Stripping our Ferguson TE20 Hydraulic Lift Cover
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- čas přidán 12. 10. 2021
- Hello Im Lance (aka Bundy Bear) and doing these videos is my hobby. I do own Queensland Tractor Spares in Australia where I sell parts and offer technical advise to customers.
Parts seen in our videos can be purchased from www.queenslandtractorspares.co...
We have a lot more than we can offer on our web site available to us and in our store. If you dont see what you would like please email info@queenslandtractorspares.com.au and we will help where we can.
I do try and help with technical advise at bundybearsshed@gmail.com if you have a question or are having trouble with your project. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Another great video. Thanks for taking the time to put these out.
My pleasure!
Thank you Lance for sharing your wonderful and vast experiences with us- you are a wonderful mechanical engineering teacher and I enjoyed your simple explanations of so many sophisticated mechanical mechanisms, thank you!
My pleasure!
Thank you, Lance. I'm learning so much from your videos and just love all of your honesty and humour that goes along with them.
I appreciate that! Thankyou.
I love watching him work such a gentleman and very smart man
Thanks Bill.
Great video Lance - look forward to the rebuild!
Thanks 👍
Top quality videos great for younger guys interested in tearing stuff apart and bringing them back to life should be more of us, also got to say mate im very happy of the service from Queensland tractors spares say Gday to Nicole mate she does a great job
I will say G Day to Nic for sure. She is a great employee.
You have a great sense of humour Lance another great video 👍 thanks
Thanks.
Excellent, my quadrant I seized. I was watching and I see what's inside, before I pull it out, its good to see I can pull it out in situ, legend Bundy 👍
Glad I could help
@@BundyBearsShed while I got you, what oil and grade do you use in the hydraulic circuit, and how many litres, I have a banana loader
Hello Lance, Sometimes it is just amazing how these old tractors come apart, I did say sometimes!!!!!! regards, Charles.
Yes now and then we have a win. Other times not so much.
Hey Lance Thanks for these videos. I recently acquired a 1950 Ford 8n with a Ferguson Rear end. It has the AL cross piece in it. Your videos have been incredible in helping me get this old girl working. She isn't there yet but hopefully I will have the lift working soon.
Sounds great!
Lance, thank you very much for highlighting the threads problem …. I’ve been scratching my head while working on my jubilee…never thought the threads were the problem with my new parts 😔. Thanks again.
Glad to help!
So a new piston is the Viagra for the linkage !
Good job again ..
Yes they work really well. Hopefully I can prove it on video shortly.
Hi Lance - I just want to let you know that I fully enjoy watching your restoration videos. I find your way of explaining how something works, really makes it sink in with me. Also, as I am visual learner, it helps a great deal that you take your time filming everything, as wel as taking stuff apart and putting it back together. My son and I will be having a go at getting our 1952 TE-A20 running again, when new parts arrive this week. I am confident I can figure out how to measure if we are getting ignition now, and I am sure I will be able to adjust the timing as well. Only thing I am wondering, should I connect the indicator lamp differently when I have a positive ground tractor, or should I still just measure from the distributor to ground?
Good luck with your work, hook it up the same the lights often dont mind which polarity, if for some reason yours does just swap it around but still to the same places.
That would be great if you can fit the position control. I would love to see how that works. Keep up the good work Lance it helps everyone.
That is the plan with this one, I have it tucked away for it.
Oh, and if you could share a link to where a position control device can be purchased for delivery worldwide, then I would be happy.
You help a lot Thanks keep it coming
Thankyou.
Thank you Harry Ferguson!!!!!!.
You are welcome!
Hello Lance,
Good video... some fun quotes from your good self... I hope you got that lottery ticket...
Take care.
Paul,,
I hope so too lol.
Amazing to watch you videos!
Could you give some advice on getting the arms off my TEA20? They seem more stuck than yours. I've been hammering and spraying rust loosener for a day or 2 and they won't come off!! Is using heat a good idea? If there is brass bushings in there they wouldn't like the heat too much, if they still don't come off so I can swap them? I do have a press as well but is it a good idea to try and press the rod through with arms on?
Heat is fine, they normally dont have brass the other ones I have had a hard steel bushing. Heat then quench can work as the expansion and contraction may break the rust free.
Awesome video, can you toss the felt onto draft rod on purpose? Is there such a fix for 35s for hyd. piston sealing? Just asking because my mate Mike is struggling with that.
I machined a 35 piston to take a hyd ram seal and it worked a treat, stayed up for weeks. You need a felt but they are often not real good so I use cork at times.
I was trying to unthread my draft adjustment. Got it to start loosening with some heat, but towards the end it got tight and I'm pretty sure I bent one of the control arm forks trying to do so :(
I'm in the middle of a clutch replacement and some rewiring, but once I get the two halves back together, I'm going to pull this top cover off and see if I did any damage.
Thanks for another great video. They've been very helpful
Thanks Bob,
When you are unthreading a fastener and it starts getting tighter, thread it back in a half turn or so then you can continue to remove it. This will help clear the dust that is binding up the threads.
Thank you very much for your restoration video.
I would like to know of my tractor that have two levers to make the three point appliance up or down, I need some explanation about how they work.
And if they work together or every one has a different job.
Yours is not a TEA but a later tractor. Go to the Facebook page Massey Ferguson World wide and they did a whole series on that.
Thank you for your reply and I will go to the Facebook.
Would the piston size be different on a TO ?
thanks for the videos they are a help my float spring spins too lucky me !! Cant seem to get it to lower .
I dont believe so but we dont have them here to check.
hi you do a great job on tutorials for that i thank you and you seem to have develope a device to split the forks on the 9n control valve is it for sale
No Im sorry it is just what I had on hand.
Greetings Lance! I will be putting my Top Cover together soon and the amount of crap around the shaft was tremendous and had to press the shaft out during disassembly. The manual says not to put anything on the lift shaft when putting back together to prevent the collection of dirt; does not seem logical with the rust factor and taking it apart in the future. What are you thoughts with coating the splines with anti-seize, or, anti-seize and a layer of grease over that. I appreciate your experience and cannot stop watching your videos; thank you.
I use grease for sure. I can see if it was ploughing all of the time the dust might collect but on mine it wont be a problem.
Hey Lance, did you find out if you can buy a shaft for the lift cover? I am not able to get the lift arms off of the shaft and will have to cut them off. I don't believe they have ever been off since 1952. Thanks for videos they sure help,
Not the TE20 from what I can see.
Hello Lance, at the end of this video you mention the surge relief valve and that you were going to "experiment" with it in another video. Did you end up doing that cos I have been unable to find it? Thanks.
No the relief valve is on the pump for these, I havent had time to make a hand pump test rig Im just flat out all of the time.
Good evening, I have a question on a ferguson te20. The pto shaft is stuck on . The lever shifts forward and back but is still spins. Any advice on where to look?
pop the l/h side cover off for a look inside.
Hi Lance hope your well as I’ve said before your videos are brilliant I’m on my 7th furgy now lol. You say in video the lift shaft comes out one way , which way please???.regards Arthur, UK
I cant remember now but look at the spline the center lever goes on and it will tell you
Hi Lance, another good one, I'm in need of your help please, I'm restoring a DB990 and I've heard you say in the past, you wouldn't do a vid on painting, could you please do a stew and tell us how to get paint into all the hard to reach areas, I tried painting as components but you end up still having to paint bolt heads etc, I've tried to paint as a tractor but cannot get to the rear of some of the faces, ie DPA pumps, between the manifold pipes, you know the places, access to your many years experience would be greatly appreciated
I put the gun down behind and I dont care if I get a run or two. Sometimes I do the under coat /primer as I assemble and at least I know there is some protection there then try and blow a heavy coat of colour everywhere. I lay under the tractors and paint as well.
@@BundyBearsShed cheers Lance , that about where i am at the moment, prime at component, some parts like the front axel and pivot beam i 'll paint in colour before assemble as i know i'm not going to be able to get in there with thew gun later,
cheers for the reply keep the video's coming they're just the job on dark cold winter nights while the wife watches emmerdale./
Harry Ferguson's three point system control is a lot more complex than it at first seems like.
Yet it is still simple to work with
I love this video great info. My buddy Larry calls the lube here in Arizona Panther Piss. Lol 😂
lol same stuff Im sure.
I am trying to remove the seized shaft that holds the two lift arms and can it be removed and installed from either side please?
Either side from memory, they can get quite rusted on though.
Just wondering if the spring to the yoke was broken would the hydraulics drop & not lift again ?
No the arms came up ok but I never had an implement with a top link hooked up since I have owned it.
Lance. computers are not my hot point!! Thanks for all youve done so far in your films and advice. I have uploaded a latest film on my channel mainly for you to
look at. Your opinion would be grately appreciated!!
Message left on the video for you. I think you are onto it.
Hi Lance, love the videos. Im having trouble with my tef 20 lift that i cant figure out. It can lift something very light, but once any strain comes on the top link it wont lift. It goes jerking or stays static. Ive tighten/turned the draft as much as i can, still a slight bit of looseness in it it though. Aby suggestions as to what it could be is greatly appreciated!!
The oil from the control valve gets to the top through the gearbox housing and there is a lift cover gasket and a pump gasket that can let go over time. The lift cylinder o ring or gasket can be bad as well. Worth a look through a side cover I would think.
Thanks Lance, where is the lift cylinder gasket located on it?
Where the cylinder bolts in under the cover. @@johnomalley872
Hi Lance I have a question for you about my tea 20 I raised my hydraulics up and it would not go down doesn't seem to move anymore any thoughts on it
Sticky pump control valve possibly s my first thought.
Remember that lotto ticket Lance 😂
Done, lol
Hi Lance. Bit of a puzzler, my draught control spring seems to be working backwards. When the spring is pushed into the tractor the arms lower rather than raise. The manual quadrant lever lowers and raises the implement as it should. Any ideas as to how the system could be operating in reverse ?
All I can think of is that the spring tension is way out of wack one way or the other.
@@BundyBearsShed this is with the spring off and me simply pushing on the rod to test
Could you explain how the draft control system works?
It is like traction control, when an implement digs in hard it pushes the top link towards the tractor against the spring and it lifts the implement slightly until the load is back off the spring again.
Hello. I would like to ask you something about my fathers TE20. He has some problems with hydraulic. Hydraulic is working but when the plow is in the ground and has a load, the plow will not lift out of the ground. All other connections can be raised and they work normally, the harrow without load is raised by the hydraulics without problems. My question is what could be the problem with the hydraulics when the plow is attached? I hope you understand what I wanted to say because English is not my native language. Thank you very much in advance for your answer!
It has to be the spring adjustment I would think then adjust the quadrant
@@BundyBearsShed The spring is not stretched and there is a space between the springs 10mm. How should the spring be adjusted?
Top draft spring.
HAHA! Possum Pee, at the shop, my relative owns, we call his son, my cousin Matt, Weasel. We call WD40 Weasel piss. So if we get low, we start yelling to Matt, "Weasel! Come Piss on this! Your Slacking!! The can is Empty!"
Ha Ha good stuff.
Hay Lance could you not just remove all the rings and replace them with 3 orings? Just an idea
You could try it but I think they would cut on the rear edge.
We call it panther p in the states.
Is that just as good? 😃
@@BundyBearsShed guess it depends on your brand. Lot of people swear by Kroil, PB blaster, and a mixture of automatic trans fluid and acetone.
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Got those lift arms off without setting yourself on fire like I did more than a year and a half ago. It's healed up pretty well but still looks like melted plastic. The center sleeve on mine was way stuck too so we put it in a 20 ton press and heated it with 2 oxy torches bright orange before it let out one heck of a bang once it started to move. That's Wisconsin locktite for ya 😁 I replaced the shaft with a good used one and a sleeve as well. You are right, they are not reproduced, I looked many places. I still have to drop the bottom out of mine and even though I disconnected my valve, somehow I broke it so I ordered a new one. Surprisingly though the gear oil was clean and not much muck in the bottom. Hoping I won't have to do the pump as it works good and my cylinder looks brand new with no scratches so I didn't mess with it. Cheers!
I put my shaft in a 50 tonne press and away it came, as the tractor is from out west the rust isnt a problem so it seems
Does the shaft come out only one way? I'm about to do the same as both of you and put it in a press. My guess is out through the lever side but I don't want to break anything by accident.
@@Randis94e I pushed mine out the left side (opposite the quadrant) because it fit in the press better. You should be able to go either way but remember that you are pushing out the bronze bushing as well if it is still in there. As I said in my other comment it was tough! If you are in a place where things don't rust as bad as Wisconsin then you may have an easier time of it. Hope so. Lance is lucky they don't have Wisconsin Locktite in Australia.
@Bundy Bears Shed @t johnson I got it out! Pushed it out like you said after finding something round to press against to even out the pressure. They were tight! But now I'm stuck with what to do with the bushings. There was a little side movement or felt loose when you turned the rod around and I thought it to be big enough to swap the bushings. But I seem to have trouble finding new ones! I've seen in another video of yours Bundy that you cleaned yours and put them back in? How much of a gap or worn can the bushing be before you should swap them?
@@Randis94e My bushings and shaft had about an 1/8th inch of slop in them. Both the bushings and the shaft were worn, The bushings are kinda hard to come by and at one time Lance was looking for some too. There are only 2 places I saw new ones for sale but I don't remember who they were. I'll go back through my receipts and see who I bought them from. I'll message you over the weekend when I find the receipt in my folder. My bushings came out with the shaft because they were beat. The new ones have a bit of a press fit. TJ
Safety ... Why I just want you to know I still have six fingers left to be safe with.🙄😱
Well 6 has to be better than none 😃
Australian possum pee is powerful stuff
It sure is, lol.