watch, his defense is insane, would love to see him added to a elite team and be their defense glue