What's The Lowest Possible Score In Mike Tyson's Punch Out?
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I'm placing my bet on 267000 points
FFS, I said low score not high score >:(
@@Papamanual I just saw this comment and realized I accidentally added an extra zero to the number... Whoops
@@Brolylomaniac Well this is awkward... for you. Type less shit next time ❤
@@Brolylomaniac With that mistyped score, You must be Todd Rogers lol
cringe gacha
It must be unbelievably frustrating to fight a guy who turns into a phantom and dodges every shot you throw for rounds on end... and then drops you with one perfectly placed, kidney-shattering punch. Especially when he's ten weight classes smaller than you are.
Little Mac has muscles, but he's unbelievably lightweight. They must be made of foam
Little mac is somehow lighter than my skinny ass, my theory is that he has hollow bones
Ippo fights be like:
@@lambtoken2708he’s wearing a muscle suit full of cotton padding
No he’s just a little person guys he’s shorter then everyone thus begin lighter.
Who would let a kid little person into the ring satan obviously who else would allows such fights and demonic abilities into boxing?
As someone who's never paid attention to the score in punch out, I'm going to say exactly 38610. Let's see how awful my score is in an hour...
Somehow only 2000 off the total. Pretty damn good
Low score Mac is my favorite boxer. He has his opponents analyzed down to the bone. He'll dodge and weave for 2 rounds and land one punch to end the fight. And in the next fight he can't dodge a punch to save his life, getting punched every time he lands a hit. Yet he still wins, every time. Somehow all his fights seem like they're pre-determined, but you never know what kind of Mac will show up. It is an honor to be a boxing spectator in this era. Low score Mac will always be my world champion.
As mentioned in the intro, it is physically impossible to complete the game with zero points, as hitting an opponent in any way gains a point.
Therefore, mathematically, 0 points is the worst guess, and I should be pinned for this glorious achievement in scientific problem solving.
Now that you meantion that, it is actually impossible to have your score end with the number 1-9, so anything ending with that, would be an equally bad guess
Ah, I see you are a fellow scholar of science. Welcome, your contributions are appreciated here.
You will always have a score of 0 if you never actually play the game, Schrodinger's Cat style.
You could take it further and seek out a sealed copy that has never once been booted if you want to go the extra mile to ensure it has NEVER had a score over 0 on the cartridge aswell.
I'm so very pleased we can all come together as an intellectual collective to invent new and unique ways to achieve terrible predictions
Negative scores, as well as scores too big to enter the memory space allocated to keeping track of the score should be just as impossible.
next thing I'd like to know is what is the highest possible score? I mean, you can only score so many points before the opponents will go down, so there has to be a max points limit, right?
You are right... There are fundamental limits on what the maximum score score could be... I have a TAS that I have not unveiled yet. When I think the time is ready, there will be a video on it.
I'm placingy bet on 26700 points.
you copied the pinned comment@@wompastompa3692
Placing my bet at 3,333,360
Now that I've finished watching, I'm going to make another bold prediction. I predict that this video was only a prelude, the calm before the storm, a video to establish background information before the main event, which is trying to figure out the highest possible scores. In your TAS video you, said that the full TAS speedrun wasn't even close to the hardest thing you've done, and looking at this, I don't think it's this either, but now that we already know how exactly to get points, and we know a way to refill a bit of HP by punching and that it works for enemies as well, something tells me this was just the beginning.
Good instincts.
I just want to clarify it was McHazard who made the speedrun TAS, not me. I only made the video about it.
I love how at 55:20, you get Super Macho Man crouching and turning into Soda Popinski before releasing his uppercut
God tier editing tbh. Not everyone couldve made that work haha.
Interestingly, even though both characters are pallette swaps of each other, they arent aligned in the exact same position during the fight.
This may be a bit off topic, but it's really amazing how well made this game is. Most NES games, even the big titles, have a lot of jank to them. Whether it's weird hitboxes, buggy graphics, or sprite flickering/lag, you'll find it everywhere. This game has so few issues that even speedrunners can barely bust its code. Tbh, I really don't like most NES games because they've mostly aged very poorly, but this is a huge exception. The only real "dated" things I can see are the lack of a level select (which is easily made moot with the password system) and the score counter. You could legitimately put this game on a store for 5 bucks (maybe with cleaned up sprites like the video) and it'd feel like it was made today. It's a marvel of game design.
Im glad you appreciate the game!
On a similar note, the scoring system is much less vestigial than normal for a game without a scoreboard (and scoring mechanics deep enough to justify one) because whether you win by decision is based on your score.
I don't know why the console just lags and crashes when there are more than 5 enemies on screen in The Legend of Zelda. I can't play The Legend of Zelda if it will be crashing all the while! Most of the rooms to defeat 10 enemies to continue through the dungeon...
I know literally nothing about this game, so I'm sure my guess is perfect
200,000
Edit: the points are not going up as much as I thought they might
Let's see, since win by decision is off the table, each foe needs to be knocked out at least once. So that immediately gives us 14 * 1010 = 14140 as a lower bound. And not every foe can be beaten in one knockdown - if we imagine that, on average, each opponent takes 2 knockdowns, this would give us an estimate of 28280 points, disregarding other sources of points. So I'll give a broad guess of 30000 points total to give some room for 10 points per punch adding up.
My guess for the lowest score is 5.51 seconds. Not sure why Twin Galaxies removed that record...
14:23 I love that you used this theme again, its like it is king hippo song.
Btw the whole music in this video is top notch, great work man, love your content 👑
My guess right after the rundown would be average of 2 knockdowns per fighter (28280), and just round up a bit to account for the majority of punches and maybe the odd star knockdown and I'd guess right around 35,000 points
I’m going to guess around 40,000. One knockdown for Glass Joe, King Hippo and Piston Honda II, two knockdowns for Don Flamanco I, and three for everyone else gives 35 knockdowns total; that’s 35,000 points. I reckon about 500 punches total for another 5,000 points
EDIT: forgot about the Bald Bull II one hit KO
yeah idk mate. probably like a billion
very satisfying ending. Excellent video game science, Pap!
I find it strange that I'm so interested in the depths of a game I've never played, and looks like a game I probably wouldn't enjoy playing.
I think I like the theorhetical aspects of it and the ways that math is used to maximize (or minimize) different categories of efficiency. Ik most speedruns do that with frame-saving techniques, but that sort of math is a fundamental part of the gameplay itself, and is therefore more visible and interesting.
Can't wait to see a high score video.
It's funny, I always thought that the runs of this game that revolve around points tend to resemble actual boxing matches: Either drawn out fights lots of dodging with a few crucial hits ending the fight (low score), or all out slugfests that are still drawn out (high score).
To, my initial guess was around 20,000. I revised that to around 50,000 after the von Kaiser fight, when I realized that most fights would need multiple knockdowns, and down to 40,000 after the King Hippo fight. I wound up being a bit high, but in my defense I expected that Mike Tyson and Mr. Sandman would take extra points. I never would've guessed that Soda Popinski was the biggest roadblock!
I guessed 35000, and wow, I was surprisingly close.
Nice job managing to eke out a sub-36K score in the end!
Score is one of those parts of Punch-Out I never really considered when playing through it. Though if I remember correctly, its used to determine a win by decision. If that's the case, then I wonder what the lowest possible score is if you are able to play through all fights and win by decision (except for King Hippo probably).
I was also curious about this since the video mentioned the value for Glass Joe but not the other fighters.
According to the Punch-Out!! fandom wiki, this is the win by decision point list:
Glass Joe - 5,000
Von Kaiser - 8,000
Piston Honda 1 - Can't win by decision
Don Flamenco 1 - 10,000
King Hippo - Can't win by decision
Great Tiger - 10,000
Bald Bull 1 - Can't win by decision
Piston Honda 2 - 3,000
Soda Popinski - 10,000
Bald Bull 2 - 7,000
Don Flamenco 2 - 5,000
Mr. Sandman - Can't win by decision
Super Macho Man - Can't win by decision
Mike Tyson - 5,000
So ignoring the fights where the referee always decides in the opponent's favor, it would be a total of 63,000 points.
@@anyth11ng_Lmao that’s 5 fights where Mario will announce an unfair judges decision. 4 more than a redditor’s braincell count
As requested, posting my guess blind before I see the fights, and here's my thought process:
You say a regular punch is 10 points, from previous videos we know it does 5 damage, and enemies have 96 HP, so if you regular punch an enemy 19 times, plus one more to deal 1 damage, you'll knock them down once. You get 1010 points for a knockdown and need 3 for a TKO, so that's 10 times 19 plus 1000 is , 1190, times 3 is 3570, so that's my guess for the lowest score on any fight that doesn't have a one hit knockdown. On those fights, it would just be 3030, and on the three fights that have a one hit KO (glass joe, piston 2, bull 2), just 1010.
So in total I'm guessing
1010 joe
3570 Kaiser, Piston 1, Don, Hippo
3030 Tiger
3030 Bull 1
1010 Piston 2
3750 Soda
1010 Bull 2
3750 Don 2
3750 Sandman
3750 Macho
3030 Tyson
For a total of 39090 being the minimum possible score. Let's see if I'm right!
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This guy's just like my dad
i go the milk@@gorillachronicles
Thanks for this awesome video bub!!!
This should be your category lol... Lowest scores biggest times.
Min KO points 14,140
Min TKO points 42,420
Guaranteed 1x KO's that I know of: Joe, Hippo, Honda 2.
So with all that said, my guess is around 37k'ish adding that most are not perfect KO's / TKO's balanced by not knowing all the KO's which of course saves a ton of points.
Watched, got decently close!
Spectacular work. I had no idea about the double hit mechanic, and this is just such a fascinating challenge.
That thumbnail goes so hard
I did some calculations while watching this video, and the calculated final score is 36,010. Btw, good job on explanations.
sus answer lol
Never trust an edited comment
I'm going for 16020. Hope i don't low ball it
I'm at Von Kaiser, and fuck me i lowballed it hard
Seeing a “Low Score” category could be exciting to watch
something neat about Don Flaminco 2... when he does a hook he has a very clear 'worried' face, I just thought that was a nice touch
Pap, love how you analyze the game in so many different ways. Always a pleasure watching your vids.
What a beautifully put together video! I love the music. Thank you for working hard :)
Idk, probably at least 6 or something. Feels hard to get much lower, maybe 5 with good rng
So into this exploration of game rules and math via TAS. Subbed!
I'm guessing 5000 points, because TAS is magic and I believe in the power of foreshadowing!
I like that reasoning.
Tony Hawk music makes an immediate impression the video is gonna be good :) Excellent music choices throughout! Made for some lovely dinner-time watching. Nice to hear some non-NA voices as well for a chance, the Oz cadence makes for a much more easy going watch!
Neko's bet is on Bowser crashing though the roof thinking Princess Peach is here and break the score counter on his way in
I'm a simple man, I hear Gundam Build Fighters music, I like the video.
Also great work, love the vid!
Way better title! Good job 👍 can't wait to watch this
Love the Spyro music to close out the video ♥️
Great video like always Pap❤
The next thing I’d like to see is a fewest knockouts run. Win every fight by decision except for the five that you have to win by KO.
This'd be interesting. Making sure I win as fast as possible but also meeting the requirements to win via decision.
So I have to beat glass joe as fast as possible, but also get atleast 5000 points.
INSTANT like and full watch just for using that THPS menu music at the beginning lol such an underrated groovy track
im betting on... somewhere between 15k and 20k points by the end 🤔
I never realized how much I needed punch-golf in my life.
I was gonna check this video out via the livestream, but couldn’t start watching until a little later. By that time, the video was on the start of the Von Kaiser fight. Glad I didn’t start on Glass Joe. It was too easy to figure out what his lowest score would be. Lol
My headcanon is that Mr. Sandman's real name is Sandra
Sandra Sandman?
great vid dude (as per usual)
Respect for using SC music. Epic.
I can’t bet I’m still trying to comprehend the face mike Tyson is giving me and I fear for my health and safety
Been looking forward to this.
I have never played this game, love these types of videos.
i love how glass joe and honda 1 are basically free while kaiser is a road block here
good video. I'm glad youtube recommended it.
Love it! Keep it up!
i just wanna say, i love how to go with the other boxers having their wii artwork, mike tyson just has a picture
Cool vid, Pap!
Late to the party as i am, I'm thinking 25,000.
Love this content, btw. I couldnt beat Bald Bull 1 if i tried myself but it's fun to see people absolutely tear this game apart. It's so interestingly made.
Edit: oh man I was so scared it was gonna be stuck at the 010 and I'm so glad you got lower, I'm really impressed with how this was pulled off
You mean to tell me I got halfway through the game as a kid?! Now I need to play again and beat it
I love the OCD triggers over 10 extra points
Excellent, appreciate all your hard work. Question from the chat - In a first frame double punch, what if both boxers would hit zero? I assume Mac goes down?
From what I know, they both go down, but Mac is counted off first.
Only little Mac goes down, even if the opponents health is reduced to 0. If you get up, the fight will resume with the opponent at 0 health - which is effectively 1 health since you need to land 1 more hit to knock him down.
@@Papamanualwhat is you get Mac back down to 1 health and perform yet another double hit?
Wtaf! I’m subbed AND have the bell on and somehow I’m 4 days late to the party. Oh well, new Pap video is a good time regardless of how late I find it
youtube screwing us over again :((( lol
Keep up the great content pap. Channel is criminally underated
This channel is just proof that you can get so much entertainment out of a single NES game, and relay that to so many people. Always here for it, and for the other stuff too like the medievil video.
Also knowing nothing about Punch-Out scores and pausing after the first 2 fights, imma throw my guess out and say 43,000. About 3k each average with a 4k on Tyson. Allow me to regret this comment about 20 minutes later when I see the real score be like... 15,000 or something.
Just got to bald bull and so far you are about right.
i just realized i was watching this for an HOUR
Already pretty invested in your video. I’d say 98,000 points
That thumbnail is heat 🔥🔥🔥
40:02 great music
Btw it'd be interesting to see a video all about double hits. I notice that Don Flamenco takes 5 damage from double hits. So, is it possible for Mac and Don to knock each other down at the same time?
Double knockdowns are impossible, the opponent will remain standing with 0 health.
Your content is so good and entertaining. As for guess 30,000
I'm going to guess around 38000 points after watching your video on the fewest punches required. I'm guessing it'll be somewhere around there because of the one hit KOs on some of the fights which is only 1010 points per fight. But I'm ready to be surprised
Damn, the tony hawk music really made the nostalgia hit lol
Great video!
But i have a question, when you say you rng manipulated the punches, you just pressed some random buttons until the rng changed or you did some other thing?
Yes, I press buttons right before an RNG event to change the outcome of the event, but not any preceding events. This is typically frame perfect stuff humans cannot do effectively.
5. Place don flamenco 2 with 3,250 points
4. Place von kaiser with 3,340 points
3. Place super macho man with 3,380 points
2. Place mr.sandman with 3,510 points
1. Place soda popinski with 3,520
I didn't expect von kaiser to be on thist list but im happy because von kaiser is my Favourite Punch out Character
You know, watching this for the first time (months after the fact), when you said that a knock down is 1,010 points, I was immediately like "Okay, so by default it cannot be any less than 14,140 points... but since most of the opponents can't be OHKO'd, it's definitely gonna be higher than that."
32:30 Ace Combat Zero music, absolutely wonderful!
Imagine going to a major boxing competition only to be made hop up and down over and over, trying to punch your opponent and be optimally knocked down by a 17 year old kid
Alright, well I'm a fan of the game for sure, but my memory isn't exactly fine tuned to speedrun level, so these estimates are probably off in all directions, but here's my first thoughts in generalizing each fighter:
I know that some fights can be won by decision while some can't, and I believe those scores need to be *at most* 10k. So, my first thought is that every fight is probably way under 10k points, but because we need knockdowns, they probably can't be any less than 3400 or so (barring a couple of OHKOs). So . . . per fight we're looking at maybe an average of 4000 points? I guess that puts my total at 56,000 points total, but just in case somebody follows that logic or just picks 56k by chance, Imma go a bit under, at 55,420 because I can.
(Note, I did edit this because I for some reason mixed up the 500 and 1010 despite Pap saying which was which. Ok NOW second edit will be at the end of the video)
See ya at the end of the video 👍
Alright, well, my guess weren't the worst, but I know where I went wrong. I overestimated how many punches the fighters could take (by a lot) and forgot a couple OHKDs. That said, I also overestimated the 3x OHKD fights thinking you needed a normal knockdown and greatly overestimated Sandman and Tyson in particular, as I sorta expected them to offset the OHKO fights. But hey, only about 60% high isn't terrible, so I'll take it.
Great video as always btw, love me a good challenge run
How about the question of: whats the Mike Tyson Punch Out run with the least RNG calls? As in if there are ways to remove "RNG calls" or skip RNG punches by the opponent. Whats the least Mike Tyson punch RNG run?
Thats sort of interesting i suppose. I would focus on lots of fights where winning as fast as possible is key (so like the TAS speedrun) but also focussing on maximum damage out put on a single section of fight without triggering other RNG events (random stars and patterns etc)
So dodge and countering Honda 1's uppercut and countering would be good since you get to counter like 10 times for a total of 32 damage. (Although basically all the uppercuts are random)
It would be difficult to figure out a definitive answer. I might look into it at some point, but most of the fights i think would be the same as the TAS speedrun.
Bro these videos fire 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😮😮😮i watch u to go to sleep now
I'm gonna guess 200,000
Glass Joe needing 5k is my guess that they range between 5k and 20k
“About that 1 ko I have, I’m about to make it 2” is the coolest line for any fighter to do and you gave it to FUCKING GLASS JOE lmao
Glass Joe is a badass
jk
I'd say around 80000 points, remember theres five fighters where its impossible to decision win
I lone the "It is time to release the bogus"
Gonna guess around 125k - 150k, closer to 125.
272622700 points?
Probably somewhere in the 40 thousand range? It's also entirely possible there's some crazy glitch I don't know about to reduce score, so I'll go with 20,000!
Pre-video guess: Minimum points is somewhere around 10,000.
Edit: I don't know where my head was at. Not even CLOSE.
My guess is you somehow glitch the game in negative points
I wish lol
Thank you algorithm, this was a delight.
I'm guessing... around e points
LBH, if anyone knows how to do this, its mPap.
This is beautiful.
Been watching paps for years
"Worst guess gets pinned"
Ok, that's just asking people to guess 69,420 or 9,999,999,999,999 points.
Don Flamenco can be optimized by doing the alternating punches, which can result in a 10 count, no?
my guess is 2 points or something. also isnt piston honda's banzai attack officially called the honda rush or is that only in punch out wii?
Since double hits damage both fighters... i wonder if you can get a double TKO?
A double TKO is impossible in all games. You can only trade in SNES and Wii.
@@craftyrobandicootproductio1424 ever try it? I'm wondering if there's any opponent it could be theoretically possible on. Then again, if you didn't have Mac get up, I wonder if you can double KO... LOL?
@@dethaddr Breakdown:
NES: Simultaneous hits can never occur
SNES: Both simultaneous hits and knockdowns can happen unless TKO.
Wii: Only simultaneous hits.
@@craftyrobandicootproductio1424 is that simultaneous can never occur or simultaneous knockdowns are hard-coded to never occur, because this video PROVES simultaneous hits CAN happen on NES. Might have had it happen once or twice in my youth, but never really paid attention to it until now.
@@dethaddr It never does damage. It does, however the sprite of damage taken by both sides
Let’s go release time!
Plz no laugh senpai papi i guess 69420 points.
three hundred and twelve duodecillian, factorial