APFG/VFC MCX Rattler GBBR Upgrade
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2023
- If there's one upgrade to make to the APFG Rattler then its the inner barrel, as promised in the review i have replaced the stock inner barrel with a 138mm Maple Leaf Crazy Jet, so lets see how much of an improvement it really is.
"Spoiler Alert, it is a massive improvement"
Please let me know if you like this type of content for future videos in the comments below!!!!
P.S. The audio is fine, CZcams AI said there's copywrite music in the background for the first 15 seconds so muted it Sorry!!!! "There Was Not"
Ooooh can't wait for the premiere, decided to order one based on your prev videos!
That's insane grouping for gas gun.
I would also change the bucking, singificantly more important than the barrel
Hi there, i didn't bother as its a good bucking but as time goes on and rounds put through i would consider it the next thing to upgrade!!!!
looks exactly like my b&t ghm9.
Great Video, I'm using it as a guide to upgrade my own rattler bucking. How did you get the outer barrel off, mine has thread locker that doesn't want to loosen with my heat gun. Thanks for all the great content, love all the GBB reviews, keep up the great work!
Hi there, Thanks for the comment. Apart from plenty of heat, make sure to remove the tiny grub screw holding the outer barrel in place and try rotation in both directions cw and ccw to loosen the glue. Hope that helps.
That is a very impressive improvement for sure. What the fps now? The one I have shoots almost too high for cqb fields here which has stopped me from getting any inner barrel upgrades
The inner barrel is 6.04mm but the same length so there wasn't any jule creep really. I have it steady at 310fps on .25s, so bang on the cqb limit here. The crazy jet in general dose not add much to the fps as the vortex created is at the last inch of the barrel.
I want this i unit 😊
Hello, thanks for the video! I know you said it is good for cqb, but do you think this would do well in outdoor play as well?
Hi there, it's totally capable of being used outdoors, but I do recommend an inner barrel swap to a tightbore.
Did you get some J gains as well with the barrel swap? Also is the stock inner really 6.4mm or 6.04?
Hi there, not really as the length is the same, its the vortex generated in the last inch of the barrel that stablizes the bb for greater accuracy. There is an npass in the nozzle so if it dose rise its just a small twist and its back under through summer etc..
The stock inner barrel is 6.04mm my friend, the crazy jet was as well but with better materials that are not prone to micro bending with the attachable supresser extention.
Full disent work 😅
Hi there, for the first 500 to 1k rounds, use semi auto only. The bucking is tight, and the nozzle under full auto won't be able to seal correctly. After that, do small bursts for a further 500 rounds, and it will settle down. Hope that helps.
Is that an air soft barrel?
Great, is that a 14CCW barrel?
I know you said everything you found on the barrel is metal, but does that include the hop bit of the hopup? I have heatgun ready to break the threadlock on the muzzle break, but yea... that hop bit is in the way. Wondering if I'll end up melting the hop bit before undoing the threadlock.
Hi there, as soon as the APFG Spear LT arrives, I will do a How To video short on the removal of a fresh flash hider. Should be posted just after Easter all being well.
Ohh, easter? that's pretty soon. Thanks then, I'll put aside the entire barrel changing until your video shows up.@@MiddleAgeGameruk
hello my friend, for information I have just tested the apfg rattler with the v3 vmag charger and it is ok
Hey Middle Aged Gamer. Great video, i did the exact same upgrade after seeing yours. Havent fielded gun yet but im finding its having trouble feeding because my nozzle and bucking are sticking after every shot (too much seal creating a suction effect).
Did you experience this? Any tips?
Hi there, with the rattler, I haven't had that issue. I left the bucking stock as it's not a bad bucking for cqb. The accuracy improvement comes from the crazy jet inner barrel, creating a vortex around the bb for the first few metres so the back spin of the bb can stabilze. With my mk18, I experienced the opposite where the bucking was so tight the nozzle could not enter and seal on full auto or burst fire. This problem worked its way out with semi auto use over the corse of 1k rounds or so as the bucking wore in. It sounds like that may be the case for you, too.
Sorry to bother with seemingly stupid question, but It would help a lot to get any info. As I'm aware you have both MPX and MCX. Can you fit the upper of MPX on MCX lower (would the pins align?) -> i know It wouldn't be much functional but have a special project in mind.
Hi there, there are no stupid questions, as per testing no you can't interchange the uppers with each other but you can put the rattler upper on a vfc 416 if you remove the buffertube and purchase the buffer adapter.
i have a bren 2 similar aswell 9inch in 7-62x39
Hey there, would you tell me if you got this through WGC, ive been looking at it for months but dont know who to trust, great vid.
Hi there, I got the mcx Rattler from action airsoft www.proactstore.com but at the moment I would say if your going to import it then wgc is the better option as all airsoft imports from Taiwan are taking months to clear customes. The reason is real steel guns coming in under airsoft declarations. Hope this helps.
Hey any idea if any MCX Handguard fits the Rattler? Would love to extend the whole system back and forth :D
Hi there, there is a huge selection of handguards but the basic rule is if it fits the real rattler then it will the apfg rattler. Midwest industries dose a 10" handguard for it.
Nice will defo do this. Do you know what barrel length you need if you want to incorporate the suppressor. Cheers for the effort. I love mine.
Hi there, the barrel length needed to incorporate the suppressor is appropriately 320mm. Its 138mm for the rifle plus aprox 185mm for the can. I would use a different type of barrel for that length, something like a 6.01mm precision barrel from mapleleaf or unicorn
@@MiddleAgeGameruk Thanks. Now to find 6.01 320mm. Google says no.
No problem, there is always a way, you could always go a little shorter and reuse the inner barrel spacer of the supresser. That way the barrel stays centred and secure.
Can I still use the Silencer with its Innerbarrel after the upgrade or do I have to remove the Innerbarrel from the silencer?
Hi there, if you switched the inner barrel on the rattler to a crazy jet or tight bore, then no, you should remove the suppressor inner barrel as I found I was getting barrel strikes. You can still get the fps boost by using the npass in the nozzle.
Thanks for the guide, I will put a Unicorn barrel on mine, I heard a lot of bad things about Crazy jet barrel, idk if it’s true
Hi there, unicorn make great inner barrels and a re a great option, Crazy Jet barrels are cool for GBBRs but do need to be the right length for the build, i chose to keep the original length of 138mm witch for the Rattler is right. if i do turn this into a Virtus then i would choose a different type of barrel for sure!!!!.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk why do Crazy jet barrels need to be the right lenght for the build?
Hi there, the main reason is the volume of gas traveling down the barrel looses its efficiency towards the end of the barrel where the gas is split off to create the vortex that stablizes the bb. Crazy jets are amazing and do work but after 10" its a diminishing return.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk great, thanks for the info. I'm about to change my vfc mp5 barrel for a shorter crazy jet, so this definetely helps
Any tips on how to remove the original qd muzzle? Don't want to rekt the paint and I can't figure out. Just apply force? 😀
Hi there, the flashhider/muzzle device is in two parts. The 3 prongs are clockwise to unthread and the suppressor securing nut is anti clockwise thread. You have to remove the 3 prong part first.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk aaaah thanks a lot!
I recently bought one of these APFG MCX Rattlers and I want to upgrade it to a 10" Virtus but have no idea where to start. Can you give me any advise on what inner barrel I should buy to replace it and any possible outer barrel extensions I can use?
Hi there, firstly, when looking for handguards, you need to find the ones designed for the rattler due to the dimensions with the mcx being different. A good place to look for airsoft ones is at wgcshop.com. as for inner barrels, with mine, I used crazy jet from mapleleaf, but I would not go beyond 9" as the effect of the crazy jet is drastically reduced with length. Outer barrels are just any 14mm ccw that suits you. Hope that helps.
Thanks, I'll check them out.@@MiddleAgeGameruk
Can you please show me how to load the magazine? I just got mine and I’m having to manually load the bbs and it KILLS my fingers. It’s so hard. It came with a speed load adapter but the bb slot is just so small, the bbs go flying everywhere when I try to press them into the mag. Can you please post a video??
Hi there, I will add a segment in the knights armament review as they use the same mags, hope that helps
@@MiddleAgeGameruk thank you!
The inner battle is it a pistol barrel? Can’t find that size for AR.
Hi there, the inner barrel is standard Tokyo Marui GBB spec. This spec is the same between rifles and pistols.
@MiddleAgeGameruk Just got my APFG MCX thinking change inner barrel crazy jet. should i go for std 138mm or 220mm? My target upgrade for my local field 380fps on 0.20g and great accuracy ? Need advice plz😉
Hi there, nice purchase of the Rattler 😊. The first thing to ask yourself self is are you going to run it always with its sig suppresor. If so then go with the length that gets you through the suppressor. Second, to achieve the fps, you can tune the nossle with the built-in npass. It takes a 1.5mm Alan key down the nossle to adjust. Hope that helps. P.s. don't go past 250 mm for a crazy jet, or you will not see good results they really work best any length up to 250mm.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk after change ML crazy jet inner barrel 138mm , can still use extender inner barrel in suppressor? by the way how much fps did you get after change inner barrel ML? 😀
Hi there, the only way to still use the inner barrel extension supresser and still get the crazy jet effect on the bb is to use the supresser without the extension inside. As for the fps increase, the original inner barrel is roughly the same length, so if you need to increase, just use a 1.5mm hex key down the nozzle, and that way, you can increase or decrease if needed. Hope that helps
Hey I'm also upgrading my Rattler, how do you remove the flash hider?
I heard its a two piece design i couldn't find any pictures or videos on how to do it
Hi there, the 3 prongs undo clockwise, and the base unlocks counter-clockwise
@@MiddleAgeGameruk ohh ok thought the flash hider itself was a literal two piece design hahaha
Flash hider CCW thread and barrel extension is CW got it thanks mate
Hi there, if you watch my rattler upgrade video, you can see how the flashhider is constructed.
Hi @middleagegameruk , any recommendations hop up rubber for gbbr ?. Currently im using standard hop up apfg ratter
Hi there, I am still using the stock bucking, too, but my goto has always been mapleleaf or tnt.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk hi , maple leaf which type and degree?
@@MiddleAgeGameruk currently my mcx having issue double tap 1st bb straight but second bb drop . some time shoot ok but some time over and under hop 🥲
Hi there, with the regards to the hop bucking, once you have gained access to it you will realise its just a standard autobot/decepticon spec that's been modified to remove the extra bit that holds it upright. With a gbbr, there's no need as the hop chamber does all that for you. As for what degree, we'll that depends on the bb weight you're using. I use .2s or .25s as I run CQB, so a 50 to 60 degree. Lastly, the bb issue you're seeing is a result of a mid range bucking made for .25s and up and everything being brand new. I had the same issue and can confirm it worked itself out with rounds down range. The first 500 on semi, then another 500 on burst before mag dumping it on full for another 500. Once the bolt had done its job and smoothed a path for itself and the nozzle had worn in the bucking entrance, everything will sort itself out
I have a double feeding issue and I’m not sure what’s going on. It’s completely stock.
Hi there, the double feed issues are down to one of two things, if the rattler is new you will find the bucking they use is manufactured a little on the tight side and so the nozzle won't seal correctly bouncing back enough to pick a second round loosely. This is easily fixed with semi auto use for the first 1.5k rounds, and slowly, it will wear in. Tou can always change the bucking to a mapleleaf or unicorn. The second issue could be that the feedlips of the mag are not tight enough to only let one bb free at a time, and that's just a feed lip switch. Either way, it's a relatively small cost part to chainge.
In my experience, Crazy Jets longer than 250mm do not perform as expected.
Hi there, Awesome information my friend! The one I fit to the Rattler in the video is 138mm the same length as the original. I do not plan on going longer with it as I plan on keeping this ideal for CQB.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk Then its a good inner barrel, I tested lots of them in different lengths and that is my conclusion: good till 250mm, longer than that... meh
I see you use a tracer unit - Is the muzzle thread simply 14mm CCW?
Hi there, yes, I use a tracer instead of the mock suppressor. The thread is 14mm ccw, but the muzzle brake/adapter is a 2 piece with the tri lugs being a cw thread and the main mount being 14mm ccw.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk thanks
@@MiddleAgeGameruk can the suppressor that came with the gun can it still fit with the updated inner barrel?
You can use the original suppressor. Just remove the internals of it. The power-up feature of the extended inner barrel is not needed as the nozzle has an npass inside to increase the fps. Leaving the inner barrel of the suppressor inside can cause barrel strikes.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk oooooh ok thx for the info
nice video, how i can fix the issues with the gun bit the gas route?
Thanks, whats exactly the problem?
@@MiddleAgeGameruk the gun bit my gas route in all my mags, i dont know how, but ive seen many issues with that
Hi there, are you talking about the the gas seal between the nozzle and the magazine? If so I'd check the nozzle for damage first and second when inserting the mag give the mag a pull just incase there is a bit of over insertion. A few mm of extra travel can alow for excessive wear. The last option would be to replace the gas seal with aftermarket ones and as an extra precaution id replace the nozzle too. I did hear that the loading arm part can scratch the seal as it travels over the mag to pick up a bb and push it into the chaimber.
@@MiddleAgeGameruk oh yes the gas seal sorry, you have that problem too or not?, some people shave a bit the nozzle arm but the issues persist
No, sorry my friend I have not had that issue, but from bit of information I can find changing out the seal on the mag to a more durable one may fix the issue. It seems there are many fixes but that seems to be the most popular one and relatively cheap to try with a mag.
What Maple leaf would you recommend? I‘m looking for my MPX and thought about a Flamingo
Hi there, for me, I went with the crazy jet inner barrel from maple leaf, and for bucking, I personally left the stock one in as it seems to lift .25s and .28s well, which is the site limit at Halo Mill. If you're happy with Flamingo, then go with it my friend. As an outside option, then unicorn make great bucking and barrels too
where can i buy it?
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Man whats the inner barrel length?
Hi there, the stock inner barrel for the rattler is 138mm to the muzzle
good to see they didnt use the MPX hopupdesign.. that is dogshit ^^