The New Teutons Deathball!
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- čas přidán 4. 03. 2020
- Okay, it's not that new, but it has been improved upon! We play against Vivi as Mongols on Arabia.
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11:00
Viper: "i dont queue deers because they might run away and end up being far when there's one close by"
Also Viper: *manually targets the deer that is running away when there's one standing still two tiles from the windmill*
that was a power move
It's cool to see a game like this at a high level. A lot of pros don't like the slower play style that's kind of campy or "cynical" but it's an interesting strategy and it seems like it can work sometimes. Well I mean what do I know but this game was a nice change of pace.
Viper, you could've garrisoned halbs in castles in many situations to get a lot of additional arrows
Can we just aprreciate how good this game looks
"Why not have both" ~ that girl from that ad.
Garrisoned infantry firing arrows from castles that have INSANE range plus free herbal medicine now is one of the coolest bonuses for Teutons.
0:30 Holy Roman Empire, the emperor of the Teutons even has its "Reichsapfel" at hand.
11:33 perfect bite !
The 2x heal distance was doing work for the defense in that game.
yes it´s combine perfect with the extra garrisoned units,crenelattions and iron clad tchnology, to let you have more range
every Chinese character == vivi
That's a lot of characters.
Name is kinda funny too.
My best attempt to translate those chinese characters: "being crappy is the original sin"
Imagine playing the Viper and all the sudden you see he has 15 monks. Pure terror.
I love the new Teutons
You surely love the new Teutons, Two Handed Swordsman.
Two handed swordsman, you are such a champion.
@@icecoldchilipreppers not quite yet, he needs more resources.
Love your name haha
They're barely different, they could still play like this before the patch and the armor didn't even matter in this matchup
Me a year ago: wow, even Spirit of the Law gets housed some times, maybe I can play online too one day.
Me now, watching this video: Wow, even The Viper gets housed some times, maybe I can be pro too one day.
"Casually eating apple while playing"
Depends on how you take it, but "The (New Teutons) Deathball" is an appropriate title
The Viper is eating an apple, I found a potato
Mobility has also its weakness, you said it in the title you can easily make a slow deathball and if your opponent goes for a counter attack you wreck him faster. In other words if the enemy has mobility force him to take a fight where being more mobile does not help him
This "slow, but powerful" vs "weak but mobile" matchup is absolute central to Star Craft theory. It's nice to see such a clear example of that in aoe as well.
Love those armored turtle knights.
37:03 the sounds from the university and the house back to back, sounds like the start of Californacation by Red Hot Chilli Peppers.
Yes!!
Lol
What's the song/melody at the beginning called ? It's quite nice.
Thank you.
Teuton trebuchet with the Armor Upgrade is very op when your opponent ist going for halbs
Do they get that or isn't it just siege workshop units?
yes they do
I absolutely despise those things. 150 HP, 5 melee armor and waaaaayyyy too much pierce armor ... they are so hard to kill without bombard cannons -or mongolian siege rams-
to put it into perspective, HOW unkillable those things are. It takes a fully upgraded hussar TWENTY-FIVE hits to take down a single teutons trebuchet...
I noticed he can zoom out a lot. Does he not play with the HD texture pack? I noticed when I enabled it you can't zoom out as much.
"lets go Teutons for that extra melee armor in infantry and siege". game vs archers with anti siege . FeelsBadMan. NIce game though
"when did i upgrade to siege onagers" hes so awesome he doesnt even know hes awesome lol
Teuton Objective Dark-Castle:
-Survive
Teuton Objective Imperial:
-Deus Vult
What are the new bonuses to teutons? Is it just the +1 melee armor for champions?
I hope to see teutons in HC3 at least once. I love the tower and castle bonuses. I want to see that +3 range on castles used effectively. Monks and siege push with towers and castles would be hype.
When you take notes on how to beat mongols but you play franks
teutons got a buff? halleluja. was about time.
Siege Onagers: "They see me rollin..."
Siege Onager: anyway I started shooting mangos.
Did scorpions receive a buff sometime in a DE edition patch? I see them widely used now, as opposed to HD or voobly back in the days
No, just some concept changes as tine passes
The general level of x-bow micro has improved so much that mangonels are no longer as strong a counter to archers, the general thinking is that it's often better to get the lower guaranteed damage from the scorpion than to invest twice as much resco into a mango that might not get any damage at all, especially when the role of the siege in this senario is to delay or push your opponent away from an area rather than needing secure kills.
@@matthewmcneany People will also add a scorp next to mango to damage the xbow as they dodge.
@@matthewmcneany thank you!
@@SSJ1Igor also khmer got a buff recently so poeple are playing them more. they have good scorpions
Maybe he could put heavy infantry in front of the Mangudai to deal with the mangonels, even if you see and try to move the pikemen in front he has some time to fire the mangonels with the Mangudai while the infantry engage.
How can i change the tiles? Because they look really bright now, last patch change them for me
Use the improved grid mod.
tea, toast, eggs, viper. Good Morning!
Maybe Teutons would be an option for maps with close spawns, or maps with more choke points for good monk/siege push.
It looks very slow, though.
congrets in getting WOLOLO. now you are the WOLOLO MASTA
Teutons new favorite civ confirmed?
The Teuton Slush
La tranquilidad ,sangre fría. Pocas fuerzas y en total desarrollo
Amaze how you always manage to do those comeback.
rodelero peltasta Every engagement was perfect, every single free jab with spears and pikes started the snowball. His only flaw was not walling enough, would have stopped the only chance Mongol had.
14:52
reads chat: "Pierce armor" means pierce armor.
This is obviously a game of fate-stay night.
Getting that gold up in the top left was key but it he’d walled the gaps in that left side we would have eliminated the Mongols’ mobility and forced them to fight him in the middle earlier and would have had 100% protected eco.
only viper can kill the absolute counter to teutons with teutons
"What?! When did I upgrade to siege onager? That's a pleasant surprise!"
Welcome to 420 for stoners.
Holy shit that was nice! good job snek
Wololo achievement POGGERS
"Slow push"... it's commonly referred to as "conflict of attrition".
Tueton death ball is so much fun.
I think tuetons need to use gates to lock up big bases into different compartments. otherwise raids just mess with them too much
Every time I watch you and hera I go away and smash people then when I come back to learn more I notice lots of different stuff. How do you patrol with sheep? Ty
Hold shift then right click any unit to queue up multiple orders.
Anyone know which part of Germany viper is from?
Ah yes, but can it stand against the infamous Protoss deathball?
35:32 *WOLOLO*
Couldn't our dear Mongol player go siege onagers too? Its not like Mongols has weak siege. Would have been very interesting to see that late late imp transition.
In a 1v1 the gold cost to get siege onagers is prohibitively expensive if you want to keep up Mangudai numbers (a necessity vs Teutons as you certainly don't want to fight them in mele with Hussars).
Simply researching the tech is already 1,500 gold plus 135 per SO and another 450 if you want drill. That puts 5 fully upgraded SO's at the same gold cost of over 40 Mangudai.
No gold
The melee armor helped against the light cavalry. Just sayin' ;)
I have lately been playing with Incas and using slingers a lot depending on the situation. Today defeated Teutons and Incas in a 2v2 with 600 kills and only 150 deaths
Teutons OP
Great Game
He needed his own SO to counter that
Nah, drill rams were the answer or borderline cheese siege tower with champions lmao
Lets see who we got!
*Chinese Characters*
Seems like Vivi/Vivi?/Is Vivi smurfing us?
if the enemy just made some siege, .....
35:42 best comment ever
Teutons are a very passive army. You camp and hope your enemy dont find a whole in your defence.
I like turtles
Of course a Viper does not like Teutons. They are more suited for Pythons, slowly but surely strangling their prey.
I think that Teutonic Knights should be able to build walls and towers. It's thematically fitting, and gives them something unique they can do rather than just being slower more population efficient champions.
Like your idea, it would give some additional options. Alternatively, how about, since they were a religious Order, giving them the option to convert? Although this might be OP and one would need to make them worse at that than normal monks, maybe by decreasing conversion range, increasing conversion time and/or making the converted unit lose HP in the process or something. Of course it would also be tricky to micro since you would need to choose between converting and attacking but it would be an interesting modification.
If I remember correctly, SOTL made a vid in which he said the devs were thinking about giving the Samurai two different fighting options (which is also quite an interesting idea and maybe could be something for more of the unique units).
@@f.c.laukhard3623 I've thought about that, making them combat monks, but I couldn't figure out any way it could work without being really overpowered. It's a great idea, just not, necessarily, one for Teutons.
Also, Teutonic Knights are uniquely suited to build towers. Firstly, TK's biggest weakness is archers. Towers counter archers. Normally it's a waste to garrison units in a tower though, except Teuton infantry can shoot arrows from inside towers, AND can heal via free herbal medicine. Normally infantry don't have enough health to realistically use herbal medicine before they die, but TK's are the tankiest infantry in the game. And Teutons can fit 10 of them instead of 5 inside a tower. TK's can't realistically run away from anything, but if they can build a tower, they can not only run away, be protected, and heal, they can still be part of the fight around the base of the tower *at the same time!*
Why can't you do this with villagers? Because TK's can't defend anything from archers, not even themselves. Trying an aggressive enough tower drop to be useful in a melee fight would just mean suicide for a few villagers and wasted stone for the towers. But TK's are something like 5 times tankier than a villager.
Simply by letting Teutonic Knights build towers you bring into synergy nearly every single part of their civ AND give TK's a reason to exist, all in a single move.
@@demiserofd Yes, you are right, I also thought it might be too OP and mostly brought it up because of the historic context. But then again we talk about a game where Chinese fight Aztecs in Arabia :D I like your idea quite a lot. When I read it I thought it possibly is OP as well because it is so great for the TK but after rethinking, it is probably OK since it would still be vulnerable when trebuchets are in the mix. So yeah, it might be working nicely.
@@demiserofd Is it possible that you are DemiserofD in the Age Forum?
@@f.c.laukhard3623 ;)
Why not going skirms with the halbs Viper?
W-wait, I thought mangudais were supposed to counter onagers '-' screw you viper lol
Heysa
Ya
Deesmara
Ya
What is this map called?
Arabia
Who are 'Toot-inns'?
this was a pretty easy matchup for Vivi, he should've gone for drill rams, have some charge into onagers and some into castles and have mangudai snipe the pikes and onagers
Yeah, I mean, it's not like he was playing against theviper
Easier said than done, also halbs are super cheap so viper can throw them away in front of the onagers to prevent rams from getting in close, and preserve as many onagers as possible. Not a cost effective fight for Vivi even if he does what you mentioned
@@dirkauditore8413 it was more cost effective than the hussars and trebs he threw away. He definitely could've picked most of the onagers with hussar ram.
Easier said than done? I guess we'll never know unless we see it actually happen but what I know is that mongols dont struggle against halb siege like most civs do because drill rams and mangudai
@@StraightEdgeNexus Now u adding hussar into the mix as well, you originally said mangudai and rams lol. But even then, halbs + iron clad onagers so Idk
@@dirkauditore8413 well I am obviously imagining the fight in my mind and thought adding hussars would help as a distraction too. I also think you're underestimating how resilient siege rams are especially with drill. I've seen onagers break formation when units get too close and attack their own. I know Viper uses the stop command a lot
newbie here , may i ask why people always build siege workshops on top of hills? Is there a hidden bonus?
EDIT: Thanks for the info, the aoe2 community is awesome
Hill bonus is +25% damage when shooting downhill. Units that shoot up a hill hit -25%. Helps to have mangonels be created on a hill for that bonus damage. Also they won't die from one mangonel hit from downhill.
Yeah, is a hidden bonus, so try yo attack from higher elevation,specially rabged
It is just so newly built onagers enter on the high ground so they can come out safer/in a stronger position. Mangudai get too close for instance when one comes out it gets a surprise shot for +25% and takes -25% from enemy units in return while you try to group it into your army or otherwise defend it.
Other reason is that siege workshop has more HP than most buildings so putting it on a hill gives it increased lasting power, it's just a little harder to destroy it without trebs or rams
Onagers are like Obi-Wan. They like having the High Ground.
I tend to go with skirmishers when I face mongols. Is there a reason you didn't go with skirmishers?
I thought cannons could counter this in a death match Franks against Teutons，but they all die after missing their very one first shot......
How do you fight a unit that's good against siege?
Well, with siege onagers, of course
Why does he fly back to town center so often?
wish i knew how to build farms that fast
hold shift while building one, to build more
A tech question guys: Is it possible to play DE on a mac?
Yes you only have to sell your mac and by a decent PC
@@gigatraudl6443 thx smartass, I have a top pc at home but I spend a significant amount of time abroad due to work and my company device is a macbook pro.
@@sygmaone Well in that case I'm afraid you'll have to quit your job
@@sygmaone the mac hate game is strong. but anyway i dont think u will be able to play DE smoothly even on lowest settings. I got a pretty powerful gaming laptop and it still struggle with medium settings in imperial age.
@@gigatraudl6443 but that wouldnt help you get a life ;)
CLICC MAN
every chinese is vivi 11
Teuton monks should move 10% faster when carrying relics
Monks has a tech to walk faster
w o l o l o
Seige Ownageers
Did the +1 bonus really have an impact here? I didn't really see it even used at all in this game. Feels like this could have happened just as easily before the change.
That is exactly what he said in the conclusion.
maybe the cheaper farms are what actually helped here
@@vincentrudolph5220 Ah right, I was skimming through and missed that bit.
No it really didnt at all. It wont have an impact most of the time. Late team games in halb wars it'll be huge and in those rare situations fighting goth spam but other than those two off the top of my head it probably wont matter much in the end.
Where is the vululu mod ?😑
tuetons have needed a buff for a while. hopfuly this is it.
Actually I think they were good before. They. New stuff is not game breaking but a nice cherry on top.
Teuton eco is just glorious and everything feels strong or impactful with em imo
Like health reg, paladin spam, high range castles, tanky siege, tanky castle defenders aka teutonic knights.
Sure they are slow but the options are nice and if you get on top of them it gets nasty
They're pretty average imo. Their farms are really good but they lack so many important techs.
@@stardustreverie9737 idk man, I used to think that way. But I'm fine with the options I have. My biggest issue was no scout upgrades and cav speed. But I just go scouts feudal with all upgrades and smooth into castle with power house eco and knight spam. Who cares about speed if you need to face my knight mass anyway. Halb siege monk s pretty dope to ofc as u see in this video
Towers can be good to
But what do I know :D im no pro for sure
What do you miss in the tech tree?
@@fluxbomb3376 Husbandry, Thumb-ring and Bracer are the biggest key techs to be missing. Lack of Light Cav will also hurt the late-game potential in Trash Wars. Lack of Gold Shaft mining means you're key units will be much slower to get out than the average Civ, and lack of Shipwright means you will be lacking in late-game water maps. All in all Teutons were considered weak by pros and the majority of the community before the patch. They definitely needed a buff, especially for their infantry since they are classified as an infantry civ with no bonus to it, now they do have one.
@@Blake5467 Yeh viper said in a video recently that he doesn't like Tuetons, this was before this buff, but still when the top player says that....well. i think they are one of the weaker civs. not having even access to light cav let alone hussar really hurts late game no gold raiding... i do like how they have recived the siege armour buff and now this infantry armour buff, both useful for sure and makes them outright better than original aoe Tuetons. i do like this civ but dont think they are that great.
What is wrong with all the horses...
monks are so op lol
Yeah but eat too much gold
Woololoo
Why no skirms?
Neither side would have benefited from them
11:33
Why does his scout look different????
That's what I want to know. It looks like the scout from the first Age of Empires.
Its because they changed the graphics of the scout in occasion of the aoe1 anniversary.
Building an extra mill on deer with teutons is not efficient i think
If you plan on farming there anyways it isn't a big deal though, teutons love their farms
This is the trouble with the pro scene sometimes. Not that I blame anyone for it, but I think some civs are never played not because they aren't good or have potential, but because pro players just don't prefer them. Personally, one of my favorite parts of AOE2 is seeing some of the less meta playstyles and less meta civs, like when Tatoh does crazy things with the Saracens, for example. I love tournament games, and I never get bored of them, but I love them even more when we have those Tatoh moments of non-meta craziness.
菜是原罪：Noob is a sin
Thanks for the spoiler alert TheViper. I'm systematically going through the HC3 playlist and i even unsubbed from aoe2 subbreddit temporarily
How are you selecting all your monks and converting multiple units at once with just a single click? I swear mine don't do that, do they? lol
he used different control groups for each monk if u noticed
at some points you see him pause and click around on the monks. That's when he sets up control groups, one for each monk. With some practice, you can quickly flick through every monk and have it attack a different unit.
This is still extremely micro intensive and the main reason monks are mainly used in castle age when armies are small.
@@Taeerom monks are underrated
He has each monk or two on a separate control group. So he does 1 Click 2 Click 3 Click etc really fast. Becomes much less practical over time as it takes so many control groups to do
The additional farm discount is actually fairly significant - 60 to 40 is a third off, but 40 to 36 is an additional 10% off, so your farms now are 10% less wood than they used to cost....too bad they have terrible scout line. Really surprisd he didn't build onagers of his own to take advantage of the faster/superior mongol siege
Yep, maybe too costly
teuton scouts are really not that bad as people make them be. They are fully upgraded (save husb), and trade better vs archers than korean hussars and a couple others. lol
Nice steamroll :)
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